Who Justifieth the Ungodly

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You have once again assumed your conclusion rather than proved it from Scripture. No Christian says faith pays for sin or that Christ merely made salvation possible. Christ alone accomplished redemption. The question is when God justifies the sinner, and the passages consistently answer: "justified by faith" (Romans 5:1), "all that believe are justified" (Acts 13:39), and "a man is justified by faith" (Galatians 2:16). Romans 5:18–19 speaks of the basis of justification in Christ, not the timing of its application. You continue to conflate the accomplishment of redemption with the application of justification, but those are not the same thing, and no passage says people were justified years before they believed.

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[Brightfame52]

Once again, you are assuming the very point under debate. Neither 1 Corinthians 1:30 nor 2 Corinthians 5:21 says people were justified before believing. Both passages explain the basis of our righteousness in Christ, not the timing of justification. Paul explicitly tells us when that righteousness is applied: "being justified by faith" (Romans 5:1), "all that believe are justified" (Acts 13:39), and "a man is justified by faith" (Galatians 2:16). You continue to read "before faith" into passages that never say it.

weak still

 

[Brightfame52]

The elect are Justified before they believe because an aspect of justification is their completeness in and through Christ Col 2:10

And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

This is foundationed on the fact that Christ has died for them, which death constituted them perfected forever Heb 10:14

14 For by one offering[His Death he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

This is before they believe.

AI synthesis:

"My opponent wants a fragmented, conditional salvation where Christ's offering perfects absolutely nobody until a dead sinner decides to validate it by their own free will. But Colossians 2:10 and Hebrews 10:14 completely eviscerate that transactional paradigm. The Holy Spirit uses the ironclad Greek perfect tense to declare that the elect are complete in Him and have been perfected forever by His one offering.
This legal perfection is a secured, historical monument. It was accomplished at the cross long before we ever drew a breath or performed the initial act of faith. Faith does not create our completeness; faith is the blood-bought evidence that we are already complete in our resurrected Head. Christ did not die to make us 'perfectable' if we choose to cooperate; His offering perfected us forever, rendering our subsequent quickening and conversion an absolute legal certainty."

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