King James Onlyism

[jiggyfly]

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BIG AMEN…
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Romans <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comffice:smarttags" /><st1:time Hour="16" Minute="16">4:16</st1:time> speaks of "the faith of Abraham," and if we possess this faith we would obviously do the works of Abraham. As we also read, "If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham." [John 8:39]. To hold his vision, to have his faith, results in his way of living.

If you have the "faith of the Baptists" you would live in accordance to their creed and doctrine. lf you have the "faith of the Pentecostals' you would follow their mode of living. And if you have the "faith of the Catholics" you would be following their religious system, form, and ceremony. But we are not speaking of these kinds of faith, i.e. system of beliefs, as good as they might be in their own share, and as much as God has used them in former days. But we now address ourselves to that specific faith, that which is GOD-IMPARTED, which indeed Abraham also possessed. And "Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham." [Galatians 3:7]. As Abraham received directly FROM GOD, so also we would receive directly FROM GOD, by the indwelling of the holy Spirit-- and as such would be counted as the children of Abraham, following God in like manner.

"But before the faith came, we were kept under (guarded by) the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. Wherefore the law was our school-master to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that the faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster." [Galatians 3:23-25].

In all cases, in the Greek text, in this passage it is identified as THE FAITH. Abraham had received this faith, however much in a mystery capsule it was given to him, for "the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen THROUGH FAITH, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed." [Galatians 3:23-25].

Long before the gospel-- or GOOD NEWS was announced, yes, even prior to the dispensation of the law which preceded the good news, God already spoke some of the MYSTERY OF THE FAITH into Abraham, and He lived by that faith. "Abraham BELIEVED GOD . . ." [Romans 4:3].

But it wasn't time for the "mystery of the faith" to be revealed, and so God instituted the law, which served as a schoolmaster until . . . so note this word "schoolmaster" from a Greek word that literally means "a child-conductor." The child-conductor was that servant which simply guarded and kept the child between home and school, until they could safely commit the child into the hand of the teacher. So also, the law was given, to hold in restraint until Christ, The Teacher, The Faith, should come, and then the lesser ministry was swallowed up into the greater. RPrinzing.

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Hallelujah! Benoni, I enjoyed your posts also and would really like to discuss this on a deeper level maybe in another thread. I will try to start one sometime today and will title it "The Word of God"

 

[Bambi]

Will Kinney

I have to agree with Will Kinney.

I was given a KJV bible when I was 10 years old and have used only KJV bibles.

When I was 13 years old my mother gave my siblings and I a ASV. I didn't like it at all. At the time I never heard of these debates. The only thing I heard was the newer translations were easier to understand.

When I became an adult I moved away from home went to a church that preached KJVO. I thought they were loons.

I later got involved in a Bible study that consisted of many believers with many translations.

When we were studying 1 John Chapter 5, the gentleman who was reading his NIV read his version of verses 7 and 8.

I have always believed we have the inerant word of God in the English language whether it was KJV or ASV or any other language.

When I saw that difference between the translations I knew something was wrong. And it wasn't the KJV.

I've been studying this problem for 20 years now and I know without a shadow of a doubt that the KJV is 100% accurate.

I also believe in alot of other doctrines that many of you don't believe in, like Election, Limited Atonement, Once Saved Always Saved, and etc...

This is something I believe in if you don't wish to believe in it I can't make you believe I can only post my views. And if you don't agree with me thats fine. But don't get so upset that you delete people from making an opinion. You could be deleting the truth.

In all the went on with Kinney and Chad, both were un-Christ like. Kinney kept being "smart" with his comments, and Chad was being offended to easily.

Get over it. Forgive one another and move on. Let each have their say.

 

[Benoni]

Hallelujah! Benoni, I enjoyed your posts also and would really like to discuss this on a deeper level maybe in another thread. I will try to start one sometime today and will title it "The Word of God"

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[Benoni]

I have to agree with Will Kinney.

I was given a KJV bible when I was 10 years old and have used only KJV bibles.

When I was 13 years old my mother gave my siblings and I a ASV. I didn't like it at all. At the time I never heard of these debates. The only thing I heard was the newer translations were easier to understand.

When I became an adult I moved away from home went to a church that preached KJVO. I thought they were loons.

I later got involved in a Bible study that consisted of many believers with many translations.

When we were studying 1 John Chapter 5, the gentleman who was reading his NIV read his version of verses 7 and 8.

I have always believed we have the inerant word of God in the English language whether it was KJV or ASV or any other language.

When I saw that difference between the translations I knew something was wrong. And it wasn't the KJV.

I've been studying this problem for 20 years now and I know without a shadow of a doubt that the KJV is 100% accurate.

I also believe in alot of other doctrines that many of you don't believe in, like Election, Limited Atonement, Once Saved Always Saved, and etc...

This is something I believe in if you don't wish to believe in it I can't make you believe I can only post my views. And if you don't agree with me thats fine. But don't get so upset that you delete people from making an opinion. You could be deleting the truth.

In all the went on with Kinney and Chad, both were un-Christ like. Kinney kept being "smart" with his comments, and Chad was being offended to easily.

Get over it. Forgive one another and move on. Let each have their say.

I do not limit God to any man made ism.

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I read an article a while back from a man I respect as and believe anointed of God in many way. This man spoke of a dream he had where he was sitting at a table full of spiritual food, across the table was Jesus. They just sat there eating all this food which was right in front of them. As they sat there the man sup with Jesus, he noticed Billy Graham come to the table get a plate full of spiritual food, and he left. This happened over and over as he noticed many well known deep men of God eat from this table and then leave.
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He then asks Jesus why they leaved after so little when there was so much to eat. Jesus replied to Him, they were satisfied. I had an experience happen to me where for a time I feasted and feasted on some deep anointed literature; let me tell you something; I am satisfied; sure I want more.
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'Behold, I stand at the door and knock: if ANY MAN hear my voice and open the door, I will come in to HIM and sup with HIM and he with ME.' The church of the last days is the church of the INDIVIDUAL. It is the individual believer with a PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP to Christ. For the man who will forsake ALL ELSE and sup with Christ this is an age of glory, an hour of preparation such as we have never known. This is a time when the Spirit of God is speaking TO YOU AS AN INDIVIDUAL. He seeks to sup and dine and feast with you apart from all the religious confusion about us. It is a glorious day when we see the promise that is ours in this hour"

 

[Bambi]

Could you explain what you meant by this statement?

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The church of the last days is the church of the INDIVIDUAL. It is the individual believer with a PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP to Christ. For the man who will forsake ALL ELSE and sup with Christ this is an age of glory, an hour of preparation such as we have never known. This is a time when the Spirit of God is speaking TO YOU AS AN INDIVIDUAL. He seeks to sup and dine and feast with you apart from all the religious confusion about us. It is a glorious day when we see the promise that is ours in this hour"

<SUP>2 Peter 1:19</SUP>We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
<SUP class=versenum id=en-KJV-30500 value="20">20</SUP>Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
<SUP class=versenum id=en-KJV-30501 value="21">21</SUP>For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

 

[jiggyfly]

I have to agree with Will Kinney.

I was given a KJV bible when I was 10 years old and have used only KJV bibles.

When I was 13 years old my mother gave my siblings and I a ASV. I didn't like it at all. At the time I never heard of these debates. The only thing I heard was the newer translations were easier to understand.

When I became an adult I moved away from home went to a church that preached KJVO. I thought they were loons.

I later got involved in a Bible study that consisted of many believers with many translations.

When we were studying 1 John Chapter 5, the gentleman who was reading his NIV read his version of verses 7 and 8.

I have always believed we have the inerant word of God in the English language whether it was KJV or ASV or any other language.

When I saw that difference between the translations I knew something was wrong. And it wasn't the KJV.

I've been studying this problem for 20 years now and I know without a shadow of a doubt that the KJV is 100% accurate.

I also believe in alot of other doctrines that many of you don't believe in, like Election, Limited Atonement, Once Saved Always Saved, and etc...

This is something I believe in if you don't wish to believe in it I can't make you believe I can only post my views. And if you don't agree with me thats fine. But don't get so upset that you delete people from making an opinion. You could be deleting the truth.

In all the went on with Kinney and Chad, both were un-Christ like. Kinney kept being "smart" with his comments, and Chad was being offended to easily.

Get over it. Forgive one another and move on. Let each have their say.

Well first Bambi, you don't have to agree with Will's opinion, you choose to agree with his opinion or you share the same opinion.

As far as deleting the truth in this situation nothing could be further from the truth.

As far as KJV being accurate well Bambi concerning this you are simply decieved, study it for yourself not by just listening to someone else's study. Now if you choose not to research this out for yourself, thats your freedom and right, like you said earlier we can't make you see the truth.

But KJVO is a cult much like the Mormons or JW's in this matter. Again there is no such thing as an inerrant translation of the scriptures, period, and anyone who says differently is simply deceived.

 

[Bambi]

Read again my comments

Well first Bambi, you don't have to agree with Will's opinion, you choose to agree with his opinion or you share the same opinion.

As far as deleting the truth in this situation nothing could be further from the truth.

As far as KJV being accurate well Bambi concerning this you are simply decieved, study it for yourself not by just listening to someone else's study. Now if you choose not to research this out for yourself, thats your freedom and right, like you said earlier we can't make you see the truth.

But KJVO is a cult much like the Mormons or JW's in this matter. Again there is no such thing as an inerrant translation of the scriptures, period, and anyone who says differently is simply deceived.

You need to read my comments again. I said I've study this for 20 years. I know what I believe. I believe the Bible.

If there is no such thing as an inerrant translation of the scriptures then why do we believe in the God of the Bible? The Bible that we use in the English language might be translated in such a way that is in error to who God is.

Since I don't know Greek or Hebrew I need someone to translate for me. I believe that God is able to have the Word of God perfectly translated into my language.

 

[jiggyfly]

I was about to close this thread the other day and decided to leave it open a while longer but I really don't see anything beneficial coming out of this thread now opinions, facts and scripture has been posted in ampleness.

With that being said, also note that TalkJesus is not an advocate or sponsor of KJV onlyism and feel that the only responsible thing to do at this time is close this thread in order to avoid contentious posting and stay with the opinion of the OP. God bless everyone.