King James Onlyism

[Mark Staten]

I thought I remembered reading something about it being good or wise, for a man or king, to have many counsellers or advisors, but I cant seem to find it searching wise, wisdom, king, etc. If someone knows it and could post it or just message me I would appreciate it .

I believe that Proverb 1:2-7 is the one your looking for:

v2. To know wisdom and instruction; to perceive the words of understanding;

v3. to receive the instruction of wisdom, justice, and judgment, and equity;

v4. To give subtlety to the simple, to the young man knowledge and discretion.

v5.A wise man will hear, and will increase learning; and a man of understanding shall attain unto wise counsels:

v6. to understand a proverb,and the interpretation; the words of the wise, and their dark sayings.

v7. The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.


If this not what you are wanting, please let me know and we will find it together.

IT'S HOLY GHOST TIME!!!


I Corinthians 1:18

 

[Yeshualives]

Is it:-

Prov 11:14 Where no counsel is, the people fall: but in the multitude of counsellors there is safety.

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[Yeshualives]

I did not write this post to get into the debate with anyone, I wrote my thoughts on how we seem to get caught up in what translation others are using and taking our eyes off the the thing that matters, getting souls to Christ.

I have seen in many of these posts that one verse means this in one translation and another meaning in another translation. This tells me that man only wants to hear his word and not God's word. I believe that when you ask the Holy Spirit to teach you, while learning from all the translations, you will get God's meaning. not mans. I have seen the photocopy of the 1611 King James Bible and the average person can not read it, but I'm not saying anything bad about the KJV, but I am not going to put down other translations or people that believe in them. As long as they except John 3:16 with all their heart then we have done what Jesus asked us to do. After that I will teach them how to live a Christian life with what ever way the Holy Spirit leads them.

Love Mark
IT'S HOLY GHOST TIME!!!

I apologise for coming across as picky or argumentative - i reread my post and it may have come across this way - after all -we are brothers and sisters in Christ.

 

[Timothy75]

Thanks Mark Staten, and Yeshualives. I think Proverbs 11:14 is closest.

I just thought I remembered it being in specific context of a wise king receives much counsil. I will try looking on the other side of the road and search for fool and king and see if I cant find it that way. But 11:14 does say what I was trying to say The more versions and scholars to compare and pray for understanding from the better chance the truth will stick out. I have been told the KJV is good for nothing more than firewood. I'll continue to pray for that gentleman.

 

[greatlybeloved]

All,

We often get distracted by their (KJVO) tone. Some KJV-only guys (like Peter Ruckman) even started saying that KJV is BETTER than the manuscripts from which KJV is translated from. That is extremism!

However the KJVO proponents have some valid arguments to which we need to answer. They ask some good questions, I will try to address.

(By the way, I read KJV, and I love it!)

1. Preservation: The Bible (almost all versions) talk about preservation of God's words. God promised so. Then why don't you believe in God's ability to preserve and claim that there are no 100% accurate Scriptures today?
My answer: You need to show me where does the Bible promises preservation of SCRIPTURES (written word). I know there are verses that say the WORD of God will remain for ever, but SCRIPTURES?? May be I'm wrong here, let me know!

2. ALL scripture is given by inspiration of God: Based on this verse, if all scriptures is inspired, and if Bible calls even copies of Scriptures as "scripture" (like the Lord asks the pharisees to "search the Scriptures", and Bereans searched the Scriptures and the Ethiopian eunuch had "Scripture" in his hand [most likely it is a TRANSLATION]), why don't you believe there is a possibility of having inspired Scriptures other than ORIGINALS?
My answer: Fair enough, I agree here. There is a possibility that a copy or even translation can be inspired.

Can you show me ANY Bible that is inspired and accurate?: They ask if there is ANY COMPLETE Bible in the world where we can lay our hands on today?
My answer: Does there have to be ONE COMPLETE Bible at ANY time in the history? If yes, was there ANY complete Bible before KJV was translated (because KJV was not translated from ONE set of manuscripts, they even used translated FROM TRANSLATIONS).

More next....

NOTE: But I respect the KJV only guys for their zeal for the Scriptures.

God bless!

 

[Boanerges]

Simple child like faith.
I have no trouble believing that the God who made heaven and earth could get the Word He wants me to have into my hands. He can easily speak His desire, will and direction to me through it.
Simple child like faith.

 

[BibleBeliever7]

This is an awesome post! I agree with you wholeheartedly.

I dare any KVJO person tell me I'm not getting the interpretation of Scripture because I'm not reading the KJV translation. That's ridiculous. The Holy Spirit is the Author, not "King James". The Holy Spirit is the one who gives understanding of the Scripture as well.

Once again: there is a difference between translations and "revisions" (perverted so called 'bibles' such as JW, Mormons, etc). Don't get that mixed up. Two totally different things.

Luke 4:4 "And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God." KJV

Luke 4:4 Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Man does not live on bread alone. NIV

 

[jiggyfly]

Luke 4:4 "And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God." KJV

Luke 4:4 Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Man does not live on bread alone. NIV

What does this prove?

 

[BibleBeliever7]

We often get distracted by their (KJVO) tone. Some KJV-only guys (like Peter Ruckman) even started saying that KJV is BETTER than the manuscripts from which KJV is translated from. That is extremism!

The King James Bible is better than any set of Greek or Hebrew manuscripts. First of all, know that no one has the "originals", so quit quoting Greek like you know something.

Reasons why the King James Bible is better:

It is available. The originals are not and have not been for 17 centuries.

It has born more fruit than the originals, including the 200 years after they were written.

It has word and sentence separation, which the originals were not supposed to have had.

It is written in the universal language of the 20th century, and the originals were not.

It has chapter and verse numbers for locating passages easily and for checking out false documents and perversions of the Bible. The "originals" had none.

The OT is set out in the pre-millenial order, whereas the Hebrew "originals" were not.

The promise of the church that kept the word was given to the Philadelphia church (1500-1990), not to the early Apostolic church (A.D. 90-200).

 

[jiggyfly]

The King James Bible is better than any set of Greek or Hebrew manuscripts. First of all, know that no one has the "originals", so quit quoting Greek like you know something.

Reasons why the King James Bible is better:

It is available. The originals are not and have not been for 17 centuries.

It has born more fruit than the originals, including the 200 years after they were written.

It has word and sentence separation, which the originals were not supposed to have had.

It is written in the universal language of the 20th century, and the originals were not.

It has chapter and verse numbers for locating passages easily and for checking out false documents and perversions of the Bible. The "originals" had none.

The OT is set out in the pre-millenial order, whereas the Hebrew "originals" were not.

The promise of the church that kept the word was given to the Philadelphia church (1500-1990), not to the early Apostolic church (A.D. 90-200).

This is prime example of why we have to close threads like this one because they become rediculously religious and full of the letter and lacking Spiritual edification and mature understanding.

 

[Copper25]

Just for imputs sake

In a corrupt world that lies in wickedness (1 John 5:19), In a world where satan is the "god" of it (2 Corinthians 4), In a world that only degenerates in moral standards, where this is a "falling away" (2 Thessalonians 2), were there IS perversion of Christainity,

Jude 1:4) For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

Can you really ever tend to believe that there is not a touch of purposful and detrimental modification in these modern versions? I do not only us the king james version, I do compare verses with other versions etc..., but nevertheless, people have perverted the gospel, and you think that they would not tamper with modern versions?
David said
"whether the Greek text used for modern translations are "missing" words"
I ask this, who slew Golith, David or Elhanan

(NIV) 2 Samuel 21:19) In another battle with the Philistines at Gob, Elhanan son of Jaare-Oregim the Bethlehemite killed Goliath the Gittite, who had a spear with a shaft like a weaver's rod.

(NASB) 2 Samuel 21:19) There was war with the Philistines again at Gob, and Elhanan the son of Jaare-oregim the Bethlehemite killed Goliath the Gittite, the shaft of whose spear was like a weaver's beam.

(ASV) 2 Samuel 21:19) And there was again war with the Philistines at Gob; and Elhanan the son of Jaareoregim the Beth-lehemite slew Goliath the Gittite, the staff of whose spear was like a weaver's beam.

(KJV) 2 Samuel 21:19) And there was again a battle in Gob with the Philistines, where Elhanan the son of Jaareoregim, a Bethlehemite, slew the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the staff of whose spear was like a weaver's beam.

Well Well Well, it looks like the modern translations did much more then just take away some words because the entire result of this verse changed with the cut off Do you see now? It is ethier on or the other, David or Elhanan. It is ONLY one or the other. I see a little twist, do you David? If you say the modern translations may be more accurate then I got to ask you this.
How one earth can these modern bibles have different results for the verse? Did Elhanan kill Golith then or is this just completely erroneous? I sense a a lie from the modern versions, do you?

I certainly don't think that these version have their sources quite correct.

 

[Benoni]

Men are corrupt, be it this modern age or past ages; BUT there is a difference between us now; and the past. I have the ability as well as potential to seek truth today by the spirit of God with in me instead of falsely trusting corrupt bias men I have never known. If there is any flaws in the Bible; and there is; it is because God has ordained it. NOTHING HAPPENS OUTSIDE of HIS SOVERIGN and complete will. It is our place to seek, ask and knock; not cover our eyes with blindnessa and fear of being decieved; that very principle will deceive you more then anything. We must seeking HIS GLORY.


Prov 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.

In a corrupt world that lies in wickedness (1 John 5:19), In a world where satan is the "god" of it (2 Corinthians 4), In a world that only degenerates in moral standards, where this is a "falling away" (2 Thessalonians 2), were there IS perversion of Christainity,

Jude 1:4) For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

Can you really ever tend to believe that there is not a touch of purposful and detrimental modification in these modern versions? I do not only us the king james version, I do compare verses with other versions etc..., but nevertheless, people have perverted the gospel, and you think that they would not tamper with modern versions?
David said
"whether the Greek text used for modern translations are "missing" words"
I ask this, who slew Golith, David or Elhanan

(NIV) 2 Samuel 21:19) In another battle with the Philistines at Gob, Elhanan son of Jaare-Oregim the Bethlehemite killed Goliath the Gittite, who had a spear with a shaft like a weaver's rod.

(NASB) 2 Samuel 21:19) There was war with the Philistines again at Gob, and Elhanan the son of Jaare-oregim the Bethlehemite killed Goliath the Gittite, the shaft of whose spear was like a weaver's beam.

(ASV) 2 Samuel 21:19) And there was again war with the Philistines at Gob; and Elhanan the son of Jaareoregim the Beth-lehemite slew Goliath the Gittite, the staff of whose spear was like a weaver's beam.

(KJV) 2 Samuel 21:19) And there was again a battle in Gob with the Philistines, where Elhanan the son of Jaareoregim, a Bethlehemite, slew the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the staff of whose spear was like a weaver's beam.

Well Well Well, it looks like the modern translations did much more then just take away some words because the entire result of this verse changed with the cut off Do you see now? It is ethier on or the other, David or Elhanan. It is ONLY one or the other. I see a little twist, do you David? If you say the modern translations may be more accurate then I got to ask you this.
How one earth can these modern bibles have different results for the verse? Did Elhanan kill Golith then or is this just completely erroneous? I sense a a lie from the modern versions, do you?

I certainly don't think that these version have their sources quite correct.

 

[Chad]

The King James Bible is better than any set of Greek or Hebrew manuscripts. First of all, know that no one has the "originals", so quit quoting Greek like you know something.

Reasons why the King James Bible is better:

It is available. The originals are not and have not been for 17 centuries.

It has born more fruit than the originals, including the 200 years after they were written.

It has word and sentence separation, which the originals were not supposed to have had.

It is written in the universal language of the 20th century, and the originals were not.

It has chapter and verse numbers for locating passages easily and for checking out false documents and perversions of the Bible. The "originals" had none.

The OT is set out in the pre-millenial order, whereas the Hebrew "originals" were not.

The promise of the church that kept the word was given to the Philadelphia church (1500-1990), not to the early Apostolic church (A.D. 90-200).

That is so absurd. This is a perfect example of a KJVO making a complete fool of himself by clearly idolizing a translation over the originals. Wow!

 

[Chad]

Men are corrupt, be it this modern age or past ages; BUT there is a difference between us now; and the past. I have the ability as well as potential to seek truth today by the spirit of God with in me instead of falsely trusting corrupt bias men I have never known. If there is any flaws in the Bible; and there is; it is because God has ordained it. NOTHING HAPPENS OUTSIDE of HIS SOVERIGN and complete will. It is our place to seek, ask and knock; not cover our eyes with blindnessa and fear of being decieved; that very principle will deceive you more then anything. We must seeking HIS GLORY.

Amen brother, in agreement. Its a shame that these KJVO members here can't see this. How ironic that they are the ones deceived into thinking GOD is no way can teach a believer using modern translations. How disgusting to think a sinner (in view of KJVO) can box GOD into a small corner.

 

[MelechYisrael]

much more then just take away some words because the entire result of this verse changed with the cut off[/B] Do you see now? It is ethier on or the other, David or Elhanan. It is ONLY one or the other. I see a little twist, do you David? If you say the modern translations may be more accurate then I got to ask you this.
How one earth can these modern bibles have different results for the verse? Did Elhanan kill Golith then or is this just completely erroneous? I sense a a lie from the modern versions, do you?

I certainly don't think that these version have their sources quite correct.

Interesting.

2 Samuel 21:19 - this verse is from the New King James Version. It says that Elhanan killed Lahma, Goliath's brother.

In the NIV version, 2 Samuel 21:19 it does indeed state that Elhanan killed Goliath.

 

[Copper25]

It is this simple

Proverbs 14:15) The simple believeth every word: but the prudent man looketh well to his going.

This verse is deep but for simplicity's sake, let us walk with discernment. It is that simple

 

[Benoni]

Easter

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4 And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people (KJV)
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Richard Bancroft as well as James the 1st King of England had the KJV of the Bible written so they could influence its content; that is a fact of human history well documented. They wanted to make sure the Puritans of their times were swayed towards the king and the Church of England.

All Bibles are some what influenced by religion; that is a fact, like it or not.

The Bible is the Word of God; but it is not the truth; the truth comes from the Spirit of truth that will lead and guide us in to all truth thought God’s Word not the Bible. If God’s Spirit does not open our spiritual eyes to see what His Word is saying then all you have is another religion.

Many believe they are being led of the spirit because they trust the anointing of their pastor, or system; but God's Word show us how and who we should trust if you have eyes to see.

Most religious men follow a Saul anointing; not a David anointing.
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I worship Jesus my savior not a book.
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Take the word Easter" in Acts 12:4 Here you have a pagan Goddess that was placed in the Bible by corrupt translators.
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EASTER
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pascha ^3957^, mistranslated "Easter" in <Acts 12:4>, KJV, denotes the Passover (RV). The phrase "after the Passover" signifies after the whole festival was at an end.

The term "Easter" is not of Christian origin. It is another form of Astarte, one of the titles of the Chaldean goddess, the queen of heaven. The festival of Pasch held by Christians in post-apostolic times was a continuation of the Jewish feast, but was not instituted by Christ, nor was it connected with Lent. From this Pasch the pagan festival of "Easter" was quite distinct and was introduced into the apostate Western religion, as part of the attempt to adapt pagan festivals to Christianity. See PASSOVER.
(from Vine's Expository Dictionary of Biblical Words)
(Copyright (C) 1985, Thomas Nelson Publishers)
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Rom 11:3-6
3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work. (KJV)
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[jiggyfly]

In a corrupt world that lies in wickedness (1 John 5:19), In a world where satan is the "god" of it (2 Corinthians 4), In a world that only degenerates in moral standards, where this is a "falling away" (2 Thessalonians 2), were there IS perversion of Christainity,

Jude 1:4) For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

Can you really ever tend to believe that there is not a touch of purposful and detrimental modification in these modern versions? I do not only us the king james version, I do compare verses with other versions etc..., but nevertheless, people have perverted the gospel, and you think that they would not tamper with modern versions?
David said
"whether the Greek text used for modern translations are "missing" words"
I ask this, who slew Golith, David or Elhanan

(NIV) 2 Samuel 21:19) In another battle with the Philistines at Gob, Elhanan son of Jaare-Oregim the Bethlehemite killed Goliath the Gittite, who had a spear with a shaft like a weaver's rod.

(NASB) 2 Samuel 21:19) There was war with the Philistines again at Gob, and Elhanan the son of Jaare-oregim the Bethlehemite killed Goliath the Gittite, the shaft of whose spear was like a weaver's beam.

(ASV) 2 Samuel 21:19) And there was again war with the Philistines at Gob; and Elhanan the son of Jaareoregim the Beth-lehemite slew Goliath the Gittite, the staff of whose spear was like a weaver's beam.

(KJV) 2 Samuel 21:19) And there was again a battle in Gob with the Philistines, where Elhanan the son of Jaareoregim, a Bethlehemite, slew the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the staff of whose spear was like a weaver's beam.

Well Well Well, it looks like the modern translations did much more then just take away some words because the entire result of this verse changed with the cut off Do you see now? It is ethier on or the other, David or Elhanan. It is ONLY one or the other. I see a little twist, do you David? If you say the modern translations may be more accurate then I got to ask you this.
How one earth can these modern bibles have different results for the verse? Did Elhanan kill Golith then or is this just completely erroneous? I sense a a lie from the modern versions, do you?

I certainly don't think that these version have their sources quite correct.

Maybe you should research a historical study of King James and his translation. It is just as faulty as any other. Modern translations, translating the text "as is" making it a true translation vs KJV "correcting the textual discrepancy" making it an inaccurate translation, can be quite perplexing when trying to justify one version over another, especially when trying to claim inerrancy for one's favorite bible. To note insuffiency, as in your post concerning "who killed Goliath", in modern translations also reveals insuffiency of translation accuracy in the KJV as well.

Simply put there is no perfect translation, no not one. But how does this truth effect our belief and faith? Well if your faith is founded on a certain bible it could result in tragic consequence because your faith and beliefs (doctrines) would have to be ammended, adjusted or abandoned. But if our faith is in Christ, the Word of God and founded on our spiritual experiences with Him than it has very little effect.

Abraham's faith made him righteous towards God yet there was no scripture, let alone a bible of any kind. But we know that God spoke to Abraham and that Abraham heard God and obeyed without any written testimony. Now don't misunderstand me, I am very thankful for the scriptures and for the gifts of linguistic translation knowledge through spiritual men that God has given us, but if our faith is founded on the scriptures (the written testimony of Jesus the Word of God) rather than Jesus, the Word of God Himself, Then when ever the testimony changes so must our faith. This, then would make us of a different faith and household than Abraham.

For as many are led by KJV,( or NIV,NLT,NASB,NRV,NKJV,CEV,GB) these are the sons of God

Now take a lesson from history, many have been killed because of and in the name of religious paradigm and scripture translation preferences and know this is where discussions like this one are headed and the KJVO is in many cases leading the pack. So considering this it kinda brings in a deeper look at 2Cor. 3:6.

2Corinthians 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. KJV

2Corinthians 3:6 He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant–not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. NIV

 

[Benoni]

Simple child like faith.
I have no trouble believing that the God who made heaven and earth could get the Word He wants me to have into my hands. He can easily speak His desire, will and direction to me through it.
Simple child like faith.

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I had a JW tell me “I need the faith of a child” and I must admit this is so true; but let us examine this a little more. Adam was innocent, naïve and there is nothing more dangerous then a mind of a child. (Just let my 4 year old grandson play next to the road). You see there is a difference between faith of a child; a childish faith.
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Many Christian may be ninety years old and are babes when it comes to spiritual maturity. Oh they may have grown in their church and could tell you the name of every baby born, what time Sunday school begins and who is teaching what; but they will choke on anything spiritual.


SPIRITUAL TEETH:

These brothers and sisters have not matured beyond the baby stage of spiritual development and maturity. When does a baby spiritually speaking grow spiritual teeth? All they can handle is the milk of the Word which is awesome food for babies; but gives them a great big fat juicy spiritual steak and they would choke; they have not grown spiritual teeth. As I said the deep things of God are hidden from the carnal/ intellectual and you are right you need “the faith of a child”. Most place their faith in all the intellectuals; the people they look up to in their church; God is a spirit not a carnal human religious brain; His Word is spirit and it is truth
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A child like faith has nothing to do with having faith in your religion or creeds or doctrines and has everything to have faith in what God is saying to your spirit.
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Matt <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comffice:smarttags" /><st1:time Hour="11" Minute="25">11:25</st1:time> (NIV) At that time Jesus said, "I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children
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Matt <st1:time Hour="11" Minute="25">11:25</st1:time> (NLT) 25 At that time Jesus prayed this prayer: “O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, thank you for hiding these things from those who think themselves wise and clever, and for revealing them to the childlike.
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Matt <st1:time Hour="11" Minute="25">11:25</st1:time> (WE) 25Then Jesus said, `Father, you are Lord of heaven and earth. I thank you because you have hidden these things from people who are wise and know many things. But you have shown them to people who are like children.
Matt <st1:time Hour="11" Minute="25">11:25</st1:time> (TNIV) 25 At that time Jesus said, "I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.
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If God’s Word was so easy to obtain then why there is 20,000 different religions; why do so many debate dogmas, creeds and law of the scripture? I tell you why the deep things of God are hidden from the carnal, the religious. Why do so many try to control God's Word out of fear and ignorance.
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One of the greatest hidden themes of God’s Word is growth; spiritual growth not religious. The Jews during Jesus day knew the Word of God inside and out; but they missed the very Messiah who they were seeking right in front of their eyes; because like our KJO their traditions were their god; not the spirit of truth within them. Many tell you they believe in the Holy Spirit; problem is they do not really follow the spirit of truth they follow their creed, dogmas and reject God spirit leading them; they have last their first love that divine part of God with in each one of us capable of speaking, loving, reproving, teaching, convicting and transforming; the only way the Bible declares that will lead and guide us into all truth.

 

[Benoni]

Abraham's faith made him righteous towards God yet there was no scripture, let alone a bible of any kind. But we know that God spoke to Abraham and that Abraham heard God and obeyed without any written testimony. Now don't misunderstand me, I am very thankful for the scriptures and for the gifts of linguistic translation knowledge through spiritual men that God has given us, but if our faith is founded on the scriptures (the written testimony of Jesus the Word of God) rather than Jesus, the Word of God Himself, Then when ever the testimony changes so must our faith. This, then would make us of a different faith and household than Abraham.

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BIG AMEN…

Romans <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comffice:smarttags" /><st1:time Minute="16" Hour="16">4:16</st1:time> speaks of "the faith of Abraham," and if we possess this faith we would obviously do the works of Abraham. As we also read, "If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham." [John 8:39]. To hold his vision, to have his faith, results in his way of living.

If you have the "faith of the Baptists" you would live in accordance to their creed and doctrine. lf you have the "faith of the Pentecostals' you would follow their mode of living. And if you have the "faith of the Catholics" you would be following their religious system, form, and ceremony. But we are not speaking of these kinds of faith, i.e. system of beliefs, as good as they might be in their own share, and as much as God has used them in former days.But we now address ourselves to that specific faith, that which is GOD-IMPARTED, which indeed Abraham also possessed. And "Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham." [Galatians 3:7]. As Abraham received directly FROM GOD, so also we would receive directly FROM GOD, by the indwelling of the holy Spirit-- and as such would be counted as the children of Abraham, following God in like manner.

"But before the faith came, we were kept under (guarded by) the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. Wherefore thelawwas ourschool-masterto bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that the faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster." [Galatians 3:23-25].

In all cases, in the Greek text, in this passage it is identified as THE FAITH. Abraham had received this faith, however much in a mystery capsule it was given to him, for "the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen THROUGH FAITH, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed." [Galatians 3:23-25].

Long before the gospel-- or GOOD NEWS was announced, yes, even prior to the dispensation of the law which preceded the good news, God already spoke some of the MYSTERY OF THE FAITH into Abraham, and He lived by that faith. "Abraham BELIEVED GOD . . ." [Romans 4:3].

But it wasn't time for the "mystery of the faith" to be revealed, and so God instituted the law, which served as a schoolmaster until . . . so note this word "schoolmaster" from a Greek word that literally means "a child-conductor." The child-conductor was that servant which simply guarded and kept the child between home and school, until they could safely commit the child into the hand of the teacher. So also, the law was given, to hold in restraint until Christ, The Teacher, The Faith, should come, and then the lesser ministry was swallowed up into the greater. RPrinzing.
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