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Ok, this is something that has been on my mind for a while now, and it's really starting to bug me.

For ages now, we have been taught that hell is forever; that is; once you die you either go to heaven or hell, and it's permanent...there is no "escape door" in hell, there is no "revolving door" etc.

Now I know that I wouldn't want to be in and out of hell after I die, I surely wouldn't want to end up there.

But I don't really want to end up having a discussion about salvation here, unless there's no way around it.

Lately I've been hearing that no where in the Bible does it say that God will be sending anyone to hell. Even though I like this idea...I have to question it.

So in other words, the wicked will visit hell until they have learned their lesson? After that, where do they go?

For me, it reminds me of a "Clockwork Orange" Where the main character is tortured with the visions of his sins until he has no choice but to repent and never turn back on his sin ever again.

But even that sounds too cruel for a loving God. Yes, we must bear the weight of of our sins, but for God to temporarily send us to hell, where the "kinks" in our spiritual man are worked out, until we are purified, then we are released into...what? Heaven?

Haven't we already been purified (washed) by the blood of Jesus?

So does this mean that I can simply turn my back on Jesus, go back to my sinful,pre-Christian nature, die and still go to heaven?

In theory it sounds good...but it sounds almost too good to be true...
 
Lately I've been hearing that no where in the Bible does it say that God will be sending anyone to hell.

You didn't hear it from the Bible, so don't list to what you hear. Its unscriptural.

Haven't we already been purified (washed) by the blood of Jesus?

What about those who reject Christ? You are washed by His blood when you accept His gift of salvation.

So does this mean that I can simply turn my back on Jesus, go back to my sinful,pre-Christian nature, die and still go to heaven?

No and why would you want to do that in the first place? Why would you deliberately turn your back on Jesus?

http://www.talkjesus.com/scriptural-bible-answers/198-hell.html
 
So does this mean that I can simply turn my back on Jesus, go back to my sinful,pre-Christian nature, die and still go to heaven?

In theory it sounds good...but it sounds almost too good to be true...

It doesn sound good, when we repent and turn away from our sins, you'll never feel that turning your back on jesus is good.
God bless you
Prem
 
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Sin is very tricky.The devil intends for the beliver to spend their lives trying to figure sin out.If this is you my advice is run for your life and make your self vulnerable to Christ.Hell is a choice,If we end up there it's by our own choice.God has no pleasure in seeing our suffering in hell,But God is obligated to grant us our free will wishes,because hell is a choice that we make.God will never force us to do anything contrary to our own will.This freedome comes with a steep price tag.Rejection will cost us eternal damnation.Acceptance of Christ cost God His only Begotten Son.God can do whatever He pleases He can even raise the dead but biblicaly once one ends up in hell there is no lawyer to plead our cause there is no loopholes in hell in fact there is no law its anarchy.The word says make your move while it is day time because the nigth is comming when mens hearts will be filled with corruption and rotteness and the gangrene is already setting in.men and women will desperately chase for truth but because of their itching ears they will cotinualy spin in circles.It's a scary day when truth flees from you.Knowing the truth does not mean your perfect but loving the truth means you will nourish it and cherish it.Romans13:12 The nigth is far gone and the day is almost here.Let us then drop the works and deeds of darkness and put on the whole armor of light.
 
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Thanks all.

There is a lot of scriptures about hell in the Bible...with reason. What I've been hearing/reading lately is basically turning those scriptures off!

Well guess what, you turn off the lights in a room full of people and start walking, you're gonna bump into something.
 
Yes brother ed.Your right theres plenty of scripture we need not add to it.For now
please allow me the this freedom to comit an error or two,and I want you to
picture a cave man with a rock in his hand scribling on walls hoping that maybe
someone out there will understand.That although Im not as advanced I still posses
a hunger to grow,and if it seems to be dark in this room then let us hang on to one-another til we locate that light switch.En Cristo tu hermano Carlos.........
 
Bro ed.You mentioned the flick"a clockwork orange" that should answer most of your question.
In this movie the Droogies are portrayed as ultra violent fiends and if I remember correctly,Alex the main character of the movie is forced to undergo an experiment
to transform and reform him but in the end of the movie if you recall no matter how
much torture was inflicted on him to make him good, Alex ends up on that hospital bed the same old whicked droogie.You cant force somebody to be good,and in the same
way we cant force anybody into heaven,and believe it or not some people want to go to hell. only a loving God is capable of giving us this freedome to choose.God desires
what is good for us,but our natural desires lusts after ultra violence and sin.I hope you
understand what im saying.
 
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Is Hell forever? It depends on what you really mean.
Hell (Hades) is a temporary place. It will eventually be cast into the
Lake of Fire. (Rev 20:14) The Lake of Fire is a permanent place.
I view this much like a city jail versus life in prison.
One is short term, one is for all purposes.. forever.

As for is God throwing anyone into Hell? Well, it isn't his desire that anyone
should go to Hell, rather it's our decision that WE make.

But here are a few verses about that.

Rev 19:20 And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the lake of fire which burns with brimstone.
Rev 20:10 And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Rev 20:14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.

Rev 20:15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

Rev 21:8 "But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."

Luk 16:22 "Now the poor man died and was carried away by the angels to Abraham's bosom; and the rich man also died and was buried.
Luk 16:23 "In Hades he lifted up his eyes, being in torment, and *saw Abraham far away and Lazarus in his bosom.
Luk 16:24 "And he cried out and said, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus so that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool off my tongue, for I am in agony in this flame.'

Mat 13:42 and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Mat 13:50 and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Mat 5:22 "But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, 'You good-for-nothing,' shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever says, 'You fool,' shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell.
Mat 5:29 "If your right eye makes you stumble, tear it out and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.
Mat 10:28 "Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell
Mar 9:43 "If your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off; it is better for you to enter life crippled, than, having your two hands, to go into hell, into the unquenchable fire,

There are quite a few more, but hopefully this is enough to validate the point.

Have you ever blistered your finger? Burnt it on a pan on the stove? I can't imagine feeling that all over every square inch of my body for a million, jillion, billion, kazillion, (no, eternity is longer than any of those numbers) years. Once you are there, there is no coming back out.

I believe we serve a loving, merciful God. But if we reject his son...
 
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Is Hell forever? It depends on what you really mean.
Hell (Hades) is a temporary place. It will eventually be cast into the
Lake of Fire. (Rev 20:14) The Lake of Fire is a permanent place.
I view this much like a city jail versus life in prison.
One is short term, one is for all purposes.. forever.

As for is God throwing anyone into Hell? Well, it isn't his desire that anyone
should go to Hell, rather it's our decision that WE make.

But here are a few verses about that.

Rev 19:20 And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the lake of fire which burns with brimstone.
Rev 20:10 And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Rev 20:14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.

Rev 20:15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

Rev 21:8 "But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."

Luk 16:22 "Now the poor man died and was carried away by the angels to Abraham's bosom; and the rich man also died and was buried.
Luk 16:23 "In Hades he lifted up his eyes, being in torment, and *saw Abraham far away and Lazarus in his bosom.
Luk 16:24 "And he cried out and said, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus so that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool off my tongue, for I am in agony in this flame.'

Mat 13:42 and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Mat 13:50 and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Mat 5:22 "But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, 'You good-for-nothing,' shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever says, 'You fool,' shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell.
Mat 5:29 "If your right eye makes you stumble, tear it out and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.
Mat 10:28 "Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell
Mar 9:43 "If your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off; it is better for you to enter life crippled, than, having your two hands, to go into hell, into the unquenchable fire,

There are quite a few more, but hopefully this is enough to validate the point.

Have you ever blistered your finger? Burnt it on a pan on the stove? I can't imagine feeling that all over every square inch of my body for a million, jillion, billion, kazillion, (no, eternity is longer than any of those numbers) years. Once you are there, there is no coming back out.

I believe we serve a loving, merciful God. But if we reject his son...

You may want to compare these scripture translations with the original Greek text.
 
You may want to compare these scripture translations with the original Greek text.

Please enlighten us jiggyfly....only please use plain english, as I don't speak, read, or even write Greek.

I really want to stick to the subject here, but the orginal greek text always seeks to find it's way into all Christian topics sooner or later, so I will say this one time in this thread...we all understand english as a written, spoken, and audible lanquage here. I am sure that if Jesus were to appear in the flesh (or even in the Spirit), that he would be able to talk to me in latin, or english, english being the language I understand freely.

They don't read out of the Greek or Aramaic bible at my church, they don't speak Greek or Aramaic in the grocery store here.

To me, the same God that created this world gave us different languages, and he gave the power to bible scholars to be able to translate the original Greek, Aramaic, or even Hebrew scriptures into plain english, or any other language.

My original question/post may have come from something I read from someone who did read, and interpret the Bible....whether they did correctly/incorrectly I do not know.

What I do know, is that so many people are scared to death about possibly ending up in hell, especially when they are so deep in a sin that they love. They will make up excuses/stories about A) Hell isn't forever, or B) Once we accept Christ as our Lord and Savior we don't have to worry about going to hell.

In my mind, if hell isn't forever, or if we are guaranteed our salvation, then the many hell scriptures in the Bible wouldn't be there...or there would be a statement From Jesus or God, that "hell is a vacationer's paradise"
 

What I do know, is that so many people are scared to death about possibly ending up in hell, especially when they are so deep in a sin that they love. They will make up excuses/stories about A) Hell isn't forever, or B) Once we accept Christ as our Lord and Savior we don't have to worry about going to hell.

In my mind, if hell isn't forever, or if we are guaranteed our salvation, then the many hell scriptures in the Bible wouldn't be there...or there would be a statement From Jesus or God, that "hell is a vacationer's paradise"


Praise God! It seems it is settled for you and please just disregard my comment.
You may want to compare these scripture translations with the original Greek text.
 
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You have asked a really important question that everyone of us should have a clear "Thus saith the Lord". Any answers should be "To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them" (Is 8:20). We should follow the Scriptural mandate: "For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little." (Is 28:10).

This particular question is going to get us way off track before we can even begin to tackle the truth about Hell. I'm sure as you have listened to the many conflicting views of Hell as proclaimed by the majority of Christendom you would have found that they don't all agree and many only give one or two verses to support their view. As I can't go into all the associated background needed, I will try to keep it brief and try explaining through further posts.

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life" (Jn 3:16) Everything that God has done, from creating us, seeking us, redeeming us, interceding for us to ultimately delivering us from the power of sin and death, unto life eternal (Jn 17:3) is because of His utmost and complete love for us! From the beginning of this Great Controversy which began in Heaven, God's love, character and rulership have been attacked by the deceiver, the Devil or Satan.

In the garden of Eden God said to man "...but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." (Gen 2:17) (emphasis added).
Now I'm sorry to those who don't like to read outside of the English language but certain things can only be understood by going to the original languages. We don't have to be Greek or Hebrew scholars when a concordance will do. The literal rendition of the word "die" in Gen 2:17 is "dying thou shalt die", which is noted in the margin of most Bibles. But what did the Devil say to Eve about this warning issued by God which has been propagated for millenia by the majority of Christendom (I'm not saying deliberately or maliciously either), "And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil." (Gen 3:4,5) (emphasis added).

So now do we believe God, that we will die; or the Devil, that we will not die? I choose, "But as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD" (Josh 24:15).

Without going into the plethora of verses about what happens at death, I will cite a few:
Jn 11:1-44: "Now a certain man was sick, named Lazarus...Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep. Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleeps, he shall do well. Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep. Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead...Lazarus, come forth. And he that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot with graveclothes: and his face was bound about with a napkin. Jesus saith unto them, Loose him, and let him go." (What better authority than the Creator Himself about what happens when you die. You sleep in the grave. I'm sure we all know what happens when you sleep...Notice that here is a man who "hath been dead four days" (Jn 11:39) and notice that the Biblical record is completely silent about his experience during this time. He didn't go to Heaven or Hell (the place commonly referred to) but was sleeping as Jesus put it.)

Ecc 9:5, 6, 10: For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun...Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.

Is 38:18, 19: For the grave cannot praise thee, death can not celebrate thee: they that go down into the pit cannot hope for thy truth. The living, the living, he shall praise thee, as I do this day.

Ps 146:4: His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.

Now going back to "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life" (Jn 3:16). Jesus said there are two choices to the gift that he has given (Eph 2:8); we either have everlasting life or we perish. The Greek word for perish is to destroy fully, this is the second death (which for brevity I can't get into). Now remember for God to destroy fully the creatures that He has lovingly made will break His heart; "He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil." (1 Jn 3:8). If we by persistence clings to sin, we will be destroyed with it. God hates the sin, but loves the sinner. Notice that God didn't say we would be for ever being destroyed bit by bit, but that the it would do it's work, then cease. The meaning of destroy: is to put an end to! Not to continue for ever.

Ez 33:11: Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die?

Lk 9:56: For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them.

Is 28:21: For the LORD shall rise up...that he may do his work, his strange work; and bring to pass his act, his strange act.

Now in the words of an Amazing Facts Study Guide, "Is the Devil in charge of Hell?"
Is anyone being burned in Hell now? No. Just like the sleep of Lazarus, "The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished" (2 Pet 2:9)

When and where will hellfire take place? "As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; and shall cast them into a furnace of fire" (Matt 13:40-42) and "The word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day." (Jn 12:48). "And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them." (Rev 20:9)

(As mentioned), where are people who have died awaiting their respective reward? "Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation." (Jn 5:28, 29) and "The wicked is reserved to the day of destruction" (Job 21:30) Notice that the just and wicked are not receiving their rewards now, the wicked are not burning is fire yet!

What is the final result of sin? "The wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord" (Rom 6:23). "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." (Rev 21:8).

Without going into all the verses mentioned in previous posts (I will if needed to clarify), will the fires of Hell eventually go out or will they burn forever? "Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor fire to sit before it." (Is 47:14). "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth" (Rev 21:1); "And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." (Rev 21:4). If sinners are not completely destroyed in the fires or hell, then this verse is not true. If people continue to live on suffering for eternity then this verse and many like it are not true. Then the Devil will be right and God a liar, for sinners will not really die!

The Devil himself will be cast into hellfire: "And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire" (Rev 20:10) and "I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee...And never shall thou be any more" (Ez 28:19,19).

What is God's real intentions for hellfire: "Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels" (Matt 25:41); any human who is destroyed in the lake of fire is an unwelcome visitor. God has provided exceedingly abundantly through the death of Jesus on the Cross for every erring son of Adam. "And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire" (Rev 20:15). "For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be" (Ps 37:10) and "The enemies of the Lord...shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away" (Ps 37:20).

Sorry this is a bit discordant, but I didn't realise I would take up so much space. Too many power packed verses "For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do." (Heb 4:12, 13).
Satan has twisted the doctrine of the destruction of the wicked to get people to turn in revulsion that such a 'loving' God would torture people like this for eternity over such a brief existence in comparison. But when the Devil's lies are exposed through the powerful Word of God it is shown that even in the doctrine of the final judgement God is only working out His eternal purposes in supreme love.
Reply in brief to one of your questions: Once saved always saved is another fallacy of the Devil. Can you choose to be saved or are you forced? Jn 3:16 says we have a choice, so by our lifestyle despite our lip service profession we can choose, and will be lost.
 
Luk 16:24 "And he cried out and said, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus so that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool off my tongue, for I am in agony in this flame.'

This citation backs up Carlos's point about the character in A Clockwork Orange: Punishment didn't change Alex in the movie and it doesn't change the rich man in Jesus' parable either.

In the parable, though he's suffering in Hell while Lazarus is in Paradise, the rich man is still prideful; he still sees Lazarus as being beneath him. When a person is cast into Hell, his/her fate is sealed. All chance of repentance is gone. Hell is absolute and permanent separation from God.

SLE
 
Thank you Summoner777, for that rather extensive, but not complete :shock: choice of scriptures.

And thank you SpiritLedEd, for your input as well.

Lord! If I could only find some fire-breathing Christians like you guys here in Las Vegas, lol.:secret:
 
Bro Ed This is the beauty of mass comunication.You now
have been provided with a place where you could congregate,
through the prayers of the saints and by the power of the
person of the Holy spirit you will be able to contend for the faith.

Jude1:3,21,22,23
 
Bro Ed.There is a sermon out there titled "Sinners in the hands of an angry God",
Preached by Johnathan Edwards,well just thought I mention it for further reading.

About being scared to death of hell.Many times I have looked at my life,my sin
and all the darkness I surrounded my self with.

Sin has a wearing down effect,spiritually,physically and mentaly,and not only
does it affect those of us who fall into sin,but it also affects those who try to
help us out.

While there are many beliefs out there on how to be saved and how to stay
saved.After hearing all that the theologians have to say.Im now prepared to
make a bold statement.

After all the years of deceaving and being deceaved,AFter all the thousands
upon thousands of sins commited by me in full view of the grace of God,I now
conclude That im a "Scoundrel in the hands of a loving God".

I believe that hell is made plain in scripture to forwarn us of that terrible place
that none of us should go visit.
But the problem with most us who love to sin,is we dont take hell as a very
serious place.

But God in His Grand conspiracy to provide His love for His sinning creatures
He is never a minute to late,He is always right on time.

For those of us who stubbornly persist in our sin, God lovingly makes a way to
terrify us with cercumstances and vissions of darkness.

We call God Creator,and He is.And He is also very crative when it comes to
dealing with us.

For far too many years I was doing the jolly go get em dance in church but
little did I know that I was dancing on the edges of hell.


I ackwoledge that Jesus already won at the Cross,but my life is still a war
and Jesus is still fighting for me and many others in similar situations.


If you are saved ,unsaved,or just look saved.Know this that the battle for
souls rages on..

Provervs 31:8 Open thy mouth for the dumb in the cause of all such as are
appointed to destruction..

En Cristo Carlos
 
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We think Hell is a bad place to go which it is, but the worse part of it, that permanent separation from God.

Your sister in Christ, Trish
 
We think Hell is a bad place to go which it is, but the worse part of it, that permanent separation from God.

Your sister in Christ, Trish


I've been there before Trish, even after I became a Christian, and you are right, total separation from God is worse than hell.
 
Bro Ed.There is a sermon out there titled "Sinners in the hands of an angry God",
Preached by Johnathan Edwards,well just thought I mention it for further reading.

About being scared to death of hell.Many times I have looked at my life,my sin
and all the darkness I surrounded my self with.

Sin has a wearing down effect,spiritually,physically and mentaly,and not only
does it affect those of us who fall into sin,but it also affects those who try to
help us out.

While there are many beliefs out there on how to be saved and how to stay
saved.After hearing all that the theologians have to say.Im now prepared to
make a bold statement.

After all the years of deceaving and being deceaved,AFter all the thousands
upon thousands of sins commited by me in full view of the grace of God,I now
conclude That im a "Scoundrel in the hands of a loving God".

I believe that hell is made plain in scripture to forwarn us of that terrible place
that none of us should go visit.
But the problem with most us who love to sin,is we dont take hell as a very
serious place.

But God in His Grand conspiracy to provide His love for His sinning creatures
He is never a minute to late,He is always right on time.

For those of us who stubbornly persist in our sin, God lovingly makes a way to
terrify us with cercumstances and vissions of darkness.

We call God Creator,and He is.And He is also very crative when it comes to
dealing with us.

For far too many years I was doing the jolly go get em dance in church but
little did I know that I was dancing on the edges of hell.


I ackwoledge that Jesus already won at the Cross,but my life is still a war
and Jesus is still fighting for me and many others in similar situations.


If you are saved ,unsaved,or just look saved.Know this that the battle for
souls rages on..

Provervs 31:8 Open thy mouth for the dumb in the cause of all such as are
appointed to destruction..

En Cristo Carlos

Carlos, it seems you have a very different view of who God is than I do.

You think that the gospel is a conspiracy,or maybe you just don't understand what the word means, not sure but I am sure that God does not conspire with anyone to do an unlawful act.

You say God terrifies which means to fill with intense fear.

One thing is clear our views are in conflict, God does not have multible personalities, so one of us must be mistaken.
 
We think Hell is a bad place to go which it is, but the worse part of it, that permanent separation from God.

Your sister in Christ, Trish

Psalms 139:7&8
7 *Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence?
8*If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.
 
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