Christians Always Met on the Lord's Day not the Sabbath

[DHC]

I cannot add much more to this other than my understanding :
We have a small measure now of the divine through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. as begotten children of God we are in the process, the gestation period of deification as a member of God's family (2 Cor 6:18).
God's ultimate purpose for us, our destiny, is to exalt us from our fleshy life to His level of divine spirit existence in the Resurrection at Christ's return-that will be the perfection that scripture calls ' the fullness of God " Eph 3;19.
We have the potential of becoming the kind of beings the Father and Christ now are.
In the KJV Phil 3:15 -I'm reading as many as be perfect -which I interpret spiritually mature,-rather than as are perfect.
But overall I believe perfection comes at the time of transformation to spirit.
Thank you.

Hello judge not.

I was very surprised at the statements you made judge not.

"We have a small measure now of the divine"???

This is not what the scripture testifies judge not.

Please read the following sir.

Colossians 1
21 And although you were formerly alienated and hostile in mind, engaged in evil deeds,
22 yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present
you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach.

Christ has established us "holy and blameless". Either, you believe or you do not believe.

Colossians 2
6 Therefore as you have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him,
7 having been firmly rooted and now being built up in Him and established
in your faith, just as you were instructed, and overflowing with gratitude.

Christ has saved and delivered you into the heavenly realm, stand firm
in your faith in Christ. Either you believe or you do not believe that Christ
has accomplished this.

Colossians 2
9 For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form,
10 and in Him you have been made complete, and He is the
head over all rule and authority;

You have been "made complete" already in Christ. This is the present
tense, already completed, you are complete in Christ. Do you believe
what Christ has already accomplished, or are you still following your
own efforts at righteousness.

Ephesians 2
4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us,
5 even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ
(by grace you have been saved),
6 and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,

You are now sitting with Christ by Grace, not by your own efforts.

You are complete and perfect in Christ already, so walk in the
faith, with gratitude. It is done, accomplished, finished in Christ.
You are seated with Christ in the heavenly realms. You must stand
firm in the faith, you must believe in Christ.

 

[judge not]

1 John 4:17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world

The key to love made(not being made) is in this verse.
The belief that as he is so are we in this world.
It does not say "as he was" in this world it says as "he is" and it does not say "we will be" it says we are.
If I am waiting for this then I already don't believe it.



John 11:23 Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.
John 11:24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
John 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

I submit to you that the resurrection is a person and not a date in time.

1 Cor 15, the resurrection chapter I believe, talks about those in Christ's rising from the dead all together at the last trump which is when Jesus returns.
That would be a date in time although nobody knows when that day will be.

Then in Rev 20 a description of the millennial reign of the saints precedes the general resurrection of everyone else when the thousand year period was finished, verse 5.
This would be a specific date in time as well, would it not?

 

[Barny]

Yes it does forgive 7x70, love always forgives indefinetly. God does not reject us, we reject Him. Perfect obedience to the law is agape love Barny love from heaven that forgives continuelsy. It does come to a point that we greive away the Holy Spirit and cannot be reached and at this point we do not except forgiveness. You seem to look at the gospel of Christ one sided, you look at it from the point of view that God gave or gives, but we have the choice to recieve or not, and this is the part that you do not understand.

"And in this imperfect world with all our failings and misunderstanding each others life perspectives, etc,"

Yes Barny the world is imperfect, but we are not of the world we are a peculiar people sanctified in the Lord, we are different. I know we all have different battles that we go through, God knows our battles and He gives us strength to overcome through a love relationship with Him. Whatever our problems are, He is greater.

You still have not answered my question.

I guess we won't be satisfied with any answer we give each other as we both follow different gospels.

And as you yourself are not/cannot be perfect in obedience then you stand condemned by the doctrine you follow. The doctrine you follow presents a facade of faith and love, but at it's core is the ministry of condemnation/death (that was done away with 2Cor 3:7.). It's where Satan the accuser still charges sin against those under the law.
Why?
Because of unbelief.

 

[Thiscrosshurts]

Then in Rev 20 a description of the millennial reign of the saints precedes the general resurrection of everyone else when the thousand year period was finished, verse 5.
This would be a specific date in time as well, would it not?

Scripture's concept of time can be a little tough to nail down:
John 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

Jesus said the time is coming but then he says it "now is".
This is the Son of God telling us that the dead who hear his voice shall live.
However the dead are those who are not alive or those who have not heard his voice.
We might think we are living but until we hear his voice we have no life.
So it stands to reason that hearing his voice is resurrection because as he told Martha"I am the resurrection" right before Lazarus heard his voice and resurrected.
John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

Ephesians speaks of the resurrection as though it took place 2000 years ago:

Ephesians 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
Ephesians 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
Ephesians 2:3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
Ephesians 2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
Ephesians 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

It seems to me that time from scriptures point of view is not the same as we understand it.

 

[papajim]

I guess we won't be satisfied with any answer we give each other as we both follow different gospels.

And as you yourself are not/cannot be perfect in obedience then you stand condemned by the doctrine you follow. The doctrine you follow presents a facade of faith and love, but at it's core is the ministry of condemnation/death (that was done away with 2Cor 3:7.). It's where Satan the accuser still charges sin against those under the law.
Why?
Because of unbelief.

Yes I struggle wit unbelief Barny as we all do, but
It's not about me Barny, it's about Jesus in me. I died remember?
I sill have the imputed righteousness of Christ, I'm just learning to believe it, so that I can learn to live the righteousnss of Christ. If I make a mistake I am still covered by the blood of Christ. He is still faithful to cleanse me from all unrighteousness.
Once we except Jesus into our lives He begans preparing us for Heaven. If you were running a race to recieve a prize for winning the race wouldn't you have to train for the race? We are in training.

God still forgives us 7x70 as we grow in faith. Salvation has to be rejected for it to be lost, just as Christ's righteousness has to be rejected to be lost. When we reject Christ's righteousness we reject Christ and those that reject Christ do not believe in Him.

Believing in Jesus is a package deal, to believe in Him, is also to believe in His power to transform us into His righteousness, because His power is a part of Him. It is the Spirit of God in you that has brought you to T.J. isn't it? Don't limit what God can do in you Barny. Sin has been defeated in Christ it can also be defeated in us if we believe, not by our power, but by His power working in us.

It's not complicated, believe in Jesus and follow Him.

In 2Cor. chapter 3 you will see that sin has been done away with, it has been defeated. In verse 6 the letter killeth but the Spirit gives life. The letter condemns sin, but sin has been destroyed in Christ so through faith we recieve His righteousness. We have been made righteous, but we struggle to believe it, just like you are struggleling to believe it.

Lord I believe, help thou my unbelief.

 

[papajim]

Scripture's concept of time can be a little tough to nail down:
John 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

Jesus said the time is coming but then he says it "now is".
This is the Son of God telling us that the dead who hear his voice shall live.
However the dead are those who are not alive or those who have not heard his voice.
We might think we are living but until we hear his voice we have no life.
So it stands to reason that hearing his voice is resurrection because as he told Martha"I am the resurrection" right before Lazarus heard his voice and resurrected.
John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

Ephesians speaks of the resurrection as though it took place 2000 years ago:

Ephesians 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
Ephesians 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
Ephesians 2:3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
Ephesians 2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
Ephesians 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

It seems to me that time from scriptures point of view is not the same as we understand it.

I believe this is why the bible calls death, sleep, the true death is the eternal death, the death we now die is a sleep, because we will rise again at the ressurection to eternal life, or eternal damnation. Blessed are those that rise in the first resurrection.

 

[Barny]

Yes I struggle wit unbelief Barny as we all do, but
It's not about me Barny, it's about Jesus in me. I died remember?
I sill have the imputed righteousness of Christ, I'm just learning to believe it, so that I can learn to live the righteousnss of Christ. If I make a mistake I am still covered by the blood of Christ. He is still faithful to cleanse me from all unrighteousness.
Once we except Jesus into our lives He begans preparing us for Heaven. If you were running a race to recieve a prize for winning the race wouldn't you have to train for the race? We are in training.
.

Hi papajim,

Actually we are running in the race.
Who is going to win control?
The flesh or the spirit?

Heb 12:1
Therefore we also, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which so easily ensnares us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith,

1Cor 9:26-27
Therefore I run thus: not with uncertainty. Thus I fight: not as one who beats the air. But I discipline my body and bring it into subjection, lest, when I have preached to others, I myself should become disqualified.

What is the sin that can ensnare us and make us disqualified?
It's unbelief. Failing the grace of God.
Heb 12:15-17
looking carefully lest anyone fall short of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up cause trouble, and by this many become defiled; lest there be any fornicator or profane person like Esau, who for one morsel of food sold his birthright. For you know that afterward, when he wanted to inherit the blessing, he was rejected, for he found no place for repentance, though he sought it diligently with tears.

If we continue to believe in Jesus then we are in the spirit. And we win a incorruptible crown.

But if we turn to works of the law as evidence of righteousness, then we are in the flesh and it has control. And being thus under the law we make ourselves transgressors/sinners, Gal 2:18. We are thus condemned in unbelief.

Purge out the old leaven (doctrine of works of the law, Matt 16:12.) and believe in Jesus, looking unto him the author and finisher of our faith.
Do not fail God's grace by continuing under the law for righteousness.

 

[judge not]

Hello judge not.

I was very surprised at the statements you made judge not.

"We have a small measure now of the divine"???

This is not what the scripture testifies judge not.

Please read the following sir.

Colossians 1
21 And although you were formerly alienated and hostile in mind, engaged in evil deeds,
22 yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present
you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach.

Christ has established us "holy and blameless". Either, you believe or you do not believe.

Colossians 2
6 Therefore as you have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him,
7 having been firmly rooted and now being built up in Him and established
in your faith, just as you were instructed, and overflowing with gratitude.

Christ has saved and delivered you into the heavenly realm, stand firm
in your faith in Christ. Either you believe or you do not believe that Christ
has accomplished this.

Colossians 2
9 For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form,
10 and in Him you have been made complete, and He is the
head over all rule and authority;

You have been "made complete" already in Christ. This is the present
tense, already completed, you are complete in Christ. Do you believe
what Christ has already accomplished, or are you still following your
own efforts at righteousness.

Ephesians 2
4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us,
5 even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ
(by grace you have been saved),
6 and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,

You are now sitting with Christ by Grace, not by your own efforts.

You are complete and perfect in Christ already, so walk in the
faith, with gratitude. It is done, accomplished, finished in Christ.
You are seated with Christ in the heavenly realms. You must stand
firm in the faith, you must believe in Christ.

After reading Colossians 1:21-through 23 you can see the verses talk about the chance to receive eternal life is conditional-to remain holy and blameless before God we must " continue in the faith ". We must put forth effort and we must produce.
Eternal life is conditional all through the New Testament- it is a gift but we need to put that gift to work(Ephesians 2:10)
But we can easily fall from grace=1Tim 4:1
If it is done, accomplished, finished, then why do we have to fight the good fight of faith?-1 Tim 6:12

The Holy Spirit is the invisible influence of God in the lives of human beings living in the natural world.
Once we are resurrected and become immortal transformed into spirit we will then have the divine radiant glory like God.
Right now we are still flesh and blood subject to corruption and sin even after conversion.
This is what overcoming is all about
We are God's children in only a restricted sense.
We have not received the promise or full inheritance of what lies ahead for us-yet.

 

[judge not]

Hello all.

The statement "the ten commandments" always appears
here and there in posts throughout TJ. For those folk who
utter this line have ommitted other commandments. I am
constantly surprised at this abbreviation of the commands
that God gave.

For some reason a number of commands are always disregarded.

Why is the following command for example, from Jesus always omitted.

Matthew 5
34 But I say to you, make no oath at all, either by heaven,
for it is the throne of God,
35 or by the earth, for it is the footstool of His feet, or by Jerusalem,
for it is the city of the great King.

Or this command;

32 ...and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

Why do those who claim the "ten commandments" always neglect
to mention the other commandments?

I need to know why the phrase "the ten commandments" is the
phrase of choice, when it was never the yardstick of obedience.

DHC

Jesus was expanding on the applications of some of the examples you mentioned-respectfully the 3rd Commandment and the 7th Commandment.

Jesus shows us that His teachings amplify and explain the required behavior summarized in the Ten Commandments.

 

[judge not]

Sabbath means "seventh day" not saturday. (Genesis 2:3)
Saturn (Latin: Saturnus) was a god in ancient Roman religion.
Saturn the planet and Saturday are both named after this god.
Sda follow the day of Saturnas. Why do you worship saturn?
Sabbath keeping was given to national Israel and to no other nation.

This idea that a battle rages in the Bible regarding the sabbath or idolatry
is not true at all. Life and Death was the battle ground that God surveyed.
Death was introduced through Adam and all died. Even if a person loved
God and obeyed the sabbath they died, they fell on the battlefield.
Even babies who had not sinned died, there were no exceptions.
The penalty for sin is death (Romans 6:23).

Romans 5
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who had
not sinned in the likeness of the offense of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come.

1 Corinthians 15:22
For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive.




No one kept the sabbath or any other law, the flesh is unable to obey the law.

Biblical truth, is and always has been the same, the promise of the
messiah is and only is what the scripture proclaims. This is the crowning
revelation of all scripture, The Revelation and Reconciliation of Jesus Christ.
The law pointed directly to the messiah. Prophets proclaimed the identity and
majesty of the messiah, behold the true King of Heaven and Hell will be here soon.

John 14:6
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life;

Jesus is the truth, the absolute truth.
The testimony of Jesus Christ is also absolute truth.
You and I the created images of God Himself, have been reconciled
through His Son Jesus Christ. This is the revelation of the scripture
and you will do well to place great emphasis on this TRUTH. Not
undermine this eternal revelation with prattle concerning a twelve hour
period of the week.

Please interpret the following verse and get back to me;

Romans 5:20
The Law came in so that the transgression would increase;
but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more,

Jesus was Lord of the Sabbath and taught how to keep it

 

[Barny]

This is just a test message as I'm having troubles trying to post on another topic.

 

[Rev T.S.Perkins]

You might increase you're font size ....I use a big print bible ..lol.....Rev