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Why does God seem so different in the OT than in the NT

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Here is what REALLY!!!!!!!!! AMAZES ME!!! some believe with no scripture attached to it,that because Jesus died and rose again,WE do not have to do anything!!! AT ALL!! Where does it say in God's Word we can live anyway we want to and still get to heaven??HUMM!!! I can't find it!! instead here is what I see!Matt 7:13 enter through oh dear we have to do something?? sure looks like it to me! then to leave us with No doubt!! verse 21 this verse is talking about ALL!!! those who believe they are saved! if not, then why verse 22?and what does Jesus answer those who say they believe? You got it!! verse 23 I guess that is why we are to work out our salvation with fear and trembling!! Philp 2:12 hey!! I believe in some security to!! But to many people are teaching the younger believers the wrong Bible,also consider james 1:22 be ye what?? doers of the word and not hearers only!! doing what?? decieving oneself!! Let us NOt be decieved!! That which a man sows will he also reap! Jesus and his blood are enough! we are saved by grace through faith,but does that make us perfect. Rom 6:15 if you think for one second one can live anyway they want to and still get into heaven!! LOl well I am glad I am not you!
 
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Here is what REALLY!!!!!!!!! AMAZES ME!!! some believe with no scripture attached to it,that because Jesus died and rose again,WE do not have to do anything!!! AT ALL!! Where does it say in God's Word we can live anyway we want to and still get to heaven??HUMM!!! I can't find it!! instead here is what I see!Matt 7:13 enter through oh dear we have to do something?? sure looks like it to me! then to leave us with No doubt!! verse 21 this verse is talking about ALL!!! those who believe they are saved! if not, then why verse 22?and what does Jesus answer those who say they believe? You got it!! verse 23 I guess that is why we are to work out our salvation with fear and trembling!! Philp 2:12 hey!! I believe in some security to!! But to many people are teaching the younger believers the wrong Bible,also consider james 1:22 be ye what?? doers of the word and not hearers only!! doing what?? decieving oneself!! Let us NOt be decieved!! That which a man sows will he also reap! Jesus and his blood are enough! we are saved by grace through faith,but does that make us perfect. Rom 6:15 if you think for one second one can live anyway they want to and still get into heaven!! LOl well I am glad I am not you!

And, so who are you addressing this to?
 
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Yes. He is the same as it states in the old Testament and New.. Someome said on here that God is not even mad.. Yes. He is I believe look what we are doing abortion, gay's marrying, we have turned this country away from Him... And we think we don't grieve His heart or make Him angry... Come on... "It is a scary thing to fall into the hands of a angry God."

Shalom,
debbi
 
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this is written only to those, who fits in the shoe. If ones view is different I never have a problem,but if one outright lies about the Word THEN!! I have a problem! hopefully none here does this shoe ever fit!! blessing!
 
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Yes. He is the same as it states in the old Testament and New.. Someome said on here that God is not even mad.. Yes. He is I believe look what we are doing abortion, gay's marrying, we have turned this country away from Him... And we think we don't grieve His heart or make Him angry... Come on... "It is a scary thing to fall into the hands of a angry God."

Shalom,
debbi

I was the one that said,"He's not even Mad"; and that was for a Christian
Before Jesus Christ died and was resurrected, Jesus himself was the Law, he was the personification of the Law, no one could hold it up perfectly like he did, after all, it was the Law of his Father in heaven.
When asked, Jesus said to forgive like this:
Matthew6:15
15 But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.
This was the Law, a require and a punishment if you fail to obey!

Now let's look at the same forgiveness after the resurrection and the now New Covenant:
Colossians 3:13
13 Bear with each other and forgive one another if any of you has a grievance against someone. Forgive as the Lord forgave you.
The same act of forgiveness but a different outcome if you fail.

This New Covenant, this Grace, what God calls a gift and if it is a gift, then it is free, it has no work on your part but to pick up the gift and receive it, to believe. Paul said that if you are a Christian now; being in Christ, there is no condemnation.

I have been on T.J.'s for @ 4 years now and I have always held to the same God but his different approach with man and especially, Christians. And I am SOOO tired of some, taking this out of context, reading between the lines and putting words in my mind, and then saying I believe that I can do anything I want in this life and I can get away with it.

Look, God has told me there is no condemnation for me. Does that mean I don't care about my sin, hardly not. Being in Christ and he in me, I am more aware of my sins than before, much more, and thank God for the continuing conviction of his Holy Spirit. It is not that I do not look at my sin, but that God said he doesn't!

For a person that lives their life outside of Christ and willfully sins and dies that way, their condemnation and judgement will come.

Let's look at abortion:
Since Roe vs. Wade, over 40 million babies, humans have been killed by man. Before Christ, I was of the mind, though I didn't like it, it was up to the individual and their business. Now, I totally disagree with it and maybe, only maybe, allowed in extreme cases.
 
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Yes, I see this was written to Christians, but to say that God (Yahwha) is not mad is understatement.. Look and see what has become of Christiany in this country USA...

Yes ,we still have rules to follow as it states in John.. "If you love Mr you will obey my commandents."

Shalom,
debbi rennier
 
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Yes, I see this was written to Christians, but to say that God (Yahwha) is not mad is understatement.. Look and see what has become of Christiany in this country USA...

Yes ,we still have rules to follow as it states in John.. "If you love Mr you will obey my commandents."

Shalom,
debbi rennier

Debbie,
With all due respect, you are not understanding me! Maybe I just don't explain well enough.

If something has "become of Christianity" as you say, please don't include real"Born Again Christians" in that comment. The Church is full of "Christians" in name only, too many are like I used to be. I went to the same church for 30 years, called a Christian by all worldly standards, and I was no more saved than the man on the moon!

A true Christian is building up the "Kingdom of God" and not tearing it down, or at least living in non-committal ignorance.

Yes, we are to use the commandments to live by, and that includes all of them, including the one from Jesus that if you look at another person with lust, that is the same as adultery...that wasn't in the original 10. There are hundreds of commandments and God said that they all can be replaced with Love, but when Paul explains this kind of love in 1 COR 13, we find that this is the same as "Agape" love and we can do that no more perfectly 24/7 than we could the original 10 commandments.

Yes, if we love Jesus and we do, it in no way means that we "Christians" can do it perfectly. But, the intent is what counts and that we have faith in God's grace and believes God when he tells a "True Christian" that since you are in Christ, there is no condemnation!!!! A non-believer and fake Christians are and will be judged by a different standard, because they truly live their life outside of Jesus Christ!
 
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Yes, I see this was written to Christians, but to say that God (Yahwha) is not mad is understatement.. Look and see what has become of Christiany in this country USA...

Yes ,we still have rules to follow as it states in John.. "If you love Mr you will obey my commandents."

Shalom,
debbi rennier

What were the commandments given by Jesus?
 
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I was told to just read the NT and not even worry about reading the OT. I've read a little of the OT and find God to be quite intimidating. Very different than Jesus in the NT. It's almost like they're completely different. Why is this? I know it was different eras, but God is unchanging. However, there's definitely a change in mood between the two testaments.

God's standards nor purposes never change. As James wrote, that with God there is "with him there is not a variation of the turning of the shadow."(James 1:17) Whereas shadows cast by the sun are always changing in size and direction as the earth rotates, the one true God Jehovah is unchangeable.

For example, at Genesis 1:28, God told Adam and Eve: "Be fruitful and become many and fill the earth and subdue it, and have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and every living creature that is moving upon the earth.” What does this mean ? That he purposed the earth to be home forever to those who love him.

At Genesis 2:16, 17, God gave them another command: "From every tree of the garden you may eat to satisfaction. But as for the tree of the knowledge of good and bad you must not eat from it, for in the day you eat from it you will positively die.” Later however, Eve, upon coming to "the tree of the knowledge of good and bad", heard a voice from a serpent that questioned God's authority: "Is it really so that God said you must not eat from every tree of the garden ?” (Gen 3:1)

Instead of turning away, she listened to the serpent yet more, allowing his "reasoning" to cast doubt about God's right to rule, and "she began taking of its fruit and eating it. Afterward she gave some also to her husband when with her and he began eating it."(Gen 3:6) Because of Adam' and Eve's rebellion in the Garden of Eden, has God changed his intent with respect to the earth, to have it remain forever, with people living on it ? Or is he now sending everyone that loves him to heaven ?

Jesus taught in the Model Prayer: "Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified. Let your kingdom come. Let your will take place, as in heaven, also upon earth."(Matt 6:9, 10) Why did Jesus teach us to pray for God's kingdom to come, saying that his will is to "take place, as in heaven, also upon earth" ? To show that God has not changed, that his original intentions for the earth would be fulfilled.

Jesus provided another detail that the churches cast aside. At Luke 23:43, Jesus, while hanging on the torture stake, with two evil-doers most likely on either side, told one of them: "Truly I tell you today, You will be with me in Paradise.” When the word "Paradise" (meaning "park", conveying the basic idea of a beautiful park or parklike garden) was spoken by Jesus, what would have come to the mind of the Jewish evil-doer that had spoken to Jesus with hope ? The Garden of Eden. At Genesis 13:10, the "well watered region" of Sodom and Gomorrah was called the "garden of Jehovah, " referring to the original Garden of Eden.

To reaffirm that God has not changed his original intentions toward the earth, Jesus said: "Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth."(Matt 5;5, King James Bible) From where was Jesus quoting ? From Psalms 37:11, 29, which says that " the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.......The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein for ever."(King James Bible)

Thus, God's unchangeableness is seen here, that the earth will become a paradise in the near future. But by what means is this to be accomplished ? Jesus taught us to pray for God's kingdom to come to bring this to reality, with peaceful conditions "as in heaven, also upon earth." The apostle Paul wrote that "it is impossible for God to lie."(Heb 6:18) Hence, God has purposed that the earth be a paradise home to "meek" ones, being their ' inheritance ' from the unchangeable Jehovah God.
 
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What were the commandments given by Jesus?

Matthhew 5
New Commandments And The Fulfillment of the Law, from the Sermon on the Mount
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
Murder
21 “You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘You shall not murder,[a] and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.’ 22 But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister[c] will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, ‘Raca,’[d] is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell.

23 “Therefore, if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother or sister has something against you, 24 leave your gift there in front of the altar. First go and be reconciled to them; then come and offer your gift.

25 “Settle matters quickly with your adversary who is taking you to court. Do it while you are still together on the way, or your adversary may hand you over to the judge, and the judge may hand you over to the officer, and you may be thrown into prison. 26 Truly I tell you, you will not get out until you have paid the last penny.
Adultery
27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’[e] 28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell. from some of the original 10:
 
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Those who are not under grace will be judged by the law which is something that no man can successfully do. This is how the lost religious, the lost world and unbelievers will be judged. Those who understand grace and are totally dependent on God for their justification and salvation will be judged in Christ and thier sins are covered by His shed blood.

As far as those scriptures you quoted- first and foremost that Jesus was preaching to practicing Jews and lost people, the church had not even been born yet.
Jesus came to fulfill the law, that was accomplished on the cross.Red emphasis mine:
Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
Eph 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
Eph 2:16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:



With the resurrection of Christ and the subsequent birth of the church we are no longer under those Old Covenant laws:
Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.


Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.



Gal 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
Gal 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
Gal 3:12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
Gal 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:


Jesus Himself is made our righteousness:
Rom 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
Rom 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.


1Co 1:30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

Rom 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
Rom 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Rom 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Rom 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
Rom 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
Rom 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
Rom 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.







There are is in fact something entirely new that Jesus spoke to the people which was in no way connected with the law:
Joh 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
Joh 13:35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.


This is the commandment of Christ and was a genuine revelation into the Father's heart.:shade:
 
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Surely it is deeply connected to the part of the Law that commands

"Love your neighbor as yourself. I am the LORD"
Leviticus 19:18
 
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Those who understand grace and are totally dependent on God for their justification and salvation will be judged in Christ and thier sins are covered by His shed blood.

As far as those scriptures you quoted- first and foremost that Jesus was preaching to practicing Jews and lost people, the church had not even been born yet.
No, the "Day Of Atonement" covered the sins of Man, that is why it had to be repeated year after year and the High Levitical Priest was not allowed to sit down while in the Temple.

Christ did not merely cover the sins of man, he "took them away" from the sight of God for all eternity and he even sat down at the right hand of the Father, signifying that his work was indeed complete.

If you you don't think the scriptures I quoted, which was part of the "Sermon on the Mount" and the "Beatitudes" was not Jesus talking about the New Covenant that was coming and the Kingdom of God, and, in part, new commandments, then we have a disagreement here.

I would like to have been there and see the expression on their faces, when Jesus told them of essentially a new command: Not only was "Adultery was a sin, but a New Command, that if you even look at a another person, with lust in your heart, it was Adultery!
 
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Those who understand grace and are totally dependent on God for their justification and salvation will be judged in Christ and thier sins are covered by His shed blood.

As far as those scriptures you quoted- first and foremost that Jesus was preaching to practicing Jews and lost people, the church had not even been born yet.
No, the "Day Of Atonement" covered the sins of Man, that is why it had to be repeated year after year and the High Levitical Priest was not allowed to sit down while in the Temple.

Christ did not merely cover the sins of man, he "took them away" from the sight of God for all eternity and he even sat down at the right hand of the Father, signifying that his work was indeed complete.

If you you don't think the scriptures I quoted, which was part of the "Sermon on the Mount" and the "Beatitudes" was not Jesus talking about the New Covenant that was coming and the Kingdom of God, and, in part, new commandments, then we have a disagreement here.

I would like to have been there and see the expression on their faces, when Jesus told them of essentially a new command: Not only was "Adultery was a sin, but a New Command, that if you even look at a another person, with lust in your heart, it was Adultery!

Yes we disagree but that is no surprise. Also the ""Adultery was a sin, but a New Command, that if you even look at a another person, with lust in your heart, it was Adultery!" was no new command at all but simply a clarification of the old commandment given to Moses.
 
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Yes we disagree but that is no surprise. Also the ""Adultery was a sin, but a New Command, that if you even look at a another person, with lust in your heart, it was Adultery!" was no new command at all but simply a clarification of the old commandment given to Moses.

Yes we do unfortunately disagree, obviously more than I had considered before,and, if you want to say telling the people that you must even look at another person with lust is not a new command on Adultery, that is certainly your business! Shoe me in the Old Covenant where it even hinted that looking was a sin!?

I suppose things like:The Old Covenant, if you blaspheme God you will be put to death and now, in the New Covenant, you can blaspheme the son of God but you can't blaspheme the "Holy Spirit" is not a new commandment either?
 
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Yes we do unfortunately disagree, obviously more than I had considered before,and, if you want to say telling the people that you must even look at another person with lust is not a new command on Adultery, that is certainly your business! Shoe me in the Old Covenant where it even hinted that looking was a sin!?

I suppose things like:The Old Covenant, if you blaspheme God you will be put to death and now, in the New Covenant, you can blaspheme the son of God but you can't blaspheme the "Holy Spirit" is not a new commandment either?

If the Pharisees and other religious folks had even an inkling of God's heart they would have clearly understood that lusting in ones heart is as corrupt as actually fulfilling. The difference between the Lord's teaching and theirs was this clear understanding of His heart and intention.
The blasphemy thing- there never was a commandment against blaspheming the Son. The entire discourse on blaspheming and the part relating to the Holy Spirit was not a command but a warning.
The difference is obvious.
 
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If the Pharisees and other religious folks had even an inkling of God's heart they would have clearly understood that lusting in ones heart is as corrupt as actually fulfilling. The difference between the Lord's teaching and theirs was this clear understanding of His heart and intention.
The blasphemy thing- there never was a commandment against blaspheming the Son. The entire discourse on blaspheming and the part relating to the Holy Spirit was not a command but a warning.
The difference is obvious.

There is a clear difference between the Old and New Covenants with regard with, to Blaspheme God!

You do what you want to but if you are right about the warning, it makes no difference to me, I'll still take God's warning as a COMMAND to not do it!!!!!!!........Good Grief!!!
 
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God is different??

God has not changed at all. Surprised to see so many post by those that say they are Christians about this topic.

If he seems different to someone in the OT, that just means you need more revelation to help your understanding, but God told us he changes not. That statement alone should have been good enough.

Jesus changed our ability to have a relationship with God, and bridged that gap between us and God. It's not that God has changed, he made a way to give us light and the ability to understand who he really is.

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