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Why practice Christmas

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Does it say anywhere in the Bible that we are to practice Christmas or even mention the word Christmas?

To me Christmas is a joke to Christianity. I know it is meant to represent the birth of Christ but even Christians raise there kids to believe in santa claus and stress over holiday gifts. Alot of Christians follow these standards of Christmas that are of men and not the word. Why is this ok and widly excepted by Christians?

Did we twist Christmas to suite ourselfs? Are we really pleasing God by practicing the holiday season.
I have practiced Christmas all my life but this will only be my second Christmas as a Christian and it has really made me think of how we got to this point in what we follow and believe as Christians during Christmas.

On top of that December 25th is not even Jesus Christ birthday. December 25 was also considered to be the date of the winter solstice, which the Romans called bruma. It was therefore the day the Sun proved itself to be "unconquered" despite the shortening of daylight hours. (When Julius Caesar introduced the Julian Calendar in 45 BC, December 25 was approximately the date of the solstice. In modern times, the solstice falls on December 21 or 22.) The Sol Invictus festival has a "strong claim on the responsibility" for the date of Christmas, according to the Catholic Encyclopedia. Several early Christian writers connected the rebirth of the sun to the birth of Jesus. "O, how wonderfully acted Providence that on that day on which that Sun was born . . . Christ should be born," Cyprian wrote.

As Northern Europe was the last part to Christianize, its pagan celebrations had a major influence on Christmas.

Sextus Julius Africanus popularized the idea that Jesus was born on December 25 in his Chronographiai, a reference book for Christians written in 221 AD

Early Christians believed March 25 was also the date Jesus was crucified

The earliest reference to the celebration of Christmas is in the Calendar of Filocalus, an illuminated manuscript compiled in Rome in 354. In the east, meanwhile, Christians celebrated the birth of Jesus as part of Epiphany (January 6), although this festival focused on the baptism of Jesus.

Christmas was especially controversial in 4th century Constantinople, being the "fortress of Arianism," as Edward Gibbon described it. The feast disappeared after Gregory of Nazianzus resigned as bishop in 381, although it was reintroduced by Saint John Chrysostom in about 400.

Christmas was declared a U.S. federal holiday in 1870. Some considered the U.S. government's recognition of Christmas as a federal holiday to be a violation of the separation of church and state.

American conservative commentators such Bill O'Reilly, protested against the perceived secularization of Christmas. Some believed that the holiday was threatened by a general secular trend, or by persons and organizations with an anti-Christian agenda. The perceived trend was also blamed on political correctness.

The list goes on and on from country to country, so what are we to believe or to believe at all about Christmas. We are to be guided by the word but what does the word say about Christmas? If nothing then why Christmas.
It seems to many people had there beliefs put in to Christmas to the point where it is just tradition and not for God and thats what I believe it is.

Unless someone can provide me with scripture I dont believe I am wrong. I would love to know if there is any reference to Christmas in the Bible?
 
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Personally, the whole thing about Christmas to me is pagan.

There are some other threads here that may be able to help you or how you will see it.

http://www.talkjesus.com/lounge/10161-christmas-something-else.html

http://www.talkjesus.com/lounge/10192-christmas-explained.html

Seeing as 25 Dec was not his birthday and was day of worshipping the sun and this day was being celebrated even before Jesus was born, it makes me wonder and concerns me a lot. So I don't agree with that and don't celebrate it, it's become all too commercialised and lost the focus and money orientated.

God did not ask us to celebrate Jesus' birthday anyway, He was more concerned about Jesus' death. Jesus took all that pain on the cross for us, to wipe all our sins away.

So my Lord and saviour will be glorified daily, as with the Father.
 
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The Bible never says to celebrate Hannukah either but there is a passage where Jesus is celebrating it.

I think that as long as we are glorifying Jesus, bringing attention to the wonderful "gift" he gave, then he would be happy.
 
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The Bible never says to celebrate Hannukah either but there is a passage where Jesus is celebrating it.


So then why dont we celebrate Hannukah if Christ did? If we are supposed to be like Christ then we should do what Christ has done. Even still, at least Hannukah gets mentioned in the Bible, not Christmas.
 
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Personally, the whole thing about Christmas to me is pagan.

There are some other threads here that may be able to help you or how you will see it.

http://www.talkjesus.com/lounge/10161-christmas-something-else.html

http://www.talkjesus.com/lounge/10192-christmas-explained.html

Seeing as 25 Dec was not his birthday and was day of worshipping the sun and this day was being celebrated even before Jesus was born, it makes me wonder and concerns me a lot. So I don't agree with that and don't celebrate it, it's become all too commercialised and lost the focus and money orientated.

God did not ask us to celebrate Jesus' birthday anyway, He was more concerned about Jesus' death. Jesus took all that pain on the cross for us, to wipe all our sins away.

So my Lord and saviour will be glorified daily, as with the Father.


I agree with you Word Of Life, I dont think it is nessesary to practise Christmas, nor do I believe it is from God or Christ. From what I have read about the origins of Christmas and how it progressed to where it is today, it is obvious that it is of men. A celibration for us disguised in Christ name. Thats just the way I see it.
Follow the word only I guess. If its not in the Bible then what is to be said.

Thanks for the links also, I read them before and I still see things the same. Im not convinced.

God Bless!
 
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Interesting posts. I do not bother celebrating feasts or a feast with pagan origins.

The Bible says in Rom 14:4 & 5: Who are _you_, the one judging another's household servant? To his own master he stands or falls; but he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand. One indeed judges [or, considers] a day [to be] above [another] day, but another judges every day [to be alike]; be letting each be fully convinced in his own mind. (Analytical-Literal Translation)
 
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Welcome to the year 2006. Things change, people change and love grows cold as Scripture warns us will happen

Matthew 24:12
And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold.

Therefore, because of the above verse warning us, many fall astray from the Word of GOD and do their own thing. Thousands of religions later, we have what we see before our eyes today.

Conclusion: stick with the Holy Bible. That is mandatory. Everything else do if it lines up with Scripture and glorifies GOD. Do not do otherwise.

I believe that's as simplistic as I can put it honestly. If Christmas to you is not "ok", then don't celebrate it but do not judge others who do. I personally love Christmas WITH Jesus and its main purpose, celebrating the birth of our Savior. I don't like the glorifying Christmas gifts and Santa Claus. I don't like the idea of lying to our children about Santa Claus either. I do love the Christmas spirit, the family gathering and [usually] cozy Christmas. I ache for a white Christmas as well by the way :)

new justin...you asked for Scripture about Christmas but you made a lot of statements and claims without providing the source. You cannot post things here without providing source to prove your point. If it is a website, email or pm me the information but don't go just posting anything and assuming the audience reading it should believe your post.
 
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Welcome to the year 2006. Things change, people change and love grows cold as Scripture warns us will happen

Matthew 24:12
And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold.

Therefore, because of the above verse warning us, many fall astray from the Word of GOD and do their own thing. Thousands of religions later, we have what we see before our eyes today.

Conclusion: stick with the Holy Bible. That is mandatory. Everything else do if it lines up with Scripture and glorifies GOD. Do not do otherwise.

I believe that's as simplistic as I can put it honestly. If Christmas to you is not "ok", then don't celebrate it but do not judge others who do. I personally love Christmas WITH Jesus and its main purpose, celebrating the birth of our Savior. I don't like the glorifying Christmas gifts and Santa Claus. I don't like the idea of lying to our children about Santa Claus either. I do love the Christmas spirit, the family gathering and [usually] cozy Christmas. I ache for a white Christmas as well by the way :)

new justin...you asked for Scripture about Christmas but you made a lot of statements and claims without providing the source. You cannot post things here without providing source to prove your point. If it is a website, email or pm me the information but don't go just posting anything and assuming the audience reading it should believe your post.

I think I made it clear regardless of what people want to believe. If it is not in the Bible then why do we follow Christmas??
I was just telling it like it is, not judging. I dont care if people celebrate Christmas or not because it is not a sin to do so but it is not mandatory either.

If no one wants to believe what I have posted thats fine but then tell me why I am wrong. I dont see why I must email or pm you the info before I post something that you might not agree on. It is here to be debaited or agreed on. You dont agree so tell me why it is wrong??? Or am I only allowed to post things you agree with.

You are really good at using the Bible to your advantage but those scriptures dont apply here. How did I fall astray by asking questions and not agreeing with the origins of Christmas. Show me and tell me where in the Bible it says we should celebrate Christmas and I will rest my case.

I am a thinking person and will just not settle because.......No matter what anyone tells me. Only God knows my motives and my heart. If anything you are being judgeful of a person who does not agree with (Tradition).

My sources are from chat rooms, word of mouth, and Wikipedia. If you dont agree then tell me why.
 
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That attitude just got you banned. There is no reason for you to respond in a nasty manner and I never accused you of going "astray". This is not a debate forum and that is stated very clearly in the forum rules, which apparently you are too good to read and abide by. You are obligated to provide source because I do not allow any statements/claims to be posted without proof backing it up, whether you like that or not I could care less. Its not your site to make the rules. I expect only truth spoken here as GOD demands and expects, so will I.

Your sarcasm was clearly unwarranted. I do not appreciate your tone whatsoever, therefore your no longer welcomed here. If the Scripture does not apply in this case, thats just your opinion. You don't need to respond rudely. The fact that you claim anything about "Christmas being mandatory" is obviously a stupid statement. Where on earth did anyone come up to you and say it was mandatory? You are the one judging others by stating such and then like a hypocrite turn around and say you are not judging others for celebrating Christ and "its not a sin to do so". Mixed up thoughts?

Your sources are "chat rooms, word of mouth, Wikipedia"? That's plain pathetic and goes to show you that you obviously believe anything man tells you. My source is the Holy Bible. Consider that the source for all wisdom and Truth, not your "wikipedia" and other ridiculous sources.

Goodbye
 
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Seems that today we are overwhelmed with other ideas.

I recall reading in a history lesson, that old Rome collapsed even though the attack came from barbaric hordes who knew not how to fight. Rome collapsed, because the elite Romans of the day had forgotten what it was like to be Roman. (I forget the details) But the truth remains. They had forgotten the greatness, the discipline, the majesty, the ground-breaking inventiveness, the power, etc. the caused a 'Roman' to be respected worldwide.

Today we are in great danger of losing our Christianity identity, because we are forgetting what it was like to be a Christian Nation. Sixty years ago our Western Nations, and the individual people of such, were respected worldwide. Looking into history of the West any can discover that our foundations were Christian

The biblical story of the nativity is one that thrills, not only children but throughout the age spectrum. All are aware it is the wrong time of the year/day........pagan origins ect......What a shame that so many miss the point!

It is a time for people who know and love Jesus to let His Name be heard..........."HE shall be called Jesus".......why is this?? "because He shall save his people from their sins" Shout it from the house-tops.

On Christmas Day in the U.K. it has been made known that on one of the T.V. channels a Muslim Cleric will be giving an alternative message. Dear Lord I come against this pagan influence in your Almighty Name

Christianity is the only faith that offers Salvation. "Salvation is of the LOrd"

Let us rejoice in the fact that Jesus was born in Bethlehem. "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotton Son that who-soever believeth on Him should not perish......but have everlasting life". If you know Jesus then begin to rejoice at this season.

Rejoice in God.......There cannot be any alternative message, any more life giving message, any more delivering message, any more saving/healing message.
 
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Seems that today we are overwhelmed with other ideas.

I recall reading in a history lesson, that old Rome collapsed even though the attack came from barbaric hordes who knew not how to fight. Rome collapsed, because the elite Romans of the day had forgotten what it was like to be Roman. (I forget the details) But the truth remains. They had forgotten the greatness, the discipline, the majesty, the ground-breaking inventiveness, the power, etc. the caused a 'Roman' to be respected worldwide.

Today we are in great danger of losing our Christianity identity, because we are forgetting what it was like to be a Christian Nation. Sixty years ago our Western Nations, and the individual people of such, were respected worldwide. Looking into history of the West any can discover that our foundations were Christian

The biblical story of the nativity is one that thrills, not only children but throughout the age spectrum. All are aware it is the wrong time of the year/day........pagan origins ect......What a shame that so many miss the point!

It is a time for people who know and love Jesus to let His Name be heard..........."HE shall be called Jesus".......why is this?? "because He shall save his people from their sins" Shout it from the house-tops.

On Christmas Day in the U.K. it has been made known that on one of the T.V. channels a Muslim Cleric will be giving an alternative message. Dear Lord I come against this pagan influence in your Almighty Name

Christianity is the only faith that offers Salvation. "Salvation is of the LOrd"

Let us rejoice in the fact that Jesus was born in Bethlehem. "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotton Son that who-soever believeth on Him should not perish......but have everlasting life". If you know Jesus then begin to rejoice at this season.

Rejoice in God.......There cannot be any alternative message, any more life giving message, any more delivering message, any more saving/healing message.

Rom 14:4 One indeed judges [or, considers] a day [to be] above [another] day, but another judges every day [to be alike]; be letting each be fully convinced in his own mind. (Analytical-Literal Translation)
 
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Re: Why celebrate Christmas?

Most of the early converts to Christianity came from pagan cultures, but, using the dates of pagan festivals from those cultures as Christian festival dates does not make them pagan observances. We do not celebrate the sun god on December 25th. We celebrate the birth of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ on that day.

I agree that the Bible does not mandate celebrating Jesus' birth but, my goodness, why would celebration of Jesus' birth not be done? His birth is the most monumental event in history. If we love Him, it is only natural that we would want to celebrate His birth.


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It is untrue to say that all christians teach their children "santa", new justin. I have never for one day taught santa to my kids. I have many, many christian friends who are against santa, and use the Christmas season to focus on Christ, and the birth of Christ.
 
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Why celebrate???

I am doing research for my final in an English class. So I am just asking questions and not trying to offend anyone. I have been raised Christian and I just need some questions answered. I need objectiveness too if possible because I am writing an expository essay on religion.

My question about Christmas is this...

In the research I have been doing, I have found the dates that contradict a lot of things. Such as, if Christmas was made to celebrate Jesus' birth, then why has it changed so much? Back in 1492, Christmas was first celbrated on December 06. So when was Jesus really born?

Other questions about holidays are:

Why do the dates change on the religious holidays, yet Valentine's day is always February 14? How are the dates decided? (I've read that it always follows the equinox of the season and the moon.) If that is the case, why don't we do that for all the holidays? When did Christians start bringing the trees inside? :coocoo:
 
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