Who will populate the earth in the 1000 year Reign

[Samson2020]

All that I can add is that it refers to the DAY OF THE LORD twice. Makes it obvious this is in the future. Babylon is the great ***** the mother of all harlots (false religion) it is she that will not be inhabited because the kingdom of Jesus is on the earth ,along with his joint heirs, and in the face of all who survive.

 

[rhern53]

All that I can add is that it refers to the DAY OF THE LORD twice. Makes it obvious this is in the future. Babylon is the great ***** the mother of all harlots (false religion) it is she that will not be inhabited because the kingdom of Jesus is on the earth ,along with his joint heirs, and in the face of all who survive.

It would be good to include references with your comment so I won't have to go back for more detail.

this was you post:
Samson2020
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Look at Rev 20 then tell me how if a man is as precious as fine gold (Isaiah 13) because of the amount of them,
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from me:
Isaiah 13:6 Howl ye; for the day of the Lord is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.

:9 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

Rev. 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Is this what you are talking about?

 

[Samson2020]

Not exactly. The discussion was about flesh Jews living in the kingdom and new births taking place of humans within the 1000 yr reign.
Isaiah 13 we see that this chapter talks about the future, DAY OF THE LORD, his coming back and what takes place. Then in 13:12 I will make a man more precious than fine gold........ meaning there will be very few people that live through this. You commented that this could already have happened because of it speaking of Babylon in Isaiah 13:19 but that is speaking to Babylon not being inhabited (the beauty of the Chaldees' excellency) Babylon from Revelation we know is false religion spoken of in physical terms, as Babylon was the destroyer of Gods chosen people in the physical and now in the spiritual as well.
If we go back to Isaiah 13:3 "I have commanded my SANCTIFIED ONES, I have also called my mighty ones for mine anger, even them that rejoice in my highness." This verse speaks to the 144,000 group that will sweep the earth clean of almost all human life left after the wars and pestilence etc... leaving only a few humans alive that are not born again. My guess would be they simply did not take the mark so they were passed over or spared for the repopulation of earth. It would be hard to hold a Feast of Tabernacles if no people were on the earth to make that happen? My other reference, of many, MIcah 4:1-2, then
Micah 4:7-8 And I will make her that halted a (remnant), and her that was cast afar off a strong nation; and the Lord shall reign over them in Mt ZION from henceforth, even forever. And thou O tower of the flock, the stronghold of the daughter of Zion, unto thee shall it come, EVEN THE FIRST DOMINION; the
KINGDOM SHALL COME TO THE DAUGHTER OF JERUSALEM."
I hope that clarifies that there will be few left after the DAY OF THE LORD COMES. That are simply humans not born again believers.

So we move to REV 20:7-8 "And when the 1,000 yrs are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: THE NUMBER OF WHOM IS AS THE SAND OF THE SEA."
This shows a remnant left after the DAY OF THE LORD and after 1000 yrs a number of humans that are counted as the sand of the sea, a multitude.
Proving there will have to be human births during the Kingdom Reign.

And notice if you will, and this is deep stuff, that the daughter of Jerusalem is to have the FIRST DOMINION. How many dominions will there be. It's a clue.

 

[rhern53]

Not exactly. The discussion was about flesh Jews living in the kingdom and new births taking place of humans within the 1000 yr reign.
Isaiah 13 we see that this chapter talks about the future, DAY OF THE LORD, his coming back and what takes place. Then in 13:12 I will make a man more precious than fine gold........ meaning there will be very few people that live through this. You commented that this could already have happened because of it speaking of Babylon in Isaiah 13:19 but that is speaking to Babylon not being inhabited (the beauty of the Chaldees' excellency) Babylon from Revelation we know is false religion spoken of in physical terms, as Babylon was the destroyer of Gods chosen people in the physical and now in the spiritual as well.
If we go back to Isaiah 13:3 "I have commanded my SANCTIFIED ONES, I have also called my mighty ones for mine anger, even them that rejoice in my highness." This verse speaks to the 144,000 group that will sweep the earth clean of almost all human life left after the wars and pestilence etc... leaving only a few humans alive that are not born again. My guess would be they simply did not take the mark so they were passed over or spared for the repopulation of earth. It would be hard to hold a Feast of Tabernacles if no people were on the earth to make that happen? My other reference, of many, MIcah 4:1-2, then
Micah 4:7-8 And I will make her that halted a (remnant), and her that was cast afar off a strong nation; and the Lord shall reign over them in Mt ZION from henceforth, even forever. And thou O tower of the flock, the stronghold of the daughter of Zion, unto thee shall it come, EVEN THE FIRST DOMINION; the
KINGDOM SHALL COME TO THE DAUGHTER OF JERUSALEM."
I hope that clarifies that there will be few left after the DAY OF THE LORD COMES. That are simply humans not born again believers.

So we move to REV 20:7-8 "And when the 1,000 yrs are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: THE NUMBER OF WHOM IS AS THE SAND OF THE SEA."
This shows a remnant left after the DAY OF THE LORD and after 1000 yrs a number of humans that are counted as the sand of the sea, a multitude.
Proving there will have to be human births during the Kingdom Reign.

And notice if you will, and this is deep stuff, that the daughter of Jerusalem is to have the FIRST DOMINION. How many dominions will there be. It's a clue.

as far as new birth, I can't tell you what I don't find in scripture

To tell you this is true would be my opinion.

Any thing that is speculated about scripture is what it is. speculation.

The ideal way to find is to find scripture verse to prove a theory.

I will show you a couple of things that I have found.

Luke 22:30 King James Version (KJV)
30 That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Ezekiel 37:12-14 New King James Version (NKJV)
12 Therefore prophesy and say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “Behold, O My people, I will open your graves and cause you to come up from your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel. 13 Then you shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O My people, and brought you up from your graves. 14 I will put My Spirit in you, and you shall live, and I will place you in your own land. Then you shall know that I, the Lord, have spoken it and performed it,” says the Lord.’ ”

 

[Samson2020]

Luke is for those who partake in the First resurrection.
Ezekiel is for those who partake in the second or third death. And yes I know the bible does not speak of certain things past where God wants us to know but he does leave clues.

So let me ask you this. Does God leave a multitude of humans like the sand of the sea, not born again, alive as of the beginning of the Kingdom reign who live for 1000 years only to be destroyed at the end? It sure doesn't sound like it in Isaiah or in Revelation. And to add to that the people that are left alive have the knowledge of good and evil so their life span cannot exceed 1000 years. Or one day Gods time.

 

[rhern53]

Luke is for those who partake in the First resurrection.
Ezekiel is for those who partake in the second or third death. And yes I know the bible does not speak of certain things past where God wants us to know but he does leave clues.

So let me ask you this. Does God leave a multitude of humans like the sand of the sea, not born again, alive as of the beginning of the Kingdom reign who live for 1000 years only to be destroyed at the end? It sure doesn't sound like it in Isaiah or in Revelation. And to add to that the people that are left alive have the knowledge of good and evil so their life span cannot exceed 1000 years. Or one day Gods time.

Do I need to search for these scripture I have very little to work with.

you know what your talking about but I'm not a good mind reader

If you copy and paste the verse before or after you comment it will help significantly.

 

[Samson2020]

The Luke and Ezekiel verses I was referring to were the ones you posted.
The rest was simple reasoning. God said that if Adam were to partake of the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil in that DAY he would surely die.
Day=1000yrs with God. And I referenced those who were left alive after the Isaiah 13 chapter couldn't make it a thousand yrs because they had partaken of the same fruit; therefore their lifespan would be less than the 1000 yr reign. So there would have to be new births or there would never be a multitude like the sand of the sea as mentioned in Revelation 20:7-8.

Isaiah 1:18 "Come now, and let us REASON together, saith the Lord:......."

It's not all black and white or red and white. It's spiritually discerned. Thus the reasoning together.

 

[rhern53]

The Luke and Ezekiel verses I was referring to were the ones you posted.
The rest was simple reasoning. God said that if Adam were to partake of the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil in that DAY he would surely die.
Day=1000yrs with God. And I referenced those who were left alive after the Isaiah 13 chapter couldn't make it a thousand yrs because they had partaken of the same fruit; therefore their lifespan would be less than the 1000 yr reign. So there would have to be new births or there would never be a multitude like the sand of the sea as mentioned in Revelation 20:7-8.

Isaiah 1:18 "Come now, and let us REASON together, saith the Lord:......."

It's not all black and white or red and white. It's spiritually discerned. Thus the reasoning together.

I don't believe God would want us to try to figure out unless we take it out of scripture.

The answers are in the uncorrupted Bible.

Everything we need to know is in this book.

But there are something that will remain a mystery.

 

[Samson2020]

I'm only quoting the verse. He uses several verses strung together from different sections to make his point if it's something hidden.

 

[rhern53]

I'm only quoting the verse. He uses several verses strung together from different sections to make his point if it's something hidden.

I'm only quoting the verse. He uses several verses strung together from different sections to make his point if it's something hidden.

All I'm saying is if we are guessing what the outcome will be like are there going to be new births, it is better to use passages or have passage backup, other wise we could be barking up a tree

Remember every word in the bible is important unless it's corrupt. Jesus mentions every jot and tittle

 

[Samson2020]

Ok then, can you give me a better explanation than the one I provided you? I used a lot of scripture to support it but agreed it never says there will be begetting going on, but it also doesn't say there won't.
And in reality i've spent too much time trying to explain this so i'm done with that.

 

[rhern53]

Ok then, can you give me a better explanation than the one I provided you? I used a lot of scripture to support it but agreed it never says there will be begetting going on, but it also doesn't say there won't.
And in reality i've spent too much time trying to explain this so i'm done with that.

the only thing I have is raising the dead in EZE. 37

But think how many die believing in a creator in addition to the Jews for 6000 years

it would be like and ocean of people

 

[Samson2020]

But the second resurrection doesn't occur until after the 1000yr reign. And after the battle of Armageddon. So it can't be the dead.

 

[rhern53]

But the second resurrection doesn't occur until after the 1000yr reign. And after the battle of Armageddon. So it can't be the dead.

they are not dead when God give them life

Jesus raise Lazarus but he die again

raising from the dead and resurrection may not be the same

in a resurrection you get an incorruptible body according to Paul

in Zechariah 14 people are put to death

 

[Samson2020]

In that scenario all those who are resurrected fight against the Lord and his Kingdom and are devoured by heavenly fire. So you'd be resurrecting only to destroy again then resurrect again before the great throne judgement.
Doesn't really fit.

 

[rhern53]

In that scenario all those who are resurrected fight against the Lord and his Kingdom and are devoured by heavenly fire. So you'd be resurrecting only to destroy again then resurrect again before the great throne judgement.
Doesn't really fit.

Daniel 12 King James Version (KJV)
12 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

 

[Samson2020]

If I examine Matthew 24:21-22 "For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened there should NO FLESH BE SAVED: but for the elects sake those days shall be shortened."
Now add Matt 24:29-31 Immediately AFTER THE TRIBULATION OF THOSE DAYS shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and
the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven; and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn,and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
So here we have a picture of Immediately AFTER the TRIBULATION.
Now in Daniel 11 the last few verses paints a picture of the Antichrist coming into full power. (So a picture immediately before the tribulation)
So Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince that standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such
as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2- And many of them that sleep in the dust of the Earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

I'm gonna assume there is no large time lapse between verse 1 and 2.
Ok then Daniel 12:1 confirms that the tribulation starts at this time in Dan 12:1, Here is the tough part in 12-1 where it is written that thy people
"shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book" I think we can agree that the book is the Lambs book of Life. YES? now hold on, because this is where the destruction of the carnal mind occurs for them (the living) 12:1. In 12-2 it says that there be some who are raised (of the dead) to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. These few could only be raised if they were at the least called but not yet complete in the destroying of the carnal mind. The WISE ONES that did complete the program, if you will, shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever. The unwise ones will see the difference between them and the wise and now abhor themselves because they got sidetracked in the process by the world. So I'm gonna say that these who are raised from the dead are only, at a minimum, those that had been called.
I do not see a large number of these people here because they are a group that knew, and that has always been a small flock. And as this raising from the dead is at the beginning of the tribulation, it is not the great gathering of the elect that occurs AFTER THE TRIBULATION. Although some of these indeed could be part of that group by the end of the tribulation period.

There isn't enough to go any further here. Were limited by lack of scripture, or the finding of the right ones to tie it together.

 

[rhern53]

If I examine Matthew 24:21-22 "For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened there should NO FLESH BE SAVED: but for the elects sake those days shall be shortened."
Now add Matt 24:29-31 Immediately AFTER THE TRIBULATION OF THOSE DAYS shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and
the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven; and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn,and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
So here we have a picture of Immediately AFTER the TRIBULATION.
Now in Daniel 11 the last few verses paints a picture of the Antichrist coming into full power. (So a picture immediately before the tribulation)
So Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince that standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such
as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2- And many of them that sleep in the dust of the Earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

I'm gonna assume there is no large time lapse between verse 1 and 2.
Ok then Daniel 12:1 confirms that the tribulation starts at this time in Dan 12:1, Here is the tough part in 12-1 where it is written that thy people
"shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book" I think we can agree that the book is the Lambs book of Life. YES? now hold on, because this is where the destruction of the carnal mind occurs for them (the living) 12:1. In 12-2 it says that there be some who are raised (of the dead) to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. These few could only be raised if they were at the least called but not yet complete in the destroying of the carnal mind. The WISE ONES that did complete the program, if you will, shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever. The unwise ones will see the difference between them and the wise and now abhor themselves because they got sidetracked in the process by the world. So I'm gonna say that these who are raised from the dead are only, at a minimum, those that had been called.
I do not see a large number of these people here because they are a group that knew, and that has always been a small flock. And as this raising from the dead is at the beginning of the tribulation, it is not the great gathering of the elect that occurs AFTER THE TRIBULATION. Although some of these indeed could be part of that group by the end of the tribulation period.

There isn't enough to go any further here. Were limited by lack of scripture, or the finding of the right ones to tie it together.

The anti christ:

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

 

[KingJ]

The 2nd Coming, The return of Christ begins a new era.

Who will populate the earth. and how will this happen.

Well I don't think many actually apply their minds to this. We just need to use some common sense and look at the facts.

Fact 1 There will be no wicked people left from the tribulation. The plagues from God and Jesus's return will deal with all the wicked.
Fact 2 No adult that survives the tribulation after having rejected the mark of the beast will be denied heaven / reigning with Jesus.
Fact 3 God is impartial and all children grow up. There will be no children in heaven reigning with Jesus for eternity.

When we combine these facts the following is rather crystal clear....

All children and mentally handicapped that never got a fair and equal opportunity to be tested will live in the millennium.

As the purpose of the millennium is to have people tested once more Rev 20:3.

Why would God test people who have already been tested? He won't. Hence the thousand years on earth will be a time for all those that have not yet been tested.

 

[rhern53]

Well I don't think many actually apply their minds to this. We just need to use some common sense and look at the facts.

Fact 1 There will be no wicked people left from the tribulation. The plagues from God and Jesus's return will deal with all the wicked.
Fact 2 No adult that survives the tribulation after having rejected the mark of the beast will be denied heaven / reigning with Jesus.
Fact 3 God is impartial and all children grow up. There will be no children in heaven reigning with Jesus for eternity.

When we combine these facts the following is rather crystal clear....

All children and mentally handicapped that never got a fair and equal opportunity to be tested will live in the millennium.

As the purpose of the millennium is to have people tested once more Rev 20:3.

Why would God test people who have already been tested? He won't. Hence the thousand years on earth will be a time for all those that have not yet been tested.

You are making a lot of sense. I can mostly agree with you.

I say mostly because of the unknown.