No Such Thing as Once Save Always Saved!

[HoneyBare]

Jesus talks of many seeds. Only the ones in good soil is ever truly rooted in Him and will remain. The rest taste of Him but never really love Him and in truth never really belonged to Him at all as is demonstrated in this verse:
1Jn 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

I remember when you showed me this, Bo, about the seeds in the good soil. I remember when I surrendered my life to Christ, but didn't think I really loved Him enough. You said the more I got to know Him, the more I'd fall in love with Him. And so, I read more about His character and believed His unfailing love for me, and I talked with Him more, and it worked. And I have continued on with Him. If I had not taken that advice, I don't think I'd still be here. So, you do have to work at your salvation daily. And you will work at it if you are truely saved. Just my two cents. :shade:

 

[divine]

So if they "push God out of their lives" I would think they lost salvation. This post I made wasn't about me but was about the topic. Just stated what I experienced to make a point. She was a Christian, very devoted, but sin got her. So to me she is lost again. So once saved always saved didn't hold up. And also the Romans passage I mentioned kind of wraps it up for me.

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God said I will never leave you nor forsake you. Even if you "push God out of their live", or felt God is far far away, the moment you call upon Him, He should be there as your helper. The prodigal son pictured the earthly father as a loving God. The prodigal son intention to come back home is merely to fill his stomach with pig's food and has rehearse intending to say "I have sinned against you" so that he has food to eat. But the father never even gave him the chance to say that but instead shouted to his servants to bring forth the best robe and kill the fatted cow for celebration. Robe speak of righteouness and this prodigal son was once again embraced with righteousness despite he spent all his money on prositutes.

So if you think we can lose our salvation, then Jesus has to come down ever so often to die again for those who think they have lost their salvation.

The last word before Jesus gave up His spirit at the cross was 'Its finished". means our sin have being nailed at the cross and done with, past present and future.

My motives are NOT to sin, so mine would be unintentional or unwilful sin. Intentional, wilful sin that is unrelenting, producing no sorrow over it, means turning away from God.

Everyone borned into this earth has sin (singular-verb). It was passed down from Adam. It's not the physical sins per se (noun - pural) such as stealing. Adam's sin (verb) is the mother of all sins (noun).

In the book of Roman, sins were mentioned 47 times which refers to a noun. Only one time mentioned is a verb, ie rom 6:14

God saved us from our sin, not sins (such as stealing or having a mistress). If we reckoned we have a stealing problem, we can tell God about it to eradicate the bad habit. If we just stole and met an accident outside the departmental store and die, will we go to heaven? Of course we do. So its not the willful sin or unintentional sin as the criterion whether we will lose our salvation.

Our sin was nailed at the cross 2,000 yrs ago once and for all (including your sin and mine sin), otherwise we are 2,000 yrs too late.

 

[Deep_MindQuest]

Can You Lose Your Salvation?


"for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.




" -Hebrews13:5

"In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise," -Ephesians1:13

Many people will say if they do not live a good Christian life, God will take away their Eternal Security (Salvation). Whereas, the person that has "fallen" away from the Lord will go to hell for not keeping and maintaining a good Christian life. On the contrary, John 3:16 reads that once a believer is saved, they are always saved. The plain truth is, ONCE SAVED, ALWAYS SAVED! Some people will comment that they were once a Christian, but quit being one.



Then they weren't Christians to begin with!

"...I say then, Hath God cast away his people?..." -Romans 11:1

The moment you call upon Jesus Christ to take you to heaven when you die, you are SAVED. Did you have to do anything to obtain such a wonderful blessing from The Lord? (Besides call upon Him.) No! So, is their any difference to say that you can lose your Eternal Security if you do something wrong? No! You can commit some horrible sins as a Christian, and still hold on to your Salvation! That doesn't mean, though, a Christian can get away with sinning.




"And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die.




Believest thou this?" -John 11:26

Would Satan do such a thing as this nonsense? Satan knows he's going to burn in Hell for ever.


So what does he concur? He tries his hardest to deceive BILLIONS of people in going to Hell with him! He'll do ANYTHING to make a lost soul stay lost from Jesus Christ! When you were once lost and going to hell, Satan was your father! But when you received God's wonderful gift for Salvation, you became a child of God! Did Satan give up? No! He still tried to lure your new soul into temptation away from your Heavenly Father! Satan doesn't GIVE UP! So why would God GIVE UP on His OWN CHILDREN?! He won't! God made a promise to NEVER leave his children whether they be good or bad NO MATTER WHAT!

"And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.



" -John10:28

So many people refuse to accept the fact, in order to get saved, all they have to do is put their faith in Jesus Christ. Why? People generally have a hard time to believe in something they can't use their five senses on.


So these pseudo cults come up with man made traditions telling people if they follow this religion they'll be guaranteed Eternal Security! Such as, getting baptized, living a sinless life, going to Purgatory, speaking in tongues to prove your saved, being slain in the spirit, and all whole bunch of other gimmicks! This is works! Not Faith! This way is Hell's way! Faith lead to the path of God's way! You DON'T have to do works to KEEP your salvation! It's by FAITH your saved into God's kingdom!

"Any denial of eternal security is, in its essence, a belief that we must maintain our own salvation by our own good works. This is completely antithetical to salvation by grace. We are saved because of Christ's merits, not our own (Romans 4:3-8). To claim that we must obey God's Word or live a godly life to maintain our salvation is equal to saying that Jesus' death was not sufficient to pay the penalty for our sins. Jesus' death was absolutely sufficient to pay for all of our sins - past, present, and future, pre-salvation and post-salvation (Romans 5:8; 1 Corinthians 15:3; 2 Corinthians 5:21).


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"Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;" -Titus 3:5

When your born into the world, that was your physical birth. When you obtained Salvation through Jesus Christ, (Got saved) that was your SPIRITUAL birth.


I ask you this simple question, "How can you unborn yourself?" You can't! It's IMPOSSIBLE to do such a thing! To think God will unborn your spirit and send you to hell after you've accepted Christ as your own personal Savior, is complete LIES and HERESY! So why do so many Christian's think they can lose their Salvation? They are doctrinally mislead to believing Satan's LIES! Once you've accepted Jesus Christ as your personal Savior to take you to Heaven when you die, you are 110 percent, with out a doubt--SAVED! It was your spiritual birth and no man can take that birth (Salvation) away from you!

"And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die.



Believest thou this?" -John 11:26

If anyone tells you that you can lose your salvation, they are teaching HERESY! The Bible NEVER mentions that if a person gets saved, they can lose their salvation! No one wants to admit the plain truth that once your saved, your always saved! If your a Christian that believes you must work for the assurance of your Salvation, YOU HAVE BEEN DECEIVED! May God speak in your hearts with this message on Salvation, Amen.


"For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.


" -Romans 11:25

"I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
John 10:9I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

 

[Boanerges]

I remember when you showed me this, Bo, about the seeds in the good soil. I remember when I surrendered my life to Christ, but didn't think I really loved Him enough. You said the more I got to know Him, the more I'd fall in love with Him. And so, I read more about His character and believed His unfailing love for me, and I talked with Him more, and it worked. And I have continued on with Him. If I had not taken that advice, I don't think I'd still be here. So, you do have to work at your salvation daily. And you will work at it if you are truely saved. Just my two cents. :shade:

Let me share something I posted somewhere else. Perhaps it will demonstrate my perspective on that:

Jas 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
Jas 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
Jas 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

What if Abraham had done these works in his flesh, at his leading instead of from faith in God? Works are the good and natural fruit of true faith.

Rom 4:1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
Rom 4:2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
Rom 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
Rom 4:4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
Rom 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

We know that faith without works not being true faith is indeed dead (head knowledge only). The works Abraham did were God's work and he simply obeyed with childlike faith. This place were God's move is met with faith is the place of gold, silver and precious stones. Had Abraham tried it on his own he would have simply created another Ishmael (wood, hay and stubble).
Works proceed from faith and not faith from works.
Trust God and step out in faith but like Christ only at His command and there is no limit to what He can do through you.
Selah.
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I truly believe that the work is His, the power is His and when I abide in the Vine His life flows in and through me producing results. He created us for good works but they are not the source of our salvation and the scripture palinly declares this- (Titus) 3:5-8.
This is my opinion and I am not expecting anyone to change their mind but as God gives me grace I love to share and edify my family in Christ.

 

[milleradam37]

i agree with the doctrine of eternal security. i once wrestled with this myself, until i realized that i am not the justifier, Jesus is. your faith is justifed by your works, but not salvation itself, it is total grace, the gift of God, as he said, "I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy", that means anyone he wants to. One of my favorite books is the book of Galations, because there Paul states clearly there is only one gospel, why should we turn to another gospel. after having began in faith, are we perfected by the law?
However, we can tell whether we are saved or not by the fruits we bear. do we have love, joy peace, longsuffering, meekness, temperance, goodness and faith? or do we still practice drunkeness, adultery, murder, hate?
We can look at the process of salvation being very much like a plant. First the seed is planted in good soil. then it eventually grows, and then eventually bears some kind of fruit. by this token, if i plant tomato seed in a pot of soil, i would not expect to find tomatoes on it the next day. i wait patiently for the tomatoes to come in their own time, in the mean time applying sunlight and water to it. some grow faster than others.

He that began a good work in you will finish it.

 

[yort]

False Doctrine;Such Shame it is.

Troy a servant of God and the Lord Jesus Christ

It never seeems to have an end this type of teaching. And why it seems to drive right through me, still seems to affirm in me my spirit that hates such lies and falseness. But such is the nature & charactor of sin.

Is it by your work & deternination, your skillful craft, your high level of knowledge & understanding that keeps your salvation boxed & secured from the great destroyer of men.

Does your reading of the Holy Bible put lock & key upon that which is through faith & by grace in tender mercy given to you at the price of my savior, yes my savior!

For that which you claim does not have everlasting power, that which was started in you is not finished & lacks that which I`m reassurred is true faith.

What was started in me is finished & completed in my salvation by the Almighty. My savior is all powerful able to look forward at my sinful flesh and tell me that His grace is suficent .

Thats my savior, my God, I don`t know yours, but it`s not very hard to draw a conclusion to who it is.

TROY

 

[SpiritLedEd]

Thats my savior, my God, I don`t know yours, but it`s not very hard to draw a conclusion to who it is.

Yort, I've given you a warning for the thinly veiled insult in this sentence that you aimed at other members. Forum rules forbid insulting other members. If you continue to attack those who disagree with you in such an unChristlike way, you will be banned.

SLE

 

[Boanerges]

I have never once lost, nor will I ever loose anything I completely trust in His hand.:shade:

 

[aristotle]

i do not believe in osas neither do i think it is a matter of saved this moment but not the next. the question is: am i in Christ? if i am in Him then i am His, period!!!. however, it can not be denied that men have forsaken Him and have done so even though they have seen His power and glory. if men could not forsake Him then what is the reason of calling a man a heretic. even the apostle peter said that it would have been better to have never known than to know and turn away.

ladies and gentleman, we need to grasp a thing here. as long as i have my face turned towards Him to follow Him, to be obedient and faithful to Him then i remain in Him. His death and resurrection guarantee my salvation only so long as i continue in my obedience and faithfulness. but if for any "reason", and there are some, i am no longer pleased to call Him my Lord and my God then i no longer will remain in Him. God takes no man to heaven forcibly. we get to love Him or it is not love.

for the one who spoke of always being his father's son and nothing can ever change that, i remind you that the law does provide for being disinherited. oh, yes! make no bones about it, if you reach a point where you refuse to be a faithful son you can be cut off. it can be made to be as though you were never a part.

i don't know why anyone would forsake God. how could you, considering how wonderful He is, ever reach a place where you would turn your back on Him? i don't know exactly but it does happen. men do shipwreck their faith. for me, i can not even begin to imagine the pain in His heart. for me, i want to remain in Him.

and so i follow........who will come with me to pursue after Him?

 

[RJ]

i do not believe in osas neither do i think it is a matter of saved this moment but not the next. the question is: am i in Christ? if i am in Him then i am His, period!!!. however, it can not be denied that men have forsaken Him and have done so even though they have seen His power and glory. if men could not forsake Him then what is the reason of calling a man a heretic. even the apostle peter said that it would have been better to have never known than to know and turn away.

ladies and gentleman, we need to grasp a thing here. as long as i have my face turned towards Him to follow Him, to be obedient and faithful to Him then i remain in Him. His death and resurrection guarantee my salvation only so long as i continue in my obedience and faithfulness. but if for any "reason", and there are some, i am no longer pleased to call Him my Lord and my God then i no longer will remain in Him. God takes no man to heaven forcibly. we get to love Him or it is not love.

for the one who spoke of always being his father's son and nothing can ever change that, i remind you that the law does provide for being disinherited. oh, yes! make no bones about it, if you reach a point where you refuse to be a faithful son you can be cut off. it can be made to be as though you were never a part.

i don't know why anyone would forsake God. how could you, considering how wonderful He is, ever reach a place where you would turn your back on Him? i don't know exactly but it does happen. men do shipwreck their faith. for me, i can not even begin to imagine the pain in His heart. for me, i want to remain in Him.

and so i follow........who will come with me to pursue after Him?

Exactly, any one who is a new creature in Christ knows the difference between before salvation and salvation. Your human, you make mistakes, you suffer, it's natural to have some doubt creap in a times but, over all you know the truth and you would never completely turn your face away and forsake God and turn to Apostacy, unlike a professing Christian who actually has never been saved, the possibilities are endless for you turn and deny Jesus Christ.

Saved Christians sin and the unsaved sin. We pull away from God all the time because of our sin but, the diffence is that we are saved and God said that He would never leave us.

Like St. Paul said in Romans 7:24 thru Romans 8:1

24What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? 25Thanks be to God—through Jesus Christ our Lord!
So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law, but in the sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.1Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus,

I am sinner,I am forgiven at the cross and because I have Christ in me, I hate the sins that I do, with the help of the Holy Spirit, I will continue to work of that but I am ,never the less, saved throughout all eternity, OSAS!
Thanks be to God—through Jesus Christ our Lord!

 

[Veracity]

There is more to "Believing in Jesus" than saying the words, I believe. God's salvation has many ingredients in His bread of life.
God uses a pencil with an eraser according to scripture.

 

[SpiritLedEd]

I'm closing this thread. Solomon's claim that "There is nothing new under the sun" (Ecc 1:9) surely applies to this topic. No need to continue this thread.

SLE