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Wisdom with commandments

Copper25

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Have we slipped into an age were people do not desire wisdom, where one in a thousand are interested because this world holds every type of false wisdom and only those led by God shall escape it, 1 John 5:5) “Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?” John 3:36) “He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.” Now the question is what does it mean to believe in him because only they have eternal life, John 3:36) “He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life” and all others don’t qualify. So let us examine this

John 14:21) He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
As we can see, keeping his commandments corresponds directly with being loved by God and one showing their love for God. John 14:21) “He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me” therefore those that keep not his commandments don’t love him
Who abides in the Vine, John 15:5) “I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.” 1 John 3:24) “And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

Notice how keeping his commandments corresponds directly with one abiding in him therefore those that are Christ, that dwell and abide in him keepeth his commandments. Now while we are not justified by works to establish our relationship God, how important is it to keep his commandments! Revelation 22:12) “And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.” Revelation 3:11) “Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.” Now who gets the crown of life, they that keep his commandments. Why, because it is they that love him, James 1:12) “Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.” Can one love God but not keep his commandments, I think not. John 10:35) “the scripture cannot be broken”.

Think about it, Matthew 24:12) “And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.” and what is love, “He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me”. 1 John 3:18) “My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.” Notice how this statement is a demand for action. James 1:12) “blessed is the man that endureth temptation”, isn’t that exactly what we would have to do in this sin filled and wicked world to keep God’s commandments, to honor the sacrifice of our Lord whom we love and obey, Revelation 14:12) “Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.” Now considering the emphasis that is put on the ten commandments, what would think that one would not in any way have to uphold them now. Psalm 119:35) “Make me to go in the path of thy commandments; for therein do I delight.” Psalm 119:157) “Many are my persecutors and mine enemies; yet do I not decline from thy testimonies.” That’s faith, keeping the commandments of God even when faced with adversity and this world is full of it just waiting for us to try and lure us away from being obedient to God.

The world is justified or has been offered a window to gain its relationship with God because 1 John 2:2) “And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world.” Now many believe, but how many obey and accept Christ Lordship and come to him in submissiveness? The (1 John 2:16) “lust of the flesh“, and the (1 John 2:16) “lust of the eyes”, and the (1 John 2:16) “pride of life” will all keep one from abiding in Christ whether it be because of idolism, which spiritual means touching any uncleanness or immorality, Isaiah 52:11) “Depart ye, depart ye, go ye out from thence, touch no unclean thing; go ye out of the midst of her; be ye clean, that bear the vessels of the LORD.” or whether it be the snare of one’s own subjection to unrighteousness, sin, and iniquity, which is why many will hear, Matthew 7:23) “I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
 
Hi brother! I always enjoy reading your posts. We may not always have the same view on things but I respect you and your opinion ; I see a real love for God and His Word in you. There are many members in the body, and so many different ways in which His children walk, I am convinced that God has a purpose for each of them. That being said I would just like to share my opinion:

Although I do not really know anyone who is purposefully avoiding wisdom, there are definitely some who do not walk in it. If we find ourselves in Christ however we will have great wisdom for He has been made wisdom unto us:
1Co 1:30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
He has redeemed me, He took my foolish life and became my very righteousness, in Him I am sanctified and the Father in His great wisdom has made His own Son to be my very wisdom.

Spiritual people are not led by command but by the Spirit of God. In following Him we do quite naturally what the commandments require. Jesus gave precious few commandments but told us if we but follow these two we would have them all covered:
Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.

 
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Although I do not really know anyone who is purposefully avoiding wisdom their are definitely some who do not walk in it. If we find ourselves in Christ however we will have great wisdom for He has been made wisdom unto us:
1Co 1:30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
He has redeemed me, He took my foolish life and became my very righteousness, in Him I am sanctified and the Father in His great wisdom has made His own Son to be my very wisdom.

Spiritual people are not led by command but by the Spirit of God. In following Him we do quite naturally what the commandments require. Jesus gave precious few commandments but told us if we but follow these two we would have them all covered:
Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.


My testimony also Boanerges,
"He has redeemed me, He took my foolish life and became my very righteousness, in Him I am sanctified and the Father in His great wisdom has made His own Son to be my very wisdom."

He is everything to me, My life, my hope, my righteousness , he fills me, keeps me, and gives me a future.
Without him, there is no good thing in me.
 
Hi brother! I always enjoy reading your posts. We may not always have the same view on things but I respect you and your opinion ; I see a real love for God and His Word in you. There are many members in the body, and so many different ways in which His children walk, I am convinced that God has a purpose for each of them. That being said I would just like to share my opinion:

Although I do not really know anyone who is purposefully avoiding wisdom their are definitely some who do not walk in it. If we find ourselves in Christ however we will have great wisdom for He has been made wisdom unto us:
1Co 1:30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
He has redeemed me, He took my foolish life and became my very righteousness, in Him I am sanctified and the Father in His great wisdom has made His own Son to be my very wisdom.

Spiritual people are not led by command but by the Spirit of God. In following Him we do quite naturally what the commandments require. Jesus gave precious few commandments but told us if we but follow these two we would have them all covered:
Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.


Excellent post Boanerges, anything, however good it might be, without HolySpirit's leading and assistance is vain.

When the Law was given, judges were also given to interpret, discern and execute the law. But as time went on Israel rejected God's appointed judges and desired a king like all the other nations. As a result, the law was now interpreted and amended carnally, so much so that when Jesus made His appearence in the flesh, he was continually trying to correct the pharisees' interpretations of the law.

God in His new covenant not only promises to write His laws on our hearts but He also gives us His Spirit to interpret His law written within us and guide us accordingly. Without HolySpirit's interpreting of the law we are no different than the Pharisees who were found resisting, rejecting and revolting against God and His plan for reconciliation.
 
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Spiritual people are not led by command but by the Spirit of God. In following Him we do quite naturally what the commandments require. Jesus gave precious few commandments but told us if we but follow these two we would have them all covered: Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.

Amen, in agreement brother. No works (OT) that we follow will save us nor make the blessings from GOD any greater. It is His grace in Jesus Christ.

After all, if we still try to follow the OT laws then the Cross is rendered useless.

Romans 7:4
Likewise, my brothers, you also have died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who has been raised from the dead, in order that we may bear fruit for God.

Galatians 2:15-17 (English Standard Version)

Justified by Faith

15We ourselves are Jews by birth and not Gentile sinners; 16yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified. 17But if, in our endeavor to be justified in Christ, we too were found to be sinners, is Christ then a servant of sin? Certainly not!
 
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Amen, in agreement brother. No works (OT) that we follow will save us nor make the blessings from GOD any greater. It is His grace in Jesus Christ.

After all, if we still try to follow the OT laws then the Cross is rendered useless.

Now under the law no man is justified, but instead are condemned, Romans 7:7) "What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid"

Romans 2:12-13) "as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

James 1:22) But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

So under the law none are justified but by Christ our Lord we are saved

Isaiah 64:6) But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

but can we be without works?

James 2:20) But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

No because faith without works is dead, now can one call Christ their Lord and do not what he says?

Luke 6:46) “And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

One can but unless one does what Christ says then how is Christ their Lord? Can a servant be without obedience to their lord or and a disciple be without obedience to his master? I think not lest he is that evil servant talked about in Matthew 24 who gets sawn asunder and gets cast into a place where there “shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” , his portion being with the hypocrites. Therefore if one does not seek obeidence to the Lord, what would separate them from an unbeliever? Or separate him from them like Sodom and Gomorrah who chose disobedience? Can one choose disobedience, yet abide in God, I think not, else everyone that did confess Christ just giving lip service would qualify also and we know what is said to those type, Matthew 15:8) "This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me."
 
Cooper, you got it confused. You're taking different verses that have different meanings.

Faith without works = out of our faith in Christ, following Him we do "works" as a result of bearing fruit of the Holy Spirit. This has nothing to do with trying to abide by the 10 commands (aka, "law"). Are you going to even tell me that you have no problem following the 10 commandments. Then, you break them and then what? Back to Christ on the Cross. Hence, Christ fulfilled the law because we cannot.

See, its much more simpler than mixing verses and context.

Romans 7:7, do you even know what Paul is referring to here? He is saying the law is GOD's standards that we broke and cannot meet due to sin. So, the law basically exposes our sins. That is the OT. The NT, we're under grace now through Jesus Christ.

If we're to still abide by the law, then why did Jesus pay the price on the Cross? Why the need for a new covenant?

The law is what exposes our sins, giving us knowledge of our sinful nature in light of GOD's perfect Holiness. In other words, too late for us. So, Christ came in and fulfilled the punishment for breaking the laws which we could not have possibly done ourselves.
 
Now while we are not justified by works to establish our relationship God, how important is it to keep his commandments! Revelation 22:12)

When we come to Christ, we turn our wills and our lives over to His guidance. And it is the Holy Spirit's power working in us in connection with our surrender that transforms us.

"Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed - not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence - continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you to act according to His good purpose." (Phil 2:12-13 NIV)

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Now under the law no man is justified, but instead are condemned, Romans 7:7) "What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid"

Romans 2:12-13) "as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

James 1:22) But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.


O I am sorry, It was my great foolishness, I don't know what I was thinking, The way these verse were used in my reply made absolutly no sense! Wow and how important is it for us to divid the word correctly, my mistake and my shame!

 
O I am sorry, It was my great foolishness, I don't know what I was thinking, The way these verse were used in my reply made absolutly no sense! Wow and how important is it for us to divid the word correctly, my mistake and my shame!
There is no need for embarrassment among friends and family.
 
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