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Why Do People Believe In Eternal Security??

Misty_Rose

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If a person gets saved and the church
tells them now your eternally secure your
going to heaven no matter what you do,
you can never be lost....



Why read The Bible?

Why go to church?

Why do anything christian like?



I DON'T believe in this .





I believe being a christian is a PRESSING WAY...

not a slicky slide right into heaven.

It says WORK OUT your own soul salvation with fear ( reverence) and trembling..

If you cant ever be lost why work?

why read?

why go to church?

why study?

why try to be more Christ-like?

This has never made any Sense to me

Why do we need to be on our guard ??

the devil

is like a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour.

(IF YOU CAN'T EVER BE LOST WHO CARES ABOUT THE DEVIL)

just go to one of these Eternal Security churches, get saved, and go lay down by the sea shore...and forget it all....



It's Wrong!

My Question:

Why do people believe in this ??
 
Wait for it.

You will get other responses.

There are at least two views on eternal security.

I am no theologian.

Brief answer:

1) "Once saved always saved." This is the view point
of the Augustine-Calvin tradition.
God has chosen them, God is soveriegn, nothing can prevent
them from reaching heaven. They are in fact predestined.
How does God chose, this is a divine mystery. Romans 8:29-30,
Ephesians 1, etc. Perfect security.

2) Man has freewill, man chooses Christ under preveniant grace.
This was the view of a Dutch theologian Arminian. I think Baptists and Methodists are within this theology. I could be wrong here.
Eternal security dependent on following Christ.

Note: Each of the above have traditional thru non-traditional
denominations. So there are many variations in each.

Personal opinion, "The Holy Spirit convicts the World of Sin, Righteousness and Judgement", you either respond to the conviction or resist. In Christ you are chosen. Christ has the supreme position.
God acted in Love, He is gentle, compassionate and caring. If you follow Jesus, nothing can seperate you from Him.

You will hear from others Misty Rose.
 
If a person gets saved and the church
tells them now your eternally secure your
going to heaven no matter what you do,
you can never be lost....



Why read The Bible?

Why go to church?

Why do anything christian like?



I DON'T believe in this .

I believe being a christian is a PRESSING WAY...

not a slicky slide right into heaven.

It says WORK OUT your own soul salvation with fear ( reverence) and trembling..

If you cant ever be lost why work?

why read?

why go to church?

why study?

why try to be more Christ-like?

This has never made any Sense to me

Why do we need to be on our guard ??

the devil

is like a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour.

(IF YOU CAN'T EVER BE LOST WHO CARES ABOUT THE DEVIL)

just go to one of these Eternal Security churches, get saved, and go lay down by the sea shore...and forget it all....



It's Wrong!

My Question:

Why do people believe in this ??

'Misty Rose' A lovely pseudonym from a lovely lady.....Surely.

I hear you dear lady. A good question from a lady Jesus loves. A lady loved by Jesus as much as I am....

And I respond by suggesting that you continue to follow Jesus. To do this you will be blessed.

He has promised "I will never leave nor forsake you" You and I together are includede in His words.

Thank you Jesus is my prayer....for you and I together, as we seek to follow Him.
 
I want concrete evidence

Eternal Security
Still not clear on it though
But i will tell you this ...
I've been a christian for over 20 years
and I have never even thought about backsliding or felt like I could actually do it.:disagree:

But i still CAN'T go around and tell people they can't never backslide once they are saved.

CAN'T DO IT!!!

I simply don't have enough Bible Verses to make that assumption.

To me it seems like a cop out.

I mean, There's this certain group of so-called Christians who claim they can heel people. But then when the person stays sick after they have had hands laid on or whatever, Those so-called Christians claim they didn't have enough faith is why they are still sick. (cop-out to cover there butts).:suspicious:
Eternal Security seems the same way:
when someone gets saved and then later on backslides THOSE ETERNAL SECURITY BELIEVERS simply say, "Well, They Never Got Saved In The First Place."
That's seems like a cop out to me.:suspicious:
I don't go for that.
 
I've always been taught once saved always saved but that does not mean that our actions do not matter. None of us will ever be perfect because there was only one perfect one and none of us can be pure enough for Heaven on our own because of our corrupt nature that battles with our spiritual nature:

Romans 8:3 It is impossible to do what God's standards demand because of the weakness our human nature has.

Galatians 5:17 What your corrupt nature wants is contrary to what your spiritual nature wants, and what your spiritual nature wants is contrary to what your corrupt nature wants. They are opposed to each other. As a result you don't always do what you intent to do.

That is why Jesus' sacrifice was necessary and such an amazing gift because he bridges the divide between man and God. I think people believe once saved always saved because of

Romans 10:9-10 If you declare that Jesus is Lord, and believe that God brought him back to life, you will be saved. By believing you receive God's approval, and by declaring your faith you are saved.

So at the foundation of our Christianity is first and foremost our faith and belief in Jesus Christ dying for our sins. Our actions do matter though, and I believe each person will be judged for what he has done but that even if we fall short or way short that through our foundation of faith in Jesus Christ we will still be saved.

1 Corinthians 3: 10-14 As a skilled and experienced builder, I used the gift that God gave me to lay the foundation for that building. However, someone else is building on it. Each person must be careful how he builds on it. After all, no one can lay any other foundation than the one that is already laid, and that foundation is Jesus Christ. People may build on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, or straw. The day will make what each one does clearly visible because fire will reveal it. That fire will determine what kind of work each person has done. If what a person has built survives he will receive a reward. If his work is burned up he will suffer the loss. However, he will be saved, though it will be like going through a fire.

Galatians 6:7-9 Make no mistake about this: You can never make a fool out of God. Whatever you plant is what you'll harvest. If you plant in the soil of your corrupt nature, you will harvest destruction. But if you plant in the soil of your spiritual nature, you will harvest everlasting life at the proper time, if we don't give up.

I'll be honest that I don't know how to exactly interpret those passages but I think what it is saying is that you will reap what you sow but that if you have a foundation in Jesus no matter what you will be saved. I'm interested if anyone else has a different interpretation.

I've discussed with my friend about salvation, faith and works and we've agreed that it is through faith alone that we are saved but also isn't faith without works dead? If anyone can clear this up I would be welcome to hear what they have to say.

James 2:14 My brothers and sisters, what good does it do if someone claims to have faith but doesn't do any good things? Can this kind of faith save him? Supppose a believer, wheter a man or a woman, needs clothes or food and one of you tells that person. God be with you! Stay warm, and make sure you eat enough. If you don't provide for that person's physical needs, what good does it do? In the same way, faith by itself is dead if it doesn't cause you to do any good things.

James 2:22-23 You see that Abraham's faith and what he did worked together. His faith was shown to be genuine by what he did.

So I think the message is that we should certainly be pursuing good works but I'm still not sure the effect this has on our salvation. Sorry if I added to your confusion but I'm also interested in hearing what people have to say.
 
Sorry I just realized a recent previous post "once saved always saved?..." answers a lot of my questions but still feel free to respond.
 
Yes i just seen that post as well ( Once Saved Always Saved)
I didn't see it yesterday or i would have went there instead.:embarasse

I realize this is a topic which probably will not be resolved

Eternal Security Believes have verses in The Bible they say supports what they believe.

And people who don't believe this way, also have verses to support our claim as well.

I know the truth in in The Word.
and it's there we just got to rightly divide it.

I just wish we (christians) didn't have this difference of interpetation
we need to bridge the gap and come together as One...:friends:
The Bride of Christ.
 
I definitely agree with you Misty_Rose. I wish we as Christians were more of one mind when it comes to scripture. The Word is perfect and us as humans interpreting it definitely have our imperfections so we are bound to disagree (and we can only pray for God's wisdom to help us out). I just tell myself that if you believe that Jesus died on the cross for our sins, then you are a believer like me, and I'll love you as my brother/sister in Christ.
 
I agree.

Remember that we have a commom foundation.

Jesus Christ died for us.

Jesus Christ was sent from all eternity to save each one of you.

Jesus Christ is love, pure love.

We are the elect from all eternity.

All Christians are in unaminous agreement on the above.

Do not worry about this "eternal security" debate.

The thief on the cross did not have to be concerned.

Salvation is found only in Jesus Christ.
 
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