Flying creeping things with four feet

[Dovegiven]

Actually faith is the confidence to believe all things, believers just hope, but faith searches and makes inquiry of the truth, examine the facts, tests the evidence and to proves all things. As written, 2 Cor 13:5, faith without works is dead, being alone. If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable. 1 Cor 15:19

Faith is the end of hope. Faith doesn't require evidence to believe. Unbelievers and doubters require evidence. Faith is had upon realizing that which is hoped for is in our possession already, without having evidence of it as proof to the world. By faith I already have Christ in me, but I can't display him to anyone. I have only the fruit of the spirit to show for him, which is foolishness to the world.

 

[judge not]

All insects? While I am sure you mean flying insects since in Leviticus 11:41 it is written "And every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth shall be an abomination; it shall not be eaten." The only insects that the Torah stated could be eaten where those written in Leviticus 11:20 "Yet these may ye eat of every flying creeping thing that goeth upon all four, which have legs above their feet, to leap withal upon the earth;" 23 But all other flying creeping things, which have four feet, shall be an abomination unto you.

If I recall correctly, in Genesis 2:9, it is written "out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil. "And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it. Genesis 2:15
And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: Genesis 2:16 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. Genesis 2:17 So how would one distinguish between the tree of life and the tree of knowledge of good and evil?

In Leviticus 11:21 it says "Even these of them ye may eat; the locust after his kind, and the bald locust after his kind, and the beetle after his kind, and the grasshopper after his kind." However, you say crickets, yet do not list the beetle as being edible. Since the term cricket was not originally used but is a interpretation of the translation, what precept do you use to determine that which has legs above their feet, just presume? All I am suggesting is that faith is more than simply believing, if the LORD said we should not eat of those things, then if they can be consumed without any ill effect to the one eating them then what reason was the dietary law given?

In Leviticus 11:20, it is written that all fowls that creep, going upon all four, shall be an abomination unto you. So is a fowl a winged insect? I know of at least one Biblical version [ESV] it which replaces the term 'fowls' with 'winged insect'. So then all are all winged insects going upon all four an abomination?

Speaking of fowls, if all fowls were created on day five as written in Genesis 1:20, then how is it written in Genesis 2:19, And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof. And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.


So if the LORD God formed every fowl of the air out of the ground, which one might construe as being the dry land called Earth from Genesis 1:10, then how is it written that the waters brought forth moving creature that hath life, including the fowl that may fly above the earth as written in Genesis 1:20.

I think you will find God does not list every animal that is acceptable to eat or not to eat.
Instead He gives us some examples along with the guidelines ( e.g.-whatsoever have fins and scales) for us to follow.
Gen 2:19 is just reiterating in general what happened on day 5 in the creation week-the main issue is the naming of animals.
In Genesis 3, we see free will given to the first human beings.
Enter Satan who distorts God's order by telling Eve
God said you shall not eat of every tree of the garden
But God said You are free to eat of any tree
Adam and Eve determined for themselves what tree was good and evil by violating God's warning and falling prey to satan's deception.
the two trees remain a figurative representation of the choices we have between right and wrong.-our human nature.

 

[WaterRock]

Simply, all insects, with the exception of locusts, crickets, and grasshoppers, are listed as unclean

And every creeping thing that flieth is unclean unto you: they shall not be eaten. Deut 14:19 Just as soon as one thinks they have it then boom, that scripture overlooked or unseen,.
This is why faith requires one to search and make inquiry on the matter, even then one has to examine, test and prove all things that when asked be ready to give answer for the hope you have.

I think you will find God does not list every animal that is acceptable to eat or not to eat.
Instead He gives us some examples along with the guidelines ( e.g.-whatsoever have fins and scales) for us to follow.

If not mistaken, that is what referred unto as a principle since the precepts as you gave as an example applies unilaterally. However, in regard to Deut 14:19, since it states every creep thing that fly unclean unto you and in such should not shall not be eaten. Then discerning between whether that scripture applies to the Leviticus 11 passage is where I will stop since you are no longer any to God's everlasting laws in the OT,
But one of the interesting things found was the flesh eating flying insect that actually kills and eats the flesh of reptiles and rodents, It was an interesting study.

In Genesis 3, we see free will given to the first human beings.
Enter Satan who distorts God's order by telling Eve God said you shall not eat of every tree of the garden
But God said You are free to eat of any tree

Enter Satan?

Do you follow Jesus? I personally hold to the principle of the LORD in the Torah pretty which Jesus
even demonstrated when in NT.

So I take it you are referring unto the serpent in Genesis. The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil. Prov 16:4 However do you recall how the LORD in Exodus Ex 4:2 And the LORD said unto him, What is that in thine hand? And he said, A rod. Now keep you eyes on the rod if you want to learn where it came from. So in Ex 4:3 3 And he said, Cast it on the ground. And he cast it on the ground, and it became a serpent; and Moses fled from before it.

<>Enter Satan who distorts God's order by telling Eve God said you shall not eat of every tree of the garden But God said You are free to eat of any tree<>
You lost me there, don't know what you are trying to say[?] almost like God said you are free to eat of any tree and the serpent said God said you shall not eat of tree.

Not sure how you came to the conclusion that the woman the serpent spoke to in Genesis 2 was named Eve. But trust me the female's name wasn't Eve. But since the Bible is the most read and least examined book in history it is interesting that despite it's long history of being interpreted wrong yet having the appearance of being right. but as written in the Word, man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of the LORD.

1 So the serpent said Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? Is that what you heard, that God said, ye shall not eat. From the writings I would say that it appears that is a faithful statement to what is written that God did say. Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden.
2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: Isn't that what the Jesus said to the man he made in Genesis 2?
3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. That is the tree that they were could eat of. However, I am sure there will be some that will disagree, so with it being written that the LORD God commanded of the man, Gen 2:16 Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: 17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
So if they did eat of the tree which the LORD God commanded them not too, then as the scripture indicates, the man didn't die on the day he ate thereof. So of course since it wasn't a physical death then it must have been a spiritual death, but the body with the spirit is dead. yet they live 900+ years after.
4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: Did either one of them die?
5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. Since God is a Spirit, man being born of the Spirit, then as Jesus said that he that is born of the Spirit is spirit, so they where spirits As written in 1 Cor 14:1; Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.
6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. That they may be as frontlets between your eyes and bind them for a sign upon your hand, Deut 11:18
7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.
Life can be a cold dark place somethings. Gen 3:8 And they heard the voice of the Jesus walking in the garden in the cool of the day: Now some will probably dispute that it was Jesus but some other LORD God. But remember what was written in John 20:28 , even John 8:25

Adam and Eve determined for themselves what tree was good and evil by violating God's warning and falling prey to satan's deception.
the two trees remain a figurative representation of the choices we have between right and wrong.-our human nature.

Some say the Book is the new tree of knowledge of good and evil.
It is kinda like the passages in Isaiah 29:11-13

 

[Travis]

Not sure how you came to the conclusion that the woman the serpent spoke to in Genesis 2 was named Eve. But trust me the female's name wasn't Eve.

Who was this woman who ate the fruit of the tree?

 

[WaterRock]

Who was this woman who ate the fruit of the tree?

Adam's wife

 

[Travis]

Adam's wife

O, his first one or something? What's her name?

 

[WaterRock]

Who was this woman who ate the fruit of the tree?

Adam's wife

O, his first one or something? What's her name?

Since you asked the first question and I answered truthfully, which I hope you will not say was a lie, then could I ask the same of you?

 

[Travis]

Since you asked the first question and I answered truthfully, which I hope you will not say was a lie, then could I ask the same of you?

I think I'm lost again. Was that an answer to my question?

What would you ask of me though?

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings,

excuse me please for butting in (it's a sheep thing!),
but does the Scripture say she was Adam's wife?

And please excuse my ignorance (that's a me thing!)
but are the critters in the original post inserts or are they some other?

Bless you ....><>

 

[WaterRock]

Greetings,

excuse me please for butting in (it's a sheep thing!),
but does the Scripture say she was Adam's wife?

And please excuse my ignorance (that's a me thing!)
but are the critters in the original post inserts or are they some other?

Bless you ....><>

Gen 3:9-10
9 And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?
Gen 3:17
17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying,Thou shalt not eat of it:

 

[judge not]

Gen 3:9-10
9 And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?
Gen 3:17
17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying,Thou shalt not eat of it:

And Adam called his wife's name EVE because she was the mother of all living.Gen 3:20

 

[WaterRock]

And Adam called his wife's name EVE because she was the mother of all living.Gen 3:20

And that was after they ate of the tree . The question was what was the name of the female who ate the fruit.

 

[WaterRock]

I think I'm lost again. Was that an answer to my question?

You had asked, Who was this woman who ate the fruit of the tree?
I replied Adam's wife.
Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
Gen 3:17
17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife,

[QUOTE="Travis, post: 256745, member: 29137]What would you ask of me though?

If you believe in Rom 3:4 then why should I?

 

[judge not]

And every creeping thing that flieth is unclean unto you: they shall not be eaten. Deut 14:19 Just as soon as one thinks they have it then boom, that scripture overlooked or unseen,.
This is why faith requires one to search and make inquiry on the matter, even then one has to examine, test and prove all things that when asked be ready to give answer for the hope you have.



If not mistaken, that is what referred unto as a principle since the precepts as you gave as an example applies unilaterally. However, in regard to Deut 14:19, since it states every creep thing that fly unclean unto you and in such should not shall not be eaten. Then discerning between whether that scripture applies to the Leviticus 11 passage is where I will stop since you are no longer any to God's everlasting laws in the OT,
But one of the interesting things found was the flesh eating flying insect that actually kills and eats the flesh of reptiles and rodents, It was an interesting study.



Enter Satan?

Do you follow Jesus? I personally hold to the principle of the LORD in the Torah pretty which Jesus
even demonstrated when in NT.

So I take it you are referring unto the serpent in Genesis. The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil. Prov 16:4 However do you recall how the LORD in Exodus Ex 4:2 And the LORD said unto him, What is that in thine hand? And he said, A rod. Now keep you eyes on the rod if you want to learn where it came from. So in Ex 4:3 3 And he said, Cast it on the ground. And he cast it on the ground, and it became a serpent; and Moses fled from before it.

<>Enter Satan who distorts God's order by telling Eve God said you shall not eat of every tree of the garden But God said You are free to eat of any tree<>
You lost me there, don't know what you are trying to say[?] almost like God said you are free to eat of any tree and the serpent said God said you shall not eat of tree.

Not sure how you came to the conclusion that the woman the serpent spoke to in Genesis 2 was named Eve. But trust me the female's name wasn't Eve. But since the Bible is the most read and least examined book in history it is interesting that despite it's long history of being interpreted wrong yet having the appearance of being right. but as written in the Word, man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of the LORD.

1 So the serpent said Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? Is that what you heard, that God said, ye shall not eat. From the writings I would say that it appears that is a faithful statement to what is written that God did say. Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden.
2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: Isn't that what the Jesus said to the man he made in Genesis 2?
3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. That is the tree that they were could eat of. However, I am sure there will be some that will disagree, so with it being written that the LORD God commanded of the man, Gen 2:16 Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: 17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
So if they did eat of the tree which the LORD God commanded them not too, then as the scripture indicates, the man didn't die on the day he ate thereof. So of course since it wasn't a physical death then it must have been a spiritual death, but the body with the spirit is dead. yet they live 900+ years after.
4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: Did either one of them die?
5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. Since God is a Spirit, man being born of the Spirit, then as Jesus said that he that is born of the Spirit is spirit, so they where spirits As written in 1 Cor 14:1; Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.
6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. That they may be as frontlets between your eyes and bind them for a sign upon your hand, Deut 11:18
7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.
Life can be a cold dark place somethings. Gen 3:8 And they heard the voice of the Jesus walking in the garden in the cool of the day: Now some will probably dispute that it was Jesus but some other LORD God. But remember what was written in John 20:28 , even John 8:25

Some say the Book is the new tree of knowledge of good and evil.
It is kinda like the passages in Isaiah 29:11-13

I follow the clean and unclean laws of God still. Although many believe it does not apply anymore because it's OT stuff. they would be wrong.
It's all about our health and not rituals.

Deut 14:19 does tell us that all creeping or swarming things are unclean. But Lev 11 does clarify that certain kinds of insects may be eaten, like locusts, etc.
in fact the Bible illustrates an ancient tradition which shows John the baptist eating locusts with honey- Matthew 3:4
It's all about applying the characteristics of clean and unclean. long before Exodus, remember Noah was told to take unclean and clean animals onto the ark
Distinctions and deductions have to be made to follow God's physical laws properly.
If we take the pharisee's way over complicating the rules we can become entangled in a an endless battle of do and don'ts. Indirect definitions can be applied to discern what we should eat according to God's dietary laws.

I will discuss the garden of Eden and the tree of knowledge of good and evil later.
thanks

 

[judge not]

And Adam called his wife's name EVE because she was the mother of all living.Gen 3:20

Gen 3 clearly associates the only woman alive who ate the fruit as Adam's wife-the mother of all living would be the first woman of creation.
It was the same woman before and after eating the fruit.
Who do you think she was?

 

[Travis]

Greetings,

excuse me please for butting in (it's a sheep thing!),
but does the Scripture say she was Adam's wife?

Sorry,

Did I butt in? Butting in can be somewhat of a goat thing sometimes I think.

Do you think it was Eve who ate that fruit?

I certainly don't think it was Steve.... But that's another conversation....

Blessings,

Travis

 

[WaterRock]

I follow the clean and unclean laws of God still. Although many believe it does not apply anymore because it's OT stuff. they would be wrong.
It's all about our health and not rituals.

Right it is about growing in the truth. Whether in the spiritual or physical, it is still His Grace that saves. I wonder how many look at how it isn't
necessary for them to have to pick out what bug we have to eat today in order to survive, when we know one good ole hot dog probably contains 'em all.

 

[WaterRock]

Gen 3 clearly associates the only woman alive who ate the fruit as Adam's wife-the mother of all living would be the first woman of creation.
It was the same woman before and after eating the fruit.
Who do you think she was?

Those born of the Spirit and the Word might disagree since Adam was formed before the woman.

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings,

Butting in can be somewhat of a goat thing sometimes I think.

Yes,
cattle do it too and no doubt many other wonderful creatures!

Bless you ....><>

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings,

What or who would Adam consider to be his flesh?

Galatians 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

Bless you ....><>