Invitation to Study Romans
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The book of Romans is numbered with my favourites.
I love reading Paul's writings, since the day I was saved.
Perhaps because of such a radical change was wrought in Paul's life when he met with the Saviour.
To go from one extreme to the other, totaly amazing, but then Jesus does amazing things.
I am studying because I am missing out on a study in church, and I just love Bible study, the nights clash, but hopefully this week I may have found one.
But I shall endeavour to continue on here with bros Ritchie and Rjones
and of couse yourself, Crossbow.
I love reading Paul's writings, since the day I was saved.
Perhaps because of such a radical change was wrought in Paul's life when he met with the Saviour.
To go from one extreme to the other, totaly amazing, but then Jesus does amazing things.
I am studying because I am missing out on a study in church, and I just love Bible study, the nights clash, but hopefully this week I may have found one.
But I shall endeavour to continue on here with bros Ritchie and Rjones
and of couse yourself, Crossbow.
Dear Brother,
Thanks for your reply. Actually, when I first started to read the book of Romans (around 5 years back), I read it with a lot of disinterest. But about a year and a half back, I gained interest in bible study and I learnt a lot of things especially from the book of Romans.
I hope you will continue to study with us.
My next post is on Romans 3:21-31. I may post it in about half an hour.
God bless you.
Dear Brother Rjones, Sister Maureen and those who are studying with us:
Greetings to all of you. I'm very sorry for the delay I have made, but after April 16th, it will be holidays for me and I will be free for sometime.
Brother Rjones, I have enjoyed your posts and I continue to pray for your family. By the way, I want to know, what is the meaning of IOU in your post? Could you please tell me.
Sister Maureen, I continue to pray for your husband and your children.
Here is my post on Romans 3:21-31.
Romans 3:21-22:
Verse 21: But now God has shown us a different way of being right in his sight not by obeying the law but by the way promised in the Scriptures long ago.
Verse 22: We are made right in God’s sight when we trust in Jesus Christ to take away our sins. And we all can be saved in this same way, no matter who we are or what we have done.
In our previous discussion, we have seen very clearly that:
1) The law has revealed the knowledge of sin.
2) Every man will be condemned based on the law. Man can never be made right in God's sight through the law.
So God has shown us a new way of being right in His sight. Please see this thread (I don't know if I shared this with you):
http://www.talkjesus.com/bible-study-hall/16591-grace.html (Click the thread)
No matter what we have done, no matter how bad, terrible and evil we are, we can be made right in God's sight through faith in Jesus Christ, to take away our sins.
Romans 3:23-24:
Verse 23: For all have sinned; all fall short of God’s glorious standard.
Verse 24: Yet now God in his gracious kindness declares us not guilty. He has done this through Christ Jesus, who has freed us by taking away our sins.
I believe there is nothing more we can explain and elaborate from these two verses. It is absolutely clear and in our previous study of Romans and revelations, I have given a reference to Romans 3:23 in particular.
Now, we obviously don't have the right to call ourselves sinless from birth. In other words, this is nothing but self righteousness which the pharisees and scribes were infected with during the time of Jesus. Of course, unfortunately many people in the Church (as a whole) today have the same bondage the Pharisees and Scribes were bonded to in spiritual terms.
Romans 3:25-26:
Verse 25: For God sent Jesus to take the punishment for our sins and to satisfy God’s anger against us. We are made right with God when we believe that Jesus shed his blood, sacrificing his life for us. God was being entirely fair and just when he did not punish those who sinned in former times.
Verse 26: And he is entirely fair and just in this present time when he declares sinners to be right in his sight because they believe in Jesus.
These two verses are absolutely clear as well. Nothing more can be brought out more simpler than what Paul the Apostle mentioned. In fact these verses, give us the strength and the motivation to tell everyone about what Jesus did for us.
Romans 3:27-28:
Verse 27: Can we boast, then, that we have done anything to be accepted by God? No, because our acquittal is not based on our good deeds. It is based on our faith.
Verse 28: So we are made right with God through faith and not by obeying the law.
Of course we definitely don't have the right to say that because of our deeds we are acceptable in God's sight. Now I don't know if I mentioned this point earlier in our study or not, but if I didn't, this is what I want to say:
In fact many times whenever we do good deeds, the enemy tempts us inside and if we are not careful, we will develop a spiritual ego problem (we tend to become proud of our good deeds).
Now let me come to another point, when we accept Jesus Christ into our heart, when He forgives our sins (in other words we are born again), this doesn't mean that we have a free license to sin. When God made us right in His sight, He didn't want us to have a motive that anything goes, but He wants us to live our life new.
Romans 3:29-30:
Verse 29: After all, God is not the God of the Jews only, is He? Isn’t He also the God of the Gentiles? Of course He is.
Verse 30: There is only one God, and there is only one way of being accepted by Him. He makes people right with Himself only by faith, whether they are Jews or Gentiles.
Now again, Paul the apostle relates his focus between the Jews and the gentiles, much like what he did in Romans 2 and Romans 3:1-4 & 9 No matter in which family we are born, there is only one way to heaven and it is through Jesus Christ.
Romans 3:31: Well then, if we emphasize faith, does this mean that we can forget about the law? Of course not! In fact, only when we have faith do we truly fulfill the law.
Here Paul the Apostle wants to remind us that God's grace is not meant for us to have a free license to sin, but to obey what God has commanded us to do in the law. We will be coming across this same point in Romans 6, I think.
I will post a study on faith shortly in a new thread, I have to still prepare the notes for it.
God bless you. Any more points to discuss?
Greetings to all of you. I'm very sorry for the delay I have made, but after April 16th, it will be holidays for me and I will be free for sometime.
Brother Rjones, I have enjoyed your posts and I continue to pray for your family. By the way, I want to know, what is the meaning of IOU in your post? Could you please tell me.
Sister Maureen, I continue to pray for your husband and your children.
Here is my post on Romans 3:21-31.
Romans 3:21-22:
Verse 21: But now God has shown us a different way of being right in his sight not by obeying the law but by the way promised in the Scriptures long ago.
Verse 22: We are made right in God’s sight when we trust in Jesus Christ to take away our sins. And we all can be saved in this same way, no matter who we are or what we have done.
In our previous discussion, we have seen very clearly that:
1) The law has revealed the knowledge of sin.
2) Every man will be condemned based on the law. Man can never be made right in God's sight through the law.
So God has shown us a new way of being right in His sight. Please see this thread (I don't know if I shared this with you):
http://www.talkjesus.com/bible-study-hall/16591-grace.html (Click the thread)
No matter what we have done, no matter how bad, terrible and evil we are, we can be made right in God's sight through faith in Jesus Christ, to take away our sins.
Romans 3:23-24:
Verse 23: For all have sinned; all fall short of God’s glorious standard.
Verse 24: Yet now God in his gracious kindness declares us not guilty. He has done this through Christ Jesus, who has freed us by taking away our sins.
I believe there is nothing more we can explain and elaborate from these two verses. It is absolutely clear and in our previous study of Romans and revelations, I have given a reference to Romans 3:23 in particular.
Now, we obviously don't have the right to call ourselves sinless from birth. In other words, this is nothing but self righteousness which the pharisees and scribes were infected with during the time of Jesus. Of course, unfortunately many people in the Church (as a whole) today have the same bondage the Pharisees and Scribes were bonded to in spiritual terms.
Romans 3:25-26:
Verse 25: For God sent Jesus to take the punishment for our sins and to satisfy God’s anger against us. We are made right with God when we believe that Jesus shed his blood, sacrificing his life for us. God was being entirely fair and just when he did not punish those who sinned in former times.
Verse 26: And he is entirely fair and just in this present time when he declares sinners to be right in his sight because they believe in Jesus.
These two verses are absolutely clear as well. Nothing more can be brought out more simpler than what Paul the Apostle mentioned. In fact these verses, give us the strength and the motivation to tell everyone about what Jesus did for us.
Romans 3:27-28:
Verse 27: Can we boast, then, that we have done anything to be accepted by God? No, because our acquittal is not based on our good deeds. It is based on our faith.
Verse 28: So we are made right with God through faith and not by obeying the law.
Of course we definitely don't have the right to say that because of our deeds we are acceptable in God's sight. Now I don't know if I mentioned this point earlier in our study or not, but if I didn't, this is what I want to say:
In fact many times whenever we do good deeds, the enemy tempts us inside and if we are not careful, we will develop a spiritual ego problem (we tend to become proud of our good deeds).
Now let me come to another point, when we accept Jesus Christ into our heart, when He forgives our sins (in other words we are born again), this doesn't mean that we have a free license to sin. When God made us right in His sight, He didn't want us to have a motive that anything goes, but He wants us to live our life new.
Romans 3:29-30:
Verse 29: After all, God is not the God of the Jews only, is He? Isn’t He also the God of the Gentiles? Of course He is.
Verse 30: There is only one God, and there is only one way of being accepted by Him. He makes people right with Himself only by faith, whether they are Jews or Gentiles.
Now again, Paul the apostle relates his focus between the Jews and the gentiles, much like what he did in Romans 2 and Romans 3:1-4 & 9 No matter in which family we are born, there is only one way to heaven and it is through Jesus Christ.
Romans 3:31: Well then, if we emphasize faith, does this mean that we can forget about the law? Of course not! In fact, only when we have faith do we truly fulfill the law.
Here Paul the Apostle wants to remind us that God's grace is not meant for us to have a free license to sin, but to obey what God has commanded us to do in the law. We will be coming across this same point in Romans 6, I think.
I will post a study on faith shortly in a new thread, I have to still prepare the notes for it.
God bless you. Any more points to discuss?
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rjones
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Great post Brother Richie!
Thank you for your continued prayers.
Here is the definition of IOU.
IOU is a 3-letter acronym that means a note and acknowledgment of personal debt (from the phrase "I owe you" or "I owe unto").
Here is my post for Romans 4:1-3
Abraham was not justified by works, but declared righteous through faith.
What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather, discovered in this matter? If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about—but not before God. What does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness."
What then shall we say: In building on the thought begun in Romans 3:31 Paul asks the question, “Does the idea of justification through faith, apart from the works of the law, make what God did in the Old Testament irrelevant?”
that Abraham, our forefather,discovered in this matter: In answering that question, Paul looks at Abraham, the most esteemed man among the Jewish people of his day.
If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about—but not before God. If anyone could be justified by works, they would have something to boast about. Nevertheless such boasting is nothing before God. This boasting is nothing before God because even if works could justify a man he would still, in some way, fall short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23). Every pretense is stripped away and it is evident that no one can really be justified by works.
For what does the Scripture say? The Old Testament does not say Abraham was declared righteous because of his works. Instead, Genesis 15:6 says that Abraham believed God and it was accounted to him for righteousness. Paul makes it clear that Abraham’s righteousness did not come from his performance of good works, but from his belief in God. It was a righteousness obtained through faith.
The Apostle Paul does not say that Abraham was made righteous in all of his doings, but God accounted Abraham as righteous. Our justification is not God making us perfectly righteous, but counting us as perfectly righteous. After we are counted righteous, then God begins making us truly righteous, culminating in our resurrection.
“Counted is logizomai. It was used in early secular documents; ‘put down to one’s account, let my revenues be placed on deposit at the storehouse; I now give orders generally with regard to all payments actually made or credited to the government.’ Thus, God put to Abraham’s account, placed on deposit for him, credited to him, righteousness . . . Abraham possessed righteousness in the same manner as a person would possess a sum of money placed in his account in a bank.” (Wuest)
Genesis 15:6 does not tell us how other men accounted Abraham. Instead, it tells us how God accounted him. “Moses [in Genesis] does not, indeed, tell us what men thought of him [Abraham], but how he was accounted before the tribunal of God.” (Calvin)
God bless.
Thank you for your continued prayers.
Here is the definition of IOU.
IOU is a 3-letter acronym that means a note and acknowledgment of personal debt (from the phrase "I owe you" or "I owe unto").
Here is my post for Romans 4:1-3
Abraham was not justified by works, but declared righteous through faith.
What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather, discovered in this matter? If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about—but not before God. What does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness."
What then shall we say: In building on the thought begun in Romans 3:31 Paul asks the question, “Does the idea of justification through faith, apart from the works of the law, make what God did in the Old Testament irrelevant?”
that Abraham, our forefather,discovered in this matter: In answering that question, Paul looks at Abraham, the most esteemed man among the Jewish people of his day.
If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about—but not before God. If anyone could be justified by works, they would have something to boast about. Nevertheless such boasting is nothing before God. This boasting is nothing before God because even if works could justify a man he would still, in some way, fall short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23). Every pretense is stripped away and it is evident that no one can really be justified by works.
For what does the Scripture say? The Old Testament does not say Abraham was declared righteous because of his works. Instead, Genesis 15:6 says that Abraham believed God and it was accounted to him for righteousness. Paul makes it clear that Abraham’s righteousness did not come from his performance of good works, but from his belief in God. It was a righteousness obtained through faith.
The Apostle Paul does not say that Abraham was made righteous in all of his doings, but God accounted Abraham as righteous. Our justification is not God making us perfectly righteous, but counting us as perfectly righteous. After we are counted righteous, then God begins making us truly righteous, culminating in our resurrection.
“Counted is logizomai. It was used in early secular documents; ‘put down to one’s account, let my revenues be placed on deposit at the storehouse; I now give orders generally with regard to all payments actually made or credited to the government.’ Thus, God put to Abraham’s account, placed on deposit for him, credited to him, righteousness . . . Abraham possessed righteousness in the same manner as a person would possess a sum of money placed in his account in a bank.” (Wuest)
Genesis 15:6 does not tell us how other men accounted Abraham. Instead, it tells us how God accounted him. “Moses [in Genesis] does not, indeed, tell us what men thought of him [Abraham], but how he was accounted before the tribunal of God.” (Calvin)
God bless.
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Dear Brother,
Thanks for your question. The main reason why Paul the Apostle uses the illustration of a slave is because it will be easy to understand. Just see this verse:
Romans 6:19: I speak this way, using the illustration of slaves and masters, because it is easy to understand. Before, you let yourselves be slaves of impurity and lawlessness. Now you must choose to be slaves of righteousness so that you will become holy.
This is all I want to say. I hope you will join us in the study.
God bless you.
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Dear Brother Rjones,
Great post! Thank you for your post.
Now to every body who is studying with us, I have a question for you.
Now Abraham is considered as the father of faith. Isn't he?
Now if you consider the case of Moses, he made a mistake here:
Numbers 20:8:Take the rod, and gather thou the assembly together, thou, and Aaron thy brother, and speak ye unto the rock before their eyes; and it shall give forth his water, and thou shalt bring forth to them water out of the rock: so thou shalt give the congregation and their beasts drink.
God told Moses to speak to the rock, but instead:
Numbers 20:10-11:
10 Then he and Aaron summoned the people to come and gather at the rock. “Listen, you rebels!” he shouted. “Must we bring you water from this rock?”
11 Then Moses raised his hand and struck the rock twice with the staff, and water gushed out. So all the people and their livestock drank their fill.
Moses struck the rock instead of what God told him to do. Of course the miracle took place but this is what God told him:
Numbers 20:12 But the Lord said to Moses and Aaron, “Because you did not trust me enough to demonstrate my holiness to the people of Israel, you will not lead them into the land I am giving them!
Now if you consider the case of Abraham, he did a thing a lot lot worse when compared to what Moses did. He begot Ishmael through his servant, which is extremely illegal.
Now my question is, How is Abraham more acceptable in God's eyes when compared to Moses? Abraham is considered as the father of faith, but why not Moses? Didn't God work many wonders through Moses? Yes He did.
I just want to hear from you, before I post my study on Romans 4.
God bless you.
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Exodus 2 v 14
And he said, Who made thee a prince and a judge over us? intendest thou to kill me, as thou killedst the Egyptian? And Moses feared, and said, Surely this thing is known.
I dont suppose this would be on the record of Moses by God as was with David as is written:-
2 Samuel 12 v 10
Now therefore the sword shall never depart from thine house; because thou hast despised me, and hast taken the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be thy wife.
Just my assuptions Ritchie, prob way of line.
And he said, Who made thee a prince and a judge over us? intendest thou to kill me, as thou killedst the Egyptian? And Moses feared, and said, Surely this thing is known.
I dont suppose this would be on the record of Moses by God as was with David as is written:-
2 Samuel 12 v 10
Now therefore the sword shall never depart from thine house; because thou hast despised me, and hast taken the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be thy wife.
Just my assuptions Ritchie, prob way of line.
I await with eagerness bro. Thank you.
Really enjoying this study, was told on Sunday that the church were I go will not agree with Romans 9 because of predestination.
Must talk to a bro while there and find out more.
It states it clearly enough there, but that's for in the future when we get around to it, God willing.
Not wanting to jump ahead.
Really enjoying this study, was told on Sunday that the church were I go will not agree with Romans 9 because of predestination.
Must talk to a bro while there and find out more.
It states it clearly enough there, but that's for in the future when we get around to it, God willing.
Not wanting to jump ahead.
Ritchie I'm only going by what a neighbour whom I gave a lift home to on Sunday told me.
I will take it up with others who help minister in the church.
I thought it strange also, but Billy the neighbour said it's known of all Brethren churches.
Perhaps it's the 'Free Will' choice issue. Only surmising now.
Looking forward to studying it. Am still engrossed with ch.4.
Understood fully the implications of a 'slave' well explained bro.
I will take it up with others who help minister in the church.
I thought it strange also, but Billy the neighbour said it's known of all Brethren churches.
Perhaps it's the 'Free Will' choice issue. Only surmising now.
Looking forward to studying it. Am still engrossed with ch.4.
Understood fully the implications of a 'slave' well explained bro.
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Hope you's don't mind if I make a small contribution again.1What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
2For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
3For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
How was Abraham saved?
by works? no, by faith! Genesis 15 v 6 'And he believed in the Lord, and he counted it to him for righteousness.
Abraham was not saved by the keeping of the law because it had not been given, nor by religious rituals, but by God's grace.
v4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
Doing 'good works' does not aquire a reward, but they are working because of a debt owed, not realizing that debt is already paid on the cross of Calvary.
v5-8 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
6Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
7Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
8Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
God justifies the ungodly, but to him that believeth on him that 'justifies the ungodly' his faith is counted for righeousness, as to was David justified when he repented and truned to God, after he sinned with Bethsheba 2 Sam 11 v 4
The Lord allowed David to feel the bitter conseqences of his sins
2Sam 12v10/12 .....the sword shall never depart from thine house because thou hast despised me
v 14 14Howbeit, because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die
Matt 9 v 12/13
12But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick.
13But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Above verses with reference to justifing the ungodly.
Because Paul preached Salvation by grace alone, he was accused of promoting sin Roman 3 v 7/8
7For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?
8And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just.
Persons who experience the grace of God as forgiveness have no desire to sin and if they do they confess it immediatly to the Lord 1 John 1 v 9,
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1 John 2 v 1
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
We are tempted and somtimes fall, but we do not stay down
1 Cor 10 v 13
There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
Ps 37 v 23/24
23The steps of a good man are ordered by the LORD: and he delighteth in his way.
24Though he fall, he shall not be utterly cast down: for the LORD upholdeth him with his hand.
Psalm 32 Tells us what God does for His own.
Romans 9-12
[U]Circumcision[/U].
Jesus requires our hearts to be circumcized not of the flesh as was in the OT.
The Jews paid more attention (some still do) to outward cleanliness than the cleanliness of the hearts state. ie. their Passover Feast as in Matt 23:25-28
25Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
26Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.
27Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
28Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.
Matt15 v 20
20These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.
13For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
Abrahams promise came through his relationship by faith to God and not through the obedience of the law.
14For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:
Those under the law make faith void and therefore the promise is of none effecct. Those who think they are 'good enough' in God's sight they are saying faith is useless.
I hope this isn't a confusing study bros, I have finished off at verse 14 I have carried onto the end of the chapter, but I think this is probably enough for now, is for me anyway.
I write it up in my own book then bring it to hear and type my writings up.
I hope I have not deviated off in anyway with the reference verses, I can take a sounding so don't worry if it's needed I'm prepared.
My hubby was just today making a comparison between himself and my Mum, my Mum being a stay at home Christian, she never really had the desire to attend church did for a few years at the begining of her walk then stopped, now he goes twice sometimes to church in the week and was just saying he's better than she, well I got a good opportunity to explain to him, he wasn't in God's eyes, that it's his heart he wants not his church attendance. Although when you give Him your heart you will want to go to church even more, you have a desire, not a duty.
Just thought I'd share this with you, I have told it before to him, but it doesn't penitrate.
I think what I've been reading and writing brought it to my mind again.
2For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
3For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
How was Abraham saved?
by works? no, by faith! Genesis 15 v 6 'And he believed in the Lord, and he counted it to him for righteousness.
Abraham was not saved by the keeping of the law because it had not been given, nor by religious rituals, but by God's grace.
v4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
Doing 'good works' does not aquire a reward, but they are working because of a debt owed, not realizing that debt is already paid on the cross of Calvary.
v5-8 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
6Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
7Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
8Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
God justifies the ungodly, but to him that believeth on him that 'justifies the ungodly' his faith is counted for righeousness, as to was David justified when he repented and truned to God, after he sinned with Bethsheba 2 Sam 11 v 4
The Lord allowed David to feel the bitter conseqences of his sins
2Sam 12v10/12 .....the sword shall never depart from thine house because thou hast despised me
v 14 14Howbeit, because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die
Matt 9 v 12/13
12But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick.
13But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Above verses with reference to justifing the ungodly.
Because Paul preached Salvation by grace alone, he was accused of promoting sin Roman 3 v 7/8
7For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?
8And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just.
Persons who experience the grace of God as forgiveness have no desire to sin and if they do they confess it immediatly to the Lord 1 John 1 v 9,
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1 John 2 v 1
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
We are tempted and somtimes fall, but we do not stay down
1 Cor 10 v 13
There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
Ps 37 v 23/24
23The steps of a good man are ordered by the LORD: and he delighteth in his way.
24Though he fall, he shall not be utterly cast down: for the LORD upholdeth him with his hand.
Psalm 32 Tells us what God does for His own.
Romans 9-12
[U]Circumcision[/U].
Jesus requires our hearts to be circumcized not of the flesh as was in the OT.
The Jews paid more attention (some still do) to outward cleanliness than the cleanliness of the hearts state. ie. their Passover Feast as in Matt 23:25-28
25Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
26Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.
27Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
28Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.
Matt15 v 20
20These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.
13For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
Abrahams promise came through his relationship by faith to God and not through the obedience of the law.
14For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:
Those under the law make faith void and therefore the promise is of none effecct. Those who think they are 'good enough' in God's sight they are saying faith is useless.
I hope this isn't a confusing study bros, I have finished off at verse 14 I have carried onto the end of the chapter, but I think this is probably enough for now, is for me anyway.
I write it up in my own book then bring it to hear and type my writings up.
I hope I have not deviated off in anyway with the reference verses, I can take a sounding so don't worry if it's needed I'm prepared.
My hubby was just today making a comparison between himself and my Mum, my Mum being a stay at home Christian, she never really had the desire to attend church did for a few years at the begining of her walk then stopped, now he goes twice sometimes to church in the week and was just saying he's better than she, well I got a good opportunity to explain to him, he wasn't in God's eyes, that it's his heart he wants not his church attendance. Although when you give Him your heart you will want to go to church even more, you have a desire, not a duty.
Just thought I'd share this with you, I have told it before to him, but it doesn't penitrate.
I think what I've been reading and writing brought it to my mind again.
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Dear Brother Richie and Sister Maureen and to all that are studying with us,
Grace and peace to you in Jesus name.
Brother Richie,
You have asked an excellent question. I'm praying and asking God for his direction in this and I'm also doing some research in the Word. I don't have an answer yet.
Sister Maureen,
Great post with excellent references. No sounding coming from me. In fact, quite the opposite. Keep on post with confidence in the Holy Spirit that what is being revealed through you is exactly what Jesus is wanting you to say. Praise God!
Let us continue.
Grace and peace to you in Jesus name.
Brother Richie,
You have asked an excellent question. I'm praying and asking God for his direction in this and I'm also doing some research in the Word. I don't have an answer yet.
Sister Maureen,
Great post with excellent references. No sounding coming from me. In fact, quite the opposite. Keep on post with confidence in the Holy Spirit that what is being revealed through you is exactly what Jesus is wanting you to say. Praise God!
Let us continue.
I've no problem with that bro Newmex
but then I may not have the Holy Spirit answer.
I would just post it anyway, these 2 bros are quite fine, they will not mind.
I pray I speak for them.
Nice of you to join in, Romans is a great book.
But then I love Paul's writings so I would say that.
but then I may not have the Holy Spirit answer.
I would just post it anyway, these 2 bros are quite fine, they will not mind.
I pray I speak for them.
Nice of you to join in, Romans is a great book.
But then I love Paul's writings so I would say that.
Hello Brother,
You are most welcome to join us in the study. No problem, if you want to ask questions from the previous posts. We're doing this study slowly as well.
I hope this study will be an encouragement for you.
God bless you.
