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Loyal
Was Jesus Poor?

Jesus was NEVER poor, oh, I take that back, Jesus was poor at one time, and that was on the cross!!!

Isa 53:4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
Isa 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: THE CHASTISEMENT OF OUR PEACE WAS UPON HIM; and with his stripes we are healed.

See the word, "PEACE", it means, "welfare, that is, health, PROSPERITY, peace" When did Jesus become poor so that we would have abundant prosperity?

2 Cor 8:9 For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet FOR YOUR SAKES HE BECAME POOR, THAT YE THROUGH HIS POVERTY MIGHT BE RICH.

Jesus became poor on the cross for us, but he was NEVER EVER poor himself in his earthly life!!!!!!!

On the Cross, Jesus took our poverty to provide us the riches of His grace. He became poor that we might be rich, which means abundant provision!

When did Jesus take on sin, sickness, the curse, and poverty? On the Cross! He did this so we could receive health, righteousness, blessing, and prosperity. He took the punishment that belonged to us so that we could receive the blessings that belong to Him.

How would you like to provide food for 12 Apostles, and most likely their families to? No need to have a "TREASURER" if they were poor. Poor people begged at the gates of the cities. Jesus never begged for anything, or any of his Apostles. Jesus had many "MINISTRY PARTNERS" covering all his costs. Sounds like a pretty good business to me.

Luke 8:1 Soon afterward Jesus began a tour of the nearby towns and villages, preaching and announcing the Good News about the Kingdom of God. He took His twelve disciples with Him,
Luke 8:2 along with some women who had been cured of evil spirits and diseases. Among them were Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons;
Luke 8:3 JOANNA, THE WIFE OF CHUZA, HEROD'S BUSINESS MANAGER; SUSANNA; AND MANY OTHERS WHO WERE CONTRIBUTING FROM THEIR OWN RESOURCES TO SUPPORT JESUS AND HIS DISCIPLES. (NLT)

Do poor people have their own home? Did Jesus have a home?

Matt 4:12 When Jesus heard that John had been put in prison, he went back to Galilee.
Matt 4:13 He left Nazareth and MADE HIS HOME IN CAPERNAUM on the shores of the Sea of Galilee. This was in the region of Zebulun and Naphtali.

Matt 2:1 And when he returned to Capernaum after some days, IT WAS REPORTED THAT HE WAS AT HOME.

If someone does not have a home, how can it be reported that Jesus was at home?

When Jesus said "BLESSED ARE THE POOR", (Matt 5:3) it was NOT because they were poor that they were blessed, but that they didn't have to be poor anymore!!! Being poor is a part of the “curse” of the law, which Jesus redeemed us from!

Jesus was not lavishly rich, neither was he poor. He had everything needed to accomplish his Father will on earth. He did have enough to give to the poor as was his usual custom. The cloths he wore when he was crucified were high enough quality that the roman solders through lots to see who would get them instead of tossing them aside. The "prosperity" preachers today have taken prosperity to mean something else other than what it was intended for. Having all your needs met whether physical or spiritual for your mission on earth is prosperity. You can take any teaching from the Bible and take them to extreme which is never a good thing
 
Loyal
yet where was he born?
Luke 2:1-20


Yet when he died they could not even afford to have a proper grave.
Matthew 27:57-61

Yet when his taxes was due, he used a miracle to pay it.
Matthew 17:27 However, we don't want to offend them, so go down to the lake and throw in a line. Open the mouth of the first fish you catch, and you will find a large silver coin. Take it and pay the tax for both of us."

Yet he had no home to lay his head.
Matthew 8:20
And Jesus said to him, “Foxes have holes, and birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man has nowhere to lay his head.

Christ and His disciples depended entirely on the hospitality of others as they ministered from town to town (Matthew 10:9–10). As Jesus told a would-be follower “Foxes have holes and birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man has no place to lay His head” (Luke 9:58).

It is unfortunate, then, that this false teaching about Christ’s wealth and its concomitant “gospel of greed” has gained a foothold in churches today. As Solomon aptly taught, however, “There is nothing new under the sun” (Ecclesiastes 1:9), for we can see that Paul addressed similar matters in his own churches: “Watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them. For such people are not serving our Lord Christ, but their own appetites. By smooth talk and flattery they deceive the minds of naïve people” (Romans 16:17–18

Was Jesus rich/wealthy?
 
Loyal
Yet when he died they could not even afford to have a proper grave.
It was not that Jesus could not afford a burial place, but he was buried in a rich man's grave according to prophecy.

Isa 53:9 He had done no wrong and had never deceived anyone. But He was buried like a criminal; He was put in a rich man's grave. (NLT)

Yet he had no home to lay his head.
Jesus was constantly on the move going from town to town, so most of the time he either stayed at someones home, or out in the open along with his Apostles. Jesus did have a home, but he was not there most of the time.
 
Active
Interesting thought. By most human standards he was poor but as the Son of Man, he was / is the richest of all!
Though it is hard to see the forest for the trees , we are human and have deep weaknesses and, we can't even begin to understand the riches that are stored up for the believer in heaven!
 
Loyal
2 Corinthians 8:9
You know the generous grace of our Lord Jesus Christ. Though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, so that by his poverty he could make you rich
 
Loyal
2 Corinthians 8:9
You know the generous grace of our Lord Jesus Christ. Though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, so that by his poverty he could make you rich
The question is "when" did Jesus become "poor"?

Isa 53:4 Surely He has borne our griefs (sicknesses, weaknesses, and distresses) and carried our sorrows and pains [of punishment], yet we [ignorantly] considered Him stricken, smitten, and afflicted by God [as if with leprosy]. [Mat_8:17]
Isa 53:5 But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our guilt and iniquities; the chastisement [needful to obtain] peace and well-being for us was upon Him, and with the stripes [that wounded] Him we are healed and made whole.

See the word, "peace" look it up in the Hebrew, and see what it means. It means, "well, happy, friendly; also (abstractly) welfare, that is, health, prosperity," When did Jesus become poor so we could have health, and prosperity?
It was when he was crucified on the cross.

Was Jesus being "chastised" to obtain our well being , "bruised" for our guilt, and was the sin of mankind laid upon him before he went to the cross?
 
Loyal
you said
Jesus was NEVER poor

the bible says
he became poor
This is exactly what I said.....

Jesus was NEVER poor, oh, I take that back, Jesus was poor at one time, and that was on the cross!!!
 
Active
The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth. John i:14

Interesting discussion; I think everyone is right. Jesus the man became poor...Jesus the God always remains perfect. The perfect lamb and the perfect sacrifice, so we can't boast in ourselves and the devil can't beat perfection.
 
Loyal
Matt 8:20; Jesus *said to him, "The foxes have holes and the birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man has nowhere to lay His head."
Luke 9:58; And Jesus said to him, "The foxes have holes and the birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man has nowhere to lay His head."

I think He may have gotten paid for being a carpenter. But after this time, did He still receive money?

Luke 2:24; and to offer a sacrifice according to what was said in the Law of the Lord, "A PAIR OF TURTLEDOVES OR TWO YOUNG PIGEONS."

I notice Mary offered up Pigeons/Turledoves for her purification after she birthed Jesus. This was done "if you can not afford a lamb".
Lev 12:7; 'Then he shall offer it before the LORD and make atonement for her, and she shall be cleansed from the flow of her blood. This is the law for her who bears a child, whether a male or a female.
Lev 12:8; 'But if she cannot afford a lamb, then she shall take two turtledoves or two young pigeons, the one for a burnt offering and the other for a sin offering; and the priest shall make atonement for her, and she will be clean.'"

Yet it seems He was buried as a rich man.

Isa 53:9; His grave was assigned with wicked men, Yet He was with a rich man in His death, Because He had done no violence, Nor was there any deceit in His mouth.

Matt 27:57; When it was evening, there came a rich man from Arimathea, named Joseph, who himself had also become a disciple of Jesus.
Matt 27:58; This man went to Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus. Then Pilate ordered it to be given to him.
Matt 27:59; And Joseph took the body and wrapped it in a clean linen cloth,
Matt 27:60; and laid it in his own new tomb, which he had hewn out in the rock; and he rolled a large stone against the entrance of the tomb and went away.

Was Jesus poor? Was He rich? I'm not sure it really matters.
 
Loyal
Sadly, however, there are many prosperity preachers today who would like you to believe that Jesus was rich while here on earth and that God wants nothing more than to lavish His children with an abundance of material blessings. After all, a rich Jesus would certainly make it easier for them to persuade their flock that God wants them to be rich, too. However, a materially rich Jesus Christ is utterly incompatible with biblical truth. Even a cursory examination of the Bible should dispel any notion of our Savior’s being wealthy in an earthly sense. During His public ministry, Christ and His disciples depended entirely on the hospitality of others as they ministered from town to town (Matthew 10:9–10). As Jesus told a would-be follower “Foxes have holes and birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man has no place to lay His head” (Luke 9:58).
Was Jesus rich/wealthy?
 
Loyal
It makes no difference where Jesus's money, or anything else that he needed for his life came from, as God is not a "counterfeiter". When the scriptures say "give and it shall be given unto you pressed down shaken together and over flowing shall men give unto your bosom", notice how God provides our needs, it is from men that he causes these things to come. Prosperity is having all of your needs met, lacking nothing. A person who is poor, and has nothing would call that being rich!!
 
Loyal
2 Cor 8:9; For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though He was rich, yet for your sake He became poor, so that you through His poverty might become rich.

Jesus gave up being rich in heaven, to come to earth.. to be born in a manger.
 
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@Curtis this seems an odd discussion. The evidence you offer to show that jesus was not poor does not strike me as very convincing. May I ask why you posted it and what you wanted readers to get from it?
 
Loyal
@Curtis this seems an odd discussion. The evidence you offer to show that jesus was not poor does not strike me as very convincing. May I ask why you posted it and what you wanted readers to get from it?
That's easy. If you read Deuteronomy chapter 28 you find out that any one who did not do what was contained in the law in doing ALL of God's commandments was under a curse. Poverty is a curse of the law!!! Jesus never lived under any curse while living his normal life, But, when Jesus was on the cross he became a curse for us, as it is written...."Gal 3:13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”—
 
Active
Thanks for the reply, though I have to say I'm not much clearer on what the issue is here. Every bit of evidence or reference to wealth I can think of indicates that Jesus had very little in the way of material wealth or possessions.
 
Loyal
Because Jesus redeemed us from the "curse of the law" these blessing come upon us.

Deu 28:3 Blessed shalt thou be in the city, and blessed shalt thou be in the field.
Deu 28:4 Blessed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy ground, and the fruit of thy cattle, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep.
Deu 28:5 Blessed shall be thy basket and thy store.
Deu 28:6 Blessed shalt thou be when thou comest in, and blessed shalt thou be when thou goest out.
Deu 28:8 The LORD shall command the blessing upon thee in thy storehouses, and in all that thou settest thine hand unto; and he shall bless thee in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
 
Loyal
Here are the curses Jesus redeemed us from. Can you find anything good in these? You can probably find many that you have experience in your life before coming to Jesus for salvation.

Deu 28:15 "But if you refuse to listen to the LORD your God and do not obey all the commands and decrees I am giving you today, all these curses will come and overwhelm you:
Deu 28:16 Your towns and your fields will be cursed.
Deu 28:17 Your fruit baskets and breadboards will be cursed.
Deu 28:18 Your children and your crops will be cursed. The offspring of your herds and flocks will be cursed.
Deu 28:19 Wherever you go and whatever you do, you will be cursed.
Deu 28:20 "The LORD Himself will send on you curses, confusion, and frustration in everything you do, until at last you are completely destroyed for doing evil and abandoning Me.
Deu 28:21 The LORD will afflict you with diseases until none of you are left in the land you are about to enter and occupy.
Deu 28:22 The LORD will strike you with wasting diseases, fever, and inflammation, with scorching heat and drought, and with blight and mildew. These disasters will pursue you until you die.
Deu 28:23 The skies above will be as unyielding as bronze, and the earth beneath will be as hard as iron.
Deu 28:24 The LORD will change the rain that falls on your land into powder, and dust will pour down from the sky until you are destroyed.
Deu 28:25 "The LORD will cause you to be defeated by your enemies. You will attack your enemies from one direction, but you will scatter from them in seven! You will be an object of horror to all the kingdoms of the earth.
Deu 28:26 Your corpses will be food for all the scavenging birds and wild animals, and no one will be there to chase them away.
Deu 28:27 "The LORD will afflict you with the boils of Egypt and with tumors, scurvy, and the itch, from which you cannot be cured.
Deu 28:28 The LORD will strike you with madness, blindness, and panic.
Deu 28:29 You will grope around in broad daylight like a blind person groping in the darkness, but you will not find your way. You will be oppressed and robbed continually, and no one will come to save you.
Deu 28:30 "You will be engaged to a woman, but another man will sleep with her. You will build a house, but someone else will live in it. You will plant a vineyard, but you will never enjoy its fruit.
Deu 28:31 Your ox will be butchered before your eyes, but you will not eat a single bite of the meat. Your donkey will be taken from you, never to be returned. Your sheep and goats will be given to your enemies, and no one will be there to help you.
Deu 28:32 You will watch as your sons and daughters are taken away as slaves. Your heart will break for them, but you won't be able to help them.
Deu 28:33 A foreign nation you have never heard about will eat the crops you worked so hard to grow. You will suffer under constant oppression and harsh treatment.
Deu 28:34 You will go mad because of all the tragedy you see around you.
Deu 28:35 The LORD will cover your knees and legs with incurable boils. In fact, you will be covered from head to foot.
Deu 28:36 "The LORD will exile you and your king to a nation unknown to you and your ancestors. There in exile you will worship gods of wood and stone!
Deu 28:37 You will become an object of horror, ridicule, and mockery among all the nations to which the LORD sends you.
Deu 28:38 "You will plant much but harvest little, for locusts will eat your crops.
Deu 28:39 You will plant vineyards and care for them, but you will not drink the wine or eat the grapes, for worms will destroy the vines.
Deu 28:40 You will grow olive trees throughout your land, but you will never use the olive oil, for the fruit will drop before it ripens.
Deu 28:41 You will have sons and daughters, but you will lose them, for they will be led away into captivity.
Deu 28:42 Swarms of insects will destroy your trees and crops.
Deu 28:43 "The foreigners living among you will become stronger and stronger, while you become weaker and weaker.
Deu 28:44 They will lend money to you, but you will not lend to them. They will be the head, and you will be the tail!
Deu 28:45 "If you refuse to listen to the LORD your God and to obey the commands and decrees He has given you, all these curses will pursue and overtake you until you are destroyed.
Deu 28:46 These horrors will serve as a sign and warning among you and your descendants forever.
Deu 28:47 If you do not serve the LORD your God with joy and enthusiasm for the abundant benefits you have received,
Deu 28:48 you will serve your enemies whom the LORD will send against you. You will be left hungry, thirsty, naked, and lacking in everything. The LORD will put an iron yoke on your neck, oppressing you harshly until He has destroyed you.
Deu 28:49 "The LORD will bring a distant nation against you from the end of the earth, and it will swoop down on you like a vulture. It is a nation whose language you do not understand,
Deu 28:50 a fierce and heartless nation that shows no respect for the old and no pity for the young.
Deu 28:51 Its armies will devour your livestock and crops, and you will be destroyed. They will leave you no grain, new wine, olive oil, calves, or lambs, and you will starve to death.
Deu 28:52 They will attack your cities until all the fortified walls in your land—the walls you trusted to protect you—are knocked down. They will attack all the towns in the land the LORD your God has given you.
Deu 28:53 "The siege and terrible distress of the enemy's attack will be so severe that you will eat the flesh of your own sons and daughters, whom the LORD your God has given you.
Deu 28:54 The most tenderhearted man among you will have no compassion for his own brother, his beloved wife, and his surviving children.
Deu 28:55 He will refuse to share with them the flesh he is devouring—the flesh of one of his own children—because he has nothing else to eat during the siege and terrible distress that your enemy will inflict on all your towns.
Deu 28:56 The most tender and delicate woman among you—so delicate she would not so much as touch the ground with her foot—will be selfish toward the husband she loves and toward her own son or daughter.
Deu 28:57 She will hide from them the afterbirth and the new baby she has borne, so that she herself can secretly eat them. She will have nothing else to eat during the siege and terrible distress that your enemy will inflict on all your towns.
Deu 28:58 "If you refuse to obey all the words of instruction that are written in this book, and if you do not fear the glorious and awesome name of the LORD your God,
Deu 28:59 then the LORD will overwhelm you and your children with indescribable plagues. These plagues will be intense and without relief, making you miserable and unbearably sick.
Deu 28:60 He will afflict you with all the diseases of Egypt that you feared so much, and you will have no relief.
Deu 28:61 The LORD will afflict you with every sickness and plague there is, even those not mentioned in this Book of Instruction, until you are destroyed.
Deu 28:62 Though you become as numerous as the stars in the sky, few of you will be left because you would not listen to the LORD your God.
Deu 28:63 "Just as the LORD has found great pleasure in causing you to prosper and multiply, the LORD will find pleasure in destroying you. You will be torn from the land you are about to enter and occupy.
Deu 28:64 For the LORD will scatter you among all the nations from one end of the earth to the other. There you will worship foreign gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, gods made of wood and stone!
Deu 28:65 There among those nations you will find no peace or place to rest. And the LORD will cause your heart to tremble, your eyesight to fail, and your soul to despair.
Deu 28:66 Your life will constantly hang in the balance. You will live night and day in fear, unsure if you will survive.
Deu 28:67 In the morning you will say, 'If only it were night!' And in the evening you will say, 'If only it were morning!' For you will be terrified by the awful horrors you see around you.
Deu 28:68 Then the LORD will send you back to Egypt in ships, to a destination I promised you would never see again. There you will offer to sell yourselves to your enemies as slaves, but no one will buy you."
 
Loyal
Poverty is a curse of the law!!!
Just curious if you have scripture for this?

"Gal 3:13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”—
I guess I would ask.. "what was the curse of the law?" Having to obey it? Or was the curse "death" because we could not obey it?
 
Loyal
Just curious if you have scripture for this?



I guess I would ask.. "what was the curse of the law?" Having to obey it? Or was the curse "death" because we could not obey it?
The curse was the results of man not keeping all of the commandments of God. All men were guilty of this, as it it is written, " ...for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified..." (Gal 2:16)
 

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