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SignUp Now!Im finding the word " church" all throughout the 1599 Geneva Bible and the Wycliffe edition ,but nowhere in the Darby translation, or the Tree of Life edition . They use the word " Assembly" and " community".I think so people donot relize there were english "Bibles" and Manuscripts" before 1611. the Geneva, The Bishop Bible, The Great Bible, The Coverdale, The Tyndale,
is it not amazings , Milions got saved under them, and the word "Church" is not recorded in any one of the "English" translation speaking bibles.
I am not fighting anyone, but in presuit of The "truth"!
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The Mysterious Word "Church" | Bein' a Berean
'Assembly' and 'congregation' are more accurate translations. Bible translators need to take account of the history and conventions of the language they are translating to as well as the source language, so for the most part, 'church' has stuck.Im finding the word " church" all throughout the 1599 Geneva Bible and the Wycliffe edition ,but nowhere in the Darby translation, or the Tree of Life edition . They use the word " Assembly" and " community".
Assembly, congregation, community, they all sound like churches to me!'Assembly' and 'congregation' are more accurate translations. Bible translators need to take account of the history and conventions of the language they are translating to as well as the source language, so for the most part, 'church' has stuck.
although we find Bibles such as you have found the 1599 Geneva Bible was it Internet find, that was downloaded, or a copy of a 20 century printed , or is it a copy of the Original 1560 in which i have in my library. Most Likely your 1599 was reprinted in modern language in 2006, with Bias updates.Im finding the word " church" all throughout the 1599 Geneva Bible and the Wycliffe edition ,but nowhere in the Darby translation, or the Tree of Life edition . They use the word " Assembly" and " community".
I am "Glorifying GOD". now by me Glorifying GOD does not make Mankind Happy! Not in a long shot!Yeah, it was a copy of the one in your library. No it is a 1599 Geneva Bible and what does it matter actually? Whether it is church, congregation, assembly, community, organization, gathering or ghetto, it won't change your opinion on the subject and send you to your nearest church! What frustrates me is that everyone is so preoccupied with irrelevant knowledge when they could be repenting and praying and giving glory to the Lord. People should ask themselves " Is the answer to what I am seeking going to keep me out of hell?" If it is probably not, then they should ask themselves " what will?" And they should run after that with everything they have in them during the time that they have left on this earth.
A discerning heart gains knowledge, the ear of the wise seeks knowledge. Proverbs 18:15
And so, you see, the weak person – a brother or sister for whom the Messiah died! – is then destroyed by your ‘knowledge’. 1 Corinthians 8:10
I was saying that to someone who always seems to try to " out smart" everyone on here and then claims he is not even a Christian. From what my Bible says, people who are not Christian ( forgive me) go to hell. Plain and simple. If you are not in Christ, you will die. You will not rise. You will not be saved. You will go where the worm never dies. That is what the Bible says.Knowledge is not irrelevant. Though I understand what you're saying. But we ARE to be growing in the grace and knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ.
And it depends on what a person considers to Be 'irrelevant' knowledge. What 'knowledge' is being talked about and Where is the knowledge coming From.
"a person who Does accept Jesus Christ during the 7 yrs. tribulation period will probably die a martyr."@DieAmartyr -- well -- in the end -- judgement day -- Everyone will be appearing before God and answering for their decisions. And I suppose it's Possible that a person Could be left here on earth And survive the 7 yr tribulation as well as the 1,000 yr reign of Christ without dying. Highly unlikely -- but maybe possible. But they Will be standing before God in either their non-born-again status Or as a born again believer. However -- a person who Does accept Jesus Christ during the 7 yrs. tribulation period will probably die a martyr. But -- no one should take a chance of living through all of this time without dying and end up in heaven based on any good works that they might be doing. Because Everyone has sinned in some way -- their inner thought-life that only God sees. Or through pride.
those who have died Will be brought back to life. And the soul that sinneth and is without Christ -- will end up in a place that they Won't want to stay in. And by Then, it will To Late. That is why Scripture says that NOW is the day of salvation.
From what I understand if you own or use any property of the devil it will make you unholy. Things like makeup, fake nails, hair dye, ladies pants, vanity, t.v.sets, nail polish, jewelry, wigs, hair braids, fashion, secular music, secular movies, ANYTHING that does not glorify God. This is why we are to hate the things of this world. I think America is the worst country to be in spiritually because 1. Our White house sits at the base of a pentagram. 2. We have occult symbols on our money that says " in God we trust" but they didnt mean God Almighty. 3. We are so " proud" of our " freedom" Freedom from what? God? We have taken Greed, lust, pride, vanity, homosexuality, violence, murder, idolatry, godlessness, jealousy, seduction, indecency, tattooing, vulgarity, profanity, EVERYTHING God detests and made it part of our everyday lifestyle to the point we think its all " no big deal"but these unholy practices will not enter the gates of heaven!! So as a nation have we traded freedom on earth for slavery in hell? It is a revelation that was given to me last year that opened my eyes and when I talk about it no one wants to hear it! Their pride takes over and they get angry, or they say " if you dont like it leave". I was born here- it is all I know but I AM RIGHT. I didn't give the revelation to myself! I was looking at Covid-19 last year, and President Trump and everyone losing their jobs and in my heart I said Oh God, please bless America! And almost instantly I got back " Why should I?" And all these principalities flooded my mind and I was like " Oh, no...You are right! I didn't even see it!" And I did that thing where you pray on something and open your Bible to the first thing you read..( we all do it) and I opened it to And I heard another voice from Heaven, saying, “Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues; Revelation 18:4. I told my husband. " I think we need to leave the country." He was in the Army 13 years and he is very proud . " Have you lost your mind? Are you serious?"@DieAmartyr -- Not all Christians will be Raptured? Look at 1 Thessalonians 4:14 - 18 -- "if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, ....as 1 Corinthians 15 tells us -- to be saved. All born again believers are the Body of Christ / The Church / The bride of Christ. Those are the terms used in Scripture for those who will be raptured up by Christ. There will be no special rapture for really spiritual people and a second one for 'less than perfectly spiritual ' people. Either a person is saved or they aren't. Accepting Jesus Christ as your personal Savior is what matters the most. Being born again does not mean never sinning again. And you said that you 'found your way back'. Satan loves to put doubt in your mind. The Holy Spirit worked in your heart to bring you back from your getting side tracked. It happens to lots of us. And satan loves it when it happens. But we don't loose our salvation.
Born again believers will answer for what they've done during the time they have been saved. It's having to do with the crowns we can be 'earning' while here. those don't make us any more saved or not saved. It's not a good -works thing to keep our salvation.
the mark of God. I just Googled that -- maybe your thinking of the 666 mark of the beast that is mentioned in Rev.
Or the indwelling of the Holy Spirit -- but that doesn't involve a 'mark' of any kind. It's the sealing of our heart -- invisible -- until we are safe with Jesus for eternity.
the vs 5 that you are referring to -- is vs 3 of chapter 7 of Revelation. That passage is talking about the 144,000 Jews who are 'sealed' for safety when they go into the 7 yrs. of tribulation to evangelize the Jews who haven't accepted Jesus Christ as their Promised Messiah.
There is another passage in 9:5 that you're apparently talking about.
Some of that is referring to what's taking place during the 7 yr tribulation.
Believer won't be here during that time That is going to be happening during the 5th seal. We won't be here then.
A question would be -- Why would born again believers be 'here' during those 7 yrs. of tribulation -- His wrath is for those who reject Him. The Jewish people rejected Him. Now there Are Messianic Jews to Do accept him.
Are you by chance Jewish? All Anyone needs to do is accept Jesus Christ as their personal Savior. Their Lord and Savior.
Honey I am far from Jewish! I have loved Jesus since I was a baby. No I am NOT Jewish, and have NEVER denied Jesus Christ, or been angry with Him, or cursed Him or blamed Him or anything. I have only ever loved Him, and disappointed Him and angered Him. I have however always had faith in Him and trusted Him. So many of us don't realize that when we live for ourselves this has an effect on God and we don't see that or think we are hurting anyone. I was living for myself for awhile kind of out of necessity but I was an opportunist and didn't always do what was right. I have corrected that in myself and stopped allowing" friends" have such a wordly influence on me. It was my own fault, but they didn't help anything. No even with the rapture, narrow is the path and few find it. Not all Christians will be raptured, and there are Christians in hell who got it wrong.@DieAmartyr -- Not all Christians will be Raptured? Look at 1 Thessalonians 4:14 - 18 -- "if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, ....as 1 Corinthians 15 tells us -- to be saved. All born again believers are the Body of Christ / The Church / The bride of Christ. Those are the terms used in Scripture for those who will be raptured up by Christ. There will be no special rapture for really spiritual people and a second one for 'less than perfectly spiritual ' people. Either a person is saved or they aren't. Accepting Jesus Christ as your personal Savior is what matters the most. Being born again does not mean never sinning again. And you said that you 'found your way back'. Satan loves to put doubt in your mind. The Holy Spirit worked in your heart to bring you back from your getting side tracked. It happens to lots of us. And satan loves it when it happens. But we don't loose our salvation.
Born again believers will answer for what they've done during the time they have been saved. It's having to do with the crowns we can be 'earning' while here. those don't make us any more saved or not saved. It's not a good -works thing to keep our salvation.
the mark of God. I just Googled that -- maybe your thinking of the 666 mark of the beast that is mentioned in Rev.
Or the indwelling of the Holy Spirit -- but that doesn't involve a 'mark' of any kind. It's the sealing of our heart -- invisible -- until we are safe with Jesus for eternity.
the vs 5 that you are referring to -- is vs 3 of chapter 7 of Revelation. That passage is talking about the 144,000 Jews who are 'sealed' for safety when they go into the 7 yrs. of tribulation to evangelize the Jews who haven't accepted Jesus Christ as their Promised Messiah.
There is another passage in 9:5 that you're apparently talking about.
Some of that is referring to what's taking place during the 7 yr tribulation.
Believer won't be here during that time That is going to be happening during the 5th seal. We won't be here then.
A question would be -- Why would born again believers be 'here' during those 7 yrs. of tribulation -- His wrath is for those who reject Him. The Jewish people rejected Him. Now there Are Messianic Jews to Do accept him.
Are you by chance Jewish? All Anyone needs to do is accept Jesus Christ as their personal Savior. Their Lord and Savior.
Honey I am far from Jewish! I have loved Jesus since I was a baby. No I am NOT Jewish, and have NEVER denied Jesus Christ, or been angry with Him, or cursed Him or blamed Him or anything. I have only ever loved Him, and disappointed Him and angered Him. I have however always had faith in Him and trusted Him. So many of us don't realize that when we live for ourselves this has an effect on God and we don't see that or think we are hurting anyone. I was living for myself for awhile kind of out of necessity but I was an opportunist and didn't always do what was right. I have corrected that in myself and stopped allowing" friends" have such a wordly influence on me. It was my own fault, but they didn't help anything. No even with the rapture, narrow is the path and few find it. Not all Christians will be raptured, and there are Christians in hell who got it wrong.
First of all, I am not trying to prove you wrong. But do you realize that a pentagram, a typical star as in stars and stripes, and the star of david all look similar, but they dont mean the same thing. An ank is very similar to a cross worn by christians, but they dont mean the same thing. Obviously what I am saying is, the intent behind putting something there is more important than what someone else proclaims it means. Although I have heard that some of the largest spires like the washington monument were either put around power centers of the world and that practise had began by the egyptians and some were taken from egypt and erected around the world in major cities, at least 1 in the US and one in london. I think they represented self proclaimed power and ability and maybe even something more religious.From what I understand if you own or use any property of the devil it will make you unholy. Things like makeup, fake nails, hair dye, ladies pants, vanity, t.v.sets, nail polish, jewelry, wigs, hair braids, fashion, secular music, secular movies, ANYTHING that does not glorify God. This is why we are to hate the things of this world. I think America is the worst country to be in spiritually because 1. Our White house sits at the base of a pentagram. 2. We have occult symbols on our money that says " in God we trust" but they didnt mean God Almighty. 3. We are so " proud" of our " freedom" Freedom from what? God? We have taken Greed, lust, pride, vanity, homosexuality, violence, murder, idolatry, godlessness, jealousy, seduction, indecency, tattooing, vulgarity, profanity, EVERYTHING God detests and made it part of our everyday lifestyle to the point we think its all " no big deal"but these unholy practices will not enter the gates of heaven!! So as a nation have we traded freedom on earth for slavery in hell? It is a revelation that was given to me last year that opened my eyes and when I talk about it no one wants to hear it! Their pride takes over and they get angry, or they say " if you dont like it leave". I was born here- it is all I know but I AM RIGHT. I didn't give the revelation to myself! I was looking at Covid-19 last year, and President Trump and everyone losing their jobs and in my heart I said Oh God, please bless America! And almost instantly I got back " Why should I?" And all these principalities flooded my mind and I was like " Oh, no...You are right! I didn't even see it!" And I did that thing where you pray on something and open your Bible to the first thing you read..( we all do it) and I opened it to And I heard another voice from Heaven, saying, “Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues; Revelation 18:4. I told my husband. " I think we need to leave the country." He was in the Army 13 years and he is very proud . " Have you lost your mind? Are you serious?"
Oh I am not in panic mode. You have to understand the nature of Satan. He will stop at NOTHING to trick us into doing his bidding and going to hell. EVERY DAY they are scheming up new ways to trap up and get us to insult Gods perfect creation by having us try to make it better. He is trying everything since his time is short to get every single one of us into hell any way he can. Owning his property gives him legality in your life, like it or not. There is not a day that satan loves us and he tries to make things seem like no big deal, they are over reacting, everybody is doing it, God will overlook that, he searches the heart! That is what matters! Listen to the lies if you want to. I was raised wearing makeup and fashion! I used to model and wear heels! America is my culture! Like I said. I didn't give myself these revelations, and they are not my own beliefs. They are warnings I received to take as I wanted. The devil would not warn me about himself, so I can only share the message as I am supposed to. That way if anyone with an ear does not hear, it is not on me for not sharing it. If the top floor is burning and I know its burning and I pass you on my way down and you are going up, do I tell you it is on fire or do I let you find out the hard way and keep my mouth shut? No I tell you! Then if you dont believe me and go anyways at least I tried.@DieAmartyr -- are you talking about Now? Using or owning any 'property of the devil" and you list Lots of everyday things -- well -- lots of those things Are frills that aren't really needed. Some of those things -- I wear nail polish -- switched to some light pink glittering stuff. Started using clear nail polish years ago. I don't see it as Not glorifying God.
I think you're taking 'hating' things of this world -- a bit far, maybe.
This country has been blessed greatly by God. And some of what you're talking about -- it's a personal choice whether To give heed to any of that. Our personal life style is what We make it.
Society has gone crazy -- a believer is part of society but our eternal home is in heaven.
When we read our Bible -- we need to read it in context. We Should be praying every day -- talking to God about everything -- but to simply open your Bible Anywhere and pick a verse to read -- it Needs to be read in it's context.
So - in the future -- like ' now' -- start reading a portion in the New Testament -- maybe the prison epistles / Galations, Ephesians, Phillippians, Collossians/ not all at once -- but a chapter or two at a time of one of those books. See what that says.
I can understand how your husband would react the way he did. And you're in the military -- that Would have you a bit more concerned than others. But you also need the Comforting of the Holy Spirit. Phillipians is good with that.
But try to Not be in the panick mode. Everything in this world is Not evil. God IS in control. And I need to remind myself of that frequently.
First of all, I am not trying to prove you wrong. But do you realize that a pentagram, a typical star as in stars and stripes, and the star of david all look similar, but they dont mean the same thing. An ank is very similar to a cross worn by christians, but they dont mean the same thing. Obviously what I am saying is, the intent behind putting something there is more important than what someone else proclaims it means. Although I have heard that some of the largest spires like the washington monument were either put around power centers of the world and that practise had began by the egyptians and some were taken from egypt and erected around the world in major cities, at least 1 in the US and one in london. I think they represented self proclaimed power and ability and maybe even something more religious.