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Does the Bible mention homosexuality being in sin any where in particular?
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Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
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Romans 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Romans 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
Romans 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Romans 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Romans 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Romans 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
Romans 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
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I Corinthians 6:18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
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Romans 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Romans 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
Romans 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Romans 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Romans 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Romans 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
Romans 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
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I Corinthians 6:18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
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Stickz had a lot of these, but I am copying and pasting this, so it's easier just to include them all.
Lev 18:22 'You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.
Lev 20:13 'If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them.
Gen 19:5 and they called to Lot and said to him, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may have relations with them."
Gen 19:6 But Lot went out to them at the doorway, and shut the door behind him,
Gen 19:7 and said, "Please, my brothers, do not act wickedly.
Gen 19:8 "Now behold, I have two daughters who have not had relations with man; please let me bring them out to you, and do to them whatever you like; only do nothing to these men, inasmuch as they have come under the shelter of my roof."
Gen 19:12 Then the two men said to Lot, "Whom else have you here? A son-in-law, and your sons, and your daughters, and whomever you have in the city, bring them out of the place;
Gen 19:13 for we are about to destroy this place, because their outcry has become so great before the LORD that the LORD has sent us to destroy it."
Gen 19:24 Then the LORD rained on Sodom and Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven,
Rom 1:26 For this reason God allowed their shameful passions to control them. Their women have exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones.
Rom 1:27 Likewise, their men have given up natural sexual relations with women and burn with lust for each other. Men commit indecent acts with men, so they experience among themselves the punishment they deserve for their perversion.
Rom 1:32 Although they know God's judgment that those who do such things deserve to die, they not only do these things but also approve of others who do them.
** Notice verse 32 - even if you don't do this yourself, but merely approve of others doing it, you are guilty also. **
1Cor 6:9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,
μαλακός
malakos; a prim. word; soft, effeminate: - effeminate (1), soft (3).
1Tim 1:9 realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers
1Tim 1:10 and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching,
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a sodomite: - abuser of (that defile) self with mankind
Lev 18:22 'You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.
Lev 20:13 'If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them.
Gen 19:5 and they called to Lot and said to him, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may have relations with them."
Gen 19:6 But Lot went out to them at the doorway, and shut the door behind him,
Gen 19:7 and said, "Please, my brothers, do not act wickedly.
Gen 19:8 "Now behold, I have two daughters who have not had relations with man; please let me bring them out to you, and do to them whatever you like; only do nothing to these men, inasmuch as they have come under the shelter of my roof."
Gen 19:12 Then the two men said to Lot, "Whom else have you here? A son-in-law, and your sons, and your daughters, and whomever you have in the city, bring them out of the place;
Gen 19:13 for we are about to destroy this place, because their outcry has become so great before the LORD that the LORD has sent us to destroy it."
Gen 19:24 Then the LORD rained on Sodom and Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven,
Rom 1:26 For this reason God allowed their shameful passions to control them. Their women have exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones.
Rom 1:27 Likewise, their men have given up natural sexual relations with women and burn with lust for each other. Men commit indecent acts with men, so they experience among themselves the punishment they deserve for their perversion.
Rom 1:32 Although they know God's judgment that those who do such things deserve to die, they not only do these things but also approve of others who do them.
** Notice verse 32 - even if you don't do this yourself, but merely approve of others doing it, you are guilty also. **
1Cor 6:9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,
μαλακός
malakos; a prim. word; soft, effeminate: - effeminate (1), soft (3).
1Tim 1:9 realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers
1Tim 1:10 and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching,
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a sodomite: - abuser of (that defile) self with mankind
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Yes, and let it be known that god hates homosexuality, not the people afflicted with it.
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That is an excellent point. God loves the sinner, but hates the sin. He loves homosexuals as much as anyone else. But, that doesn't mean approves of their life style.
The one thing about homosexuality that seems to make it "a worse sin" in some people's eyes, isn't the fact that it's "more of a sin, or less of a sin" than other sins. It's the fact that so many of these people are trying to convince everyone that it simply isn't sin at all.
We have states laws and federal legislature approving of these things, it has become prevalent in movies and on television, they are trying to convince us all that it isn't sin.
It's funny you don't see the media and news saying that lying, or cheating is not sin. You don't see anyone saying child molesting or rape isn't sin. Ironically enough, adultery is prevalent in the media, but even then, in most cases it's presented as a negative (a secret thing, behind someone's back) so in most cases even adultery is portrayed as a sin. But, not homosexuality.
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I have a question -
Also note - i am not trying to start a big hubub - but i have always wondered why people pick how "literal" a passage should be taken - take the following
Lev 20:13 'If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them.
Doesn't that imply death as the penalty? Who should be the killer of such sinners and or is it implying "soul death" or another vague implication of death - like we are all dying in the Silvia Plath or transcendental type, if you get my meaning. Another point worth mentioning is - in no shape or fashion would i EVER imply anyone should be killed or any such notion for something like sexual preference. (just asking for clarification)
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Also note - i am not trying to start a big hubub - but i have always wondered why people pick how "literal" a passage should be taken - take the following
Lev 20:13 'If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them.
Doesn't that imply death as the penalty? Who should be the killer of such sinners and or is it implying "soul death" or another vague implication of death - like we are all dying in the Silvia Plath or transcendental type, if you get my meaning. Another point worth mentioning is - in no shape or fashion would i EVER imply anyone should be killed or any such notion for something like sexual preference. (just asking for clarification)
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That is a fair question. I see by your profile that you may be new to all of this. Have you read much from the Bible? When you read through the first five books, you will see how the people were given the Law, and how they were meant to carry it out. You will see verses like these:
Leviticus 24:10 And the son of an Israelitish woman, whose father was an Egyptian, went out among the children of Israel: and this son of the Israelitish woman and a man of Israel strove together in the camp;
Leviticus 24:11 And the Israelitish woman's son blasphemed the name of the LORD, and cursed. And they brought him unto Moses: (and his mother's name was Shelomith, the daughter of Dibri, of the tribe of Dan
Leviticus 24:12 And they put him in ward, that the mind of the LORD might be shewed them.
Leviticus 24:13 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Leviticus 24:14 Bring forth him that hath cursed without the camp; and let all that heard him lay their hands upon his head, and let all the congregation stone him.
Leviticus 24:15 And thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel, saying, Whosoever curseth his God shall bear his sin.
Leviticus 24:16 And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the LORD, shall be put to death.
Leviticus 24:17 And he that killeth any man shall surely be put to death.
Leviticus 24:18 And he that killeth a beast shall make it good; beast for beast.
Leviticus 24:19 And if a man cause a blemish in his neighbour; as he hath done, so shall it be done to him;
Leviticus 24:20 Breach for breach, eye for eye, tooth for tooth: as he hath caused a blemish in a man, so shall it be done to him again.
Leviticus 24:21 And he that killeth a beast, he shall restore it: and he that killeth a man, he shall be put to death.
Leviticus 24:22 Ye shall have one manner of law, as well for the stranger, as for one of your own country: for I am the LORD your God.
Leviticus 24:23 And Moses spake to the children of Israel, that they should bring forth him that had cursed out of the camp, and stone him with stones. And the children of Israel did as the LORD commanded Moses.
And—
Numbers 25:1 And Israel abode in Shittim, and the people began to commit whoredom with the daughters of Moab.
Numbers 25:2 And they called the people unto the sacrifices of their gods: and the people did eat, and bowed down to their gods.
Numbers 25:3 And Israel joined himself unto Baal–peor: and the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel.
Numbers 25:4 And the LORD said unto Moses, Take all the heads of the people, and hang them up before the LORD against the sun, that the fierce anger of the LORD may be turned away from Israel.
Numbers 25:5 And Moses said unto the judges of Israel, Slay ye every one his men that were joined unto Baal–peor.
Numbers 25:6 And, behold, one of the children of Israel came and brought unto his brethren a Midianitish woman in the sight of Moses, and in the sight of all the congregation of the children of Israel, who were weeping before the door of the tabernacle of the congregation.
Numbers 25:7 And when Phinehas, the son of Eleazar, the son of Aaron the priest, saw it, he rose up from among the congregation, and took a javelin in his hand;
Numbers 25:8 And he went after the man of Israel into the tent, and thrust both of them through, the man of Israel, and the woman through her belly. So the plague was stayed from the children of Israel.
Numbers 25:9 And those that died in the plague were twenty and four thousand.
Numbers 25:10 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Numbers 25:11 Phinehas, the son of Eleazar, the son of Aaron the priest, hath turned my wrath away from the children of Israel, while he was zealous for my sake among them, that I consumed not the children of Israel in my jealousy.
Numbers 25:12 Wherefore say, Behold, I give unto him my covenant of peace:
Numbers 25:13 And he shall have it, and his seed after him, even the covenant of an everlasting priesthood; because he was zealous for his God, and made an atonement for the children of Israel.
Depending on who you talk to, you will hear different things about how much of the old Law still applies to us today. I believe that most agree, though, that we are no longer supposed to put people to death for anything. We are to leave this to the Lord. It was done the way that it was in the Old Testament for a reason, though, which I will not go into here, but do believe that it was a foreshadowing of things to come.
I hope that I understood your question, lokidervish, and answered it for you in a satisfactory manner.
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That is a fair question. I see by your profile that you may be new to all of this. Have you read much from the Bible? When you read through the first five books, you will see how the people were given the Law, and how they were meant to carry it out. You will see verses like these:
Leviticus 24:10 And the son of an Israelitish woman, whose father was an Egyptian, went out among the children of Israel: and this son of the Israelitish woman and a man of Israel strove together in the camp;
Leviticus 24:11 And the Israelitish woman's son blasphemed the name of the LORD, and cursed. And they brought him unto Moses: (and his mother's name was Shelomith, the daughter of Dibri, of the tribe of Dan
Leviticus 24:12 And they put him in ward, that the mind of the LORD might be shewed them.
Leviticus 24:13 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Leviticus 24:14 Bring forth him that hath cursed without the camp; and let all that heard him lay their hands upon his head, and let all the congregation stone him.
Leviticus 24:15 And thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel, saying, Whosoever curseth his God shall bear his sin.
Leviticus 24:16 And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the LORD, shall be put to death.
Leviticus 24:17 And he that killeth any man shall surely be put to death.
Leviticus 24:18 And he that killeth a beast shall make it good; beast for beast.
Leviticus 24:19 And if a man cause a blemish in his neighbour; as he hath done, so shall it be done to him;
Leviticus 24:20 Breach for breach, eye for eye, tooth for tooth: as he hath caused a blemish in a man, so shall it be done to him again.
Leviticus 24:21 And he that killeth a beast, he shall restore it: and he that killeth a man, he shall be put to death.
Leviticus 24:22 Ye shall have one manner of law, as well for the stranger, as for one of your own country: for I am the LORD your God.
Leviticus 24:23 And Moses spake to the children of Israel, that they should bring forth him that had cursed out of the camp, and stone him with stones. And the children of Israel did as the LORD commanded Moses.
And—
Numbers 25:1 And Israel abode in Shittim, and the people began to commit whoredom with the daughters of Moab.
Numbers 25:2 And they called the people unto the sacrifices of their gods: and the people did eat, and bowed down to their gods.
Numbers 25:3 And Israel joined himself unto Baal–peor: and the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel.
Numbers 25:4 And the LORD said unto Moses, Take all the heads of the people, and hang them up before the LORD against the sun, that the fierce anger of the LORD may be turned away from Israel.
Numbers 25:5 And Moses said unto the judges of Israel, Slay ye every one his men that were joined unto Baal–peor.
Numbers 25:6 And, behold, one of the children of Israel came and brought unto his brethren a Midianitish woman in the sight of Moses, and in the sight of all the congregation of the children of Israel, who were weeping before the door of the tabernacle of the congregation.
Numbers 25:7 And when Phinehas, the son of Eleazar, the son of Aaron the priest, saw it, he rose up from among the congregation, and took a javelin in his hand;
Numbers 25:8 And he went after the man of Israel into the tent, and thrust both of them through, the man of Israel, and the woman through her belly. So the plague was stayed from the children of Israel.
Numbers 25:9 And those that died in the plague were twenty and four thousand.
Numbers 25:10 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Numbers 25:11 Phinehas, the son of Eleazar, the son of Aaron the priest, hath turned my wrath away from the children of Israel, while he was zealous for my sake among them, that I consumed not the children of Israel in my jealousy.
Numbers 25:12 Wherefore say, Behold, I give unto him my covenant of peace:
Numbers 25:13 And he shall have it, and his seed after him, even the covenant of an everlasting priesthood; because he was zealous for his God, and made an atonement for the children of Israel.
Depending on who you talk to, you will hear different things about how much of the old Law still applies to us today. I believe that most agree, though, that we are no longer supposed to put people to death for anything. We are to leave this to the Lord. It was done the way that it was in the Old Testament for a reason, though, which I will not go into here, but do believe that it was a foreshadowing of things to come.
I hope that I understood your question, lokidervish, and answered it for you in a satisfactory manner.
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Thank you for the references Stickz. I have studied biblical theology over the years off and on, to be honest, not as often lately. It response to your suggestions, I think my question might be better posed more directly - with all the references to how the past has been judged and punished, be it by God or by man in his name, how is one TODAY supposed to come to solid conclusions on instances committed against what is said in the bible? Take the issues with Muslim radicals and what affect it has and is continuing to have in society today, as an example. There are people in this world that say all they are doing is what "their" God has told them to do, that they are holding true to what they believe to be honest devotion to God. (In the same breath they say they are following the "wrong" God and that they should be following the righteous path of this denomination or that denomination) Where my confusion is, how do we battle the issue of which path to follow, and how literal is our guidance? Tough questions to answer indeed - minus personal experience to verify intervention of the Holy Spirit of course. A question I have always had - being honest here - is if I had been born in Iran or Iraq, would I not have been a follower of Islam and that only due to demographics did I end up in a Christian country, of which my parents handed down to me? (NOW - i realize that there is the possibility of being Christian in Middle Eastern countries, but it is very unlikely that it would have been any long existence) I will end there so as not to be long winded on the issue - look forward to the discussion, and thank you.
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WOW!!!!:shock::shock::shock:
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Lokidervish Your point on Nationality and religion i believe to be true, which is why i believe that the way to God is through Christ, but the way to Christ is through the love, compassion and mercy we show to those in need, to love our neighbours as ourselves. on any issue ask yourself , if that was me, how would i want to be treated?.
I know i've said it before but will say it again, why is there seemingly such a religious "hang up" on Homosexuality?, Christ never mentiones it once in the Gospels, yet it seems something of an Obsession amongst some Christians, yes i believe it to be a sin, but who amongst is not a sinner, and Christ comes down repeatedly on condemning the rich, the powerful and the hypocrites, and which of us living in the rich, industrialised western nations do not fit into one of these catagories, very few of us i would imagine.
I know i've said it before but will say it again, why is there seemingly such a religious "hang up" on Homosexuality?, Christ never mentiones it once in the Gospels, yet it seems something of an Obsession amongst some Christians, yes i believe it to be a sin, but who amongst is not a sinner, and Christ comes down repeatedly on condemning the rich, the powerful and the hypocrites, and which of us living in the rich, industrialised western nations do not fit into one of these catagories, very few of us i would imagine.
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I believe the last time it was in association with Civil Unions. LOL
Below is what I replied to you with
"Too bad we don't give greater time to it and other sinful areas as well! We all should be working on this and many others.
Might not be in England where correct me if I'm wrong, but Civil Union is acceptable. Seems England has fought this battle and has lost it. Not intended to bash England, loved the country when I was there for two years, but the weather had to go however sadly the U.S. is moving in the same direction, but some are still battling away. Remember, the war has been won, but the battles which are occurring on many fronts continue.
In the U.S. this "alternate lifestyle" continues to gain momentum from movies to being introduced into our schools. An example of this is one of our states called California which either has or is in the processing of requiring that history books used in school must contain a section dedicated to "Homosexual Heroes" who have made contributions to this country. Alarming! Children who don’t know the Lord, but will have “Homosexual Heroes”! This doesn’t even include the churches that find nothing wrong with it, who even have them preaching from the pulpit.
When you stated that it must not be such an important issue in God's eyes since Jesus didn't mention it even once, is the wrong way of looking at it. The Jews already condemned the act so why would it have been necessary to bring it up? He spent more time identifying the things they were failing to do. Just in case we did need reminding however, God did provide us Romans 1:24-27, 32 so that we might understand where He was coming from on this subject.
I do agree that there are many areas that require our attention and that some folks pay greater attention to this especially if they’re into politics, or money is involved, since it’s guaranteed to bring you supporters and free advertisement. However, the subject does need to continue to be brought up, and addressed, over and over again. It’s our inability to continue to hold our ground on right and almost right, which includes a myriad of subjects not only homosexuality, i.e. Immorality, or is Christ the only way to be saved, creation verses evolution, heaven/hell are they real places? God uses who he wills, and that includes those who might not be doing it for altruistic purposes. We need to stand strong with much prayer, and just because we can’t deal with all the “holes in the boat” at once, doesn’t mean I’m not going to try to tackle them one at a time, even though I know this boat is going to sink (Book of Revelation). I just try to attempt it with great Joy & Love as I hope all of us do!"
Below is what I replied to you with
"Too bad we don't give greater time to it and other sinful areas as well! We all should be working on this and many others.
Might not be in England where correct me if I'm wrong, but Civil Union is acceptable. Seems England has fought this battle and has lost it. Not intended to bash England, loved the country when I was there for two years, but the weather had to go however sadly the U.S. is moving in the same direction, but some are still battling away. Remember, the war has been won, but the battles which are occurring on many fronts continue.
In the U.S. this "alternate lifestyle" continues to gain momentum from movies to being introduced into our schools. An example of this is one of our states called California which either has or is in the processing of requiring that history books used in school must contain a section dedicated to "Homosexual Heroes" who have made contributions to this country. Alarming! Children who don’t know the Lord, but will have “Homosexual Heroes”! This doesn’t even include the churches that find nothing wrong with it, who even have them preaching from the pulpit.
When you stated that it must not be such an important issue in God's eyes since Jesus didn't mention it even once, is the wrong way of looking at it. The Jews already condemned the act so why would it have been necessary to bring it up? He spent more time identifying the things they were failing to do. Just in case we did need reminding however, God did provide us Romans 1:24-27, 32 so that we might understand where He was coming from on this subject.
I do agree that there are many areas that require our attention and that some folks pay greater attention to this especially if they’re into politics, or money is involved, since it’s guaranteed to bring you supporters and free advertisement. However, the subject does need to continue to be brought up, and addressed, over and over again. It’s our inability to continue to hold our ground on right and almost right, which includes a myriad of subjects not only homosexuality, i.e. Immorality, or is Christ the only way to be saved, creation verses evolution, heaven/hell are they real places? God uses who he wills, and that includes those who might not be doing it for altruistic purposes. We need to stand strong with much prayer, and just because we can’t deal with all the “holes in the boat” at once, doesn’t mean I’m not going to try to tackle them one at a time, even though I know this boat is going to sink (Book of Revelation). I just try to attempt it with great Joy & Love as I hope all of us do!"
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Christ may not have mentioned it, but the apostle Paul came down hard on the subject in his letters (see Ro 1: 26-27, 1 Cor 6:9-10).
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Moses mentions it several times, Paul mentions it a couple of times, Timothy mentions it. Jesus never mentioned child molesting either, but just because he didn't condemn it doesn't mean it's good idea. Jesus didn't repeat every single law of the old testament, the Jews already knew the OT scriptures.
The big thing with homosexuality over over sins is most likely due to 2 things. First of all, the governement and media are shoving it down our throats. They aren't saying we have to accept murderers or thieves or child molesters, however they are saying we have to accept homosexuality. I would turn the question around and ask why is this such a big deal to them?
The second thing is that... unlike certain other sins, homosexuality is one of those sins that even if you don't do it yourself, but merely approve of others doing it, you are just as guilty.
Rom 1:32 and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them.
...what are the "these things" the verse is talking about? see verses 26 and 27.
26 For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
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I'm not sure about the situation in the US, but here in the Uk i can't say that i feel the Government is shoving Homosexuality down our throats. There is a tolerance of homosexuality, but not a promotion of it.
But there again there is a tolerance of greed, selfishness, injustice and indifference to the suffering of others. All condemned repeatedly by Christ as sins. Are you just as vehemently campaigning against the acceptance of these sins as you seem to be against homosexuality, and how many of them apply to us?.
And surely if you approve of any sin you are committing a sin yourself. It just doesn't apply to Homosexuality, anyone that condones murder, theft, greed or injustice is as much a sinner as those that actually commit that sin.
But there again there is a tolerance of greed, selfishness, injustice and indifference to the suffering of others. All condemned repeatedly by Christ as sins. Are you just as vehemently campaigning against the acceptance of these sins as you seem to be against homosexuality, and how many of them apply to us?.
And surely if you approve of any sin you are committing a sin yourself. It just doesn't apply to Homosexuality, anyone that condones murder, theft, greed or injustice is as much a sinner as those that actually commit that sin.
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This is basically the same question, just phrased slightly differently by you Rad. Part of my answer previously and somewhat applies to your above post.
Most of what you mentioned requires changes for sure, yet it seems in the case of homosexuality it’s going in reverse. Rather than identifying it as a sin, the world is making it acceptable. Murder, Theft, greed, or injustice, get dealt with as it goes against the law of the land. Some would say we have legalized any of the above in one fashion or another, however, they are still basically seen as being wrong. The changes occurring in the point of view of Homosexuality is not that it’s basically wrong, but that it is completely acceptable. Therein lays the greater need to address this issue over others. The same outrage would happen if all of a sudden they started to attempt to legalize pedophilia or rape. Same premise, just different sin.
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rad says, "but who amongst is not a sinner". that's rad, and amen to that!!
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Boy, I am probably going to upset a lot of you with this - But, does it matter who your heart chooses to love? Isn't there enough unhappiness in this world? Love makes people happy. I have known someone for 10 years. Believe me, she is a good person. Now that she has married her wife, she is happy. And you know what? I want nothing more than for her to be happy. Don't hate what I have said. Just value it as my opinion.
Boy, I am probably going to upset a lot of you with this - But, does it matter who your heart chooses to love? Isn't there enough unhappiness in this world? Love makes people happy. I have known someone for 10 years. Believe me, she is a good person. Now that she has married her wife, she is happy. And you know what? I want nothing more than for her to be happy. Don't hate what I have said. Just value it as my opinion.