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Where is hell? What is the location of hell?

Discussion in 'Bible Chat' started by blessed07, Jan 18, 2011.

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  1. Various theories on the location of hell have been put forward. A traditional view is that hell is in the center of the earth. Others propose that hell is located in outer space in a black hole. In the Old Testament, the word translated “hell” is Sheol; in the New Testament, it’s Hades (meaning “unseen”) and Gehenna (“the Valley of Hinnom”). Sheol is also translated as “pit” and “grave.” Both Sheol and Hades refer to a temporary abode of the dead before judgment (Psalm 9:17; Revelation 1:18). Gehenna refers to an eternal state of punishment for the wicked dead (Mark 9:43).

    The idea that hell is below us, perhaps in the center of the earth, comes from passages such as
    Luke 10:15: “And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted to heaven, shalt be thrust down to hell” (KJV). Also, in 1 Samuel 28:13-15, the medium of Endor sees the spirit of Samuel “coming up out of the ground.” We should note, however, that neither of these passages is concerned with the geographic location of hell. Capernaum’s being thrust “down” is probably a reference to their being condemned rather than a physical direction. And the medium’s vision of Samuel was just that: a vision.
  2. There are many theories regarding the exact location of Hell.

    Some say is underneath the city of Jerusalem in the core of the earth, others believe that is on a planet outside our galaxy, etc.

    The Bible indicates the underneath the earth theory is more plausible, there are many verses which suggest this, but the whole truth only God knows it.

    God Bless!
  3. First, it is necessary to examine evidence that shows the religious doctrine of "hell" or "hellfire" is a myth, that originated from pagan sources and not taught in the Bible, though the words "hell" and "hellfire" are used in the King James Bible.

    The teaching of a "hellfire" dates long before Jesus stepped on the earth. In the book The History of Hell, by Alice K. Turner (1993), noted this about the doctrine or teaching of a "hell": "The first accounts of the Land of the Dead that we know about were written nearly four thousand years ago on baked clay tablets from the Tigris-Euphrates Valley north of the Persian Gulf in Iraq. Sumer is the earliest name we have for the region....The Sumerians were conquered by the Semitic Akkadians, and the area began to be known as Babylonia, after the principal city, Babylon. The Sumerians, Akkadians, Babylonians, and neighboring Assyrians are frequently grouped as Mesopotamians, and they shared many of the same beliefs and myths, though their gods sometimes went by different names." Thus, from ancient Babylon and the surrounding area came forth the belief of a "hellfire."

    This belief continued down through the centuries to the classical Greek period, before Alexander the Great conquered Medo-Persia in 331 B.C.E. In the book Histoire des enfers (The History of Hell, 2005), by Georges Minois, page 50, it said: "Of all classical Greek philosophers, the one who has had the greatest influence on traditional views of Hell is Plato (428 ?-347 B.C.E.)”

    The New Encyclopædia Britannica (1988), Volume 25, page 890, states: “From the middle of the 2nd century AD Christians who had some training in Greek philosophy began to feel the need to express their faith in its terms . . . The philosophy that suited them best was Platonism [the teachings of Plato].” Thus, the Babylonian teaching of "hell" that Plato taught was now absorbed into so-called "Christianity".

    The Catechism of the Catholic Church, 1994 edition, page 270, states: “The teaching of the Church affirms the existence of hell and its eternity. Immediately after death the souls of those who die in a state of mortal sin descend into hell, where they suffer the punishments of hell, ‘eternal fire.’ The chief punishment of hell is eternal separation from God.” Hence, orthodox "Christianity" teaches "hell" as a doctrine that is supposedly supported by the Bible. But does it ?

    At Jeremiah 7, God condemns the nation of Israel for having "built the high places of Tophet, which is in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my heart."(Jer 7:31, King James Bible) He says that "the children of Judah have done evil in my sight, saith the Lord: they have set their abominations in the house which is called by my name, to pollute it"(Jer 7:30, King James Bible) Thus, God calls the burning of the Israelites "sons and their daughters in the fire", "evil in my sight....abominations." Could a righteous God condemn the Israelites for these wicked actions, while at the same time burn people in a "hellfire" ?

    At Jeremiah 19, God again scathingly criticizes the Israelites, saying that "they have built also the high places of Baal, to burn their sons with fire for burnt offerings unto Baal, which I commanded not, nor spake it, neither came it into my mind."(Jer 19:5, King James Bible)

    Furthermore, at Jeremiah 32, God says concerning this practice: "Because of all the evil of the children of Israel and of the children of Judah, which they have done to provoke me to anger, they, their kings, their princes, their priests, and their prophets, and the men of Judah, and the inhabitants of Jerusalem.....And they built the high places of Baal, which are in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire unto Molech; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my mind, that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin."(Jer 32:32, 35, King James Bible)

    How could God condemn the Israelite nation for "burn(ing) their sons with fire for burnt offerings unto Baal", even saying that "I commanded not, nor spake it, neither came it into my mind" and yet burn people in a hellfire ? Would this not be hypocritical of God to condemn the Israelites for ' burning their sons with fire' while at the same time burning people, even wicked people, in a hellfire ? Too, could God be a "God of love" while also burning people for all eternity ?(1 John 4:8) The two are incompatible, diametrically opposed.

    Hence, the teaching of a "hellfire" began some four thousand years ago on the plains of Mesopotamia, at Babylon. In the book of Revelation, a mystic city, called Babylon the Great, is seen in vision by the apostle John. The ancient city of Babylon is the prototype of Babylon the Great. Ancient Babylon was known for its paganistic or false religion, and from which false religious teachings and doctrines originated, such as hellfire, immortality of the soul, a trinity of gods.

    At Revelation 18, after Babylon the Great's fall, "another voice out of heaven say(s): “Get out of her, my people, if you do not want to share with her in her sins, and if you do not want to receive part of her plagues. For her sins have massed together clear up to heaven, and God has called her acts of injustice to mind."(Rev 18:4, 5) Thus, Babylon the Great, the world empire of false religion, is to be called to justice by God for "her sins have massed together clear up to heaven," including the teaching of a pagan hellfire.
  4. The word "hell" in the King James Bible (as well as in the Catholic Douay Version and most older translations) was used to translate the Hebrew word she’ohl´ and the Greek word hai´des. In the King James Version the word “hell” is rendered from she’ohl´ 31 times and from hai´des 10 times. This version is not consistent, however, since she’ohl´ is also translated 31 times “grave” and 3 times “pit.” In the Douay Version she’ohl´ is rendered “hell” 64 times, “pit” once, and “death” once.

    There is great necessity to understand the proper meaning of she’ohl´ and hai´des. At Psalms 16:10, the Hebrew word she’ohl´ is rendered as "hell", but at Psalms 31:1 and 88:3, it is rendered as "grave." This is being inconsistent and causes much confusion.

    In addition, in the King James Bible, the word "hell" is used at Acts 2:31 whereby the apostle Peter is quoting Psalms 16:10, but in the New King James Bible, the original Greek word hai´des is used instead. Why did the NKJV change "hell" to it's Greek wording ? Because it presented Jesus as having gone to "hell". This posed a problem for them, but instead of changing "hell" in all locations to either she’ohl´ or hai´des, these left them in order to continue promoting a "hellfire".

    Collier’s Encyclopedia (1986, Vol. 12, p. 28) says concerning “Hell”: “First it stands for the Hebrew Sheol of the Old Testament and the Greek Hades of the Septuagint and New Testament. Since Sheol in Old Testament times referred simply to the abode of the dead and suggested no moral distinctions, the word ‘hell,’ as understood today, is not a happy translation.”

    The word "hell" in archaic English meant, not roasting someone, but to "conceal" something.(Old English hel(l) . Ultimately from an Indo-European word meaning “to conceal,” which is also the ancestor of English conceal, Microsoft® Encarta® Reference Library 2005)

    It is, in fact, because of the way that the word “hell” is understood today that it is such an unsatisfactory translation of these original Bible words. Webster’s Third New International Dictionary, unabridged, under “Hell” says: “fr[om] . . . helan to conceal.” The word “hell” thus originally conveyed no thought of heat or torment but simply of a ‘covered over or concealed place.’ In the old English dialect the expression “helling potatoes” meant, not to roast them, but simply to place the potatoes in the ground or in a cellar.

    The meaning given today to the word “hell” is that portrayed in Dante’s Divine Comedy and Milton’s Paradise Lost, which meaning is completely foreign to the original definition of the word. The idea of a “hell” of fiery torment, however, dates back long before Dante or Milton. The idea of suffering after death is found among the pagan religious teachings of ancient peoples in Babylon and Egypt.

    Babylonian and Assyrian beliefs depicted the “nether world . . . as a place full of horrors, . . . presided over by gods and demons of great strength and fierceness.” Although ancient Egyptian religious texts do not teach that the burning of any individual victim would go on forever, they do portray the “Other World” as featuring “pits of fire” for “the damned.”—The Religion of Babylonia and Assyria, by Morris Jastrow, Jr., 1898, p. 581; The Book of the Dead, with introduction by E. Wallis Budge, 1960.

    The word "hellfire," is used three times in the King James Bible and NKJV (at Matt 5:22, 18:9, and Mark 9:47), and is rendered from the Greek word Gehenna, not hai´des. At Matthew 5:22 in the NKJV, in the cross reference concerning "hellfire", it says: "Gr. Gehenna." What was Jesus pointing to when he used the Greek word Gehenna ? Everlasting destruction, not eternal torment.

    Note Jesus words at Matthew 10:28, according to NKJV: "And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." Thus, no torment was meant by Jesus but instead destruction.

    However, the Greek word hai´des means, not everlasting destruction, but mankind's common grave, such as at Matthew 11:23, whereby the King James Bible reads "hell", but the NKJV reads "Hades" or at Matthew 16:18, in which the King James Bible reads "hell", whereas the NKJV reads "Hades".

    It is also of real interest that at Revelation 20:13, that "death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them:"(King James Bible, "Hades" NKJV) Thus, from the Bible "hell" or mankind's common grave, a person can receive a resurrection, to have the opportunity to enjoy life on a paradise earth.(Ps 37:11, 29)
  5. #5 LifeinJesus, Jan 19, 2011
    Last edited: Jan 19, 2011
    Hell is beyond the universe where Satan was thrown. There is no time outside of the universe. Heaven is also outside of the universe but not near Hell. However, you also have The Lake of Fire where souls are destroyed and that's the "Hell" that is on Earth. Satan will also end up in The Lake of Fire and he will never rise again.

    Judgement day will be bad for those who did not believe and cursed God and committed terrible sins. Because God existing is an actual nightmare for them. Just put yourself in their shoes and imagine you're in Judgement day now and imagine their thoughts. I actually feel sorry for them. They think they are right about God not existing but they are so very very wrong.

    I've heard of Sheol but the gospel of Luke states that even good people go there into the embrace of Abraham. I think this is till judgement day - the evil however, are tormented. Think of it as a form of purgatory.

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