Was Jesus Poor?

[Hekuran]

I don't see how the Deuteronomy passages prove that Jesus was never poor.

The Bible does not say that anyone who is poor is cursed. Mary and Joseph were poor - they could not afford a full sacrifice at Jesus' birth. Nobody would argue that they were cursed.

Why these logical twists and jumps to say that Jesus was not poor?

 

[Born Again 2004]

Thanks for the reply, though I have to say I'm not much clearer on what the issue is here. Every bit of evidence or reference to wealth I can think of indicates that Jesus had very little in the way of material wealth or possessions.

Worldly, Jesus the man, yes! Spiritually, Jesus the God, no!

 

[Hekuran]

Yes, I think the scope of this discussion is material wealth only.

 

[Curtis]

I don't see how the Deuteronomy passages prove that Jesus was never poor.

The Bible does not say that anyone who is poor is cursed. Mary and Joseph were poor - they could not afford a full sacrifice at Jesus' birth. Nobody would argue that they were cursed.

Why these logical twists and jumps to say that Jesus was not poor?

Deu 28:48 you will serve your enemies whom the LORD will send against you. You will be left hungry, thirsty, naked, and lacking in everything. The LORD will put an iron yoke on your neck, oppressing you harshly until He has

This is part of the "curse" of the law. Would you call someone who is lacking in everything poor?

 

[Curtis]

Yes, I think the scope of this discussion is material wealth only.

Gal 3:13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”—
Gal 3:14 so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.

Under the New Covenant, Abraham's blessing belongs to us! The blessing of Abraham is threefold in nature: spiritual, physical, and material. In Deuteronomy we see the material and financial blessings we now have in Christ.

 

[Curtis]

Mary and Joseph were poor - they could not afford a full sacrifice at Jesus' birth.

Um, I wonder what they did with all that "gold" that was given to them?

Mat 2:11 And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh.

 

[Born Again 2004]

es, I think the scope of this discussion is material wealth only.

That IS my whole point! When referring to Jesus having wealth or not, material and spiritual can not be separated. As humans, hopefully true Christian, no matter how rich or poor in this life ( fleeting not lasting), makes no difference because our true wealth is spiritually and stored up in heaven ( for ever). Jesus the man can not be separated from Jesus the God!
God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth." John 4:24

 

[Hekuran]

Sorry, I still don't see how the curses of the law have any bearing on the question of Jesus' poverty or otherwise.

 

[Born Again 2004]

Sorry, I still don't see how the curses of the law have any bearing on the question of Jesus' poverty or otherwise.

Hmm!, OK.....I didn't say this!

 

[Curtis]

Sorry, I still don't see how the curses of the law have any bearing on the question of Jesus' poverty or otherwise.

This is so easy to understand. Jesus lived under the law, so he was either cursed or not cursed based on whether he kept all the commandments of God. Which one do you think he did? There is no such a thing as someone being neutral. you are either under a curse, or not.

 

[Curtis]

Sorry, I still don't see how the curses of the law have any bearing on the question of Jesus' poverty or otherwise.

Sorry, I can not help you there. I can not believe for you!!

 

[Hekuran]

Ok i see where you are coming from. Jesus kept all the commandments of the law.

But the passage in Deuteronomy is clearly a community command. The choice Moses offered was for the whole nation, not to individuals.

Trying to judge a person's favour before God by their material wealth is fraught with difficulties.

All the evidence is that Jesus had very little worldly wealth.

 

[Born Again 2004]

Ok i see where you are coming from. Jesus kept all the commandments of the law.

But the passage in Deuteronomy is clearly a community command. The choice Moses offered was for the whole nation, not to individuals.

Trying to judge a person's favour before God by their material wealth is fraught with difficulties.

All the evidence is that Jesus had very little worldly wealth.

The key word here is worldly . Jesus the man had little worth $$$, but, Jesus the God, had wealth beyond measurement by mortal man!

 

[Curtis]

But the passage in Deuteronomy is clearly a community command. The choice Moses offered was for the whole nation, not to individuals.

The Law encompassed not only a nation corporately, but individual people separately, because a nation is made up of individual people. The curse of the law is still active today on those who do not know about it or believe it. Obviously, no one can believe in something they don't know about!! Not only was Israel the name of a person, but also a nation. Jesus is known as Israel a individual person.

Mat 2:15 And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.

Hos 11:1 When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt.
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[KingJ]

Was Jesus Poor?

Not to single you out, but Curtis, I really hate all this rich vs poor discussion as it is not that simple. It is humility vs vanity.

Earthly wealth vs none was not ever an issue for Jesus. The focus was / is on humility. Scripture is crystal clear on that Luke 9:48 For it is the one who is least among you all who is the greatest. God is the greatest and has everything He desires, yet and 'therefore' He makes Himself the least.

Humility is not poverty. Laziness is, Prov 10:4 Being lazy will make you poor, but hard work will make you rich. Jesus was not lazy.

That is all there is to say on the subject. I really hate the way scriptures on manipulated to say more then this. It gets peoples hopes up in a carnal manner. Completely distracting one from what really matters, humility / better to give then to receive.

 

[Curtis]

Not to single you out, but Curtis, I really hate all this rich vs poor discussion as it is not that simple. It is humility vs vanity.

Earthly wealth vs none was not ever an issue for Jesus. The focus was / is on humility. Scripture is crystal clear on that Luke 9:48 For it is the one who is least among you all who is the greatest. God is the greatest and has everything He desires, yet and 'therefore' He makes Himself the least.

Humility is not poverty. Laziness is, Prov 10:4 Being lazy will make you poor, but hard work will make you rich. Jesus was not lazy.

That is all there is to say on the subject. I really hate the way scriptures on manipulated to say more then this. It gets peoples hopes up in a carnal manner. Completely distracting one from what really matters, humility / better to give then to receive.

Nobody is trying to make scripture say something it is not, we simple read what it says and believe it. Prosperity has nothing to do with how rich a person is or how much money you have, it has to do whether you have all your needs met spiritually, physically, and materially, that is true prosperity.

 

[Dave M]

Luke 14:33

"So then, none of you can be My disciple who does not give up all his own possessions.

There is no doubt Jesus and his disciplines had few if any earthly material things !!! in today terms that makes them materialistically poor, there simply is no arguing this point. Yes they were rich beyond measure spiritual which is much more important.

 

[Curtis]

Luke 14:33

"So then, none of you can be My disciple who does not give up all his own possessions.

There is no doubt Jesus and his disciplines had few if any earthly material things !!! in today terms that makes them materialistically poor, there simply is no arguing this point. Yes they were rich beyond measure spiritual which is much more important.

2Peter 1:3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

I wonder what these things are that pertain to life that have already been given to us?

 

[Curtis]

"So then, none of you can be My disciple who does not give up all his own possessions.

What did Jesus say would happen if you give things away?

 

[Curtis]

"So then, none of you can be My disciple who does not give up all his own possessions.

Mar 10:28 Peter began to say to him, “See, we have left everything and followed you.”
Mar 10:29 Jesus said, “Truly, I say to you, there is no one who has left house or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or lands, for my sake and for the gospel,
Mar 10:30 who will not receive a hundredfold now in this time, houses and brothers and sisters and mothers and children and lands, with persecutions, and in the age to come eternal life.

When did Jesus say that every one who leaves every thing would receive a hundred times MORE???? IN THIS LIFE!!!!!!