Can A Christian Lose Their Salvation?

[RJ]

Yes, there are many passages in the New Testament which tells us exactly that. What many fail to either realize or just simply disregard is that it is repentance which qualifies us for salvation; which is the first thing that Christ tells us to do; which also is required to receive remission of sins. Many churches bypass this, and teach a no cost faith, which deceives many, and their sins are left untouched. We must needs listen to the Lord Jesus Christ first, then if another has something to say, let us hear them with heed, whether they are in line with Christ or not. Beloved, there is a beginning of Christianity, and the beginning is exactly what was the first Word that proceeded out of the mouth of Christ when He began His ministry; and this Word is "Repent".

Who are you talking to?
There are many passages in the New Testament that tells us exactly, WHAT?

I have a "no cost" faith, God gave me his Grace and he said it was a gift and if it is a gift it is free.....no cost!!!

Sure you must repent but that doesn't mean you must repent all the time, 24/7 and don't forget a day and what do you do when that happens...what about the things you don't see to repent for, who pays for those sins? Sounds like you stuck in the law of works and don't believe in Grace I know.

And, NO, I don't think that I can sin as much as I want. God has taken away many of my sins and I rely on the Holy Spirit to continually convict me of my transgressions and help me work my way through those.

I hate sin but, unfortunately, just like Paul in Romans Chapter 7, I am sinful and again, like Paul in Romans 8:1...thanks be to God, for there is no condemnation for those in Christ.

IT's not that I don't look at my sin, I do but, I believe God when he tells me that he doesn't look at them!!!...."Amazing Grace, how sweet the sound."

Sure Jesus said to repent but show me where he said to repent and repent and repent and keep repenting or you are not saved!!

 

[SpiritLedEd]

He was essentially telling Pilate that he should be killing Judas because he is the one who sinthe plotned, where as Jesus had done nothing wrong.

In Jn 19:11, I believe the "greater sin" belongs to Caiaphas the high priest, the man who orchestrated Jesus being handed over to Pilate. Judas was only a pawn in the plot.

SLE

 

[El Hombre viejo]

Lose Your Salvation?

Christians seem to LOVE to complicate things. Salvation included. Salvation is really simple. Truly. Look at these scriptures.

Mark 16:16
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.



John 10:9
I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

Acts 2:21
And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Romans 10:13
For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

So you decided to believe Jesus. You decided to put your entire life into His hands. You're saved.
Can you lose that salvation? No. Its a gift. Ephesians 2:8-10 (King James Version)

<sup id="en-KJV-29238" class="versenum">8</sup>For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
<sup id="en-KJV-29239" class="versenum">9</sup>Not of works, lest any man should boast.


The gifts of God are without repentance, which means, He won't take it back. Romans 11:29
For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
What one should consider is. Will you be part of the bride? Or will you just get into heaven? Its your choice.
If you choose to be part of the bride of Christ you must learn to be an overcomer.
1 John 5:4
For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

1 John 5:5
Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

Revelation 2:7
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

Revelation 2:11
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.


Revelation 2:26
And he that overcometh, and keepeth my word unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

Revelation 3:5
He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.


Revelation 3:12
Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is
new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

Revelation 3:21
To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.


Revelation 21:7
He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

You want to learn to speak like Jesus who only said what the Father said. You want to learn to live like Jesus who only did what the Father did. If you will not then you will not be an overcomer and Satan will kick your butt till you die and go to heaven.
Jesus only said what the Father said, so you have to find out what Jesus says about any situation you face and say only that. You have to live in the Word. Not only a few hours a week but all the time.

I'll stop here for now.

 

[RJ]

In Jn 19:11, I believe the "greater sin" belongs to Caiaphas the high priest, the man who orchestrated Jesus being handed over to Pilate. Judas was only a pawn in the plot.

SLE

Everyone here at TJ's has an opinion and I guess you could say that I am no different but your opinion here makes no since. Caiaphas and everyone else would have understood that they were working under the Law and that Caiaphas would have no sin...look at verse 7. But, it really makes no difference who it was, the original thread about Jn 19:11 was made to prove that God differentiates between sins , that all sin is not the same.

My original reply was that Jn 19:11 had nothing to do with that. Jesus was talking to Pilate in terms that he understood. Pilate had already said the he essentially couldn't find that Jesus had done anything wrong. Jesus was telling him that God was in full control of him and the person that had turned Jesus over, regardless of who it was. That, if it had already been established that Jesus was innocent, why still talk about killing him, if you are going to punish someone why not the one that had the greater sin...something that Pilate would have understood.
The irony is that Jesus was saying that he was sinful, how ridicuolus was that?

Again, the bottom line here is that, someone had use Jn 19:11 to prove that all sin is not the same to God; and another frail attempt to support a belief by taking something out of context.

The truth is that all sin is the same to God! With out Jesus, any sin would kill you. It's just like the Law, if the Law is going to save you, you have to do it perfectly 24/7; miss just one and your dead!

 

[The Robster]

Based on scripture, I believe you can lose your salvation, but its not easy to do. First it involves partaking in the "spiritual gifts" and after partaking in them, telling Jesus you don't want Him in your life anymore. Telling Him you don't want His salvation anymore. From some of my readings, this has happened before but its very difficult to get to this point where you do this. But it certainly possible, just not easy to do.

 

[El Hombre viejo]

Based on scripture, I believe you can lose your salvation, but its not easy to do. First it involves partaking in the "spiritual gifts" and after partaking in them, telling Jesus you don't want Him in your life anymore. Telling Him you don't want His salvation anymore. From some of my readings, this has happened before but its very difficult to get to this point where you do this. But it certainly possible, just not easy to do.

All right!! Semantics. LOL I call that throwing it away not losing it. :shade:

 

[RJ]

Based on scripture, I believe you can lose your salvation, but its not easy to do. First it involves partaking in the "spiritual gifts" and after partaking in them, telling Jesus you don't want Him in your life anymore. Telling Him you don't want His salvation anymore. From some of my readings, this has happened before but its very difficult to get to this point where you do this. But it certainly possible, just not easy to do.

That's interesting! Would you please provide that scripture for the rest us, so we can share in your knowledge?

 

[El Hombre viejo]

That's interesting! Would you please provide that scripture for the rest us, so we can share in your knowledge?

I think this is the verse Rob is thinking of..?


Hebrews 6:4-6 (King James Version)


<sup class="versenum" id="en-KJV-30049">4</sup>For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
<sup class="versenum" id="en-KJV-30050">5</sup>And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
<sup class="versenum" id="en-KJV-30051">6</sup>If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

 

[RJ]

I think this is the verse Rob is thinking of..?


Hebrews 6:4-6 (King James Version)


<sup class="versenum" id="en-KJV-30049">4</sup>For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
<sup class="versenum" id="en-KJV-30050">5</sup>And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
<sup class="versenum" id="en-KJV-30051">6</sup>If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

I thought we beat that one to death already. If that is Robs answer, it is wrong. In these verses, Paul is talking to the "Believers and the Saved" and he was telling them about " Apostate non-believers, that were never saved in the first place. Paul is saying: "IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO FALL AWAY TO REJECTION OF CHRIST AFTER BEING ONCE TRULY SAVED."..... an example: I have actually had a person tell me that they where a Christian once but they turned to Allah and are now a Muslim. They may very well be a Muslim now but, emphatically, they never tasted the fruits of the Spirit or were saved and "Born Again" in the first place.....think about it "Old Man": are you saved and can you be
un-born and fall away to the rejection of Christ?...I certainly can't and I know that in my heart, because that is where He resides!!

 

[Bluebird]

Regarding once saved, always saved

I am personally dealing with this with a younger relative. She is what I call a "crisis christian". That is, whenever she has an earth-shaking crisis in her life, she comes back to Jesus. She is now going through a nasty, painful divorce. She married a non-Christian who, when presented with the gospel, rejected Jesus outright, with hostility. He committed adultery repeatedly before and during their marriage. They have one child who is a special needs child and requires a great deal of constant supervision/attention. She cannot work outside of the home due to her child's needs. He has decided to divorce her, pays no child support, quit paying the mortgage so that his wife and child will be put out on the street. Yes, this is all tragic yet somehow this relative thinks none of it is her fault. She does not recognize her choices have led to this. Yes, the man is a jerk, no question. But this woman has Buddhas in her home, new age crystals, symbols relating to various idols; all these have prominent places in her home. She cries out to God to help her, to deliver her. Yet she lives her life in rebellion to Him. Before she married this man she found out he was cheating on her. At that time, I witnessed her 'accept Jesus' in front of the congregation; yet she married him anyways. And turned her back on her faith. Now she wants to be rescued...again.
Sorry for the rant; my question is, how do I reach her? Or is it too late? I have allowed myself to become emotionally involved...big mistake. I can still listen to her but must distance myself so I am not emotionally and spiritually pulled down into this quagmire. Every day is a new crisis with her. I love her dearly, but am very frustrated.

 

[Brighthouse]

Bluebird i looked to send you a private messege, but could not. Rev 3:20 we can present Jesus,they have to open the door to him. She has dug herself in a deeper hole,and the enemy is looking to put you in with her! Do not allow this. 1 tim 1:19! Keeping faith AND!! a good consicence which some have shipwrecked,don't you allow the enemy, to shipwreck your faith as well! She must get rid of all the false idols,if she listens to you,then Praise the Lord, you have gained back a sister,but if she does not,you did all you could for her,when a rope is thrown down to someone,they have to take the rope! If they do not,you cannot feel guilty.I hope this has both encourged you,and bless God gave you some sanity back as well! We love,Jesus did as well,but he also gave us the right not to. He was forsaken,we can be to for him! Blessing to you sister!

 

[RJ]

I am personally dealing with this with a younger relative. She is what I call a "crisis christian". That is, whenever she has an earth-shaking crisis in her life, she comes back to Jesus. She is now going through a nasty, painful divorce. She married a non-Christian who, when presented with the gospel, rejected Jesus outright, with hostility. He committed adultery repeatedly before and during their marriage. They have one child who is a special needs child and requires a great deal of constant supervision/attention. She cannot work outside of the home due to her child's needs. He has decided to divorce her, pays no child support, quit paying the mortgage so that his wife and child will be put out on the street. Yes, this is all tragic yet somehow this relative thinks none of it is her fault. She does not recognize her choices have led to this. Yes, the man is a jerk, no question. But this woman has Buddhas in her home, new age crystals, symbols relating to various idols; all these have prominent places in her home. She cries out to God to help her, to deliver her. Yet she lives her life in rebellion to Him. Before she married this man she found out he was cheating on her. At that time, I witnessed her 'accept Jesus' in front of the congregation; yet she married him anyways. And turned her back on her faith. Now she wants to be rescued...again.
Sorry for the rant; my question is, how do I reach her? Or is it too late? I have allowed myself to become emotionally involved...big mistake. I can still listen to her but must distance myself so I am not emotionally and spiritually pulled down into this quagmire. Every day is a new crisis with her. I love her dearly, but am very frustrated.

Since you asked, so here is a couple of perspectives from my point of view; if you think some are judgmental, I don't mean to be but just trying to get you to understand something, if you don't already.

1. It sounds to me that your relative is a "Christian Of Convenience", only having a relationship with Jesus when she wants or needs it. I am afraid that is a false relationship and may indicate that, no matter what you think she did in front of a congregation, she may not be "Born Again" of the Spirit. There are plenty of people in Churches that are called or call themselves Christians but, unfortunately are not even close.
I have been Baptized (in water) but I am not an advocate of it as a prerequisite to salvation. My point here is, there are many people who have been Water Baptized in font of many a gathering and are not saved or "Born Again".
As it goes with every Church. God reveals this when he tells us that: Faith with out works is dead. Jesus said, " I am the vine and you are the branches, if you are in me and I in you, you will bear much fruits (works) but with out me, you can do nothing." It is not our fruits that we bear but his works through us. Does that sound like your relative?

Test her Spirit, go back to the time that she accepted Christ. Ask her if she felt the change in her heart and mind, did she become hungry for the word and a strong urge to tell others of her experience and seek other Christians.
Though God truly is the only one that knows what's in a Man's heart but,I am a firm believer that there are signs that another "Born Again" Christian will recognize.
If she is not familiar or comfortable with you testing, and when she is ready, have her do it all over again, it's what I call "Doing it Again For The First Time"....you have to want it!!!
I suggest you do it with her, I am sure that God has burden your heart over this and wants you to bear His fruit (works) through you in this matter. You can take her through Romans 13: 8-13, help her do what it says...say it from her own lips and believe in her heart.
But , again, she has to openly want and desire this change in her heart and life.

2. The last thing, that you can only do so much, accept what God wants you to do but I don't think that he wants to burden you beyond your means, that is mainly her decision. I am not saying this is the case but, she may never truly come to Christ. But, as long as she lives and breathes, Jesus is ready to make her a "Child Of God"

 

[rojoloco]

I smell a faint hint of a Calvinist lurking near by...


To the Calvinist.......

Animals will be animals... they do what they are programed to do.

Animals do not feel empathy for other Animals, they are not interested in another animal's goals or dreams. Animals do not achieve advances in science. They do not invent, they just respond to environment.
Microsoft will never compete with Monkeysoft.

Yet, Humans can invent, change their environment and have empathy for others...... They can leave God, and the Hope of the Gospel if they choose.

But to the Calvinist, there is only the screwed ones, damned to hell, no choice, just royally screwed by God. Then there are the lucky ones, who should be grateful that God picked them. They did not deserve to be picked like the once that did not get picked, yet they were.
They have no choice also, they become a slave to God by design.... God wanted slaves, remember... Not children... or the Calvinist thinks..

To the Calvinist, we are but as the animals.... Some born to swim in the ocean, some born to climb tree's and eat Banana's. Some created to live a miserable life on Earth, and the reward is a good eternal roasting in Hell. Some picked out of some Heavenly lotto picking system, and just get lucky to have that eternal Salvation....

God created us in HIS image.... God wanted Children, and a Child can leave, and not be found again... The Lost sheep that did not come back. A sheep, like God who's image the sheep was created had the ability to make a choice.

Jesus Is Lord

You smelled a faint smell of Calvinism. All I smelled was the reek of ignorance. You clearly have no real understanding of Calvinism based on your "explanation" of what Calvinists believe. It's unfortunate. To be honest, a misunderstanding of Calvinism (along with the innate strong human desire to be our own master) is what gives Calvinism a bad name.

Yes, I am a Calvinist but it was not my intent to speak on that subject on here. I know Calvinism is not embraced on this site like it is on the forum I own so I tend to avoid the subject on here. However, it will still be evident in my posts because it is laced all throughout my theology and doctrine.

Not to be mean or rude but it is my strong request that you stop "explaining" Calvinism until you actually come to understand what it teaches.

 

[RJ]

You smelled a faint smell of Calvinism. All I smelled was the reek of ignorance. You clearly have no real understanding of Calvinism based on your "explanation" of what Calvinists believe. It's unfortunate. To be honest, a misunderstanding of Calvinism (along with the innate strong human desire to be our own master) is what gives Calvinism a bad name.

Yes, I am a Calvinist but it was not my intent to speak on that subject on here. I know Calvinism is not embraced on this site like it is on the forum I own so I tend to avoid the subject on here. However, it will still be evident in my posts because it is laced all throughout my theology and doctrine.

Not to be mean or rude but it is my strong request that you stop "explaining" Calvinism until you actually come to understand what it teaches.

Excuse me, your theology and doctrine! Are you a God?

 

[El Hombre viejo]

Excuse me, your theology and doctrine! Are you a God?

My my!! People are getting really feisty on this thread. Now might be a good time to practice walking in love?
A persons individual beliefs should NEVER be put to ridicule or put down in any way. Show him a better product than what he has, and he will change his beliefs.

 

[RJ]

My my!! People are getting really feisty on this thread. Now might be a good time to practice walking in love?
A persons individual beliefs should NEVER be put to ridicule or put down in any way. Show him a better product than what he has, and he will change his beliefs.

What's love got to do with it, Crazy Red made the statement; I have been part of this thread for sometime now. If he made his comment in the community thread, which I have participated, why can't I ask him to clarify such a bold statement without being falsely accused.

With all due love and respect, brother, I don't see where asking someone to clarify their "Theology and Doctrine" when, especially, it often opposes what my Bible says about the doctrines of Christ. Many a Man's self imposed doctrines have cause more harm that good, that I am sure of and, anyone who has their OWN personal theology and doctrine that is often opposite of the God I know, I think asking them if they are God is not inappropriate...What does it say before you judge others...less you be judged. Now, who has ridiculed?

 

[lanie0323]

Hi guys, I just want to share what I've learned from my Discovery class in our church.
We just discussed this last Sunday and I'm glad I could share it with you all.

"A genuine born again Christian cannot lose his salvation. Eternal life is permanent. Otherwise it is not eternal."

According to my teacher, we can be assured that even though we sin (and God knows that because we our not perfect), our salvation cannot be taken from us anymore because:

1. of the testimony of the blood & water (1 John 5:6-7)
2. of God's testimony (1 John 5:8-9)
3. because God is faithful. He never change His mind. (1 John 5:10)

 

[RJ]

Hi guys, I just want to share what I've learned from my Discovery class in our church.
We just discussed this last Sunday and I'm glad I could share it with you all.

"A genuine born again Christian cannot lose his salvation. Eternal life is permanent. Otherwise it is not eternal."

According to my teacher, we can be assured that even though we sin (and God knows that because we our not perfect), our salvation cannot be taken from us anymore because:

1. of the testimony of the blood & water (1 John 5:6-7)
2. of God's testimony (1 John 5:8-9)
3. because God is faithful. He never change His mind. (1 John 5:10)

Great answer lanie!
Jesus said that he came to give us life and give it more abundantly, which of course he meant Spiritual Life. He also said that he is the truth and the truth will set you free.

Enjoy your freedom my Sister!

 

[The Robster]

All right!! Semantics. LOL I call that throwing it away not losing it. :shade:

Yea you're right it is more throwing it away than it is just haven't it slip from your fingers. Its definitely a conscious decision on a person's part but it comes after partaking in the "spiritual gifts." Its a little more complicated than it seems.

 

[lanie0323]

Great answer lanie!
Jesus said that he came to give us life and give it more abundantly, which of course he meant Spiritual Life. He also said that he is the truth and the truth will set you free.

Enjoy your freedom my Sister!

Thanks bro!

That's right. A Christian is one who experience victory over habitual sin.
Like what I shared earlier, our Father knows that even though we already surrendered our life to His Son, sin is still around us, and as a human, we are still prone in making mistakes. BUT, Jesus will ALWAYS help us and keep us away from sinning.

God will give us understanding and will use our conscience to prevent us from falling into the pit of sin.