Does it matter what day we keep the Sabbath?

[judge not]

Thank you for your reply Judge not, sorry about the length of this post. You should read the whole post carefully judge not.

I noticed a serious misunderstanding in your reply.

This is what you stated,

Jews taught justification was only possible if they were physically circumcised-the Apostles opposed this way of thinking because Obedience to Law through physical means as a way of justification would imply faith in Christ as our redeemer is unnecessary.

It was not the "Jews", it was some Jewish believers in Jesus who taught that adherence to the law plus Jesus was necessary. This is what caused the debate judge not.

That is what Acts15:5 says judge not, “It is necessary to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.”

The Apostles correctly recognized that the law of Moses was not applicable to Gentile believers (uncircumcised). That is what the debate was all about judge not. Jesus plus circumcision plus the law of Moses, this is what some Jewish Christians were proclaiming. This is Jesus Christ plus legalism. Notice the phrase "and command them to keep the law of Moses", this is the same as Jesus plus the Ten Commandments, same deal, same legalism.

A type of legalism is where a person tries to keep or maintain his salvation by keeping a Mosaic law or a number of Mosaic laws. A person receives their salvation by faith (Eph 2:8-9), not by our ability to be good because no one does good (Rom 3:10-12).

As Rom 3:28, Rom 4:5, and Gal 2:21 clearly show, we are justified by faith, not by faith plus works. Or faith plus obedience to some or all laws. Furthermore, there are strict warnings about attempting to keep the law in order to maintain salvation: Gal. 3:10, “For as many as are of the works of the Law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not abide by all things written in the book of the law, to perform them.” If you state a sabbath is necessary then you are obligated to fulfill the whole law judge not.

And James 2:10, “For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all.” So, if a person is seeking to maintain his salvation by his works (a Law or Laws), then he is under obligation to keep all of the law, and if he does not then he is guilty before God.

Furthermore, consider Jesus’ words in

Matt. 7:22-23, “Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’

23 “And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.’” Jesus condemns them because they were appealing to their salvation based on their faith and doing good works. Notice they combine faith and works in order to be justified. Christians are justified by the Grace of God, sanctified by the work of the Holy Spirit. It is impossible to add the Ten Commandments to Salvation by Grace. It is a fatal error, the law condemns, the Spirit gives Life, the law was the shadow, Grace is the reality.

Look at the following verse,

Colossians 2:16

16 Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day

17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.

Let no one judge you regarding a Sabbath day, this Sabbath day is only a shadow. Christians are not under any law, or any commandment, they are new creations. Salvation is never Christ plus something, it is Christ alone.

James 2:17- " Even so faith, if it hath not works is dead, being alone."
Also verse 21- Was not Abraham our father justified by works....
verse22- seest thou how faith wrought with his works,and by works was faith made perfect
Good works cannot produce salvation, but they always accompany salvation.

 

[David777]

Round 6, ding...

Judge not the day of reckoning has arrived.

In an earlier post you stated the following remarkable information.

Around the 3rd and 4th centuries the Catholic church gained favor under Constantine the Great. It slowly incorporated customs adapted from pagan worship. Sunday became the day of worship based on the honoring of the sun god, a deity idolized by the masses in the Roman empire.
In 365 AD the council of Laodicea declared-Christians must not Judaize by resting on the Sabbath but must work that day and subsequently must celebrate the Lord's day on Sunday, the first day of the week.
Most theologians, catholic and protestants admit that Sunday observance can't be justified from the Scriptures
That's it in a nutshell

Is that right judge not?

Please quote the source for your first paragraph please.

I checked the day of the week when Christians gathered to celebrate the LORDS DAY. It was the day that Christ rose from the dead, Sunday judge not.

Here is what I found, remember you said the day was changed around the 3rd,4th centuries.

107AD IGNATIUS: let every friend of Christ keep the Lord's Day as a festival, the resurrection-day, the queen and chief of all the days of the week. (Ignatius, Epistle to the Magnesians, chp 9. Ante-Nicene Fathers , vol. 1, pg. 62-63.)

130AD BARNABAS: Moreover God says to the Jews, 'Your new moons and Sabbaths 1 cannot endure.' You see how he says, 'The present Sabbaths are not acceptable to me, but the Sabbath which I have made in which, when I have rested [heaven: Heb 4] from all things, I will make the beginning of the eighth day which is the beginning of another world.' Wherefore we Christians keep the eighth day for joy, on which also Jesus arose from the dead and when he appeared ascended into heaven. (15:8f, The Epistle of Barnabas, 100 AD, Ante-Nicene Fathers , vol. 1, pg. 147)

150AD JUSTIN: But Sunday is the day on which we hold our common assembly, because it is the first day of the week and Jesus our saviour on the same day rose from the dead. (First apology of Justin, Ch 68)

150AD JUSTIN: And on the day called Sunday there is a gathering together in the same place of all who live in a city or a rural district. ... We all make our assembly in common on the day of the Sun, since it is the first day, on which God changed the darkness and matter and made the world, and Jesus Christ our Savior arose from the dead on the same day. For they crucified him on the day before Saturn's day, and on the day after (which is the day of the Sun the appeared to his apostles and taught his disciples these things. (Apology, 1, 67:1-3, 7;
First Apology, 145 AD, Ante-Nicene Fathers , Vol. 1, pg. 186)

190AD CLEMENT OF ALEXANDRIA: He does the commandment according to the Gospel and keeps the Lord's day, whenever he puts away an evil mind . . . glorifying the Lord's resurrection in himself. (Vii.xii.76.4)

200AD TERTULLIAN: Others . . . suppose that the sun is the god of the Christians, because it is well-known that we regard Sunday as a day of joy. (To the Nations 1: 133)

225 AD The Didascalia "The apostles further appointed: On the first day of the week let there be service, and the reading of the Holy Scriptures, and the oblation, because on the first day of the week our Lord rose from the place of the dead, and on the first day of the week he arose upon the world, and on the first day of the week he ascended up to heaven, and on the first day of the week he will appear at last with the angels of heaven" (Didascalia 2).

300AD EUSEBIUS: [The Ebionites] were accustomed to observe the Sabbath and other Jewish customs but on the Lord's days to celebrate the same practices as we in remembrance of the resurrection of the Savior. (Church History Ill.xxvii.5)

300 AD Eusebius of Caesarea "The day of his [Christ's] light . . . was the day of his resurrection from the dead, which they say, as being the one and only truly holy day and the Lord's day (Proof of the Gospel 4:16:186).

So it is obvious that the churches have always celebrated on the day the Lord rose judge not. I do need to know the source you have cited.

 

[jiggyfly]

The Colossian church was primarily gentile. "regarding the festivals, and new moons and sabbaths" let no man judge you. But was Paul addressing the Law of the old Testament?
Could Paul who earlier in Romans7:12 describing God's law as " holy and just and good " be referring to the same law in Colossians with its references to principalities and powers and worshiping angels?
Colossians2 is actually a condemnation of an ascetic human philosophy, not a discussion of which laws are binding for Christians.
Remember Paul was right in the heart of pagan territory.

One thing on Sabbath observance in the New Testament's epistles is that there was never any conflict over which day to keep.
This silence of the NT epistles on the subject of the Sabbath, if anything, supports the Sabbathkeepers' position.
Surely the Pharisaic believers who caused such a stir over circumcision Acts 15 would have loudly voiced their objections had the early Christians abandoned the Sabbath or have it celebrated on whatever day they chose,
Yet, no such objection is recorded in the New Testament.

You skipped 2Cor.3, care to try again?

 

[judge not]

Judge not the day of reckoning has arrived.

In an earlier post you stated the following remarkable information.

Around the 3rd and 4th centuries the Catholic church gained favor under Constantine the Great. It slowly incorporated customs adapted from pagan worship. Sunday became the day of worship based on the honoring of the sun god, a deity idolized by the masses in the Roman empire.
In 365 AD the council of Laodicea declared-Christians must not Judaize by resting on the Sabbath but must work that day and subsequently must celebrate the Lord's day on Sunday, the first day of the week.
Most theologians, catholic and protestants admit that Sunday observance can't be justified from the Scriptures
That's it in a nutshell

Is that right judge not?

Please quote the source for your first paragraph please.

I checked the day of the week when Christians gathered to celebrate the LORDS DAY. It was the day that Christ rose from the dead, Sunday judge not.

Here is what I found, remember you said the day was changed around the 3rd,4th centuries.

107AD IGNATIUS: let every friend of Christ keep the Lord's Day as a festival, the resurrection-day, the queen and chief of all the days of the week. (Ignatius, Epistle to the Magnesians, chp 9. Ante-Nicene Fathers , vol. 1, pg. 62-63.)

130AD BARNABAS: Moreover God says to the Jews, 'Your new moons and Sabbaths 1 cannot endure.' You see how he says, 'The present Sabbaths are not acceptable to me, but the Sabbath which I have made in which, when I have rested [heaven: Heb 4] from all things, I will make the beginning of the eighth day which is the beginning of another world.' Wherefore we Christians keep the eighth day for joy, on which also Jesus arose from the dead and when he appeared ascended into heaven. (15:8f, The Epistle of Barnabas, 100 AD, Ante-Nicene Fathers , vol. 1, pg. 147)

150AD JUSTIN: But Sunday is the day on which we hold our common assembly, because it is the first day of the week and Jesus our saviour on the same day rose from the dead. (First apology of Justin, Ch 68)

150AD JUSTIN: And on the day called Sunday there is a gathering together in the same place of all who live in a city or a rural district. ... We all make our assembly in common on the day of the Sun, since it is the first day, on which God changed the darkness and matter and made the world, and Jesus Christ our Savior arose from the dead on the same day. For they crucified him on the day before Saturn's day, and on the day after (which is the day of the Sun the appeared to his apostles and taught his disciples these things. (Apology, 1, 67:1-3, 7;
First Apology, 145 AD, Ante-Nicene Fathers , Vol. 1, pg. 186)

190AD CLEMENT OF ALEXANDRIA: He does the commandment according to the Gospel and keeps the Lord's day, whenever he puts away an evil mind . . . glorifying the Lord's resurrection in himself. (Vii.xii.76.4)

200AD TERTULLIAN: Others . . . suppose that the sun is the god of the Christians, because it is well-known that we regard Sunday as a day of joy. (To the Nations 1: 133)

225 AD The Didascalia "The apostles further appointed: On the first day of the week let there be service, and the reading of the Holy Scriptures, and the oblation, because on the first day of the week our Lord rose from the place of the dead, and on the first day of the week he arose upon the world, and on the first day of the week he ascended up to heaven, and on the first day of the week he will appear at last with the angels of heaven" (Didascalia 2).

300AD EUSEBIUS: [The Ebionites] were accustomed to observe the Sabbath and other Jewish customs but on the Lord's days to celebrate the same practices as we in remembrance of the resurrection of the Savior. (Church History Ill.xxvii.5)

300 AD Eusebius of Caesarea "The day of his [Christ's] light . . . was the day of his resurrection from the dead, which they say, as being the one and only truly holy day and the Lord's day (Proof of the Gospel 4:16:186).

So it is obvious that the churches have always celebrated on the day the Lord rose judge not. I do need to know the source you have cited.

the problem is your sources are non-biblical(non inspired writings)
The trouble with your summary is that the resurrection was not on Sunday-it was late Saturday afternoon-Biblical scholars agree that Jesus said He would be in the ground(dead) 3 days and 3 nights using Jonah in the whale comparison and this would be the sign he would use to show he was the Messiah, the Christ. The Apostles continued observing the 7th day Sabbath for the rest of their lives along with the NT church. While Jesus was with the Apostles teaching them those things that were necessary before the ascension. the change to Sunday you would think would have been enacted at that time by the Apostles.
Part of the clue to understanding the time frame of the crucifixion and the resurrection is that holydays are called Sabbaths as well. All of these events were happening during the Passover.
I'll explain later why most people have been on the wrong track and misled but for now it's off to work-I owe, I owe

 

[judge not]

Do the ten commandments apply to Christians?

Read what the apostles had to say on this matter.

Acts 15

5 But some of the sect of the Pharisees who believed rose up,
saying, “It is necessary to circumcise them, and to command them to
keep the law of Moses.”

Note line 5, it says the "law of Moses", this includes the ten commandments.

This caused much debate, does the Law of Moses apply to Gentiles that believe in Jesus?

When you consider the problem it is evident that there was tremendous confusion
over this problem. What Laws apply to the non circumcised believers?

This was the great issue in the time of the apostles!

The Jerusalem Council, considered this problem and worked out the solution.

Now we continue on in the book of Acts to discover the solution.

6 Now the apostles and elders came together to consider this matter.

7 And when there had been much dispute, Peter rose up and said to them:
“Men and brethren, you know that a good while ago God chose among us,
that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe.

8 So God, who knows the heart, acknowledged them by giving them the Holy Spirit,
just as He did to us,

9 and made no distinction between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.

10 Now therefore, why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples
which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved
in the same manner as they.

After the solution had been found the Gentile Churches had to be notified.

This is how the letter to these churches was worded.

The apostles, the elders, and the brethren,
To the brethren who are of the Gentiles in Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia:

Greetings.

24 Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words,
unsettling your souls, saying,

“You must be circumcised and keep the law”—to whom we gave no such commandment—

25 it seemed good to us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men to you with
our beloved Barnabas and Paul,

26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.

27 We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who will also report the same things by word of mouth.

28 For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden
than these necessary things:

29 that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled,
and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well.

This is the decree of the Apostles, what should Gentile believers abstain from, sexual immorality.

Christian fellowship and the breaking of bread is allowed seven days a week if you wish.

It is not a matter of Sunday or a Saturday for Gentile believers.

End of argument, anyone who says otherwise is in error and should take it up with the apostles.

This is a late response to this earlier post-sorry for the delay
Do the Ten Commandments apply to Christians?

Did the Apostle Paul teach obedience to the 1st Commandment?-yes
Ephesians4:5-6, 1Tim1:17
Is idolatry , the Second Commandment mentioned?-yes
2Cor6:16-17
Did God teach that taking God's name in vain was a sin?-yes
1Tim1:19-20
Does the 4th Commandment remain in effect for the people of God?yes
Hebrews4:9
Did Paul teach about the 5th Commandment?-yes
Eph6:1-3
What about the last 5 commandments-did Paul mention them?-yes
Rom13:9-10
When Jesus was asked what must we do to be saved
He said keep the Commandments
The true saints are described as those who keep the commandments of God-Rev14:12
This barely touches on the Ten Commandments in the New testament. I would rather listen to what Jesus said then interpreting certain scripture to justify why the Ten Commandments don't apply anymore

 

[eddieb]

Sunday, Saturday-what difference does it make?
Some Christians observe Saturday, the seventh day of the week,while others, the majority, observe Sunday, the first day of the week
We know the Sabbath was made at creation-it was made for mankind.
The Sabbath was to be a sign between God and his people.
The Sabbath was to be a perpetual covenant.
The Sabbath was being kept long before the Ten Commandments were written in stone,
Jesus kept the Sabbath and His followers kept the seventh day Sabbath long after His death and resurrection.
The early New Testament church kept the Sabbath and since Christ and the Apostles continued to uphold this original Old testament law, the only conclusion we can come to is we should be keeping it as well.
What changed? And when?

you quoted right when you said the sabbath is made for man. however the key part of this you left off... it is for man *to enter into his rest* thats the purpose of the sabbath. God entered rest after he was done with creation. if God needed it so do we.
i dont think it matters so much if you believe saturday is the
true sabbath or if we keep the sabbath on sunday because its the first day of the week and we are to give God our first. or if you believe sunday is now-a-days the last day of the week. none of that is as important as entering his rest.
we are to labor 6 days and enter in his rest on the seventh.

 

[El Hombre viejo]

One thing to remember is that the sabbath was created for man, not man for the sabbath. When Jesus was on the earth, he often healed the sick and performed miracles on the sabbath; and this infuriated the pharisees and religious hypocrites.

Another time Jesus went into the synagogue, and a man with a shriveled hand was there. Some of them were looking for a reason to accuse Jesus, so they watched him closely to see if he would heal him on the Sabbath. Jesus said to the man with the shriveled hand, “Stand up in front of everyone.”
Then Jesus asked them, “Which is lawful on the Sabbath: to do good or to do evil, to save life or to kill?” But they remained silent.

He looked around at them in anger and, deeply distressed at their stubborn hearts, said to the man, “Stretch out your hand.” He stretched it out, and his hand was completely restored. Then the Pharisees went out and began to plot with the Herodians how they might kill Jesus. - Mark 3:1-6

Good answer!! Thank you

 

[Brother Mike]

commandments.

Judge Not:

When Jesus was asked what must we do to be saved
He said keep the Commandments

could we have that scripture? Mark 10?

Jesus said if you love me, you will keep my commandments. Was there 10, or did Jesus tell about 2 on which hang all the law?

Jesus Is Lord.

 

[David777]

Round 7 ding...

This is part of your post judge not,

Did the Apostle Paul teach obedience to the 1st Commandment?-yes
Ephesians4:5-6, 1Tim1:17
Is idolatry , the Second Commandment mentioned?-yes
2Cor6:16-17

I will examine your first two claims:

1) Did Paul teach the first commandment in Ephesians 4:5-6
and 1 Timothy 1:17.

2) Did Paul teach the second commandment in 2 Corinthians 6:16-17.

Starting with claim 1), here is Exodus 20:1 and Ephesians 4:4-6.

Exodus 20:1 You shall have no other gods before me.

Ephesians 4:4-6

4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling;

5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism;

6 one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

I do not see any similarity between Exodus 20:1. and Ephesians 4:4-6

The meaning of these two versus, Exodus 20:1 and Ephesians 4:4-6.

Exodus 20:1, says you shall not honor other Gods. (first commandment)

Ephesians 4:5-6, Paul is discussing the unity of the Spirit. (not the first commandment)

Your statement that Paul is stating the first commandment is wrong, these are
different versus about different topics. I need the source of your erroneous theology
judge not, why do you refuse to declare the source of your misinformation.

_____________________________________________________________

Now for the comparison between Exodus 20:1 and 1 Timothy 17,

Exodus 20:1, says you shall not honor other Gods.
(prohibition of honor towards other Gods)

1 Timothy 17

Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, to God who alone is wise,
be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen.

1 Timothy 17, statement of praise of the eternal King.

Once again your statement that Paul is quoting the first commandment is erroneous.
I need to know the source you are using judge not.

_______________________________________________________

Now for your next statement regarding idolatry the second
commandment. You quoted 2 Corinthians 6:16-17 and of course
I will include Exodus 20:2. Further I will include two extra verses
from 2 Corinthians to ensure context.

Exodus 20:2

You shall not make for yourself any carved image, or any likeness of anything
that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water
under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them.
For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers
on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate me,
but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

2 Corinthians 6:14-17

14 Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers.
For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness?
And what communion has light with darkness?

15 And what accord has Christ with Belial?
Or what part has a believer with an unbeliever?

16 And what agreement has the temple of God with idols?
For you are the temple of the living God.
As God has said:
“I will dwell in them
And walk among them.
I will be their God,
And they shall be My people.”

17 Therefore “Come out from among them, And be separate, says the Lord.
Do not touch what is unclean, and I will receive you.”

The meaning of these two verses Exodus 20:2 and 2 Corinthians 6:14-17

Exodus 20:2, do not construct images of Heaven or Earth or the ocean and do not worship them.

2 Corinthians 6:14-17, do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers.

There is zero similarity between your scriptural quotes.

2 Corinthians 6:14-17 has no alliance with Exodus 20:2.

2 Corinthians 6:14-17 is not about the manufacture of idols.

I am again appalled at your ridiculous attempt to weave
the ten commandments into the New Testament.

I demand judge not that you reply to this post.
It appears that you are distorting the scriptures!

 

[judge not]

Judge Not:


could we have that scripture? Mark 10?

Jesus said if you love me, you will keep my commandments. Was there 10, or did Jesus tell about 2 on which hang all the law?

Jesus Is Lord.

Brother Mike:

I was using Matthew 19:16-19 because I believe it to be one of the clearest regarding the Ten Commandments.
The person then asked exactly which commandments Jesus meant.
Was Jesus referring to the Ten Commandments-His answer left no doubt.
When asked which ones, Jesus responded: " You shall not murder," "You shall not commit adultery," "You shall not steal," "You shall not bear false witness," "Honor your father and mother," and " You shall love your neighbor as yourself "
jn

 

[Truehearts]

Christians can learn to follow their Conscience, and obey the light they are given. If that means keeping a Sabbath day Holy, then do so with conviction, faithfully before God. It's not your right to determine what light others have, or force your faith and convictions on them.

Yes, and seriously,If it is in your conviction for it to be that particular day, then thats great. I think its really not important to unravel what the real Sabbath day is, history changed it so its saturday..Sunday?? But does one really keeps that day, or its just for the sake of calling that it the that day.

 

[judge not]

This is part of your post judge not,

Did the Apostle Paul teach obedience to the 1st Commandment?-yes
Ephesians4:5-6, 1Tim1:17
Is idolatry , the Second Commandment mentioned?-yes
2Cor6:16-17

I will examine your first two claims:

1) Did Paul teach the first commandment in Ephesians 4:5-6
and 1 Timothy 1:17.

2) Did Paul teach the second commandment in 2 Corinthians 6:16-17.

Starting with claim 1), here is Exodus 20:1 and Ephesians 4:4-6.

Exodus 20:1 You shall have no other gods before me.

Ephesians 4:4-6

4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling;

5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism;

6 one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

I do not see any similarity between Exodus 20:1. and Ephesians 4:4-6

The meaning of these two versus, Exodus 20:1 and Ephesians 4:4-6.

Exodus 20:1, says you shall not honor other Gods. (first commandment)

Ephesians 4:5-6, Paul is discussing the unity of the Spirit. (not the first commandment)

Your statement that Paul is stating the first commandment is wrong, these are
different versus about different topics. I need the source of your erroneous theology
judge not, why do you refuse to declare the source of your misinformation.

_____________________________________________________________

Now for the comparison between Exodus 20:1 and 1 Timothy 17,

Exodus 20:1, says you shall not honor other Gods.
(prohibition of honor towards other Gods)

1 Timothy 17

Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, to God who alone is wise,
be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen.

1 Timothy 17, statement of praise of the eternal King.

Once again your statement that Paul is quoting the first commandment is erroneous.
I need to know the source you are using judge not.

_______________________________________________________

Now for your next statement regarding idolatry the second
commandment. You quoted 2 Corinthians 6:16-17 and of course
I will include Exodus 20:2. Further I will include two extra verses
from 2 Corinthians to ensure context.

Exodus 20:2

You shall not make for yourself any carved image, or any likeness of anything
that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water
under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them.
For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers
on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate me,
but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

2 Corinthians 6:14-17

14 Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers.
For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness?
And what communion has light with darkness?

15 And what accord has Christ with Belial?
Or what part has a believer with an unbeliever?

16 And what agreement has the temple of God with idols?
For you are the temple of the living God.
As God has said:
“I will dwell in them
And walk among them.
I will be their God,
And they shall be My people.”

17 Therefore “Come out from among them, And be separate, says the Lord.
Do not touch what is unclean, and I will receive you.”

The meaning of these two verses Exodus 20:2 and 2 Corinthians 6:14-17

Exodus 20:2, do not construct images of Heaven or Earth or the ocean and do not worship them.

2 Corinthians 6:14-17, do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers.

There is zero similarity between your scriptural quotes.

2 Corinthians 6:14-17 has no alliance with Exodus 20:2.

2 Corinthians 6:14-17 is not about the manufacture of idols.

I am again appalled at your ridiculous attempt to weave
the ten commandments into the New Testament.

I demand judge not that you reply to this post.
It appears that you are distorting the scriptures!

If you look at my last post to Brother Mike you will see Jesus is the one weaving, as you call it, the Ten Commandments into the New Testament.
My source, or authority is the King James Bible, although I've used the encyclopedias or Bible dictionaries on occasion.
My first quote was did Paul teach OBEDIENCE to the 1st Commandment
I only quoted Ephesians4:5,6, and I believe One Lord, One God ,and father of all in those verses confirms teaching our God only should be the focus of our worship.
I quoted 2Cor6rimarily zeroing in on verse 16-And what agreement hath the temple of God with IDOLS-for ye are the temple of the living God.
I want to do a little more research on the Ten Commandments in the NT and I hope to find more substantiating proof that you would agree on.
In my mind I hope I'm not distorting anything-and if you'll have more patience with me maybe we'll find some common ground.
what is your take on 1John 2:3-5.
" And hereby we do know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments....................."
If you care to respond I won't be able to answer until sometime tomorrow.
If others following this thread have any further scripture regarding the Ten Commandments in the New testament, please feel free to quote them for further discussion.
Goodnight.
jn

 

[Brother Mike]

Ok.

Thank you Judge Not, I got ya.

So what about the 2 Love commandments? Would that not cover most of the 10 commandments?

If you want to keep a Sabbath day, then fine, I just don't want to cross a line of putting people under some religious law.

Jesus Is Lord.

 

[judge not]

You know, there are some amazing people on this forum. When I started this thread I thought it would be a walk in the park. But contributors like jiggyfly, David777, and Brother Mike really make you work to find the closest shred of truth. I could be wrong on some things, and hopefully right on others but the main thing is that we are all striving to show what is right. I don't think God can ask for more than that. It's a pleasure and like they say-no pain, no gain.
Who has challenged me enough to change my perspective, I don't know yet. Let's see who will be the last man standing
" But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ........."2Peter 3:18

jn

 

[jiggyfly]

Judge Not, I have asked a couple of times what you think about 2 Cor. 3

7 The old way, with laws etched in stone, led to death, though it began with such glory that the people of Israel could not bear to look at Moses’ face. For his face shone with the glory of God, even though the brightness was already fading away.8 Shouldn’t we expect far greater glory under the new way, now that the Holy Spirit is giving life?9 If the old way, which brings condemnation, was glorious, how much more glorious is the new way, which makes us right with God!10 In fact, that first glory was not glorious at all compared with the overwhelming glory of the new way.11 So if the old way, which has been replaced, was glorious, how much more glorious is the new, which remains forever!
2 Cor 3:7-11 (NLT)

Care to explain now how Paul taught that the ten commandments were outside of the law and are to be kept today?

 

[Brother Mike]

The Law and the Prophets.

Judge Not:

You know, there are some amazing people on this forum. When I started this thread I thought it would be a walk in the park. But contributors like jiggyfly, David777, and Brother Mike really make you work to find the closest shred of truth. I could be wrong on some things, and hopefully right on others but the main thing is that we are all striving to show what is right. I don't think God can ask for more than that.

Judge Not, it's not about "Who's Right" It's about your heart, and convictions the Lord has placed in you. We are not under following the Jewish Law. We are free in Christ. Now, if you see that keeping the Sabbath is what the Lord would Like you to do, then you better do that.

I see two commandments. Love God with everything, and Love your neighbor as yourself.

I am not stealing, murdering, coveting, or sleeping with my neighbor. It breaks that love command. I won't have idols, or go consult physics for answers. I love God. Keeping a day unto God to me falls under tradition. What day do I not get up and say what you want to do today Lord? Everyday is your day.

So what do you think about tithing?

When I bring that up, then I get jumped on, but I believe God called it stealing, and that falls under breaking that love command for me. God never said anywhere he decided that was not actually stealing from him. So, I tithe, not to keep the law, but God also said I will be blessed if I do. Everything that comes in, God gets his 10% first. That is before we consider anything else.

So what do you think? It could be something that is not a must do thing, but a conviction thing.

Jiggyfly really wants you to answer his questions though..... I did not mean to tread under him.

Jesus Is Lord.

 

[lawrenceb]

the simplicity that is in Christ

Sunday, Saturday-what difference does it make?
Some Christians observe Saturday, the seventh day of the week,while others, the majority, observe Sunday, the first day of the week
We know the Sabbath was made at creation-it was made for mankind.
The Sabbath was to be a sign between God and his people.
The Sabbath was to be a perpetual covenant.
The Sabbath was being kept long before the Ten Commandments were written in stone,
Jesus kept the Sabbath and His followers kept the seventh day Sabbath long after His death and resurrection.
The early New Testament church kept the Sabbath and since Christ and the Apostles continued to uphold this original Old testament law, the only conclusion we can come to is we should be keeping it as well.
What changed? And when?

This is being posted because we as Christians are living in a very peculiar time. In these last days prior to the return of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, there is such confusion among so many well meaning and Christian-minded people, and one great point of confusion and contention is regarding the Sabbath.

I have personally been confronted by people who condemned me and my ministry because I did not keep the Sabbath the way they were trying to keep it. There is extremism in any belief system, and that extremism occurs when proponents of a belief system do not accept the whole council of God. In this post, we will look at the whole council of God on the subject of the Sabbath, which will bring forth a clear understanding of what it is and how it must be kept.

We will now go back to the origin of the Sabbath at the time of the creation as told at the beginning of the book of Genesis. In Genesis 2:1-3 we read, "Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made."

One thing that should be immediately noticed is that all of the preceding six days end with the following words, "And the evening and the morning were the (1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, or 6th) day." We do not find these words of finality or summation ending the seventh day, because in a perfect world, everyday thereafter would be a condition of Sabbath or rest and repose. That day was open-ended! Only sin could take away that condition of Sabbath or rest that was meant for everyday, and sadly, that is exactly what happened. Later, we will see how our Lord Jesus restored the perpetual and continual Sabbath to our souls.

The first time we see the word "Sabbath" is in the book of Exodus, and in Exodus 20:8-11, we find that it is given as one of the Ten Commandments as follows: "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it."

One primary point that must be noted regarding the Sabbath commandment is that it has nothing to do with going to church! It has only to do with the cessation from work. Nothing more and nothing less. Sinful man was ordered to do nothing on the seventh day. Thus, one day each week he would not be out there committing sin after sin after sin. It was a "do nothing" day, established as such until the Savior would come to give us victory over sin every day of the week and establish rest for our souls by his spirit dwelling within. This could be made possible only through a New Covenant established by the blood of the Lamb of God!

The Old Testament is replete with examples of Sabbath commandments, but in every example, it is under the Old Covenant of a single day of rest, which by the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ has given way to a Sabbath, where every day is one where we cease from our old works. The Old Covenant, according to Hebrews 8:13, is no more! It reads as follows: "In that he saith, a New Covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away."

In Galatians 3:24-25, we are exhorted "Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are NO LONGER UNDER THE SCHOOLMASTER." Thus, the law could lead us to Christ but no further! Those who think that they are keeping the Sabbath as a day must remember that James 2:10 says, "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all." The only one who has ever kept the Sabbath perfectly is Jesus Christ. Man cannot do what He did in keeping the law. The Lord Jesus took the law to Calvary as well as the sin of the world. It was there that the law and all transgressions met, and He bore the sin of many. See Isaiah 53.

Is there a Sabbath after Calvary? Yes! Hebrews 4:9-10 says, "There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his." There are two words not found in those verses, "Sabbath" and "day." It is because our rest is no longer a calendar day each week, but every day, which includes the seventh, and thus we keep the Sabbath by living a godly and blood-washed life every day. For we have ceased from our old works. Some people who haven't come to an understanding of what covenant they are under will point out that Paul often went into the synagogues on the Sabbath. If we look at those incidents, however, we see that it was to bring those who hear out of the synagogue and that system of death. Here is what Paul the Apostle said about the seventh day as found in Romans 14:5-6: "One man esteemeth one day above another, another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord, and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it."

We know that the Sabbath law is fulfilled in Jesus Christ and He abides within us. The seventh day Sabbath was not eliminated but fulfilled, and our Savior added six more days to that rest and gave us the timelessness of eternal life. Thus, the seventh day is kept holy with all the other days. We can worship our Lord any day and every day. We know that Sunday is not the Sabbath but rather one of seven days, any of which can be used for worship. Acts 20:7 says, "And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight."

It is my humble prayer that all who read this will realize the joy of keeping all seven days of the week holy and thus fulfill the sacred commandment; for it is not our works but the finished work of Christ that has established the eternal timeless Sabbath of the New Covenant by the power of His blood.

-- Brother David

 

[David777]

Judge not, you asked me for my take on;

1 John 2:3-5

3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.

4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him.

Whose commandments, well that is straight forward what Jesus commanded us to do.

It is certainly not the Ten Commandments as the following passages demonstrate.

Romans 7 (NKJV)

4 Therefore, my brethren, you also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ, that you may be married to another—to Him who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to God.

5 For when we were in the flesh, the sinful passions which were aroused by the law were at work in our members to bear fruit to death.

6 But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by, so that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter.

The true Commandments according to Jesus are as follows judge not;

Matthew 22:36-40

36 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?”

37 Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’

38 This is the first and great commandment.

39 And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’

40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”

Here is another judge not;

Matthew 7:12

12 Therefore, whatever you want men to do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.

And another;

John 3

7 Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’

See how the commandments of Jesus surpass the Ten Commandments.

I am not sure how many commandments Jesus gave but
I think there were three dozen or more.

Jesus was the fulfillment of the Law for the Jews.
That means the Law of Moses is obsolete.

God honored His side of the Covenant with Israel.

For us Gentiles that were excluded from the Old Covenant,
excluded from the Commonwealth of Israel and excluded
from the law of Moses.

We also have been granted Salvation in Jesus Christ, this
is the great revelation that Paul recieved. Both Jew and
Gentile are drawn equally through Jesus Christ.

That is why the Holy Spirit was poured out upon the
Gentiles which the apostles witnessed.

 

[judge not]

Judge Not:


Judge Not, it's not about "Who's Right" It's about your heart, and convictions the Lord has placed in you. We are not under following the Jewish Law. We are free in Christ. Now, if you see that keeping the Sabbath is what the Lord would Like you to do, then you better do that.

I see two commandments. Love God with everything, and Love your neighbor as yourself.

I am not stealing, murdering, coveting, or sleeping with my neighbor. It breaks that love command. I won't have idols, or go consult physics for answers. I love God. Keeping a day unto God to me falls under tradition. What day do I not get up and say what you want to do today Lord? Everyday is your day.

So what do you think about tithing?

When I bring that up, then I get jumped on, but I believe God called it stealing, and that falls under breaking that love command for me. God never said anywhere he decided that was not actually stealing from him. So, I tithe, not to keep the law, but God also said I will be blessed if I do. Everything that comes in, God gets his 10% first. That is before we consider anything else.

So what do you think? It could be something that is not a must do thing, but a conviction thing.

Jiggyfly really wants you to answer his questions though..... I did not mean to tread under him.

Jesus Is Lord.

Good day-well first thing I don't believe it's just a 'Jewish Sabbath" its a Sabbath for mankind-it was kept long before the Jews were around.

but on the new Commandment Jesus gave us in John13:34-35 -"that you love one another , as I have loved you...."
Jesus already summarized God's law as love-breaking it into two great principles from the Old Testament-Love God with all your heart...and love your neighbor as yourself-these 2 hinge on the Ten Commandment.
The first four Commandments have to do with love for God and the Last 2 have to do with love for your neigbor
Jesus shed a new light on the spiritual intent and the commandments
more later-

But on Tithing;
Tithing is an act of worship, it's a private matter between you and God. we have a responsibility to honor the Lord with substance and with the firstfruits of his increase if we can. 2Cor9:7

jn

 

[judge not]

Judge Not, I have asked a couple of times what you think about 2 Cor. 3

7 The old way, with laws etched in stone, led to death, though it began with such glory that the people of Israel could not bear to look at Moses’ face. For his face shone with the glory of God, even though the brightness was already fading away.8 Shouldn’t we expect far greater glory under the new way, now that the Holy Spirit is giving life?9 If the old way, which brings condemnation, was glorious, how much more glorious is the new way, which makes us right with God!10 In fact, that first glory was not glorious at all compared with the overwhelming glory of the new way.11 So if the old way, which has been replaced, was glorious, how much more glorious is the new, which remains forever!
2 Cor 3:7-11 (NLT)

Care to explain now how Paul taught that the ten commandments were outside of the law and are to be kept today?

Sorry for the delay.
But the way I see 2Cor3 Paul devotes most of this chapter explaining the important difference in the administration of some of the laws written in the Old Testament. I dont see it as saying the Laws are abolished. But the application of their text sometimes has to be applied in a way that is compatible with the New Covenant.
what do you think Jesus meant in Matrthew 5:17 when He said
" Think not that I am come to destroy the Law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil " ?