• Welcome to Talk Jesus

    A true bible based, Jesus centered online community. Join over 11,000 members today

    Register Log In

Will people go to hell? What does the Bible say?

Users who viewed this discussion (Total:11)

Do you know what the Bible says about if people go to hell?

  • Yes

    Votes: 13 92.9%
  • No

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • I think so but I am not sure

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • I don't think it matters

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • I haven't really looked to see what it actually says

    Votes: 1 7.1%
  • That is what everyone says, so it must be true

    Votes: 1 7.1%
  • I think so but I am interested in finding out for sure

    Votes: 1 7.1%

  • Total voters
    14
Member
No they don't.
Hebrew is not Greek, Greek in not Hebrew. The new Testament wasn't written in Hebrew. Trying to translate the old testament into the new testament
and the new testament into the old testament is false justification of translation. The Bible says what it means, and means what it says.

If you have to close your left eye every third word, and blink your right eye every fourth word, and reverse the letters every fifth word...
You're probably confused. The Bible isn't that hard.
I think we should keep in mind that the Bible doesn't "say" anything. It can't speak to us and tell us what passages mean. That means that we are interpreting the Bible, which we do based on our presuppositions. So, what we believe before coming to the Bible will determine how we interpret the Bible. In addition to that, we're reading a translation. So, we're reading someone else's interpretation of the Bible. So, in effect we are interpreting an interpretation of the Bible. That means our interpretation is only likely to be correct if the interpretation we are reading is correct. If the interpretation we are reading is incorrect then it's likely ours will be too.

You are correct that the Old Testament was written in Hebrew. However, around 250 B.C. it was translated into Greek, by Jewish scholars and was known as the Septuagint or the LXX. This was then copied and spread through the Greek speaking Jews who had been scattered during the Babylonian exile. It became the Bible of the early Christians before the New Testament was written. When Paul said to Timothy,

And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. (2 Tim. 3:15 KJV)

it would have been this Septuagint that Timothy would have studied. It's also this Septuagint that Jesus and the apostles used and primarily quoted from. When the Jewish scholars translated this word olam, which means, to the horizon, not eternity, they used the Greek word aion. They were trying to express this idea of "to the horizon" in Greek. The distance to the horizon would be different depending on the terrain. On flat land the horizon would be in the distance. In hilly terrain the horizon could be relatively close. The distance would determine the time it took to reach the horizon. Thus olam could indicated different lengths of time. Likewise aion was used of different lengths of time. In English the best translation would be an age.

Both olam and aion are used of things that end. Jesus spoke of the end of the aion, He spoke of this aion and the aion to come. The English word eternity, by definition, means unending. Something that ends is not unending. It simply can't be. Thus, olam and aion cannot mean eternity or forever. They just can't.
 
Loyal
You are correct that the Old Testament was written in Hebrew. However, around 250 B.C. it was translated into Greek, by Jewish scholars and was known as the Septuagint or the LXX. This was then copied and spread through the Greek speaking Jews who had been scattered during the Babylonian exile. It became the Bible of the early Christians before the New Testament was written. When Paul said to Timothy,
That's only true of the King James (possibly a few others).. most modern translation by-pass the Septuagint all together and are translated from original manuscripts.
 
Member
That's only true of the King James (possibly a few others).. most modern translation by-pass the Septuagint all together and are translated from original manuscripts.
Actually, it's not. I really wish the modern translations would use the Septuagint since it's what Jesus and the apostles used. However they don't. Most translations are using the Masoretic text for the Old Testament which comes from around the 700's A.D. They're not using the original texts. We don't have the originals, the ones written by the apostles. The Septuagint is much Older than the copies of the Masoretic text we have. Even the copies of the Septuagint that we have are older than the Masoretic text used in modern translations, they're from around 400 A.D.
 
Loyal
You don't know what Jesus used. You have no proof of this. You are making a lot of things up on presuposition.
 
Member
You don't know what Jesus used. You have no proof of this. You are making a lot of things up on presuposition.
Actually, we do have evidence that Jesus and the apostles used the Septuagint. Many of their quotes match the Septuagint verbatim but the Masoretic text reads differently. Below are some examples. I believe these show that the Septuagint was the Bible Jesus and the apostles used.

Below are several New Testament quotes, I have given the corresponding verses in the Old Testament, from both the Masoretic text which is the text used in almost all of the current English Bibles, and the Septuagint or the LXX, which is the Greek text used in the time of Christ. Notice how the Masoretic text does not follow the New Testament quotes as the Septuagint does. This is just a few, there are a lot more.

New Testament
Hebrews 1:6 ( KJV ) 6And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

The writer of Hebrews quotes this verse from Deuteronomy 32:43

Masoretic text
Deuteronomy 32:43 ( KJV ) 43Rejoice, O ye nations, with his people: for he will avenge the blood of his servants, and will render vengeance to his adversaries, and will be merciful unto his land, and to his people.

Where are the words, "And let all the angels of God worship him"?

Septuagint
Deuteronomy 32:43 Rejoice, ye heavens, with him, and let all the angels of God worship him; rejoice ye Gentiles, with his people, and let all the sons of God strengthen themselves in him; for he will avenge the blood of his sons, and he will render vengeance, and recompense justice to his enemies, and will reward them that hate him; and the Lord shall purge the land of his people.

New Testament
Hebrews 10:5 ( KJV ) 5Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

The writer of Hebrews quotes this verse from Psalm 40:6

Masoretic text
Psalms 40:6 ( KJV ) 6 Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; mine ears hast thou opened: burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required.

Where are the words, " but a body hast thou prepared me:"? This is an important part to leave out since it speaks of the incarnation of Christ.

Septuagint
Psalms 40:6 Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not; but a body hast thou prepared me: whole-burnt-offering and sacrifice for sin thou didst not require.

New Testament
1 Peter 4:18 ( KJV ) 18And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?

Peter quotes Proverbs 11:31

Masoretic text
Proverbs 11:31 ( KJV ) 31Behold, the righteous shall be recompensed in the earth: much more the wicked and the sinner.

Septuagint
Proverbs 11:31 If the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?

New Testament
Matthew 3:3 ( KJV ) 3For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.

Here Mtthew quotes Isaiah 40:3

Masoretic text
Isaiah 40:3 ( KJV ) 3The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.

Septuagint
Isaiah 40:3 The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make straight the paths of our God.

New Testament
James 4:6 ( KJV ) 6But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.

Here James quotes Proverbs 3:34

Masoretic text
Proverbs 3:34 ( KJV ) 34Surely he scorneth the scorners: but he giveth grace unto the lowly.

Septuagint
Proveerbs 3:34 The Lord resists the proud; but he gives grace to the humble.

New Testament
Matthew 15:7-9 ( KJV ) 7Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, 8This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. 9But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Here Jesus quotes from Isaiah 29:13

Masoretic text
Isaiah 29:13 ( KJV ) 13Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:

Septuagint,
Isaiah 29:13 And the Lord has said, This people draw nigh to me with their mouth, and they honour me with their lips, but their heart is far from me: but in vain do they worship me, teaching the commandments and doctrines of men.

New Testament
Matthew 21:16 ( KJV ) 16And said unto him, Hearest thou what these say? And Jesus saith unto them, Yea; have ye never read, Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings thou hast perfected praise?

Masoretic text
Psalms 8:2 ( KJV ) 2 Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings hast thou ordained strength because of thine enemies, that thou mightest still the enemy and the avenger.

Septuagint,
Psalms 8:2 Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings hast thou perfected praise, because of thine enemies; that thou mightest put down the enemy and avenger.
 
Member

Wnl

Hi All, you may find this interesting and maybe study,

AND THE SEA GAVE UP THE DEAD ( spiritually dead) WHICH WERE IN IT
( also called raging waves of the sea who are foaming out their own shame
JUDE 13) AND THEY WERE JUDGED EVERY MAN ACCORDING TO THEIR
WORKS......AND WHOSOEVER WAS NOT FOUND IN THE BOOK OF LIFE
WAS CAST IN THE LAKE OF FIRE( Rev 20: 13&15)

Will these wicked RAGING WAVES OF THE SEA continue foaming out their
shame for ALL ETERNITY,in place of eternal torture, or will Jesus once again
work on the waters and cause a GREAT CALM to come over all humanity.

The spiritual in the lake of fire is a powerful, powerful remedy for the sins of
humanity, and this FIRE from GOD will work a great work on the
RAGING WAVES OF THE SEA, There is coming a great calm on all humanity

AND I SAW AS IT WERE A SEA OF GLASS MINGLED WITH FIRE ( the fire
of Gods spirit is a necessary part of the sea of glass)AND THEM THAT HAD
GOTTEN THE VICTORY OVER THE BEAST, AND OVER HIS IMAGE, AND
OVER HIS MARK, AND OVER THE NUMBER OF HIS NAME, SHALL STAND
ON THE SEA OF GLASS ( they too can now walk on water which is now
smooth and calm as glass) HAVING THE HARPS OF GOD (Rev 15:2)

All the RAGING FOAMING has been calmed SMOOTH AS GLASS, by the
fiery spirit of God. They now sing praises to God, symbolised by their harps
Jesus will yet calm the great sea of humanity. The sea will yet OBEY HIM.


Jesus is not only IN the lake of fire. HE IS THE LAKE OF FIRE.
He is the divinity of this spiritual fire.

Like Christ we too are raised with a SPIRITUAL BODY((Cor. 15:44)
We are in fact called (THE BODY OF CHRIST (Eph. 1:23)
We will literally BE LIKE HIM (Christ). (1 John 3:2)
God will make us into MINISTERS OF FLAMING FIRE( Psalm 104:4)
We too then will be like our God, A CONSUMING FIRE ( Heb. 12:29)
God promises that, THE SAINTS SHALL JUDGE THE WORLD....
AND WE SHALL JUDGE ANGELS (Cor 6:2-3)

God tells us where this judgment will take place.

.......THEY WERE JUDGED EVERYMAN ACCORDING TO THEIR WORKS,
WHOSOEVER WAS NOT FOUND WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF LIFE
WAS CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE (Rev. 20:13&15).

Therefore, we, the saints, the body of Christ, the consuming fire ministers
of God, the saviours of mount Zion, the manifested Sons and Daughters of
God, along with our Head, Jesus Christ also,
ARE THE LAKE OF FIRE.

THERE IS NO LITERAL LAKE, AND THERE IS NO LITERAL FIRE,
Jesus Christ and His Saints ARE THE LAKE OF JUDGING, PURIFYING
CONSUMING SPIRITUAL FIRE.

The lake of fire is a metaphor written in symbols that stand for what
is being symbolised, not the symbols themselves.
The lake of fire is composed of Jesus Christ the judge of the world,
Christs divine spiritual fire and brimstone, and the sons of God who
are the body of Christ who are also FLAMES OF FIRE (Heb 1:7)

And the whole world will be judged BY US. After death, all the dead
will be resurrected, they will all be judged, they will have to PASS
THROUGH US, WE will be their judge along with our Lord.

KNOW YE NOT THAT THE SAINTS WILL JUDGE THE WORLD

And so , the GREAT SEA OF HUMANITY, will be judged in the safety
and security of the. LAKE OF SAINTS.

WIth Love, Wnl
 
Member
The Bible is very clear about those who refuse to accept God's Son through whom He worked Redemption. It is also very clear that "hell & the lake of fire" awaits them whether they are alive or dead. But let's be clear about the difference between "hell & the lake of fire, Hades and and Gehenna." Most people think that they are synonyms for the word "hell" but in reality, they are separate and distinct. To understand the difference between the two, you need to understand that hell is not the final destination for those who have rejected God and His Son. Hell is a "temporary place" that was created and reserved for "the angels who left their first estate in heaven" (Jude 6). It also temporally houses those who have died apart from Christ as they await the Great Day when everyone will be judged. The "Lake of Fire" (Gehenna) is the final place of torment for those outside of Christ, The devil, the false prophet, the Beast, Death and even 'Hell" (Hades). It is written: "It is appointed to every man, once to die, and then the judgement" (Hebrews 9:27). They are NOT judged at the moment of death but await The Day of Judgement. Jesus said this: "Marvel not this: for the hour is coming, in which all that are in the graves shall hear His voice, and shall come forth, they that have done good, unto the Resurrection of Life and they that have done evil, unto the Resurrection of Damnation." (John 5:28-29) Jesus is talking the Day of judgement when all the spirits of men, whether living or dead... whether in hell or in Heaven will be summoned to be reconnected with their mortal bodies--whether alive or in the grave, to be judged. So those who will rise to the Resurrection of Damnation will be called out of hell, and reconnected with their worm-eaten bodies and be cast into the Lake of Fire (Rev. 20:11-15). Those who were dead "in Christ," whose names are written in the "Lamb's Book of Life" will be reconnected with their bodies along with those who are alive in Christ, both will receive glorified "immortal bodies" and live forevermore with Christ and will reign with Him. Please read: 1 Cor. 15:42-55. To sum it all up and answer the question: "Will people go to hell, what does the Bible say?" Yes, people will go to hell, but temporarily--The Lake of Fire is their final destination. This is a "Very Condensed Version" of the sequence of events to come in regard to hell & Gehenna. There is so much more. Please go through the Scriptures I have quoted. Read them and cross-reference them with other related Scriptures, God's own Holy Spirit will lead you and guide you into as truth as you are willing to seek after in this matter.

Hope this Helps,
In Christ,
Regenerated_1
 
Member
God says to evildoers ''away from me'' Luke 13:27. So God must create a place 'away from Him' for them to go. AKA Hell.

There are two opposing views that come to mind from recent discussions:

1. Annihilation. 2. Universalism

Annihilation is easily debunked once we have properly digested these three verses:

God is just Psalm 25:8. God rewards each according to what they have done Rom 2:6. Paul says we will judge angels 1 Cor 6:3.

Annihilationists like to think in absolutes. Those that are destroyed in hell are absolutely wicked. Those that go to heaven are perfect. This is just not so. 1 Pet 4:18 If there are righteous that are barely saved, there are wicked that are barely not saved. We will judge angels in heaven because angels in heaven are not perfect. We are also not perfect like God Mark 10:18, we are only perfect to God. A just judge does not dish out a lethal injection for every criminal. They dish out a sentence according to their actions. Likewise those who go to heaven get rewards according to what they did.

Universalism is debunked by considering a verse like 1 John 3:8 'the devil has been sinning since the beginning'. Or John 3:19 'they reject the light because they love the darkness'. There are many who never want to truly repent and turn from sin. Only God can discern this Jer 17:9-11. If it were up to us, universalism would definitely be on the cards. There is no Christian person with the mind of Christ that hates the wicked as they hate us. We should all want to try and rehabilitate and never stop trying. This is why I have a soft disagreement with universalists.
Why couldn't god all knowing all powerful and all wise simply take all unrepentantant sinners under his arm and re educate them as Jesus did with Saul? Pretty good point I just made there.... sorry for the lack of humility... I'm working on it.
 
Active
Why couldn't god all knowing all powerful and all wise simply take all unrepentantant sinners under his arm and re educate them as Jesus did with Saul? Pretty good point I just made there.... sorry for the lack of humility... I'm working on it.
Yes, brilliant point. Which is why scripture on eternal hell needs to be properly explained. Any 'good' person on this planet with a working brain will expect a universalism of sort / what you propose.

The explanation is that God does not make mistakes. God knows those that are sold out to sin. Never want to truly repent. He draws a line in the sand as only He can Jer 17:9-11.
 
Member
All sins are forgivable except for blasphemy.

Matthew 12:31-32 (MEV) "Therefore I say to you, all kinds of sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven men. Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven. But whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, neither in this world, nor in the world to come."
 

Similar threads


Top