Who And What Is A True Christian

[Thiscrosshurts]

What did he struggle with?
Why do you think he said:

1. "I do what I don't want to do", and
   
2. " I don't do what I don't want to do?

What's the next verse say.
Romans 7:17 As it is, I am no longer the one who is doing it, but it is the sin that is living in me.
Amplified
Romans 7:17 So I am not the one doing wrong; it is sin living in me that does it.

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

What did he struggle with?
Why do you think he said:

1. "I do what I don't want to do", and
   
2. " I don't do what I don't want to do?

Again Paul was simply talking to those who have not built them selves up in the spirit yet and was showing them that ther flesh and the spirit is always at war with each other for they both want to be in control BUT it is us who makes the final choice or gives either the flesh or the spirit the authority to rule in our lives.

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

What's the next verse say.
Romans 7:17 As it is, I am no longer the one who is doing it, but it is the sin that is living in me.
Amplified
Romans 7:17 So I am not the one doing wrong; it is sin living in me that does it.

Yes the sin in him would be the old man ort old nature or the old way of living and doing thingsds which is the flesh.
This is showing that when we do the things we should not it is from our sin nature that we are all born with. It means we have not controlled our flesh and alloud the flesh to rise up and not the spirit man.

@RJ - No where in this does it say that Paul or any one else does not sin. Common sense tells you it is the flesh and not the spirit that sins...
Blessings
Jim

 

[RJ]

What's the next verse say.
Romans 7:17 As it is, I am no longer the one who is doing it, but it is the sin that is living in me.

• All right so,he couldn't manage to do what he wanted to do and he did what he didn't like to do, because there was sin still living in him, right?
• So, he wasn't responsible because the sin was of the flesh. But know, the sin was not held against him, because he is a new creature. He didn't sin spiritually...couldn't because he was a new spiritual creature because of Christ in him.
• If his sin was there in the flesh, it obviously was manifested in the physical world, so he said Romans 8:1

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

@RJ
It is the word that causes us to produce ther Godly fruits or fruits of the Holy Spirit.
Every action produces a reaction or puts something into motion or being.

 

[Thiscrosshurts]

Again Paul was simply talking to those who have not built them selves up in the spirit yet and was showing them that ther flesh and the spirit is always at war with each other for they both want to be in control BUT it is us who makes the final choice or gives either the flesh or the spirit the authority to rule in our lives.

Ok,let's run with that.
Which one am "I"
You seem to be saying that I or we are neither flesh or spirit.
I'm just trying to understand how we/you are using certain words.

 

[Thiscrosshurts]

So, he wasn't responsible because the sin was of the flesh. But know, the sin was not held against him, because he is a new creature. He didn't sin spiritually...couldn't because he was a new spiritual creature because of Christ in him.

Agreed,but who are you,the new creature or the old sinner or both?

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

• All right so,he couldn't manage to do what he wanted to do and he did what he didn't like to do, because there was sin still living in him, right?
• So, he wasn't responsible because the sin was of the flesh. But know, the sin was not held against him, because he is a new creature. He didn't sin spiritually...couldn't because he was a new spiritual creature because of Christ in him.
• If his sin was there in the flesh, it obviously was manifested in the physical world, so he said Romans 8:1

Every Chrisitan is responsible for their ever action. If we sin we asre responsible for it. When it says it was not me but the sin in me does not give you a free get out of jail pass. We however can repent and ask for forgiveness... This is why un-forgiven sin can and does hinder your faith and prayer life and so forth.

Through out His written word He tells us we are forgiven or we have this or that BUT HOWEVER we still need to ask and seek Him.

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

Ok,let's run with that.
Which one am "I"
You seem to be saying that I or we are neither flesh or spirit.
I'm just trying to understand how we/you are using certain words.

Never said this TCH,
We as born again believers have been given His spirit in us. 1Peter1:23
We still havbe a flesh and sin nature........We must build up our Godly Spirit man to allow ther Spirit man to become stronger then the flesh........

Romans 12:2 ....
And be not conformed to this world; but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind that ye may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God

2 Corinthians 10:4-5
4... For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to pulling down strong holds
5... Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God and bringing into captivity every thought

Galatians 5:16
This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh

When we live in such a way as listed in these three scritpures we then can keep the flesh at bay or the weeker part of us.
You will always have a fleshly nature in you................the purpose is to build the spirit man up in His written word and ways so the flesh stays pushed down or another words you do not act from the flesh.
Blessings

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

Agreed,but who are you,the new creature or the old sinner or both?

We are the new creature or creation in Christ.........the old has passed away..............Now then this does not say the flesh is not in us any more. We must buildup the spirit man. Feed the spirit and starve the flesh...........if the flesh is being fed more then you have what paul was saying........it is the sin in me that doeth these things........it is still you doing them.

 

[RJ]

Agreed,but who are you,the new creature or the old sinner or both?

In Romans 8:1, wht did Paul follow up Romans 7 by saying: " therefore, there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ"?
Condemnation for what?...condemnation for the sin that still exist in the flesh! Paul said it, I didn't!!!...there is sin that still exists!...Where / how does it exist?...It exists in the flesh. As long as you are still alive, in this physical world, the old self is still subject to sin. But , because of the new self with Christ in you ( your spiritual self), your saved, your ultimate glorification is still coming. In the meantime, there is no condemnation for you! Paul, also meant it this way, as long as you are alive, in this physical world, sin will exist to some degree, but you are not held responsible for it. In that sense, until you shed this body, there is still some of both.

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

• All right so,he couldn't manage to do what he wanted to do and he did what he didn't like to do, because there was sin still living in him, right?
• So, he wasn't responsible because the sin was of the flesh. But know, the sin was not held against him, because he is a new creature. He didn't sin spiritually...couldn't because he was a new spiritual creature because of Christ in him.
• If his sin was there in the flesh, it obviously was manifested in the physical world, so he said Romans 8:1

Brother RJ you are not 100 percent correct here at all.
ALL CHRISTIANS are responsible for their actions,,,,,,,,,,,,,,for the rest it is just not true

 

[RJ]

.the old has passed away...

No, the condemnation for the old has passed away!

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

In Romans 8:1, wht did Paul follow up Romans 7 by saying: " therefore, there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ"?
Condemnation for what?...condemnation for the sin that still exist in the flesh! Paul said it, I didn't!!!...there is sin that still exists!...Where / how does it exist?...It exists in the flesh. As long as you are still alive, in this physical world, the old self is still subject to sin. But , because of the new self with Christ in you ( your spiritual self), your saved, your ultimate glorification is still coming. In the meantime, there is no condemnation for you! Paul, also meant it this way, as long as you are alive, in this physical world, sin will exist to some degree, but you are not held responsible for it. In that sense, until you shed this body, there is still some of both.

No condemnation means no guilt and so forth that satan will bring your way and Paul never said we are not responsible for our sins.

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

No, the condemnation for the old has passed away!

Brother it is more then just condemnation that has passed away.

 

[RJ]

ALL CHRISTIANS are responsible for their actions

Yes correct! And the difference between a Christian and a no-Christian is a repentant heart. Paul was repentant...he realized he couldn't do what he wanted to do!

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

Yes correct! And the difference between a Christian and a no-Christian is a repentant heart. Paul was repentant...he realized he couldn't do what he wanted to do!

Rj I agree with you up until this ((( he realized he couldn't do what he wanted to do ))) only because I am not sure what you mean by this. What is it that he realised he could not do any more ?
Blessings

 

[RJ]

No condemnation means no guilt and so forth that satan will bring your way and Paul never said we are not responsible for our sins.

No, it means as God said it best, he would look at our sins no more. He did not say we would sin no more. Yes we are responsible, and nothing shows the responsibility of a true Christian that the possession of a repentant heart. Paul did...he was distraught that he couldn't do what he wanted to do!

 

[RJ]

Rj I agree with you up until this ((( he realized he couldn't do what he wanted to do ))) only because I am not sure what you mean by this. What is it that he realised he could not do any more ?
Blessings

OK, since you continue to disagree with me, you tell us why did Paul say:

• I do what I do not want to do. and
• I don't do what I want to do

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

OK, since you continue to disagree with me, you tell us why did Paul say:

• I do what I do not want to do. and
• I don't do what I want to do

RJ look here please.
Rj I agree with you up until this ((( he realized he couldn't do what he wanted to do ))) only because I am not sure what you mean by this. What is it that he realised he could not do any more ?

OK, since you continue to disagree with me, you tell us why did Paul say:
Now then where do you get I disagree with you ? I said I agreed with you and asked what you meant with one little part so I could UNDERSTAND what you truly meant........
Please slow down and read what is said and perhaps you wont get so worked up.
Blessings
Jim