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GOD Makes You Sick to Teach You Stuff

Please! Give me viable scriptures that say GOD blew out my thyroid when I was miles back in the woods, causing me months in the hospital, and almost going bankrupt because of it, just to teach me something. And scriptures to show why GOD would put you in a position where your very life is in jeopardy to teach you something and then keep it secret what HE wants you to learn. Because you know that HE never tells you what it is......
I can give you pages of scriptures that say GOD heals. That by JESUS stripes we WERE healed! Just because we receive it.


Your turn!

I won't be able to do that but I can tell you there are many factors to why people do get sick, and because of the neglect of these things we will continue to breed new diseases.

Some factors that make us sick.

Pollution , air and water.
Some things that cause air pollution; Combustion Engine Exhaust, Factories, Petroleum, power lines, pesticides, radioactive fallout , Fertilizer dust, indoor pollutants ( paint, spray etc. ) Mining operation, Mills and Plants..( short list taken from Nicky Lamarco)

Things that cause water pollution,
Industrial waste, oil spills, littering etc.

Global Water Pollution
● Every day, 2 million tons of sewage and industrial and agricultural waste are discharged into the world’s water (UN WWAP 2003), the equivalent of the weight of the entire human population of 6.8 billion people.
● The UN estimates that the amount of wastewater produced annually is about 1,500 km3, six times more water than exists in all the rivers of the world. (UN WWAP 2003)

In Southern Asia, 63% of rural people – 778 million people – practice open defecation. ..http://www.pacinst.org/reports/water_quality/water_quality_facts_and_stats.pdf
There's a documentary called World's toilet crisis, that is crazy. It's not a Christian documentary so please don't return after watching and say anything. Unfortunately christians are not making these documentaries. He repeats one word that annoys me instead of using the word faeces/feces he uses something else.

Does the water around these defecated banks remain there or do they travel throughout the world ?

Although the media does a great job depicting the savage barbaric african pirates they fail to mention how for centuries large countries have use the african shores as a dump for nuclear waste, industrial waste etc. In a system that is called toxic colonialism.
The then Executive Director of UNEP, Dr. Mostafa Tolba, confirmed that European companies had been taking advantage of the on-going political chaos and civil war in Somalia in order to dump illegally hazardous toxic wastes onto the country’s long coasts. ( Taken from a written report called ...THE EVIDENCE OF TOXIC AND RADIOACTIVE WASTES DUMPING IN SOMALIA AND ITS IMPACT ON THE ENJOYMENT OF HUMAN RIGHTS: A CASE STUDY
Bashir Mohamed Hussein, PhD.)


Lets not forgot the fluoride that is added to your drinking water whether you like it or not.

The food we eat
Preservatives
Synthetic Ingredients
Residue from pesticides
Genetically modified foods ( there is no law in the Unites States of America that commands food manufactures and distributors to state on the LABELS if the food is natural or GMO, if the seed used to plant the crop contains animal, plant, human and synthetic genes. Is the carrot real or not, is the apple real or not you will NEVER know )
Your fruits and veggies are waxed to give a healthy glow, preserve freshness and reduce discoloration. Can you tell me the ingredients of that wax ?
http://www.talkjesus.com/streaming-...rolling-our-food-shocking-truth-must-see.html


I gave you 3 main factors to why people get sick.
The pollution in our air and water.
While we are asleep, thank God for organizations like Green peace for bringing change to our environment and exposing those who care more about profits than human health. But rizen why should I care it's not happening in my backyard or country? You don't we have free will, but when your grandkids are exposed to new diseases feel free to use the old saying that " it's God's will" and hide the truth that your lifestyle is the reason for her polluted environment and sickness. Here's some more reading.

Undercover operation exposes illegal dumping of e-waste in Nigeria

A FIFTEEN-YEAR TOXIC SCANDAL
Italian Hazardous Waste in Sinop and Samsun, Turkey


The toxic ships
The Italian hub, the Mediterranean area and Africa


The third Factor our food.
The day man stopped growing his own food, was the day he lost all power. If you grow your own food, you know what's inside of it. How can you eat food that's being transported from another continent, from a farmer you do not know, to a manufacturer and distributor who under law do not need to disclose the identity and genes that make up their food and expect your body to be healthy?
The carbon footprint caused by our food journeys is damaging.

Discovery of Bt insecticide in human blood proves GMO toxin a threat to human health,...University of Sherbrooke, Canada, recently found Bt toxin, a component of certain genetically-modified (GM) crops, in human blood samples..continue here



Now you ask me to give you scripture to prove God made you sick for his glory and I can not. If in your life you've been exposed to PCBs or your family members, it can past down to you in your blood. Is there any factories where you live, work ? What is the level of PCBs in your area ? In the woods is there any history of illegal or improper dumping of PCB wastes ?

I ask all of this because if we visit a toxicologist, we'd be surprise to find pesticides banned before we were born, the level of toxins in our bodies and levels of PCBs. These toxins are past down from mother to child.

Until we learn what's going on in our bodies and environment, blaming God will keep us ignorance to fill hospital beds. I watch a friend die July 5th 2011, I watch a doctor speak gibberish to his wife and not provide real answers, I watch a handsome young man breathe his last breathe. I stood there speechless knowing I couldn't do anything, I stood there angry cause I didnt get to say goodbye, I stood there happy when I found out he did something for me that I'll never forget. His family sickness finally took it's last victim. Him not wanting to have kids I thought was selfish cause now his wife is alone, but he knew when he died that sickness will also die. The doctors still have no name for it. I don't care about the name of the disease I want to know the cause. In that bed when he was breathing I did not see God's glory. In that bed when they pulled the plug ( to make the bed available ) and he died I did not see God's glory. Instead it made me question, the drugs they gave him, the drugs his parents took before they pass, the toxins that were in his body. Did he live near waste dump in Hungary? where did his grandfather work, was he exposed to dangerous chemicals? Was something in the water that made the family sick? What made his body different from mine and how do I protect my body.

When we say yes it's God, we leave no room to truly test all things. For if it's God, then there's no questions to ask or answers to find.

Can we truly say this method, " God did it " is the truth and final conclusion ? Are we searching for a security blanket to get comfort when we lose a love one ?

It's God's will so it's ok.
Are we truly ok ?
When we neglect to look at other denominators that have a history, scientific findings that point to a cause for sickness are we hurting ourselves and putting our descendants in danger ?
Is the comfort of knowing God had a plan in someone's death or sickness easier to cope with, than holding ourselves responsible for our own sickness and health ?
Are we truly ok ?
 
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Jiggyfly:

Jiggyfly:
It's of the curse of the Law, it's satanic.
I suppose reading this it would appear that I did say that. I have to once again back peddle because of the keen observations of Jiggyfly.

Disobedience to God's Word (Deut 28) brings the destroyer on the scene being a breaker of the law.

Now if you want to discuss who the destroyer is, some Hebrew use of their passive nouns to explain why God said I will bring the sickness, we can do that.

Disobedience to God, brought the sickness, even so those that did not sin where effected by the sin of Adam, bringing the law of sin and death.

God's Law is perfect and not satanic......

Jesus is Lord.

rizen1:
Brings up a very overlooked thing, especially in the Word of faith Camps. Faith and confessing can not take the place of proper care of the temple of God. Even Timothy was told to drink a little wine for his stomach. Alcohol kills bacteria, and the water at the times was not always the best water as I had this passage explained to me.

God made the body in wonderful ways, and our body heals itself with the proper care and nutrition. If it was not God's will to heal, we would not also self heal, being made by God.

I am just amazed at people who claim God gave them a heart attack to witness to someone in the Hospital, being 300 plus pounds and refusing year after year to do something about their own health. Ya, God's fault... right.......

Neglecting what we put into our bodies, will only cause issues down the road. God has given us the wisdom to read labels, and be aware of what we eat.

Jesus Is Lord.
 
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Is the comfort of knowing God had a plan in someone's death or sickness easier to cope with, than holding ourselves responsible for our own sickness and health ?

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Exactly the question that should be asked.
 
Jiggyfly:
I suppose reading this it would appear that I did say that. I have to once again back peddle because of the keen observations of Jiggyfly.

Disobedience to God's Word (Deut 28) brings the destroyer on the scene being a breaker of the law.

Now if you want to discuss who the destroyer is, some Hebrew use of their passive nouns to explain why God said I will bring the sickness, we can do that.

Disobedience to God, brought the sickness, even so those that did not sin where effected by the sin of Adam, bringing the law of sin and death.

God's Law is perfect and not satanic......

Jesus is Lord.

rizen1:
Brings up a very overlooked thing, especially in the Word of faith Camps. Faith and confessing can not take the place of proper care of the temple of God. Even Timothy was told to drink a little wine for his stomach. Alcohol kills bacteria, and the water at the times was not always the best water as I had this passage explained to me.

God made the body in wonderful ways, and our body heals itself with the proper care and nutrition. If it was not God's will to heal, we would not also self heal, being made by God.

I am just amazed at people who claim God gave them a heart attack to witness to someone in the Hospital, being 300 plus pounds and refusing year after year to do something about their own health. Ya, God's fault... right.......

Neglecting what we put into our bodies, will only cause issues down the road. God has given us the wisdom to read labels, and be aware of what we eat.

Jesus Is Lord.
Couple of questions Mike.
Do you believe we are still observe the law?
Since you believe the curse of the Law is satanic does it mean that it was satanic when Christ became cursed for us?
 
What place should Paul have been to receive healing? The pool of Bethesda?

LOL Funny man!! Actually Jigger I was talking about a place of 'spiritual growth, learning just what is in our covenant'

We have a covenant with Father, by covenant Father is bound to heal us. HE did it too when JESUS shed HIS blood for us, and paid the price for it.

Isaiah 53:5
But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

1 Peter 2:24
Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Notice it does not say, "Will be healed"? Or "might be"? Or again "if you're a good boy"?
 
LOL Funny man!! Actually Jigger I was talking about a place of 'spiritual growth, learning just what is in our covenant'

We have a covenant with Father, by covenant Father is bound to heal us. HE did it too when JESUS shed HIS blood for us, and paid the price for it.

Isaiah 53:5
But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

1 Peter 2:24
Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Notice it does not say, "Will be healed"? Or "might be"? Or again "if you're a good boy"?

So you think Paul was ignorant of this covenant and what it means El Homie?
 
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Exactly the question that should be asked.


Is the comfort of knowing God had a plan in someone's death or sickness easier to cope with, than holding ourselves responsible for our own sickness and health ?


Ok I have to ask why such a question is asked before there is any scripture saying that its GODS will that we get sick or hurt.
 
So you think Paul was ignorant of this covenant and what it means El Homie?

It was either that or he was not in belief mode..What do you think? We all start at the same place Even Paul. HE started out knowing nothing and learned and grew. Yup Even the famous Paul...Come to think of it so did our JESUS.
Luke 2:39-41 (King James Version)


<sup class="versenum" id="en-KJV-25013">39</sup>And when they had performed all things according to the law of the Lord, they returned into Galilee, to their own city Nazareth.
<sup class="versenum" id="en-KJV-25014">40</sup>And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him.
<sup class="versenum" id="en-KJV-25015">41</sup>Now his parents went to Jerusalem every year at the feast of the passover.



http://classic.biblegateway.com/versions/King-James-Version-KJV-Bible/ If our JESUS had to grow and learn too, why would Paul know it all?
 
It was either that or he was not in belief mode..What do you think? We all start at the same place Even Paul. HE started out knowing nothing and learned and grew. Yup Even the famous Paul...Come to think of it so did our JESUS.
Luke 2:39-41 (King James Version)


<sup class="versenum" id="en-KJV-25013">39</sup>And when they had performed all things according to the law of the Lord, they returned into Galilee, to their own city Nazareth.
<sup class="versenum" id="en-KJV-25014">40</sup>And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him.
<sup class="versenum" id="en-KJV-25015">41</sup>Now his parents went to Jerusalem every year at the feast of the passover.



http://classic.biblegateway.com/versions/King-James-Version-KJV-Bible/ If our JESUS had to grow and learn too, why would Paul know it all?

I think your WOF belief is errant.
 
God make you sick?

WOF= Hogwash. I think he meant to say.

Though way off topic, the penalty for disobedience brought the curse of the Law, in that every sickness was named, calling those not named as part of the curse.

The Law being perfect, man not being perfect.

Jesus came and redeemed us from the curse of the Law, taking sickness for us. (Meaning we don't have to face the penalty for sin, which as listed could be sickness)

There are no scriptures saying though we can't get sick, or any that says God makes us sick to teach us something, this has all been discussed before here.

The last enemy to be defeated is death. Hence we still contend with sickness or things that could possibly kill us. No indication that we can not be free of it though.

By rizen1's post it is very evident we play a big part in staying healthy, not counting on ourselves only but trusting God. Being responsible for the temple God gave us.

Jesus Is Lord.
 
WOF= Hogwash. I think he meant to say.

Though way off topic, the penalty for disobedience brought the curse of the Law, in that every sickness was named, calling those not named as part of the curse.

The Law being perfect, man not being perfect.

Jesus came and redeemed us from the curse of the Law, taking sickness for us. (Meaning we don't have to face the penalty for sin, which as listed could be sickness)

There are no scriptures saying though we can't get sick, or any that says God makes us sick to teach us something, this has all been discussed before here.

The last enemy to be defeated is death. Hence we still contend with sickness or things that could possibly kill us. No indication that we can not be free of it though.

By rizen1's post it is very evident we play a big part in staying healthy, not counting on ourselves only but trusting God. Being responsible for the temple God gave us.

Jesus Is Lord.


LOL Hogwash...I think that's like sheep dip?
You're right the penalty of sin is the curse but GOD doesn't put the curse on us. The curse follows sin like the Blessing follows righteousness. Say what? I just wanted to say that.....

Again, you're right. We can and do get sick but by covenant we have the right and the authority to send it back to its source. Satan, the author of death.
 
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Is the comfort of knowing God had a plan in someone's death or sickness easier to cope with, than holding ourselves responsible for our own sickness and health ?


Ok I have to ask why such a question is asked before there is any scripture saying that its GODS will that we get sick or hurt.

The question doesn't say God does it.
 
The question doesn't say God does it.

OK Its a comfort that GOD provided a way for us to have the victory over sickness. We get to kick it out if we want, we have the authority to do so. And we have the free will to disbelieve GODs WORD where HE said our healing is already done, and we can stay sick. Its our choice
 
OK Its a comfort that GOD provided a way for us to have the victory over sickness. We get to kick it out if we want, we have the authority to do so. And we have the free will to disbelieve GODs WORD where HE said our healing is already done, and we can stay sick. Its our choice

I'm sorry. This blasphemous doctrine just galls me. I found this article.


Stupid Theology = God Makes You Sick



Published November 13, 2009 | By Cornel
Please be warned that the following message is going to be very straight forward. (You’ve been warned…)
There are a few beliefs some Christians hold to and even profess that ruffle my feathers the wrong way. The one I am going to cut to pieces now is one that was brought to my attention again this week and it’s the one about sickness being a trial we go through that God uses to test our faith and make us better people, to teach us to trust Him more. AAARGH!! Let’s start at the beginning. One of the first names God reveals Himself as is Jehovah Rapha which means I AM THAT I AM HEALING. How can God send sickness if He is healing? You can only give what you have. Logic.
1 Peter 2:24 who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness — by whose stripes you were healed. (NKJV)
By the stripes of Jesus we WERE healed. Past tense. God provided for healing 2000 years before you even got sick once. If God makes you sick, He is actively in rebellion against the finished works of the cross. He would be undoing what Jesus died to do. If God makes you carry something Jesus died carrying on your behalf, then Jesus did it for nothing. If God placed ALL sickness on Jesus it means there is NONE left to place on you!
Matt 12:25 But Jesus knew their thoughts, and said to them: “Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand. (NKJV)
If God is healing and making sick then His Kingdom is divided against itself and cannot stand. That should shut down the whole stupid theology right there. But some people think sickness is as a result of sin and sickness is one way God uses to teach us not to sin. Really? Look at the following 3 verses:
2 Tim 3:16-17 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work. (NKJV)
1 John 2:27 But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him. (NKJV)
John 14:26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things (NKJV)
God has three ways of teaching us: His Word (which is Jesus), the anointing (which is His power), and the Holy Spirit. If you say sickness is God’s way of teaching, then you are calling the Word, Jesus, the anointing and the Holy Spirit a sickness. Think long and hard about that one… Next, if God made you sick to teach you something, and again I say IF, then why do you go to the doctor? Wouldn’t that be rebellion against God’s will? God wanted you sick, but you are running to the doctor to make you well, so you are in rebellion. You should be praying to let the sickness run its full course so you can really learn what God wants to show you. And if making us sick is a valid and divine way of teaching, and we are told to imitate Christ, then why don’t we inject our kids with cancer or HIV? We want them to be good people with nice character right? If sickness if God’s way of building character, then give your kids cancer and help them be better people. Can you see why I call this stupid?
Rom 4:8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord shall not impute sin. (NKJV)
2 Cor 5:19 that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, (NKJV)
Heb 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more. (NKJV)
If God is making you sick because of sin, then God is lying in all three these verses. If He makes you sick because of sin it would mean He is keeping score of your sin, He hasn’t blotted them out of His memory and Jesus didn’t carry all sin. Again, think about that of while, or should I say, SELA! Ok, last verse:
Acts 10:38 how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power, who went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him. (NKJV)
Jesus went around doing GOOD by healing people who were OPPRESSED BY THE DEVIL. Jesus was healing people who the devil was making sick. So if you are sick, it is not God, it is the devil. He is trying to make you carry something Jesus died to free you of in order to get you to doubt the goodness of God. Rom 16:20 says the God of peace will crush satan under YOUR feet. When you start stepping God can do some crushing! So go get that size 13 sandal of the GOSPEL and put it where it belongs, on the devil’s head!
Be HEALED NOW!!!
 
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El Hombre said............
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OK Its a comfort that GOD provided a way for us to have the victory over sickness. We get to kick it out if we want, we have the authority to do so. And we have the free will to disbelieve GODs WORD where HE said our healing is already done, and we can stay sick. Its our choice
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El Hombre viejo In response to himself.

I'm sorry. This blasphemous doctrine just galls me. I found this article.


I suppose if nobody else is posting, a debate with yourself is Good, right?

Strange though.

Jesus Is Lord.
 
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