Why is this not being taught in Church?

[Bill]

It was because Jesus Christ is the Son of God -- that He Could become the perfect Lamb of God on the cross. That's why He came to this world in the 1st place. He came to Be our salvation.

And, yes, there was the attempt to add circumcision To the cross. But we do know that the blood of Christ shed on the cross was sufficient for our salvation. No good works on our part are needed.

What does " good works " mean ?

If faith alone is like a gong clanging in the wind , What then is needed

 

[Samson2020]

Tithing was tossed out 2,000 years ago. Hebrews 7:11-12 it talks about the priesthood being changed as the new high priest came out of the tribe of Judah,
of which the law never said anything about a priest coming out of Judah, therefore the Law was changed. It also says that there was a disannulling of the former because of the unprofitableness of the former. For the law made nothing perfect but the bringing in of a better hope did. Hebrews 7:18-19

The word of God is not limited to time but it must be rightly divided in that God being omnipresent speaks of future things as though they had already happened. There was an OLD and now there is a NEW testament. So we follow the new according to Faith, given as a gift of grace, and not the old which was by the Law for only one was ever able to live up to it, and in fulfilling it, destroyed the requirement of death for transgressions. And as God exists outside the bounds of time then time has no meaning except to us whose lives are bound by it.

A majority of the things that the organizational Churches practice as far as Old testament things are concerned would be what exactly other than the tithing thing? I have not seen anything other than that issue practiced or implied.

In closing I would ask that you expand your question as to "were they (what is they) only written for the Jews? And don't be shy this is how we can all learn.

 

[Samson2020]

Good works would be anything that we do that makes us see ourselves as worthy for justification unto life. It could be called self-righteousness. Our own works are seen as a filthy rag to God in comparison to the sacrifice of his own Son on our behalf. Hope that helps some.

Faith is all that is needed. And if one has Faith then one will do good works but not for salvations sake but just for the sake of others.

 

[Dave M]

Matthew 23:23
“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cumin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness. These you ought to have done, without neglecting the others.


We can clearly see in scripture Jesus says we ought to tithe, so no tithing is not tossed out IMO

 

[Samson2020]

And again the New covenant had not been established YET so those things were still in effect until the Priesthood changed. Read Hebrews 7:11-12.
And let me ask you this very important question. Who in this world claims to be a high priest that you should tithe to as though they were of Levitical descent?
And seeing that that priesthood was replaced why do you still adhere to it?

 

[Bill]

Good works would be anything that we do that makes us see ourselves as worthy for justification unto life. It could be called self-righteousness. Our own works are seen as a filthy rag to God in comparison to the sacrifice of his own Son on our behalf. Hope that helps some.

Faith is all that is needed. And if one has Faith then one will do good works but not for salvations sake but just for the sake of others.

Why does Paul refer to Faith alone is like a gong clanging in the wind.

Remember , you just stated Faith is all that is needed.

Also you contradict yourself on good works . If good works are self righteousness , why then would we try to be self righteous in having faith ?

What " good works " are , is Christ in you .

Through faith , you hve " knocked on the door , Jesus stands before you . But you must recive Him ( no one can go to the Father but threw me ) In recieving Christ , you live and Jesus lives in you .

As you live you will feel the movement of the Holy Spirit from within . You can take the Talents given you . and share with many . Where the Father in Heaven will love you more . But the one who have been given so much , recieving Christ , yet buries his Talents and refuses to follow the urgings of the Holy Spirit . That person will be considered worthless .

Judas was a good example of that . The Apostles were sent by Jesus into the towns . ( Judas Iscariot's name was listed among them ) After returning , the Apostles were all excited about what they had done . Jesus in return said , " rejoice that your names are written in heaven "

 

[Bill]

Matthew 23:23
“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cumin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness. These you ought to have done, without neglecting the others.


We can clearly see in scripture Jesus says we ought to tithe, so no tithing is not tossed out IMO

He makes a good challege Mr. Samson does . Do you think he will hear me

 

[rhern53]

Acts 15:5 "But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees, which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the LAW of Moses. And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter. And when there had been much disputing , Peter rose up , and said unto them, Men and Brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
And God , which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
NOW THEREFORE WHY TEMPT YE GOD TO PUT A YOKE UPON THE NECK OF THE DISCIPLES, WHICH NEITHER OUR FATHERS NOR WE WERE ABLE TO BEAR?
But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved , even as they."

This passage shows that even in the early days of the Church there were those who did believe but were still teaching that it was needful to keep the Law of Moses and we find that today in the preaching of tithes and Sabbath day observances, to those of us that are saved every day is a sabbath day spiritually speaking. They were of course in error. And I would make an assumption that it was much harder for them to enter into the grace they received because of their background, but God can easily make those he chooses understand the truth.
"If you continue in my word then you shall know the TRUTH and the truth shall set you free." For them freedom was also from the Law, and to the present day flesh Jew that is called it is a tradition that must be forsaken like all religious traditions that have nothing to do with grace.

As far as the circumcision goes it was only an outer physical forerunner of the circumcision of the heart. Just like water baptism is an outward forerunner of the Baptism in the Holy Ghost. Physical representations of the spiritual things to come.
Sue is correct in that he came to fulfill the Law that was the only way he could become an acceptable lamb for such a sacrifice.

Yes Peter reported the incident with Cornelius, But did they acknowledge the power of the Cross ,NO it was foolishness to them, they kept following thee Law.

It had been about 8 years since resurrection and Peter thought it was unlawful to associate with gentiles but He excepted Cornelius.
Acts 10:
28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation;

Approximately 14 years after the resurrection James 1/2 brother of Jesus was proud to tell Paul of the thousands of believers in Christ and that they were zealous for the Law.

They did under stand What Paul was teaching as Peter mentioned in 2nd.

Acts 21:
20 And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law:

2nd Peter 3:
15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

Thank you for your response

 

[Samson2020]

I said that if you try to replace the free gift of Faith with good works that is self righteousness. So no I did not contradict myself. And what I said was that If one had Faith then good works would follow but not for the sake of being self righteous but simply for the fulfilling of the needs of others. (LOVE) Which falls in line with what Paul was saying. We give freely as we have received.

 

[rhern53]

Were they only written for the Jews ? What about tithing ? What about many fundimental practices many churches use , all have come from old testiment teaching .

Let me ask you this . Is the Word of God limited to time ?

You ask good questions

The answer to the last question is yes there is a time limit. 7000 years, 6000 for man kind and 1000 the the Thousand Year Reign of Christ.

We are at the end of 6000 years. The world is becoming more corrupt, so the rapture could be any day. Only The Lord knows.

I will answer the rest of your questions soon. Blessings

 

[Samson2020]

The 2 Peter 3:16-18
Is going on continually from the first moment until this very day as the scriptures have been hidden from those who have not been allowed to see them spiritually, though they are right in front of them. They read them as a man would and make assumptions that are in line with the carnal mind that controls them and still demands that everyone that doesn't do or choose as they did deserves whatever they get. Therefore led and saved by SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS
which is the destruction spoken of in the 16th verse.
And in Acts Paul with stood Peter to his face because he was to be blamed over that very thing. Paul said your wrong Peter so stop it basically, and then in Acts 15 we see Peter making the statement that GOD makes NO distinction between the Jews and the gentiles. Showing us that Peter learned his lesson.

Glad you brought that 2 Peter verse out.

 

[Bill]

I said that if you try to replace the free gift of Faith with good works that is self righteousness. So no I did not contradict myself. And what I said was that If one had Faith then good works would follow but not for the sake of being self righteous but simply for the fulfilling of the needs of others. (LOVE) Which falls in line with what Paul was saying. We give freely as we have received.

Got it . I stand corrected

 

[Samson2020]

Don't know about you but I love to be challenged as it causes us to continue to learn and stand in defense of what we say. Quite invigorating. Hope you feel the same way and continue to speak your understanding.
God Bless!

 

[Bill]

You ask good questions

The answer to the last question is yes there is a time limit. 7000 years, 6000 for man kind and 1000 the the Thousand Year Reign of Christ.

We are at the end of 6000 years. The world is becoming more corrupt, so the rapture could be any day. Only The Lord knows.

I will answer the rest of your questions soon. Blessings

When i look at Scripture . I see it as Jesus . Because Jesus is the Word become flesh . And when i think of God . He has no beginning and no end . So that being said , The Scriptures, all of it , has no time time , at least in His teachings .

The Ten Commandments . No other God . I guarentee you , if you try to tell God that those commandments are obsolete , He will laugh . ( He does have a good sense of humor )

 

[Bill]

Don't know about you but I love to be challenged as it causes us to continue to learn and stand in defense of what we say. Quite invigorating. Hope you feel the same way and continue to speak your understanding.
God Bless!

Same here . Gods love is what i live for

 

[Sue D.]

How about the fact that the Ten Commandments have been replaced by Matthew 22:36 - 40 "Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?"

Jesus said to him, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind."

vs 39 "And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself."

vs 40 "On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

 

[rhern53]

Were they only written for the Jews ? What about tithing ? What about many fundimental practices many churches use , all have come from old testiment teaching .

You are correct God is not limited. He can see the beginning and the end in an instant when it comes to people.
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Jews:
In the 2nd coming, The Lord will be established as King of His Kingdom. The 12 apostles will judge the 12 tribes as Jesus told them Matthew 19:28

people will be call from all over the earth to come and worship the King Zechariah 14:16

Isaiah 2 King James Version (KJV)
1 The word that Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem.

2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.

3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.

Jeremiah 3:17 King James Version (KJV)
17 At that time they shall call Jerusalem the throne of the Lord; and all the nations shall be gathered unto it, to the name of the Lord, to Jerusalem: neither shall they walk any more after the imagination of their evil heart.

As for Christians, we are part of Body of Christ and He is the Head of the Body. Christian are not included with those of the circumcision.

Our destiny is Heaven to be co inheritors with Christ our Lord.

Tithing:
Tithing is Old Testament contributions to support those whose primary duty was to maintain the tabernacle and the temple.
The total responsibility was given to the Tribe of Levi.
It was considered a full time job therefore the remaining eleven tribes gave tithes to support them.

The Levitical priesthood began with Aaron, the older brother of Moses

Jesus is High Priest under Melchizedek. a Holy Priest and not from the human priesthood

Paul collected from christian gathering groups to send to Jerusalem to support the increasing number of believers.
James, 1/2 brother of Jesus was the leader of the Jews, believers in Christ in Jerusalem.

Romans 15:
25 But now I go unto Jerusalem to minister unto the saints.

26 For it hath pleased them of Macedonia and Achaia to make a certain contribution for the poor saints which are at Jerusalem.

27 It hath pleased them verily; and their debtors they are. For if the Gentiles have been made partakers of their spiritual things, their duty is also to minister unto them in carnal things.


The reason the Jewish group kept increasing in number with everyone selling everything they had, was because they believed the 2nd coming could be any day. The King of the Kingdom is coming.

Today, Preachers, the Seminary have been brain washed; they use tithing, like the Catholic Church to support their conglomeration.
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not Tithes but contributions
Romans 15:
25 But now I go unto Jerusalem to minister unto the saints.

26 For it hath pleased them of Macedonia and Achaia to make a certain contribution for the poor saints which are at Jerusalem.

27 It hath pleased them verily; and their debtors they are. For if the Gentiles have been made partakers of their spiritual things, their duty is also to minister unto them in carnal things.

1 Timothy 5:5 King James Version (KJV)
5 Now she that is a widow indeed, and desolate, trusteth in God, and continueth in supplications and prayers night and day.

But members should not be forced but they should give willingly, what ever they can, as they please, even 100%.

 

[Samson2020]

Indeed the entirety of the Law was simplified by those two commandments.

 

[spiriteddove05]

didn't mean to make this confusing

so are u born again of the spirit?

 

[spiriteddove05]

old testament they had 2 give at least 10% of wat they had or be cursed, now its give with a cheerful heart, no forcing!!