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If God is all powerful and loving, why is there suffering in the world?

Loyal
I would like to dig more into this. I know that some events were not caused by God. I'm confused as to why he allowed them to happen. They wouldn't have happened if he didn't want it to.
Thank you. Same to you.
Sounds good to me. It has been a very long two days so I am not even going to try and write things tonight but I will bring some stuff to the table soon. Looking forward to the fellowship with you.
Have a very wonderful day
James
 
Loyal
I would bet my soul on it. One must go by the spirit of God's words or the words decreases in value. Faith without works is dead.
This has nothing to do with what you first said and I replied to. So you are willing to bet or gamble with your mind - will and emotions ? Best to be quiet with that kind of talk for you may get taken up on that and then you have a lot of rooting out to do then.
Blessings
 
Member
This has nothing to do with what you first said and I replied to. So you are willing to bet or gamble with your mind - will and emotions ? Best to be quiet with that kind of talk for you may get taken up on that and then you have a lot of rooting out to do then.
Blessings

I am that secure in God's will in my life.........and He wants me to spread the word of security of the believes.
 
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God doesn't even need a "litmus test." He already knows who will be with him in heaven. How am I suppose to understand things if I'm to "be quiet"? Plus, you have absolutely no idea what I'm going through. Who said it was my fault?

Yes, He does need a litmus test. Do you really believer it's that easy to get into heaven.....? "Narrows is the gate and few who enters."
As far as not know what you are going through..........."There is no sin unknown to Man." I have been through A LOT in my 66 years. I can match and raise any thing you are going though now.

Sometimes I just have to quote scripture. It's where God's final wisdom is found. I usually don't do that.
 
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Yes, He does need a litmus test. Do you really believer it's that easy to get into heaven.....? "Narrows is the gate and few who enters."
As far as not know what you are going through..........."There is no sin unknown to Man." I have been through A LOT in my 66 years. I can match and raise any thing you are going though now.

Sometimes I just have to quote scripture. It's where God's final wisdom is found. I usually don't do that.
Yes, He does need a litmus test. Do you really believer it's that easy to get into heaven.....? "Narrows is the gate and few who enters."
As far as not know what you are going through..........."There is no sin unknown to Man." I have been through A LOT in my 66 years. I can match and raise any thing you are going though now.

Sometimes I just have to quote scripture. It's where God's final wisdom is found. I usually don't do that.
“He who overcomes will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out his name from the book of life, but will acknowledge his name before my Father and his angels” (Revelation 3:5). He already knows who will be with him. The first record of the Book of Life was in Moses' time. The fact that you think God doesn't already have things figured out is...sad.
Ephesians 2:8-9 ESV / 25 helpful votes
"For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast." There is no possible way for us to save our selves through good deeds.
As for what we've gone through, there is no way to measure which went through more. Each person can only handle so much. Just because you've had 66 years does necessarily not mean you know more/have been through more. A teacher can learn things from students.
 
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“He who overcomes will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out his name from the book of life, but will acknowledge his name before my Father and his angels” (Revelation 3:5). He already knows who will be with him. The first record of the Book of Life was in Moses' time. The fact that you think God doesn't already have things figured out is...sad.
Ephesians 2:8-9 ESV / 25 helpful votes
"For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast." There is no possible way for us to save our selves through good deeds.
As for what we've gone through, there is no way to measure which went through more. Each person can only handle so much. Just because you've had 66 years does necessarily not mean you know more/have been through more. A teacher can learn things from students.


That's right!
 
Loyal
I am that secure in God's will in my life.........and He wants me to spread the word of security of the believes.
Gods will is the same for every single born again person. His will is His word and ways. He also has a plan for each of our lives but we must be diligent in searching this plan out.
 
Loyal
“He who overcomes will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out his name from the book of life, but will acknowledge his name before my Father and his angels” (Revelation 3:5). He already knows who will be with him. The first record of the Book of Life was in Moses' time. The fact that you think God doesn't already have things figured out is...sad.
Ephesians 2:8-9 ESV / 25 helpful votes
"For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast." There is no possible way for us to save our selves through good deeds.
As for what we've gone through, there is no way to measure which went through more. Each person can only handle so much. Just because you've had 66 years does necessarily not mean you know more/have been through more. A teacher can learn things from students.
Narrows is the gate and few who enters." This does not say God has any kind of test to weed out any one. This scripture is referring to the fact that the road to hell or life with out Him or another words living in this world as the world does is wide and easy - BUT - His way or road is narrow and if you are not looking ot paying attention you will miss it and many will refuse to walk this road for the love of sin and life as the world knows it.
 
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I would like to dig more into this. I know that some events were not caused by God. I'm confused as to why he allowed them to happen. They wouldn't have happened if he didn't want it to.
Thank you. Same to you.

I'm kind of in the same boat. Let me know what you come up with
 
Loyal
There are many answers to this question.

First of all it's because we have freedom of choice.
God knew what would happen if Adam and Eve ate the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
He told them not to do it.... yet they did it anyway.

It's been happening ever since then. There are many things we know God doesn't want us to do... yet we do them anyway.
1. Sometimes bad things happen to us because of our decisions. God doesn't always "cause" these things to happen. But He
"allows" them to happen, in order for us to see the consequences of some decisions.

2. Sometimes we are tested. Even Jesus was tempted by Satan.
Even our work will be tested... 1 Cor 3:13;
Our obedience is tested 2 Cor 2:9;
We are supposed to test ourselves. 2 Cor 13:5-6;
We are suppose to test people before giving them administrative positions in the church. 1 Tim 3:10; Rev 2:2;
Our faith will be tested Heb 11:17; James 1:3; 1 Pet 1:7; 1 Pet 4:12; Rev 2:10;

Note: we can't really tested when things are going great and life is happy and good.

3. Sometimes bad things happen to teach us things. Jonah 4:6-9;
God knew Pharaoh would harden his heart, but yet he told Moses not to back down.
As a result of this, God parted the red sea, fed them manna, destroyed the Egyptians, and led them
to the promised land. Much of this was to teach them to trust God. Unfortunately many of them failed.

4. Sometimes trials build us up. James 1:2-3; 1 Pet 1:6-7;
This builds our faith, our perseverance, our character and our testimony.

5. Sometimes God himself allows us to be tested. Job 1:8-12; Job 2:3-7;
God himself doesn't always do this. In the case of Job, he allowed Satan to do it.
This also happened to Peter ( Luke 22:31; )

6. Sometimes bad things happen to us because of other peoples decisions.
Hitler had 7 million Jews murdered during world war II. People who love their spouses get divorced
because their spouse divorces them. Soldiers die in wars. Christians are killed because of their faith.

7. Sometimes we are in the wrong place at the wrong time. God/the Angels told Lot and his family
to flee from Sodom and Gomorrah, and not to even look back. ( Gen 19:12-13; Gen 19:17; )
and yet Lot's wife looked back. ( Gen 19:26; )
I don't think it was necessarily God's intention for her to die this way, but sometimes we need to
get out of His way, once He has told us what He is going to do.

I personally don't think anyone will be in heaven that hasn't had their faith tested.
Without going through some trials, we can never really have a testimony.
 
Loyal
@Ellie and @PreciousQueen

Ok so like lets eat and eat and eat of His word and lets dig into this thing.
For starters I want to log a few things here as an appetizer.

Truth or Myths to be sought out.
God is in control of everything
If it happens then it must be Gods will
God made me sick to humble me or teach me
If God allowed it then He has good reasons

I will say this at this point - all above are myths and not at all of God
Something to think about for now.

If God is in control of everything - then if you ate ceral or donuts this morning was Gods choice for after all God is in control of everything.

Tornado came and swept through the trailor park and sent that little inocent baby to the next county to be killed. So God is in the baby killing business. Must be if He is in control of everything.

There is a lot of evil in this world today - is this right that God is in control of everything ?
Bad things happen to good people so God must have His reasons to allow it.

If these type of things are what is haunting you or nagging at you then you might just want to stick around and find out the truth and set things right.

Let me know if you are still wanting to do this............I know I am !! ;)
Blessings
James
 
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Still do
@Ellie and @PreciousQueen

Ok so like lets eat and eat and eat of His word and lets dig into this thing.
For starters I want to log a few things here as an appetizer.

Truth or Myths to be sought out.
God is in control of everything
If it happens then it must be Gods will
God made me sick to humble me or teach me
If God allowed it then He has good reasons

I will say this at this point - all above are myths and not at all of God
Something to think about for now.

If God is in control of everything - then if you ate ceral or donuts this morning was Gods choice for after all God is in control of everything.

Tornado came and swept through the trailor park and sent that little inocent baby to the next county to be killed. So God is in the baby killing business. Must be if He is in control of everything.

There is a lot of evil in this world today - is this right that God is in control of everything ?
Bad things happen to good people so God must have His reasons to allow it.

If these type of things are what is haunting you or nagging at you then you might just want to stick around and find out the truth and set things right.

Let me know if you are still wanting to do this............I know I am !! ;)
Blessings
James
 
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    1. The question of stopping evil means that if God is to stop evil, then He must stop all evil. This means that the murderer must be stopped along with the thief. But it also means that thinking evil, which is in rebellion against God, must also be stopped as well; that is, if all evil is to be stopped. Therefore, for God to stop evil and suffering may very well mean that He must remove the ability for people to freely choose what they want to do. So, if God is going to stop evil, is He required to stop all of it or just some of it? If only some of it, then the question would still stand. If He stops all of it, would we be free?
You imply here that free will ultimately rests upon choices between good and evil? We can all choose between vanilla or chocolate ice-cream and never consider the option of stealing the ice-cream regardless. We shouldn't assume God's reasoning for allowing evil, but free will (in my opinion) isn't one of them.
 
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Let me know if you are still wanting to do this............I know I am !! ;)
Blessings

Very much so! I am here to grow, not stay where I am. I can (and am) learning a lot on my own....but always nice to have others thoughts on some things that I just am spinning my wheels on.
 
Loyal
Very much so! I am here to grow, not stay where I am. I can (and am) learning a lot on my own....but always nice to have others thoughts on some things that I just am spinning my wheels on.
You imply here that free will ultimately rests upon choices between good and evil? We can all choose between vanilla or chocolate ice-cream and never consider the option of stealing the ice-cream regardless. We shouldn't assume God's reasoning for allowing evil, but free will (in my opinion) isn't one of them.
Very true we should NOT assume anything about God or what God does or does not do. Everything about our salvation has to do with a choice.
 
Loyal
I know this is long and yet I did not even dig as deep into this as I wanted to. It will have to be broken down into sections in order that we may dig into this together from this point forward. I skipped around and tried to cover a little in many area's so as to bring forth truth into the light.

Greetings in the name of Christ Jesus our Lord,
In this post I am going to present some true biblical facts that some will most definitely disagree with for many reasons and with that said I want to say this - Do NOT simply accept what others say or what I say for that matter but take all this to God and pray His word over it and ask Him to lead you into all truth in this. As scripture tells us - "My People perish from lack of knowledge so if you have ears - let them hear.

Why do tragedies happen and bad things to good people and why do some folks seem to get more favor from God then others. These seem to be the questions asked and I pray the gift of repentance unto all that claim God sends things bad things to teach people and God must have a reason for allowing bad things in your life.

You may say why do I need to repent over this ? Well when you grasp that you are accusing God falsely of doing these things - well you might just want to ask Him to forgive you.

Lets start in Genesis - The first Adam Disobeyed God and by doing so allowed sin and the curse into this world. Therefore it will always be here in this world. The worlds system or Babylonian system is simply the way of the world. It is FOUL and evil and YET we as Born again believer do not have to get FOULED with the FOUL.

So lets look at Lets first look in Deuteronomy 30:10-20 KJV
10.....is telling us if we will keep His commandments and walk in His ways and turn to or trust in the Lord thy God with all of your heart and soul.
11-13...is stating that this commandment which He is giving us this day is NOT hidden from thee, nor do you have to go up to heaven to bring it down to hear it nor is it beyond the sea that you have to go get it.

Now 14 is where it gets GOOD !! ; )
14.....But thy word is very NIGH unto thee, In Thy Mouth, and in Thy Heart that thou mayest do it.
His word has been placed all around you. Media and books and churches and Bibles so there is no excuse not to know it.
This is telling us especially for today that His word needs to be in our minds, our hearts and mouth. Why mouth ? Because speaking Gods words bring God results...He is moved by His word and when He is moved by His word He see's to it that it is carried out. BUT it must be DONE IN FAITH !!

Here we go now
15.....SEE I HAVE SET BEFORE THEE THIS DAY LIFE AND GOOD AND DEATH AND EVIL.
16.....In that I COMMAND thee THIS DAY to LOVE the Lord thy God, TO WALK in His Ways, and to KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS and His STATUTES and His JUDGMENTS that THOU MAYEST LIVE And Multiply and thee Lord thy God Shall BLESS Thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it.

So in these two verses we see several key things.
1...God gives US the CHOICE TO CHOOSE Life and Blessing or Death and Cursing or evil. We choose....Not God BUT we choose...
2...Now in verse 16 we see that GOD is telling us Pick His Way. He says IF YOU CHOOSE TO WALK MY WAY FOLLOW MY COMMAND.....this good life will be yours....
3...So in this Good Life we find several things....First we must make the choice to choose this life....Second which is just as important.....We MUST Choose To Walk This Life His Way Every Single Day Of Our Life in Order to stay in The Good Life of Blessing and protection and every other good thing that is included in Thee Blessing Of Thee Lord.

Ok now lets see how this is done and why some live more blessed then others.

When we are born again we become new creatures in Christ for we are born of Incorruptible seed the ever living word of God.
2 Corinthians 5:17 and 1Peter 1:23

Hebrews 6:12 tells us we inherit the Promises of God and this is done through being born again into Christ.

Now these promises simply do NOT just start working in your life. These promises wont manifest their desired results unless you are operating as His written word tells us to. Many Christians think since they got born again then that is all they have to do and now they can claim and expect every promise of God to manifest in their lives and they have to do nothing. That is a religious lie and you know who is behind that one.

Ok lets look at Psalm 115:16 The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD'S: but the earth hath he given to the children of men.

Now look at this scripture.... Heaven is the Lords or another words God is in TOTAL CONTROL in Heaven. We know there is no sickness or crime or evil and so forth in Heaven.

Now look at the earth - this world is full of evil and crime and disasters and so forth. Look what scriptures says - the earth has been given to men or children of men which means it just keeps on staying this way. Now this does not say God can NOT do things in this earth.

Remember God gives us a choice found above in Deut. Choose His way life and blessing or any other way and get stuck in this worlds system with the evil and death and sickness and so forth. WE CHOOSE.

We know satan is god of this world or rather world system or ways or again the babylonian system. he is in the center of all these disasters and bad. God does not hire out satan to do His bidding in our lives therefore disasters and sickness trials and persecution and so forth are NOT from God.

Ok so we also learned in Deut. 30:16 God tells us to walk in His ways - Keep His ways - dont sway away from His ways and you will walk in His goodness. His written word is full of scriptures telling us this over and over and over.

Why? Because God is trying to tell us if you want to live as I have prepared for you then you will have to live MY WAY which is simply what His word is therefore. To teach us and EQUIP us to do so. Don't ever over look this word (equip) for it is vital in living and dwelling in the kingdom of God. For it can not be done any other way. You are going to have to learn how to live, walk, talk, think and so forth His way. How is this done ? Easy these next three pieces of scripture out line just how we do so.

Galatians 5:16 and Romans 12:2 and 2 Corinthians 10:4-5

Romans 12:2 ....
And be not conformed to this world; but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind that ye may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God

((Get His word in you each and every day and speak His word each and every day))

2 Corinthians 10:4-5
4... For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to pulling down strong holds
5... Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ.

((Begin to practice the words you speak and thoughts you think for our thoughts and words to control how we act or react and believe. Our own words do more do influence our thinking then most of everything else.))

Galatians 5:16
This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh

(( The more you do the first two the more you will begin to walk in the Spirit and you will be amazed to say the least. ))

All done through the Grace of God - who maketh all grace abound to me.
(2 Corinthians 9:8)

Ok still not seeing this yet..... ;)

Lets look at
James 4:8 Draw nigh (near close) unto God and He will draw nigh (near close) unto you.
Ephesians 4:7 But unto EVERYONE of us is given GRACE (unmerited favor) ACCORDING to the MEASURE of the gift of Christ.

If you put forth 10 percent of your heart to drawing close to God then you will reap 10 percent of God in your life. The degree that we put forth is with in the same degree we will get back.

Look at Ephesians 4:7 - we can read it as - all of us are given unmerited favor in our lives and for our lives ACCORDING to the amount, degree, change or spiritual growth of Gods Word In Us.

This explains why some folks seem to be favored more over others. Don't ever judge your walk in Christ by the appearance of some one else or their statue in God. Many people think others are so Godly or close with God and in all truth are lacking in area's of their life that goes un-seen to others.

So again we see that it is vital to be walking upright in the ways of God in order to see victory and a blessed protected life. Now I have not said we must be perfect in order for God to work on our behalf. God is perfect already and is not looking for perfection but obedience. He is looking for a Willing Heart.

We can be willing and do the best we can in something He has shown us to do and miss it 12 ways to sunday - so we run to grace and God gives us the credit for doing the job even if He has to call some one else in to fix it. He will reward you for your obedience and trying. Now then we Can NOT however simply pick and choose what we are willing to change in us or accept from Him to change. NO! We must STRIVE to be changed from the inside out from the day of our re-birth unto - well forever.

Now lets look at a few things that will stop the flow of favor and blessings and prayers and so forth. I call these type of things blessing blocker.

Doubt and unbelief and UN forgiveness and not walking in love and corrupt communication and so many more.

We are commanded to walk in Love and it pleases God when we do
You can not walk in love and harbor unforgiveness. We are told to Love Evan As Christ Loves and Even as God Loves.

Corrupt communication or perverse speech and so forth is not just bad words as websters dictionary may tell you. No it goes way beyond this for anything OPPOSED to His written word or ways is perverse. Doubt and unbelief is opposed to what His word says.

Now when we get out in these things we actually give the devil right to come into the situation and set up shop and begin to kill, steal or destroy. Now he has a shot at you that he should not have ever had. People like to argue over this from lack of understanding but if you are willing to search His written word with a willing heart to learn even if it ends up being not what you thought or believed then you will come to learn that His written word has something to say about "Our Words". This is vital in living a prosperous life in Christ.

This is only an out line of truth that is found in His word dealing with these things. I wrote this as an eye opener and would enjoy digging even deeper into this and spending more time on truths found in His word.

May God Bless you with a deeper understanding in His word and a hunger to learn more and more of His truth in His word and ways. In Jesus name I pray.
Amen and God Bless
James
 
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Awesome start. Will give me something to look at this weekend while I am hibernating
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Lets start in Genesis - The first Adam Disobeyed God and by doing so allowed sin and the curse into this world. Therefore it will always be here in this world. The worlds system or Babylonian system is simply the way of the world. It is FOUL and evil and YET we as Born again believer do not have to get FOULED with the FOUL.

So lets look at Lets first look in Deuteronomy 30:10-20 KJV
10.....is telling us if we will keep His commandments and walk in His ways and turn to or trust in the Lord thy God with all of your heart and soul.
11-13...is stating that this commandment which He is giving us this day is NOT hidden from thee, nor do you have to go up to heaven to bring it down to hear it nor is it beyond the sea that you have to go get it.

Now 14 is where it gets GOOD !! ; )
14.....But thy word is very NIGH unto thee, In Thy Mouth, and in Thy Heart that thou mayest do it.
His word has been placed all around you. Media and books and churches and Bibles so there is no excuse not to know it.
This is telling us especially for today that His word needs to be in our minds, our hearts and mouth. Why mouth ? Because speaking Gods words bring God results...He is moved by His word and when He is moved by His word He see's to it that it is carried out. BUT it must be DONE IN FAITH !!

Here we go now
15.....SEE I HAVE SET BEFORE THEE THIS DAY LIFE AND GOOD AND DEATH AND EVIL.
16.....In that I COMMAND thee THIS DAY to LOVE the Lord thy God, TO WALK in His Ways, and to KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS and His STATUTES and His JUDGMENTS that THOU MAYEST LIVE And Multiply and thee Lord thy God Shall BLESS Thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it.


Thanks James. There is a lot of thought in this.... I am through this first part, and chewing on it a bit ...but can't get past a little piece. I'm bringing it here cuz I honestly do not understand how it can tie into us today. In Deuteronomy, it is Moses talking to the israelites right? And well, they were under the law .....so isn't using this as comparable to us today as born again believers a bit out of context? I mean, we are to follow God's ways...but we have been saved with the knowledge that we'll never be able to follow the LAW perfectly.... that is why we needed God's Grace and Jesus.

How do I take this in context and apply it here?

If I am too "new" to all this...and you and PreciousQueen would like to continue and I am asking too basic of a question ....with all honesty it would not bother me. I don't want you guys to have to go on a more basic level than you want to. Just let me know ok?

Peace,
Ellie
 
Loyal
Awesome start. Will give me something to look at this weekend while I am hibernating



Thanks James. There is a lot of thought in this.... I am through this first part, and chewing on it a bit ...but can't get past a little piece. I'm bringing it here cuz I honestly do not understand how it can tie into us today. In Deuteronomy, it is Moses talking to the israelites right? And well, they were under the law .....so isn't using this as comparable to us today as born again believers a bit out of context? I mean, we are to follow God's ways...but we have been saved with the knowledge that we'll never be able to follow the LAW perfectly.... that is why we needed God's Grace and Jesus.

How do I take this in context and apply it here?

If I am too "new" to all this...and you and PreciousQueen would like to continue and I am asking too basic of a question ....with all honesty it would not bother me. I don't want you guys to have to go on a more basic level than you want to. Just let me know ok?

Peace,
Ellie
Hello Ellie,
First of all I want to say as this continues on - well you will be right there in the middle of it. Second is simply this....I thank you so very much for asking the question or any other questions about anything I or any one else says. This is how we learn and can become motivated to seek God for His truth in anything. As I said before, Please do not accept my words or anay ones words in these forums with out seeking God about them. ;)

Now then your question is a very "Good Question" at that so I will do my best to bring you an answer that may help you understand what I am showing you.

Fist Ellie I want to clear a little area up with you and any one else that may be wondering this as well.
There is the law of moses and the other 600 pluss jewish laws that we have been set free from.
THEN there is Gods Laws or Kingdom Laws that we must learn as we work out our salvation.
Example - There is the Law of Faith and the Law of Love and so forth. Any time in Gods written word we find He is telling us we must do something a certain way (His way) this is kingdom law or a law of God.
Once we learn these laws we can learn how to put them into being in our lives through obedience.

There fore the old law is dead and thrown out - the ripping of the curtain in the temple was a "sign" of the new covenant taking effect and the old destroyed.

God said - I have commanded you today to LOVE the Lord your God and to "KEEP" His Commands, laws and regulations "By Walking in His Ways"

God spoke this "ONCE" and had it recorded and He has no need to keep saying it in the New Tesament. This is the begining of becoming a new creature in Christ. Making a choice to accept God and His ways or accepting any other way. KInd of like God putting you on the spot - Which way is it gonna be here child..... ;)

Now then Ellie even though we are set free form the old law(s) there now are New Tesament Laws.
Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength,
Love your neighbor and forgiving and faith and so forth are kingdom laws or How We Are To Opperate Once we get born again and over in the kingdom of God.
Kingdom of God - Gods way of doing things.

L.O.L When you get right down to it - no matter what we read in Gods written word it was being spoken to some one.

I will stop here for now. I do not want to throw too much your way and have it become burdensome.
Keep asking questions and if this does not help then let me know and I will write some more.
Thank you for replying and asking and Thank YOU for wanting Gods Truth in your heart. You are awesome.
Remember Ellie - YOu areBlessed and Highly Favored of the Lord
James
 
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