Is Hell forever?

[Gracealone]

I've been there before Trish, even after I became a Christian, and you are right, total separation from God is worse than hell.

Hell is total separation from God, and for all eternity.
Once there ,there is no chance of return.
No second chances.
God's word tell us ,Today is the day of salvation, there may not be a tomorrow, for who knows at what hour our soul will be required of us?

I'm so very thankful for our Loving Saviour, that he cared so much for us, to come,and die in our place, that we might have life, and that eternal.

I'm sure each of us has our own personal hell, here on earth, that he redeemed us from.
Here we have a chance, while it is still today, may all who God has given him, make that choice, so there is no fear of tomorrow.

We love you Lord, we praise your precious name.

 

[jiggyfly]

Hell is total separation from God, and for all eternity.
Once there ,there is no chance of return.
No second chances.
God's word tell us ,Today is the day of salvation, there may not be a tomorrow, for who knows at what hour our soul will be required of us?

I'm so very thankful for our Loving Saviour, that he cared so much for us, to come,and die in our place, that we might have life, and that eternal.

I'm sure each of us has our own personal hell, here on earth, that he redeemed us from.
Here we have a chance, while it is still today, may all who God has given him, make that choice, so there is no fear of tomorrow.


We love you Lord, we praise your precious name.

What do you make of this scripture Gracealone?
1Peter 3:18-21
18*Christ also suffered when he died for our sins once for all time. He never sinned, but he died for sinners that he might bring us safely home to God. He suffered physical death, but he was raised to life in the Spirit.*
19*So he went and preached to the spirits in prison—20*those who disobeyed God long ago when God waited patiently while Noah was building his boat. Only eight people were saved from drowning in that terrible flood.* 21*And this is a picture of baptism, which now saves you by the power of Jesus Christ’s resurrection. Baptism is not a removal of dirt from your body; it is an appeal to God from* a clean conscience.

1Peter 4:6
That is why the Good News was preached even to those who have died—so that although their bodies were punished with death, they could still live in the spirit as God does.

 

[Trishann]

Gracealone I totally agree with you.

Thessalonians 1:7-9
And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels,
In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey
not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of His power.

Your sister in Christ, Trish


Ed, not for sure what you meant by I have been in Hell. If life brought so much pain for you, I'm sorry for your suffering. But even today through it all Jesus can help you. If this is what you meant, I pray that you will find Jesus through it all. Suffering without Jesus today brings no Hope in one's life but in the presence of our Lord there is hope.

Your sister in Christ, Trish

 

[Ed]

Ed, not for sure what you meant by I have been in Hell. If life brought so much pain for you, I'm sorry for your suffering. But even today through it all Jesus can help you. If this is what you meant, I pray that you will find Jesus through it all. Suffering without Jesus today brings no Hope in one's life but in the presence of our Lord there is hope.

Your sister in Christ, Trish

What I meant to say is that my life was like a living hell before coming to the Lord. Sometimes after I came to the Lord I thought I was walking through hell itself, but those times were actually a time of great testing. You know how it is? You feel like the Lord has abandoned you, or you tend to think that perhaps you just weren't making the grade the grade as a Christian, yet even though you had doubts, you still carried on.

I've been in some intense spiritual battles that have caused me to question my faith, and thinking that I might not be saved after all, or maybe I have denied my faith completely, has caused me a lot of pain.

For a number of years I have had a form of sleep apnea that has prevented me from attending church. I tried to get it under control by attending a sleep clinic, but I can't handle the machine that I need to be hooked to every night, and I can't afford any of the corrective or helpful operations, so I am missing out on church and that fellowship.

The internet, especially TalkJesus, has helped with the fellowship, but I really wish I could physically hang out with my brothers and sisters.

I don't mean to sound like I am complaining, as I've suffered with this all my life, and have gotten used to it, but I really wish I could meet some Christians in town that I could hang out with.

Also, I've found myself in a couple of situations where I have found Christians to fellowship with, but they turned out to be rather selfish, high-minded individuals who only wanted to drag me down spiritually and mentally and use me for their own needs.

 

[jiggyfly]

We think Hell is a bad place to go which it is, but the worse part of it, that permanent separation from God.

Your sister in Christ, Trish

Hey Trishann, got any scriptures that state hell is permanent seperation from God?

 

[Trishann]

Ed I also have some sleep issue due to an illness. I do understand the confusion and craziness of it all and how it can mess with your thinking. But Ed you know now you may feel like this, so don't let this condemnation come over you. At times I am not able to go to church either, so I just spend it in the Word of God and in prayer, but when I need to rest, I do so now without feeling guilty.

Your sister in Christ, Trish

 

[Trishann]

Jiggyfly what is your definition of spiritual death?

Your sister in Christ, Trish

 

[jiggyfly]

Jiggyfly what is your definition of spiritual death?

Your sister in Christ, Trish

A dead spirit

But do you have any scriptures?

 

[Trishann]

What do you mean by a dead spirit?

Your sister in Christ, Trish

 

[jiggyfly]

The oposite of a live spirit.

Still waiting on your scriptures too.

 

[Trishann]

Jiggyfly I am just trying to understand what your thoughts are. I know sometimes one can say something and get a different interruption. You question me, so I am trying to find out what you are trying to say and see if we are really believing the same thing.

I believe we all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.
I believe for the wages of sin is death and the gift of God is eternal life.
I believe there is a physcial death, spiritual death on earth and also a permanent spiritual death in Hell. Once you miss the mark here on earth, you don't get a second chance when you die, this is a permanent spiritual death.

I hope I answer your question.

Romans 3:23
Romans 6:23
Revelation 20:14

 

[jiggyfly]

\I believe there is a physcial death, spiritual death on earth and also a permanent spiritual death in Hell. Once you miss the mark here on earth, you don't get a second chance when you die, this is a permanent spiritual death.

What do you make of these scriptures?

Psalms 139:7&8
7 *Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence?
8*If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.


1Peter 3:18-21
18*Christ also suffered when he died for our sins once for all time. He never sinned, but he died for sinners that he might bring us safely home to God. He suffered physical death, but he was raised to life in the Spirit.*
19*So he went and preached to the spirits in prison—20*those who disobeyed God long ago when God waited patiently while Noah was building his boat. Only eight people were saved from drowning in that terrible flood.* 21*And this is a picture of baptism, which now saves you by the power of Jesus Christ’s resurrection. Baptism is not a removal of dirt from your body; it is an appeal to God from* a clean conscience.

1Peter 4:6
That is why the Good News was preached even to those who have died—so that although their bodies were punished with death, they could still live in the spirit as God does.

 

[Trishann]

Where ever I go, God knows, but I made that choice.

What do you think about the scriptures?

 

[jiggyfly]

Where ever I go, God knows, but I made that choice.

What do you think about the scriptures?

1Peter 4:6
That is why the Good News was preached even to those who have died—so that although their bodies were punished with death, they could still live in the spirit as God does.

Don't you see a second chance here?

Psalms 139:7&8
7 *Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence?
8*If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.

Does this sound like permanent seperation?

I think for most of us, believe what we have been told and taught by others without the whole counsel of HolySpirit and the scriptures making our understanding incomplete at best.

 

[Trishann]

I disagree with you brother, but that is between you and God. I hope you are right for the sake of those who believe this way, if I am understand you right.

Hope all is well,
Your sister in Christ, Trish

 

[jiggyfly]

I disagree with you brother, but that is between you and God. I hope you are right for the sake of those who believe this way, if I am understand you right.

Hope all is well,
Your sister in Christ, Trish

It's fine if you disagree with me but what do think these scriptures mean?

 

[Gracealone]

What do you make of this scripture Gracealone?
1Peter 3:18-21
18*Christ also suffered when he died for our sins once for all time. He never sinned, but he died for sinners that he might bring us safely home to God. He suffered physical death, but he was raised to life in the Spirit.*
19*So he went and preached to the spirits in prison—20*those who disobeyed God long ago when God waited patiently while Noah was building his boat. Only eight people were saved from drowning in that terrible flood.* 21*And this is a picture of baptism, which now saves you by the power of Jesus Christ’s resurrection. Baptism is not a removal of dirt from your body; it is an appeal to God from* a clean conscience.

1Peter 4:6
That is why the Good News was preached even to those who have died—so that although their bodies were punished with death, they could still live in the spirit as God does.

I'm not real clear what your asking jiggyfly?

I believe all scripture is inspired by God.........did I say something you didnt agree with?

Baptism is an outward sign of an inward change is the only thing I see from your words?
Baptism itself does not save us, only the blood of Christ, and faith in his atonement.
Please explain clearer what you mean?
What do you feel these scriptures are saying?

 

[jiggyfly]

I'm not real clear what your asking jiggyfly?

I believe all scripture is inspired by God.........did I say something you didnt agree with?

Baptism is an outward sign of an inward change is the only thing I see from your words?
Baptism itself does not save us, only the blood of Christ, and faith in his atonement.
Please explain clearer what you mean?
What do you feel these scriptures are saying?

Earlier you posted;

Hell is total separation from God, and for all eternity.
Once there ,there is no chance of return.
No second chances.

But David said, " Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence? If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there."

And Peter said, " That is why the Good News was preached even to those who have died—so that although their bodies were punished with death, they could still live in the spirit as God does."

Doesn't it seem that these scriptures conflict with what you stated?

 

[jiggyfly]

Even though it may seem that I am being difficut here, I have a point to be made. Most of the proponents of Protestant Christianity when preaching the Gospel to the lost preach eternal hell fire. But when examining the scriptures of the new testament especially the book of Acts, I fail to see hell's eternal flames in Peter's, James', Phillip's, Stephen's or Paul's gospel message and yet thousands responded.

Scripture provides us with much more about God's love, grace, and faithfulness than His wrath and anger. The scriptures declare "God is Love" and I fail to find the scriptures stating "God is anger". How do you suppose God wants us to relate to Him, out of fear or love?

Now with that said, why is it that threads about an eternal hell, damnation, and God's wrath seem to get more attention than the threads about God's love , grace, and mercy? Are we like Jonah and wish to see God's wrath poured out on Nineva or maybe like the prodigal's brother?

Maybe it's just me, but I am grieved about it. Does this kind of message accurately depict God's character? I first responded to God out of love because of His love and not fear because of His wrath. One of my favorite pieces of scripture is one of Paul's prayers for the believers at Ephesus.

"When I think of the wisdom and scope of God’s plan, I fall to my knees and pray to the Father, the Creator of everything in heaven and on earth. I pray that from his glorious, unlimited resources he will give you mighty inner strength through his Holy Spirit. And I pray that Christ will be more and more at home in your hearts as you trust in him. May your roots go down deep into the soil of God’s marvelous love. And may you have the power to understand, as all God’s people should, how wide, how long, how high, and how deep his love really is. May you experience the love of Christ, though it is so great you will never fully understand it. Then you will be filled with the fullness of life and power that comes from God."

"Now glory be to God! By his mighty power at work within us, he is able to accomplish infinitely more than we would ever dare to ask or hope. May he be given glory in the church and in Christ Jesus forever and ever through endless ages. Amen."

Please don't misunderstand me, I am not saying that there is no hell. I am not saying that God doesn't get angry or that He won't show His wrath. I am just saying shouldn't we be more concerned with a knowledge of His love?

 

[Trishann]

gigglyfly it seems like you are saying two different things.

As far as Hell and the love of God it should be preached. Sometimes I know one side can get preached more than the other side which causes an imbalance of the Word of God, but it is still the Word of God.

This thread just so happen to be on Hell and there are threads on the Love of God. I have seen plenty threads on the Love of God and people reply to it.

Your sister in Christ, Trish