The true church

[David777]

Hello all.

I will now answer the initial thread question.

The true church is simply populated by all those who;

Romans 10:9
that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe
in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;

That is the Gospel, you can only be saved by the belief in Jesus Christ.

There is no further requirement, that is the Good News.

Heaven is the destination of those that believe in Jesus Christ.

It is never the Gospel plus any addition, justification is through Christ.

Therefore, the true church can only ever be attended by those in Christ.

Beware of those who say you must be a member of this specific denomination.

Beware of those who add or detract from the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

False teachers add a commandment or two to the Gospel,
it is Christ plus obedience to this or that.

False teachers say there are additional requirements.

There is no other way to be reconciled than through Jesus Christ.

Our celebration is of Christs work for us.

Our boast is in Jesus Christ and nothing else.

Hold fast to the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

 

[bgsda]

Truth what is wrong with you. let me get this right you are saying our Creator Jesus (john1:3 All things were madeby him; and without him wasnot any thing madethat was made ., when He rested on the Sabbath at creation (Gen.2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished , and all the host of them.2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made ; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made . 3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made, blessed, hallowed, and sanctified (set apart for HOLY use) the sabbath.Ex.20 8-11. But when he came as flesh He got amnesia and worshipped on a different day because man changed the cycles and days and SINNED. His disciples also worshipped on a wrong day being led by the Holy Spirit. WOW IDK who is feeding you this crazy idea Truth but run away from that person. If its you then run to Jesus and start obeying Him ASAP.

See truth now this deals with your salvation . You cannot openly sin against Him knowing the truth now each and every week. Truth you or the most prominent pastor in this world will not find Biblical evidence anywhere in Scriptures that will say that the Sabbath has been changed from Sat. to Sun. Yes you may assume but god only blessed,hallowed and sanctified one day. the other days are ordinary. Please choose correctly Truth not for me but for Christ. i showed you many,many texts in the Bible and there is plenty more from the O.T and N.T. Its not easy, like it was not eas\y for me, to admit that what you've been thought for I dont know how long and what you believe is WRONG. But you have to heed His word. God bless and its your choice now.

 

[David777]

Love is the fulfillment of the law, whatever law that might be for a Jew.

Romans 13

8 Owe nothing to anyone except to love one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law.
9 For this, “ You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,”
and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, “ You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”
10 Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

Love from a pure heart is the goal of all the Christian instruction.

• 1 Timothy 1:5
  But the goal of our instruction is love from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith.
• 2 Timothy 2:22
  Now flee from youthful lusts and pursue righteousness, faith, love and peace, with those who call on the Lord from a pure heart.

Love is the royal law, the more excellent way and the only way.

 

[bgsda]

David if your married you telling me that you love your wife so much that you can cheat on her with another woman. Or lets say for her birthday you can kill her. How about constantly lie to her. You get the point right. It doesnt mean that we dont keep the law out of love. John 14:15/15:10

 

[bgsda]

David you are mistaken. you believe once again you just have to believe and you are the true church. Yes that is very important BUT the demons believe and tremble at the sound of His name. What is the diff. between you and the demons? Also you are mistaken and deceived because we will be judged by our character or fruits or works Rev.20:12And I saw the dead, small and great, standbefore God; and the books were opened : and another book was opened , which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were writtenin the books, according to their works. And Rev:22:12And, behold , I comequickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

David you cant throw away what God said many,many times in His Word about those that will be keeping his Commandments in the end of time and also which Jesus and His disciples did. Rev. 12:17/14:12/ 22:14/; John14:15/15:10; Matt.5:17-19; (Luke); James 2:12; Rom.7:25; 1Cor.7:19; Heb.8:10. I can keep going and going. You see its everywhere and everyone. Everyone in the O.T too. David you havebeen fed lies. I was too, maybe by sincere people that dont know but know YOU know and will be held accountable to God.

You can disregard this warning at your own salvation but please before you hold on to mans tradition do a thorough study on this subject not from man though. Dont ask your Pastor or anyone but the Holy Spirit. This is the least you can do. Pride does get in the way ,I know, but we have to come to Him as a child no pre-conceived ideas. We did not even get to the other characteristics of Gods true church. About the judgement and the health message and etc. this one is very important though. How do you match up to this first one david. Do you keep the Commandments of God and have the faith of Jesus?

See we cant keep the Commandments of God without the help and faith of Jesus. God bless David.

 

[David777]

David you are mistaken. you believe once again you just have to believe and you are the true church. Yes that is very important BUT the demons believe and tremble at the sound of His name. What is the diff. between you and the demons? Also you are mistaken and deceived because we will be judged by our character or fruits or works Rev.20:12And I saw the dead, small and great, standbefore God; and the books were opened : and another book was opened , which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were writtenin the books, according to their works. And Rev:22:12And, behold , I comequickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

David you cant throw away what God said many,many times in His Word about those that will be keeping his Commandments in the end of time and also which Jesus and His disciples did. Rev. 12:17/14:12/ 22:14/; John14:15/15:10; Matt.5:17-19; (Luke); James 2:12; Rom.7:25; 1Cor.7:19; Heb.8:10. I can keep going and going. You see its everywhere and everyone. Everyone in the O.T too. David you havebeen fed lies. I was too, maybe by sincere people that dont know but know YOU know and will be held accountable to God.

You can disregard this warning at your own salvation but please before you hold on to mans tradition do a thorough study on this subject not from man though. Dont ask your Pastor or anyone but the Holy Spirit. This is the least you can do. Pride does get in the way ,I know, but we have to come to Him as a child no pre-conceived ideas. We did not even get to the other characteristics of Gods true church. About the judgement and the health message and etc. this one is very important though. How do you match up to this first one david. Do you keep the Commandments of God and have the faith of Jesus?

See we cant keep the Commandments of God without the help and faith of Jesus. God bless David.

Hello bgsda, always grateful for a reply.

You did say;

David you are mistaken. you believe once again you just have to believe and
you are the true church. Yes that is very important BUT the demons believe and
tremble at the sound of His name. What is the diff. between you and the demons?
Also you are mistaken and deceived because we will be judged by our character
or fruits or works Rev.20

The most fundamental and important message God has given us
is the Gospel. This Gospel is the New Covenant that God has
established with mankind, very good news. This is the message
that the apostles carried.

Now together we will read the Gospel.

Romans 10:9
that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart
that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;

There it is in all its simple, breathtaking beauty.

Faith (which is a gift) in Jesus Christ is the requirement.

There is no other way to be saved!!!

I am not mistaken bgsda, the Gospel states without question
that I am saved because I believed the Gospel.

Now will you kindly read Titus 3,

5 He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness,
but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit,
6 whom He poured out upon us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior,
7 so that being justified by His grace we would be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

You have blended faith and works together and created
another Gospel. I repeat, we are saved because we believe
in Jesus Christ, that is the Gospel.

Scripture proclaims nothing more that salvation through
Jesus Christ, forgiveness of sins through Jesus Christ.
It is God's finished work for us, "it is done".

The Gospel is simply Jesus Christ, He is our sole focus.

Correcting your quote in particular;

"Yes that is very important BUT the demons believe and tremble at the sound of His name."

Demons do not believe in Jesus for the forgiveness of their sins.
They believe and tremble at the "sound of His name", note the
difference. The sound of His name is what makes them tremble.
They do not confess Jesus Christ for their salvation!
Please bgsda that mistake was so simple. What are
you trying to say bgsda?

After misunderstanding the true and only Gospel of our
Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, you proceed to proclaim
the false Gospel. A Gospel of works in complete disregard
of the Gospel of Grace.

Here is what you said;

"Also you are mistaken and deceived because we will be
judged by our character or fruits or works Rev.20"

Yet again another comprehension error, bgsda read
Rev 20 again carefully. Then get back to me, I am fully
aware that all humanity is judged according to works.
If your name is not written in the book of life you are
cast into the lake of fire.

The Gospel is the only way to be saved there is no other
way. Works result from the power of the Holy Spirit that
is in us which results in Godliness. Works result from faith.
We are never saved on the basis of works, that is heresy.
You are misreading Revelations 20, you misunderstand
the true Gospel.

You are so confused bgsda that you are committing heresy.

We are saved by the blood of Jesus Christ and that is the
Gospel. Nothing more nothing less.

Do not trample on the supreme Gospel of Jesus Christ.
It is by Faith in Jesus Christ not works.

 

[Eagle_Eyes]

The true church is not a building or a denomination, but it is a people that believes every Word of God no matter how difficult it is to believe it. They will stand when the Holy Spirit says stand and will sit when told to sit etc. They will also recognize God's voice when He speaks and will not question His leading.

Out of all the denominations in this world, not a one are right. God will judge this world by His Word, not by a church or church's creed or doctrine.

 

[bgsda]

David hello. David I think we are straying away from the topic here. This topic is in 2 diff. threads that i gave lots of biblical texts to support what the Bible say. One is "Is it faith alone" the other is "obedience" you can find them if you click on my name and see the threads i replied on. But just to clarify this one thing in Rev.20. did you read it? We the "dead, small and great" Rev.19:.5And a voice came out of the throne, saying , Praise our God, all ye his servants, and ye that fear him, both small and great. That is wonderful right when we let the Bible explain itself. We the ones who" fear Him" are the ones who will be judged "according to our works" who are written in the "Book of Life". How do we know this go to Rev.3:5 He that overcometh , the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. You dod wanna be an overcomer right. No more on this . go to the other reply's i mentioned to have a discussion on this.

Now david you havent answered my question. The one about will you cheat on your wife,kill, etc. Now David what would happen if a person willfully and knowingly continues in disobedience? Heb. 10:26For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,27But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. Or John 12:35Then Jesus said unto them, Yet a little while is the light with you. Walkwhile ye have the light, lest darkness come uponyou: for he that walkethin darkness knoweth not whither he goeth .
The Bible leaves no room for doubt. The answer is sobering and shocking, but true. When a person KNOWINGLY rejects light and continues in disobedience, the light eventually goes out, and he is left in total darkness. A person who rejects rtruth receives a "strong delusion" to believe the falsehood is truth 2Thess2:11. When this happens, he is lost from that moment. David the Ten Commandments stand. You and many others believe that 9 out of ten stand and fight the 4th. Why? The only one hat starts with REMEMBER.

Jesus said in John:14:23Jesus answeredand said unto him, If a man loveme, he will keepmy words: and my Father will lovehim, and we will comeunto him, and make our abode with him.24He that lovethme not keepethnot my sayings: and the word which ye hearisnot mine, but the Father's which sent me. Also in 1John5:3For this is the love of God, that we keephis commandments: and his commandments arenot grievous. His Commandments are NOT grievous. Did you understand why do people make them grievous or burdensome. Why?

Remeber David that this keeping of His Commandments is a characteristic of Gods end time people or church. Take heed lest a "strong delusion come upon you". Jesus to the letter to the Laodiceans said Rev 3:19As many as I love , I rebuke and chasten : be zealous therefore, and repent . David im doing this out of love, dont want you or others to miss this important thing that SEPERATES Gods true end time people. Not that we should be secluded but reach and teach others of Christs love and how to be obedient childeren. Im not perfect i still sin and need the victory over things but truth is truth.

 

[bgsda]

Eagle eyes Hello. What you wrote sounds good but as you read all the replys in this thread you will learn that it sounds good but not Biblical. That honky-dory we are all the same and believe the same is False. Are you the same as a Catholic believer Eagle? they believe in jesus.

 

[Christ4Ever]

The true church is not a building or a denomination, but it is a people that believes every Word of God no matter how difficult it is to believe it. They will stand when the Holy Spirit says stand and will sit when told to sit etc. They will also recognize God's voice when He speaks and will not question His leading.

Out of all the denominations in this world, not a one are right. God will judge this world by His Word, not by a church or church's creed or doctrine.

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Eagle eyes Hello. What you wrote sounds good but as you read all the replys in this thread you will learn that it sounds good but not Biblical. That honky-dory we are all the same and believe the same is False. Are you the same as a Catholic believer Eagle? they believe in jesus.

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Actually brother bgsda,
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Unless I’m reading it wrong, but I believe that what Eagle Eyes was saying is not how you interpreted it. The implication that everyone from every denomination believes in the same Jesus much less is saved; is not what I took from his post. Rather as I myself believe, there is not one perfect church made out of stone, brick, what have you, or one denomination, which can be defined as “one true church” to be found on this rather imperfect world unless you’re talking about the Body of Christ. </SPAN>

As you have stated and agree with, however would phrase a little differently then “honky-dory” that not everyone who say “Lord, Lord …” Matthew 7:21-22 is a believer or will be saved. </SPAN>

Unless you can look into the heart of a person, can you tell if anyone specific person is or will be saved in that day? </SPAN>

If you can, then God Bless you brother, and give Him thanks each and everyday for this gift, because in truth, I cannot tell you wheat from chaff. </SPAN>

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C4E</SPAN>

 

[David777]

Greetings bgsda, I answered your post almost line
by line, please read the entire post. Take notes if
necessary so that your reply will reflect this
present post.

"David hello. David I think we are straying away from the topic here."

Straying from the thread, never bgsda, the Gospel
is the very heart of the revelation of Jesus Christ.
All matters may only ever be addressed with this
foundation. A Christian church is only ever built
on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Jesus is all and in
all.

"That is wonderful right when we let the Bible explain itself.
We the ones who" fear Him" are the ones who will be judged
"according to our works" who are written in the "Book of Life".

Revelations most clearly spells out that Jesus is our first
love. Works good or bad simply arise from the inner
conviction whether faith is in Jesus or not.

When you read the book of Revelations it is required
bgsda that you read every chapter in context. Also, that
scripture will interpret scripture. Let's step quickly through
Revelations 1 & 2 in order to lay the carpet of context
so that we can understand Revelations 3.

Revelations 1

5...To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood...

John has stated that we are forgiven by the blood of Jesus.

John states the Gospel, so of course Jesus is our first love.

Context prevails bgsda, now we will move to Revelations 2

4 Nevertheless I have this against you, that you have left your first love.

The first love is always Jesus.

10...Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life.

Faith which I mentioned earlier is the Gospel.

13...And you hold fast to My name, and did not deny My faith.

Repetition of the Gospel, His name, Faith, the Gospel.

Now I will quote 2 passages from Revelations 2 that will
sorely test your sda theology bgsda.

Revelations 2

14...doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balak to put a stumbling block before
the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed to idols, and to commit sexual immorality.

20...you allow that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess,
to teach and seduce My servants to commit sexual immorality and 0
eat things sacrificed to idols.

Eating things sacrificed to idols and sexual immorality
is mentioned twice bgsda. Two churches are targeted
by Jesus for correction.This is a significant error but why?
Your Jewish ten commandments do not directly mention
either. Scripture will spell out the basis for the correction.

Acts 15 (The Jerusalem Council)

19 Therefore I judge that we should not trouble those from among the
Gentiles who are turning to God,

20 but that we write to them to abstain from things polluted by idols,
from sexual immorality, from things strangled, and from blood.

So there is the issue spelled out for us, not any mention of the
Jewish law for the Gentiles but simple rules that the Gentiles
should adhere to. Abstain from things sacrificed to idols!
Abstain from sexual immorality! The lawlessness of these
two churches was the deviation from the two commands
issued by Peter(acts 15), not from the ten commandments.

Context removes errors in doctrine.

At last we can now peer at Revelations 3 with some
contextual understanding.

Revelations 3

4 Nevertheless I have this against you, that you have left your first love.

8...See, I have set before you an open door, and no one can shut it;
for you have a little strength, have kept My word, and have not denied My name (Jesus).

10 Because you have kept My command to persevere...

The Gospel is foremost as usual, and his word (singular).

Is this another commandment bgsda to persevere, it does
say command. This command was from Jesus.

The book of Revelations is not difficult to understand
when it is read in context bgsda.

Now your quote bgsda;

Rev.3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment;
and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess
his name before my Father, and before his angels.

He that overcomes is the one who remains faithful to
the first love Jesus Christ, the Gospel. When you
follow Jesus and the instructions He gave through
Peter (Acts 15), then like the churches mentioned
above. Your name cannot be removed from the
book of life. Oh bgsda, is not context so important.
The whiteness of the robes is the righteousness of
Christ not our own.

The Gospel is eternal, the Word is what we put our
faith in. Never deny Jesus and you will never stray
into sexual immorality or eat things sacrificed to
idols. Our Holy Spirit sanctifies us and enables us
to focus on Jesus, works do follow this. We are saved
due to Christ's work at the cross and sanctified by
the Holy Spirit.

"Now david you havent answered my question. The one about will you cheat
on your wife,kill, etc. Now David what would happen if a person willfully and
knowingly continues in disobedience?"

I am not married bgsda never have been, it would be very
rare for me to consider adultery. I have been celebant for
more than likely longer than you have been alive. I am married
in the church to Jesus Christ. Would I kill, do not need
to, I do not harbor hatred, I am compelled to always forgive.
Jesus forgave me (the Gospel) so I must also forgive.
I have answered your question bgsda.

Bgsda a person who continues in disobedience has not
the Gospel, has not the first love, has not Jesus. For if
they PERSEVERED (commandment) in the Gospel
then their name would never be blotted out from the
book of life. If they do not persevere then they probably
never had the first love. This is logical of course, how
could a person who really loves Jesus not persevere?

"The Bible leaves no room for doubt. The answer is sobering and shocking,
but true. When a person KNOWINGLY rejects light and continues in disobedience,
the light eventually goes out, and he is left in total darkness. A person who
rejects rtruth receives a "strong delusion" to believe the falsehood is truth 2Thess2:11.
When this happens, he is lost from that moment. David the Ten Commandments stand.
You and many others believe that 9 out of ten stand and fight the 4th. Why?
The only one hat starts with REMEMBER."

A few more lines need to be added to your reference
to 2 Thessalonians 2:11 in order to understand what
is actually being said, rather than your loose and
inaccurate application of quotes.

10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish,
because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they
should believe the lie,

12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth
but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

The love of the truth, Jesus is the Truth, love of Jesus.
They did not receive the love of Jesus, so rightly
they are deceived and believe the lie. I understand
completely how you would read this.

The lie according to your theology is failure to obey
the sabbath. In context (2 Thessalonians 2) is stating
that those who do not love Jesus will believe the lie.
It does not say, those that do not obey a Mosaic
commandment will believe the lie. It says most clearly
that the lie is no other than the lawless one himself sitting
in the temple of God showing himself as God.

Bgsda you refuse context so you misread 2 Thessalonians 2
and misunderstand what is written. The great lie Paul
tells us is beyond question, the imitation of Christ. Read
chapter 2 again and again and please identify the lie
correctly.

"David the Ten Commandments stand. You and many others
believe that 9 out of ten stand and fight the 4th. Why?
The only one hat starts with REMEMBER."

Wrong again bgsda, I am a Gentile, the ten commandments are
not mine to obey. I love Jesus and follow the commands given
by the apostle Peter to the Gentiles (Acts 15). In this I persevere, my
first love is Jesus, the light, there is never any darkness in the
light. Your always assuming things that are just not true at all.

I personally do not know the percentage of Christians that use
the Jewish law on this site. Most do not seem to mention
the law, hence the percentage would be low. As for the
fourth commandment, let go of the law bgsda it was
given to physical Israel not to us. Your prophetess has
singled out the sabbath, but your prophetess did not
read in context.

"Jesus said in John:14:23Jesus answeredand said unto him,
If a man loveme, he will keepmy words: and my Father will lovehim,
and we will comeunto him, and make our abode with him.
24He that lovethme not keepethnot my sayings: and the word which
ye hearisnot mine, but the Father's which sent me."

Exactly bgsda, a good quote, if a man loves Jesus he will
abide in what Jesus said. The Gospel is the full truth,
persevere in your love for Jesus and the Father will make
His abode with you. Jesus told us to obey what the apostles
spoke. Acts 15 says it all, or do you dismiss tradition and
drink both the old wine and the new? You cannot have both,
the new wine is better, a greater covenant founded not on
animal sacrifices but on the very blood of Christ himself.
Christ is the temple, Christ is the beginning (by faith) and the
end (by faith). The Holy Spirit convicts of sin, and the
Holy Spirit most deeply establishes the law of love
in our hearts.

If you disregard the teachings of the apostles you in effect
disregard the truth itself. Remember to always read the
scripture line by line in context. Otherwise error occurs.

 

[David777]

Yet again bgsda.

As a sideline if you would not mind, truthspeaker asked me
to ask you how you interpret the following passages. Tread
carefully bgsda in your interpretation ie: context.

Colossians 2

16 Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or
in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day—

17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance
belongs to Christ.

18 Let no one keep defrauding you of your prize by delighting in self-abasement
and the worship of the angels, taking his stand on visions he has seen,
inflated without cause by his fleshly mind,

19 and not holding fast to the head, from whom the entire body, being supplied
and held together by the joints and ligaments, grows with a growth which is from God.

 

[truth speaker]

Thanks David777,finally got things up and going

Bgsda what is the first two commandments,
and not only what David posted for me but also in colossians ch 2 vs 14 (Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us,and tookit out of the way,nailing it to the cross it doesn't get any simpler than that,God blotted the old covenant out,he took it out of the way

Also if you read in the book of Acts you would find the apostles gathered on the first day of the week Acts ch 20 vs 7 (And upon the first day of the week,when the disciples came together to break bread,Paul preached unto them,ready to depart on the morrow;and continued his speech until midnight.) They broke bread just as they did in the upper room,because this is the day they remember the Lord,the day of his resurrection

And i have always knew and stood on the fact of God erasing the old law and all that was in it,i was trying to get you to show me where in the new covenant does it say to keep the sabbath ,if you would study you would find we are no longer in dept to the law of Moses

 

[bgsda]

David IDK if you read your own reply bt you keep reffering to what the apostles wrote in Acts 15. Are you trying to say that this is all we have to do? David Jesus is the main focus in everything I wrote and write but you fail to miss it. David you say you dont have to keep the Commandments you're doing yourself harm. I will keep you in my prayers. Another thing you cont. calling yourself a Gentile am I the only one that finds a problem with this?

David I have shown so many texts throughout this thread that the Ten Commandments still abide. You havent replied about the 3 times keeping Gods Commandments and having the faith of Jesus was mentioned in the book of Revelation. Or what John and paul called the definition of sin 1John 3:4/Romans 7:7;3:20. I will advise you that a better way to study on any point ,i believe, is to grab a concordance (Strongs) and look up the topic and study it thoroughly David. You continue thinking that context is everything. Dont you know that Paul was a very wise man and his writtings are a little hard to understand. 2peter 3:15And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;16As also in all his epistles, speakingin them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest , as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. Remember who is writing this, its Peter filled with the Holy Spirit.

Well david you have a choice. thanks for answering those questions about your personal life but I believe you got the point where I was getting at. David like I said before if you was to be honest with yourself you would admit that 9 out of the Commandments you know are still binding today. You know you have to keep them. Its just the 4th that trips you and many people yet God gave us Ten not a ten percent sale and took one off. The wisest man who ever lived and guided by the Holy Spirit put it best at the end of his book of Ecclesiastes 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: FearGod, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing , whether it be good, or whether it be evil. I guess we agree to disagree david. we can go on forever but the truth is one of us is wrong. We both CANNOT be right. Please consider to further study and read the replies I put up as I will read and study yours.

 

[bgsda]

Truth Col.2:14 points to the law of Moses. Main thing to look at in that verse is the HANDWRITTING. Read the pst carefully that I made a seperation between both laws found throghout the Bible. Same thing in Eph.2:15.

Truth the one about the Sabbath in Col 2 :14-17 this does not do awy witht he Sabbath. it refers only to the sabbaths which were " a shadow of things to come" and not the seventh-day Sabbath. There were seven yearly holidays, or festivals, in ancient Israel which were also called sabbaths. These were in addition to, or "besides the Sabbaths of the LORD" (Leviticus23:38), or seventh-day Sabbath. These all foreshadowed, or pointed to, the cross and ended at the cross. Gods seventh day Sabbath was made BEFORE sin entered, and therefore could foreshadow nothing about deliverence from sin. Thats why Col.2 differentiates and speciffically mentions the sabbaths that were a "shadow". These seven yearly sabbaths which were abolished are listed in Leviticus 23.

The one in Acts20:7. According to the Bible, each day begins at sundown and ends the next sundown (Gen.1:5,8,13,19,23,31: Lev.23:32) and the dark part of the day comes first. So Sabbath begins on Fri. night sundown and ends Sat. night sundown. This meeting of Acts 20 was held on the dark part of Sunday, or on what we now call Sat. night. Read the New English Bible version. It was Sat.-night meeting, and lasted until midnight. Paul was on a farewell tour and knew he would not see these people again before his death (vs.25). No wonder he preached so long. The "breaking of bread" has no "holy day" significance whatsoever, because they broke bread daily (acts2:46). Incidently this meeting was mentioned only because of the miracle of raising Eutychus back to lie afer he fell.

In ezekiel 46:1, God refers to Sunday as one of the six "working days".

 

[bgsda]

Hello Truth I believe you are starting to search for the truth. I pray that you will see in the Scriptures that from Gen. to Rev. it all says the same thing that Gods commandments, which include the 4th (not 9 or a ten percent sale), are still binding and one of the characteristics of Gods end time church or people. I hope you and others would allow the Holy Spirit to lead you in the study of this.
I believe if you get a concordance and thoroughly study the Sabbath youll come up with the Truth. FYI do you know that St. Patrick, we celebrate a St. Patrick's day over here, kept the Bible Sabbath(the 7th day). You know it shouldn't be burdonsome to keep his Commandments. 1John5:2By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.3For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous(burdensome).Its out of LOVE that we should keep it not like because we have too. We as Christians should learn to HATE sin(the breaking of His Law), the thing that put Christ on the Cross.

God is Awesome Hallelujah. Lets praise His name and glorify Him in ALL that we do.

 

[truth speaker]

Hi bgsda,what are the first two commandments

 

[bgsda]

1. You shall not have no other gods beside me.

2.You shall not make unto thee any graven image,etc...

Exodus 20. Sorry if I've been coming across to you guys that we have to keep the Law to receive grace we dont. Grace is a FREE gift. What the Law is there for is like a mirror James 1:23For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholdinghis natural face in a glass:24For he beholdethhimself, and goeth his way , and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was . 25But whoso lookethinto the perfect LAW of liberty, and continueth therein, he beingnot a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

Its a mirror (the Law) that shows us how rotten and selfish and evil we are.(Rom.7:7). The Law helps us ,and points us to run to JESUS our Savior. Jesus came to save us FROM our sins Matt 1:21And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt callhis name JESUS: for he shall save his people FROM their sins.

Doesnt mean we disregard it. NO NOT AT ALL. Rom.3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid : yea, we establish the law. Jesus is the Way, TRuth, and life. JESUS is the only one that can save. But we have to not sin(break Gods Law /1John 3:4).

I'm pleading and praying for you guys to please consider kepping Gods Commandment or at least try. If we fall, like me, we can confess our sins (breaking Gods law) and He is faithful to forgive us. 1John 1:9. But we cannot openly and willingly continue to sin (break Gods Law) without consequences, eternal ones and physical ones. Heb. 10: 26For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,27But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

I dont like and want to see anyone deceived that is why I plead with you guys. God never looks at who calls his name and numbers. He looks at who is obedient. There are many examples in the Bible like:
1. Israels exodus in the wilderness, only 2 older people made it to the promised land. ONLY TWO out of about 3,000,000 they estimated
2.Noahs day and so on.

Also he has a standard which we have to live by. Many people thought that since He is a loving god he wouldn't mind:
1.Cain- brought what he thought was right before God and diobeyed
2. Moses- he hit the rock twice when Jesus told him once. Never made it to the promised land.
3. Uzziah-touched the Ark and God killed him right away
4 Sons of Aaron- brought there own fire before the Lord and so on

Oh New testament 1. Achan and his wife- kept a little of Gods money. 2. Judas and so on. See God looks for OBEDIENCE not some words that comes out of our mouths. God bless

 

[David777]

Hello bgsda.

A Christian by definition is a person who believes in Jesus Christ.

The Gospel is of primary importance it is vital!

In the Gospel we are saved not by being obedient.

In the Gospel we are saved not by any law.

In the Gospel we are saved not by human effort.

The Gospel does not say that those who persevere
are saved.

In this Gospel it does not even say that you must
know the scriptures.

It says we are saved only because we believe in
Jesus Christ. This the Gospel that the apostles
taught bgsda.

We must have clarity regarding the Gospel otherwise
error abounds. No addition to the eternal Gospel
can ever be tolerated not for one moment.

A Christian believes in Jesus Christ, that is the full
Gospel there is no other.

Only by faith in Jesus Christ, His death and resurrection.

There is no other way to be saved.

Now you must read the following extract from Galatians.

Galatians 5

16 But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh.

17 For the flesh sets its desire against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh;
for these are in opposition to one another, so that you may not do the things that you please.

18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law.

19 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality,

20 idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions,

21 envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have
forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,

23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.

24 Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.

Thus law has no place in the Spirit, the law is for the flesh.

Thus the target of the arrow of law is the works of the flesh.

Bgsda you do not have any idea what the Gospel really is.

A true remnant church does not exist in the Gospel and
I am afraid that you cannot be saved apart from the
Gospel.

Do you truly stand on the Gospel of Jesus, is he your
foundation. Do you worship Jesus bgsda?

This is why I stated that you do not have the Gospel.

If you had the Gospel of Grace you would automatically
know that we are saved by the Gospel.

Saved by the Gospel nothing else, like I said before
a church is a collection of believers.

We live and die for the Gospel.

The apostle were executed for the Gospel.

Our New Testament is the revelation of the Gospel
and only the Gospel bgsda.

Who has bewitched you, the sda.

Sda is not the Gospel.

By the way, you misquoted the first commandment.
What translation are you using?

 

[truth speaker]

Hi bgsda,the reason i asked you what the first two commandments were is because it tell alot about a person and their walk with God
Now the two commandments you quoted were of the old covenant of God,Now I'm sure we agree that Jesus Christ was God in the flesh With that being said I'm not sure if you understand why Jesus Christ was the perfect sacrifice,He walked straight and upright in the old law,he perfected it,he
was without sin.And then he was the perfect sacrifice,he did what n flesh could do and this was the end of the law,Now Jesus changed the first two commandments in Mark ch 12 vs 29 (And Jesus answered him,The first of all commandments is,Hear, O Israel;The Lord our God is one Lord 30 (And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart,and with all thy soul,and with all thy mind,and with all thy strength:this is the first
Commandment,) 31 (And the second is like,namely this,Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself,There is none other commandment greater than these.) Another prime example of commandment change Matthew 15 vs 21 (Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time,Thou shalt not kill;and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgement 22 (But I say unto you,That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgement:and whosoever shall say to his brother,Raca,shall be in danger of the council:but whosoever shall say,Thou fool,shall be in danger of hell fire.) These are the new commandments given by Jesus Christ,As i have shown with Scripture the old commandments have changed according to the word of Jesus Christ and his apostles,also note when Jesus was talking about the old law he called it just that
,Allow me to give you Scripture on where your law stands in the new covenant,Luke ch 18 vs 19 (And Jesus said unto him,Why callest thou me good?none is good,save one,that is,God) 20 (Thou knowest the commandments,Do not commit adultery,Do not kill,Do not steal,Do not bear false witness,Honour thy father and thy mother.) 21 (And he said,All these have i kept from my youth up.) 22 (when Jesus heard these things,he said unto him,Yet lackest thou one thing:sell all that thou hast,and distribute unto the poor,and thou shalt have treasure in heaven:and come,follow me.) 23 (And when he heard this,he was very sorrowful:for he was very rich.) 24 (And when Jesus saw that he was very sorrowful,he said,How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God!) As you can see while talking with Jesus about the kingdom of heaven the old commandments had no effect on his salvation. Faith,Hope,and,Charity And Charity is the greatest of all
I also agree with David 777,we are gentiles,And the baptism in Jesus Christ mighty name signifies being born again and becoming children of God