Who was Jesus praying to?

[Daring]

They are not the same person. They are one God.

Do you have a family? It's one family, not multiple families. Do you talk to people in your family?
God can talk to God. The Father and Son aren't the same person. They are the same God.

"God" is not a Family.
He's an individual- not a "They".

 

[Christ4Ever]

So was Christ praying to Both God (or whatever) at the same time?

Seems a conundrum, until you understand that Jesus knew each person of the Godhead since the beginning of time, and that He in communicating with them was no different than when in the OT He did so as well. Unless you don't believe in Christophanies of His appearances therein. Even if you don't it still, doesn't change why He in His human manifestation would do so in NT.

 

[Curtis]

Who was God speaking to here?

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:

 

[Daring]

Who was God speaking to here?

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:

Job 38:4- Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth?
Tell me, if you have understanding.
5- Who determined its measurements—surely you know!
Or who stretched the line upon it?
6- On what were its bases sunk,
or who laid its cornerstone,
7- when the morning stars sang together,
and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

 

[Curtis]

Job 38:4- Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth?
Tell me, if you have understanding.
5- Who determined its measurements—surely you know!
Or who stretched the line upon it?
6- On what were its bases sunk,
or who laid its cornerstone,
7- when the morning stars sang together,
and all the sons of Gothing.d shouted for joy?

God was speaking to Job here, not angels; besides, angels can not create anything

 

[B-A-C]

"God" is not a Family.
He's an individual- not a "They".

When I used "family" that was only an example. A single bicycle has three wheels, a single government has 3 branches (executive, judiciary,legislative)A single family has 3 (or more) people.. a father, a mother, and a daughter). A single egg has a sheel, yolk, and egg-white.

A single God, has three persons. (I'm not saying God is a tricycle or an egg, these are just similar examples of 3 things being one thing).

John 1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. 5 The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.

Jesus is God, and Jesus is "with" God. You are family, and you can be "with" family.

Hebrews1
8 But of the Son He says,
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever,
And the righteous scepter is the scepter of [h]His kingdom.
9 “You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness above Your companions.”

 

[B-A-C]

There is a hierarchy within the One God.

Jesus Submitting to the Father
This shows functional subordination, not inferiority in nature:

John 5:19 – “The Son can do nothing of Himself, unless it is something He sees the Father doing…”
John 6:38 – “For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me.”
1 Corinthians 11:3 – “The head of Christ is God.”
Philippians 2:6–8 – Though Jesus was in the form of God, He “emptied Himself” and took the form of a servant.
The Holy Spirit Sent by the Son (and the Father)
This suggests the Spirit proceeds in mission from both:

John 15:26 – “When the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, that is the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify about Me.”
John 16:13–14 – “He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak… He will glorify Me.”
Summary: Hierarchy in Role, Not in Essence
Ontological equality: All three Persons are fully and equally God.
Economic hierarchy: The Son submits to the Father, and the Spirit proceeds from the Father (and the Son, in Western theology).
This view is held by many in the historic orthodox tradition, including the Nicene Creed, which affirms the Son as “begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father” and the Spirit as “proceeding from the Father [and the Son].”

How many god(s) do you believe there are?

 

[Daring]

God was speaking to Job here, not angels; besides, angels can not create anything

Oh, I see!
They just stand around as the Trinity works!

 

[Daring]

When I used "family" that was only an example. A single bicycle has three wheels, a single government has 3 branches (executive, judiciary,legislative)A single family has 3 (or more) people.. a father, a mother, and a daughter). A single egg has a sheel, yolk, and egg-white.

A single God, has three persons. (I'm not saying God is a tricycle or an egg, these are just similar examples of 3 things being one thing).

John 1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. 5 The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.

Jesus is God, and Jesus is "with" God. You are family, and you can be "with" family.

Hebrews1
8 But of the Son He says,
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever,
And the righteous scepter is the scepter of [h]His kingdom.
9 “You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness above Your companions.”

Tricks of translators.
You don't believe in Christ, himself who said ?~

John 17:3- And this is eternal life, that they know thee the ONLY true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.

 

[B-A-C]

Tricks of translators.

I notice whenever the Bible disagrees with peoples doctrines, it's always the Bible that's wrong. Funny how that works...

"Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, 'Did God really say, "You must not eat from any tree in the garden"?'"

...did God really say that? Does the Bible really say that? Oldest trick in the book.. literally.

 

[Daring]

I notice whenever the Bible disagrees with peoples doctrines, it's always the Bible that's wrong. Funny how that works...

"Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, 'Did God really say, "You must not eat from any tree in the garden"?'"

...did God really say that? Does the Bible really say that? Oldest trick in the book.. literally.

Mistranslation.

 

[Daring]

Tricks of translators.
You don't believe in Christ, himself who said ?~

John 17:3- And this is eternal life, that they know thee the ONLY true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.

Same thing in EVERY Bible ANYWHERE!

 

[Curtis]

Same thing in EVERY Bible ANYWHERE!

The same with this scripture.

1Jn 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

 

[Daring]

The same with this scripture.

1Jn 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

You're JOKING, right?

 

[Curtis]

Jhn 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

Jhn 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Jhn 10:31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
Jhn 10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
Jhn 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

Very simple is if you do not believe Jesus to be God you will die in your sins.

 

[Daring]

Jhn 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

Jhn 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Jhn 10:31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
Jhn 10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
Jhn 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

Very simple is if you do not believe Jesus to be God you will die in your sins.

My, I thought you church people were PAST using those tricks!

 

[Curtis]

Only those who belong to a cult do not believe Jesus to be God. It is the very foundation of Christianity that Jesus is God, anything else is not Christian.

 

[Daring]

Jesus FLAT-OUT identified who God is- and church-goers try to use mistranslations of others, instead of taking his word!

 

[Daring]

"Foundation"?
Hee-hee!

 

[Christ4Ever]

Tricks of translators.
You don't believe in Christ, himself who said ?~

John 17:3- And this is eternal life, that they know thee the ONLY true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.

Oh, I believe what He said, and He said what is quoted even in the Greek. It no way takes away from the Trinity.
You and I agree that there is only One God. You just think that if I were to say God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit, that it means three Gods, while I believe there is only One God, in the three persons.

Now you have reasons why you won't see it that way, while I understand your confusion why I do not. Let me explain. I was where you were at in not commiting to the Trinity, however I was different in the sense that I would not say it was wrong. So, I guess you can say, I was uncomitted/fence sitting on either saying the Trinity was right or wrong. I accepted I did not understand it and so could not say either way.

So, that you might understand where I'm coming from and unless you come over to my side, we will not agree. In not understanding it, I knew that God would make Himself understood, even to this simple man, if I stopped trying to force it, and leave it up to Him/Holy Spirit to provide understanding. You can believe the following or not, for I do and for me that's all that is important. I was researching something unrelated to the Trinity or God subject in Scripture, when I heard, whether auditory or within my mind I can't say, but it was one word: "Hierarchy". It stopped me in my tracks, and I said "huh?". Repeated it was: "Hierarchy", and then a lot of tumblers like in a safe when you're putting in the correct combo, it all clicked, and I knew what it correlated to. Yep, you got it, the Trinity! It all made sense then. Whatever I was researching, I completely forgot about, and starting to run it through all the scripture verses I knew, and that others on both sides/all sides started to toss around to support their position; and guess what. It made sense and being that our God is reason, I smiled and accepted it.

See brother, I had never thought or read about this "Hierarchy" as it pertains to the Godhead before. I also, didn't go looking to see if others had this concept as well. At least not until this past year, when I actually looked for another member asking questions, and yes; others do understand this as well, at least as it pertains to the Godhead, and the Trinity. Not that I needed their confirmation. For when the Holy Spirit communicates something to you, well, you either believe it or you don't, but if you don't eventually, you find after some pain/shame, that you should have, because it was the truth being shown to you. Think of it along the lines, that is how martyrs are made. Not that I consider myself one, just using it as an example of what it means to me. Anyway, a martyr is told that they can escape pain/death, if they were to recant, but guess what? They don't. Why? Because they know the truth of what they believe, no matter the rebuttals or consequences presented/done to them.

Now I'm sure you might have a similar testimony for why you believe as you believe. I can't say it's not valid to you, and I would not shame you to say that it has no importance to you either, because I'm sure it does. It just won't change what I experienced and now see in scripture through what "Hierarchy" shows, that makes the Trinity right/true. The experience, just like being drawn by the Holy Spirit years ago to my knees in a little Baptist Church in Germany, in being received by my Lord and my Savior Jesus. You're welcome to read my bio for my testimony, but like each they have their own on how/why. Doesn't make a difference to others, or even changes what others have experienced, but it's why I believe what I believe. That doesn't change, because it was by His Spirit/Strength showing me, and not by my own reasoning.

There you have it and why going back over scripture-by-scripture verse, won't change my seeing the Trinity as being a valid explanation for the Godhead, and how there can be One God and not three with God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit. Just keep in mind "God" is a title and not the fullness of who They are. lol \o/

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
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