who are those that came out of the great tribulation????

[Dave M]

9 After this I looked and saw a multitude too large to count, from every nation and tribe and people and tongue, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and holding palm branches in their hands.

10 And they cried out in a loud voice: Salvation to our God,who sits on the throne,and to the Lamb!

13Then one of the elders addressed me: “These in white robes, he asked, “who are they, and where have they come from?

14“Sir, I answered, “you know.

So he replied, “These are the ones who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.


For years I have herd preachers say these are the one that came to Christ during the trinulation, these are preachers that also teach the pre trib....Now I just dont see it saying they came to CHrist during the tribulation, only that they died for Christ during the tribulation.

And as we dig more and more in the book of revelation it keeps saying no one repents, if we have so many people comming to Christ during the tribulation why does it says NO ONE REPENT...??

Revelation 16:9
They were scorched by the fierce heat, and they cursed the name of God who had power over these plagues. They did not repent and give him glory.

Revelation 9:21
Nor did they repent of their murders or their sorceries or their sexual immorality or their thefts.

Revelation 9:20
The rest of mankind, who were not killed by these plagues, did not repent of the works of their hands nor give up worshiping demons and idols of gold and silver and bronze and stone and wood, which cannot see or hear or walk,

 

[B-A-C]

It seems this is dawning on more and more people.

People say, well I will be raptured before that. The Bible says only the elect will be raptured. The verse below is about the rapture. Notice it says the "elect" will be raptured. No one else.
So who are the elect? Some say they are the Jews, if that's true, then only the Jews will be raptured.

Matt 24:31; And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other

Whoever the elect are, why are they still around on the earth when the tribulation is happening?

Matt 24:21; For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Matt 24:22; And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

So, when does this rapture of the elect happen? After the tribulation.

Matt 24:29; Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Matt 24:30; And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Matt 24:31; And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Not to mention Revelation 7:9-14; @Dave M mentioned above. (He left out the Revelation 7 reference. )

Romans 8:33; Who will bring a charge against God’s elect? God is the one who justifies;

Romans was written to Gentiles, why would Gentiles be called the elect by Paul? Also if the verse above is only about the Jews, does that mean Satan is free to bring charges against the rest of us?

 

[PloughBoy]

The "Elect" know who they are. It is not for those who are not "The Elect",To know who "The Elect" truly are. All Others "speculate" and "quess" and assume. And Have great conversations about them. The "Elect" have no need to have conversations about who they are. For no one can understand even if they tried to explain themselves who they are. It is useless. For We all are to be about our Father's business.

This does not protain to the local assembly but "The body of Christ"! in which there is "One Body", One Faith, One LORD"


English Standard Version
But as it is, God arranged the members in the body, each one of them, as he chose. "the body" here is singular and not plural.
Berean Study Bible
But in fact, God has arranged the members of the body, every one of them, according to His design.

(Eph. 4)ASV
4There is one body, and one Spirit, even as also ye were called in one hope of your calling; 5one Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6one God and Father of all, who is over all, and through all, and in all.

"There is Only One Congregation of The Lord"! Churches will fail, churches will stumble, churches will crumble, and will disappear. But Jesus said:

International Standard Version
"I tell you that you are Peter, and it is on this Rock [ME] that I will build my congregation, and the powers of hell will not conquer it. "

So my brother and sisters in "Christ Jesus" we are build upon a "SOLID ROCK" and nothing can defeat us! Our lives are always "Victorious" for we are "The Body of Christ"! They are not

Jesus is The "MASTER BUILDER", He builds " His Congregation"! He used a "personal pronoun" the word "I" , meaning HIM and not "us" not Peter, but Himself. "I WILL"

That should make every Believer in Christ, overwhelm.

"who are those that came out of the great tribulation????" Answer: "The People of The LIVING GOD"

 

[Gregoryp]

I know who the elect, aka the chosen ones are. No need to explain myself, or my purpose, or who I belong to.

 

[Dave M]

the question remains are people getting saved during the tribulation?? if so please provide scripture, because all I see is that no on is repenting...........

 

[Sue D.]

I know who the elect, aka the chosen ones are. No need to explain myself, or my purpose, or who I belong to.

Well -- considering that God's Word says that only He / God / knows who the elect are and that He is the only One who knows when the rapture is going to take place. -- you are putting Yourself in a very 'interesting' position.

 

[Sue D.]

the question remains are people getting saved during the tribulation?? if so please provide scripture, because all I see is that no on is repenting...........

Yes, people Will be saved during those 7 years of tribulation. It's for the Jewish people who had formerly Not accepted Him as their Messiah. And I also think that those who had not rejected Jesus Christ but were agnostic will still have opportunity to accept Christ as Savior. But they will be martyrs.

Was looking back at your first post. You've answered your own question. Revelation 7 -- the 144,000 Jews who were sealed -- evangelizing the rest of the Jews and those who haven't previously rejected Christ.

 

[Dave M]

Was looking back at your first post. You've answered your own question. Revelation 7 -- the 144,000 Jews who were sealed

that is a good catch, but maybe they were already saved,,,,,I cant seem to find anywehear in revelation that suggest people repenting and coming to Christ,,,, I see the opposite no one repenting.


Revelation 16:9
They were scorched by the fierce heat, and they cursed the name of God who had power over these plagues. They did not repent and give him glory.

Revelation 9:21
Nor did they repent of their murders or their sorceries or their sexual immorality or their thefts.

Revelation 9:20
The rest of mankind, who were not killed by these plagues, did not repent of the works of their hands nor give up worshiping demons and idols of gold and silver and bronze and stone and wood, which cannot see or hear or walk,

 

[Sue D.]

Dave M -- That passage referring to the 144,000 Jews were sealed during those 7 years tribulation period in order To evangelize the Jews who'd not previously accepted Jesus Christ as their Messiah. And we remember that they Were dispersed amongst the neighboring countries. So there would have been intermarrying over the next many, many years. And there had been the 12 tribes - nations -- multitudes to be evangelized in the future.

And those passages Are sharing the Rest of the book of Revelation -- there's a Lot going on.

 

[Brother Paul]

9 After this I looked and saw a multitude too large to count, from every nation and tribe and people and tongue, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and holding palm branches in their hands.

10 And they cried out in a loud voice: Salvation to our God,who sits on the throne,and to the Lamb!

13Then one of the elders addressed me: “These in white robes, he asked, “who are they, and where have they come from?

14“Sir, I answered, “you know.

So he replied, “These are the ones who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.


For years I have herd preachers say these are the one that came to Christ during the trinulation, these are preachers that also teach the pre trib....Now I just dont see it saying they came to CHrist during the tribulation, only that they died for Christ during the tribulation.

And as we dig more and more in the book of revelation it keeps saying no one repents, if we have so many people comming to Christ during the tribulation why does it says NO ONE REPENT...??

Revelation 16:9
They were scorched by the fierce heat, and they cursed the name of God who had power over these plagues. They did not repent and give him glory.

Revelation 9:21
Nor did they repent of their murders or their sorceries or their sexual immorality or their thefts.

Revelation 9:20
The rest of mankind, who were not killed by these plagues, did not repent of the works of their hands nor give up worshiping demons and idols of gold and silver and bronze and stone and wood, which cannot see or hear or walk,

They are ALL saved Spirit born believers who lost their heads for refusing the Mark. Yes the Spirit and the Church are still present during the Anti-Christ's part of the Trib right up until the time he is consumed by the brightness of the Coming of the Lord (the Parousia)

 

[Sue D.]

Yes, the pre-trib rapture is the only timing that makes sense.

Why else are there the 144,000 // 12,000 from each tribe sealed and sent out into the world during those 7 years. When people are being evangelized -- what Is happening to them. They Are coming to Christ. Sometimes we need to accept the phrasing that Scripture gives us.

You almost sound like a post-trib rapture. person. Which gives no time in heaven for the marriage super of the Lamb.

Food for thought to say the least.

 

[Dave M]

They are ALL saved Spirit born believers who lost their heads for refusing the Mark. Yes the Spirit and the Church are still present during the Anti-Christ's part of the Trib right up until the time he is consumed by the brightness of the Coming of the Lord (the Parousia)

so you are saying the rapture does not take place until after the tribulation, correct?

 

[Dave M]

Which gives no time in heaven for the marriage super of the Lamb.

do you have scripture that supports the timing of the marriage supper???

 

[Brother Paul]

Yes, the pre-trib rapture is the only timing that makes sense.

Why else are there the 144,000 // 12,000 from each tribe sealed and sent out into the world during those 7 years. When people are being evangelized -- what Is happening to them. They Are coming to Christ. Sometimes we need to accept the phrasing that Scripture gives us.

You almost sound like a post-trib rapture. person. Which gives no time in heaven for the marriage super of the Lamb.

Food for thought to say the least.

At the same time or right before the Anti-Christ is consumed by the brightness of His Coming (the Parousia), we are caught up together to meet him in the air (the rapture)...then the Lord's wrath is poured out....and because the dead in Christ shall rise at that time this is also the first resurrection.

 

[Sue D.]

There are definitely various views on the subject.

The most important decision a person can make is for their personal salvation. Once That has been made, then Bible-reading is important. Spiritual growth / study.

I'm still a pre-trib rapture person. And there Are 7 yrs. of tribulation coming as of Daniel 9:27 -- one week = 7 yrs. tribulation. yet to come.

 

[Brother Paul]

so you are saying the rapture does not take place until after the tribulation, correct?

No...I am saying the Scriptures teach that the rapture does not occur until after the Anti-Christs reign.....his part ends when he is consumed. Nowhere does the Bible say it happens before he arrives. In fact Paul says these things will not occur until

a) the great falling away, and
b) the revealing of that man of sin (reveling to whom?)

We who are alive and the dead in Christ are caught together with Him in the air at His coming....the same event at which the Anti-Christ is consumed. By the way I was a very dogmatic pre-tribber for almost 2 decades....

 

[Sue D.]

That belief is based on 11 Thessalonians 2:8 "And then the lawless one will be revealed whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming."

The Antichrist is talked about in Rev. 13 -- 666.

Later in chapter 20 :4-5 "And I saw thrones, and they sat on them and judgement was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of the who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beat or his image, and had not ceived his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

vs 5 "But the rest of the dead did not live again until the 1,000 years were finished. This is the 1st resurrection

I don't see anywhere where the Antichrists is destroyed. Just about the 7 yr trib part.

 

[B-A-C]

The word "antichrist" is only in 4 verses, and only in 1st and 2nd John.

1Jn 2:18; Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared; from this we know that it is the last hour.
1Jn 2:22; Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son.
1Jn 4:3; and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.
2Jn 1:7; For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist.

I don't see anywhere where the Antichrists is destroyed. Just about the 7 yr trib part.

Rev 19:20; And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the lake of fire which burns with brimstone.

However the beast and the false prophet will be thrown into the Lake of Fire.

This would seem to happen before the millennial reign, for several reasons, first Satan will be imprisoned in the pit, so the beast won't have any power during this time.
Second Jesus will be ruling with a "rod of iron" over the entire earth during this time, so the beast won't have any authority during this time anyway.
Third Revelation 19 is likely chronologically before Revelation 20. The beast is thrown into the Lake of fire in Revelation 19. The millennial reign is in Revelation 20.
Is the beast the anti-christ? He is certainly an antichrist. He deceives the whole world, and tells them to worship Him rather than Christ.. hence "anti"Christ.

 

[B-A-C]

.. back to @Dave M 's original point.

2Thes 2:7; For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way.
2Thes 2:8; Then that lawless one will be revealed whom the Lord will slay with the breath of His mouth and bring to an end by the appearance of His coming;
2Thes 2:9 ; that is, the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and signs and false wonders,
2Thes 2:10; and with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved.
2Thes 2:11; For this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false,
2Thes 2:12; in order that they all may be judged who did not believe the truth, but took pleasure in wickedness

Can you give a scripture that specifically says people will be saved during the tribulation? More specifically just the Jews?

 

[Sue D.]

In Revelation 7 -- the 144,00 Jews are sealed and sent into the world to evangelize the Jews who'd not already accepted Jesus Christ as their Messiah. vs 14 "These are those who came out of the great tribulation -- referring to those who are arrayed in white robes vs 13 and 14.

There are a Lot of people who are anti-Christ in their teachings but there will be a definite man who is the Antichrist.