Where did most of the modern day world get the idea, that they are going to Heaven and their parents and love ones are looking down on them

[PloughBoy]

The teaching of Heaven did not exists until Jesus came upon the earth. It took a long time to spread across the nations. And the common people did not get the Bible in their common language until around 15 century, And the majority of the english speaking people did not know how to read until 18 and 19th century. And during that 14 th century, John Wycliffe and "The Lollards" was great into the responsible for the translation of the BIBLE into the english language.
And we must not forget, up around the 14th -16th century it was a death penalty to own or recite any part of the "Holy Scriptures" in the common man's language.

So may i say again why do most people think that when they die they are going to heaven, or their love ones are looking down on them? And most of these people do not believe in Jesus. and a lot believe just because they go to church and that is the key into the entrance into The Pearly Gates.

Where did they get this kind of information from?

 

[Waggles]

Babylon - it is unfortunately the legacy of the church of Rome.
And a gold coin donation can by you a ticket.
Alas this heresy is not confined to just the RCC and is populist doctrine to assuage the masses in most mainstream denominations.

 

[Reba1]

I think a lot of that feel good stuff comes from folks trying to comfort loved ones at the death of another. Along with exaggerating the words of Jesus to the 'thief on the cross' .

 

[Sue D.]

People simply want others to feel good.

 

[Reba1]

People simply want others to feel good.

I agree..... @Sue D. but is that really a good thing to do?... Is feel good Christianity promoting a false hood. example.. Ma Abrams lost her son, the guy was a complete jerk wife beating drinking etc.. The sweet old lady was holding my hand looking for hope . In my judgmental view the guy was not saved... I am asking myself what do i say? To get around flat out lying to her I asked her of her believes, Using her words back to her i said something like " then Dan is in a better place not for you to worry, The Lord's grace is sufficient ". For me to remember this story 50+ years ago tells me i was being deceitful not honoring the Lord.

 

[PloughBoy]

I agree..... @Sue D. but is that really a good thing to do?... Is feel good Christianity promoting a false hood. example.. Ma Abrams lost her son, the guy was a complete jerk wife beating drinking etc.. The sweet old lady was holding my hand looking for hope . In my judgmental view the guy was not saved... I am asking myself what do i say? To get around flat out lying to her I asked her of her believes, Using her words back to her i said something like " then Dan is in a better place not for you to worry, The Lord's grace is sufficient ". For me to remember this story 50+ years ago tells me i was being deceitful not honoring the Lord.

I was somewhat in a difficult, position myself. In my younger years of Ministry, a Pastor tricked me, into doing a "Funeral" and to "Eulogizing" it for him. I had done many others. But this was a trap. He claim he was so busy and did't have room to do it. When I got to The "Funeral Home" a Lot of People was there, Police cars everywhere. It was a sad site. This teenage boy and a few of His friends had stolen a car, got in to a police chase, In the crash this boy died, if i remember he was about 13 years old. And the police had escorted in handcuffs other young boys to this funeral, This large room was full. The mother and aunts, sisters and other family members were sad, and in tears, But a got a sense this young boy was bad, i think other innocent people had died too! And his family, i could see in their eyes they wanted me to give them hope. On all of the other occasions, when I mounted "The Podium" I always, could feel The Power of "The Holy Spirit" upon me. But this day i felt nothing. I tried. But GOD gave me another lesson concerning pastors.

PS. This pastor did not inform me of all of this. But it was a kid who had died. "I was good at "Impromptu".

 

[Sue D.]

I agree..... @Sue D. but is that really a good thing to do?... Is feel good Christianity promoting a false hood. example.. Ma Abrams lost her son, the guy was a complete jerk wife beating drinking etc.. The sweet old lady was holding my hand looking for hope . In my judgmental view the guy was not saved... I am asking myself what do i say? To get around flat out lying to her I asked her of her believes, Using her words back to her i said something like " then Dan is in a better place not for you to worry, The Lord's grace is sufficient ". For me to remember this story 50+ years ago tells me i was being deceitful not honoring the Lord.

A pastor shared with us what he says at funerals where he's pretty sure the person wasn't a born again believer. Usually tries to find Something positive to share about the person. He reads the obituary and lets people / family share what they want to share. He Also shares the Gospel unto salvation with everyone. A person's hope is in Their future eternal home with Jesus Christ.

You commented in your post #3 -- the exagerated belief about the thief on the cross and Jesus Christ. One of those thieves Did believe Jesus Christ and the other didn't. As they were all dying -- the one thief acknowledged Jesus Christ and That man was told by Jesus that that very day, He would be with Him in Paradise. Not heaven. But that Jesus Christ would be in the Paradise part of Abraham's bosom and take all Those people back up with Him. The believing thief would see Jesus and Jesus would see him and take him back up with Him. The other non-believing thief would be in the hades / sheol part and waiting for final judgement day.

My comment was that generally speaking -- people at times of death -- feel led to say Something positive about the person. Asking to give a hug to the loved ones. That is Not the time or place to be 'truthful' about what he/ she was Really like. Everyone probably is aware of That. We want to give comfort at those times.

 

[Brother-Paul]

The teaching of Heaven did not exists until Jesus came upon the earth. It took a long time to spread across the nations. And the common people did not get the Bible in their common language until around 15 century, And the majority of the english speaking people did not know how to read until 18 and 19th century. And during that 14 th century, John Wycliffe and "The Lollards" was great into the responsible for the translation of the BIBLE into the english language.
And we must not forget, up around the 14th -16th century it was a death penalty to own or recite any part of the "Holy Scriptures" in the common man's language.

So may i say again why do most people think that when they die they are going to heaven, or their love ones are looking down on them? And most of these people do not believe in Jesus. and a lot believe just because they go to church and that is the key into the entrance into The Pearly Gates.

Where did they get this kind of information from?

Simples brother, satan!

He is the master of of lies, being a liar from the beginning.

There are so many reasons but the root cause is satan, pastors not born again is one, but it doesn't just stop there. Even pastors who are born again are caught in the emotional turmoil of a family in grief, I have heard it said, it is often best to let people think they go to heaven when someone dies, it is better to be compassionate then to upset them more. Lies always lead to more lies.

There are pastors who think going to heaven will be boring, sat on a cloud strumming a harp etc.

The biggest explosion is in these latter days, not just books galore full of lies, but films, adverts, media and more.

People talk of ***** heaven, doggie heaven, some think it is heaven to go on holiday. Ermmm.

They do not know they must be born again from above to be saved, and even then they don't go to heaven, yet they do not know these things. People are into the gospel according to their life, their life is their religion, they swallow lie after lie, because they do not want or accept The Truth.

Heaven comes down to earth, we do not go to heaven. Our Father who art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name, thy kingdom COME, thine will be done, ON EARTH as it is IN HEAVEN.

Christ will return, the New Jerusalem will come down to the new earth, thine will be done, ON EARTH as it is IN HEAVEN.

And when all things are complete, we will be with him, ON EARTH.

Sin will be no more, the curse, death and the evil one removed, we will have our new bodies, we will be with the Lord forever, Emmanuel God with us. Yes it will be on earth, because heaven and earth are restored, Paradise regained, nothing separating us from God, we are with him, he is with us for all eternity.

 

[Garee]

Its the result of being born separated from the faith of God the Christians exclusive source as it is written a work of God .

The faithless as unbelievers are called the evil generation. In that sense (no faith coming from God not little. . none. ). Rather than seeking after prophecy they seek after wonders or outward experiences of this life.


John 4:48 Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.

John 6:30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?

A good example is given in regard to faithless Nicodemus a Pharisees one who did seek after sign before he would believe like those in. . John 6:30 above

Like a circus seal show us a trick perform a miracle then we will believe .

The greatest miracle in the world a person given a new spirit that will never die as in who would not wonder and marvel?. Again wondering and marveling is not walking by faith as it is written .

John 3:6-8King James VersionThat which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

Again the evil generation no faith coming from God .The out of sight out of mind Pagan foundation or seeing is believing. (No faith)

Deuteronomy 32:20And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith.

 

[Shutterbug]

The concept of God being about love is scriptural. It is borrowed upon to make people feel good, particularly those who dearly miss their deceased family members. I read such things nearly every day on Facebook.

There is a darker side to God and chances are telling people at a funeral their beloved mother or grandmother is experiencing perpetual torment with a brief reprieve to face judgement and to be thrown back in would go over like a lead balloon.

The Good Lord does not send people to Hell. He gives us a choice of whose will we prefer to follow. If Jesus is our acclaimed Master, then he is in charge and by faith is the one leading the way. The other option is to follow our own will doing what we think is best for us. The two desires are mutually exclusive, and we cannot have it both ways. We make plans, but Jesus through the Holy Spirit is the one who directs our path.

Psalm 119:105 Your word is a lamp for my feet, a light on my path.

 

[PloughBoy]

The concept of God being about love is scriptural. It is borrowed upon to make people feel good, particularly those who dearly miss their deceased family members. I read such things nearly every day on Facebook.

There is a darker side to God and chances are telling people at a funeral their beloved mother or grandmother is experiencing perpetual torment with a brief reprieve to face judgement and to be thrown back in would go over like a lead balloon.

The Good Lord does not send people to Hell. He gives us a choice of whose will we prefer to follow. If Jesus is our acclaimed Master, then he is in charge and by faith is the one leading the way. The other option is to follow our own will doing what we think is best for us. The two desires are mutually exclusive, and we cannot have it both ways. We make plans, but Jesus through the Holy Spirit is the one who directs our path.

Psalm 119:105 Your word is a lamp for my feet, a light on my path.

"There is a darker side to God and chances are telling people at a funeral their beloved mother or grandmother is experiencing perpetual torment with a brief reprieve to face judgement and to be thrown back in would go over like a lead balloon."

Walking in the Light (1 JOHN 1)BSB
"We write these things so that our joy may be complete. And this is the message we have heard from Him and announce to you: GOD is light and in him there is no darkness at all If we say we have fellowship with Him yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth.…

(Galatians 1)BSB
"As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be under a curse! Am I now seeking the approval of men, or of God? Or am I striving to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I WOULD NOT BE A SERVANT OF CHRIST. For I certify to you, brothers, that the gospel I preached was not devised by man."…

I understand, in this day and era everyone has their "OWN god" in whom they believe. And the BIBLE can fit anyones personal or their imaginary god to whom they believe in. It is called>
"EISEGESIS". And the Biblical Interpreters from the beginning knew this was going to be the out come. That is why the church killed thousands upon thousands of christians and their families for having a bible or a portion of scripture in their own common language. In defense of "Biblical TRUTH".

And the prophets of OLD have already declared it. "Prophecy" is True" and all will come to pass. Whether we understand it or not. GOD is JUST. Not Only is He a GOD of LOVE, HE also is a The GOD of JUSTICE! The "TETRAGRAMMATON'

 

[PloughBoy]

2 Kings 17:35
For the LORD had made a covenant with the Israelites and commanded them, "Do not worship other gods or bow down to them; do not serve them or sacrifice to them.
Deuteronomy 6:5,14
And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might…
Romans 1:21
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Deuteronomy 28:14
Do not turn aside to the right or to the left from any of the words I command you today, and do not go after other gods to serve them.

I learn a long time ago, Concerning "Eulogizing" Funerals as a young pup. When I "Eulogize" someone laying below me. I PREACH JESUS! And Him Alone! God Taught me. I am The Captain and The COMMANDER in Chief of This show. And I let them know, If they cannot except this. They are most welcome to find another. Humbly, because to "Eulogize" a body whether you are their "pastor" or a 'Minister' you get paid! "Automatically" by The church, or by The Funeral Director or The Insurance company or the family. So you can get what you pay for. And this is "UNIVERSAL" whether you want it or not. unless you are some small time local assembly. And everyone is poor. then it is a "benevolence". But normally it is "Stipulated" in The Pastors Contract. "If we hired you, we can fire you", "If we voted you in, we can vote you out" And most churches have some "TOUGH DEACONS" they will throw you out on your head!

PS THE DEACONS always like me. and I like them. My grandfather was a deacon, my father became a Deacon, and deacons where always over my parents house, from a number of churches. My father could cook and "BAR B QUE" slaps of ribs, and the meat would fall off the bone, You could chew his meat without "Teeth" and thats the truth. he taught me too! I really love those old deacons of old school. And they warn me about "preachers" at first i didn't understand, but as i got older and grew then i understood. Oh how i loved those old men

 

[Shutterbug]

I understand, in this day and era everyone has their "OWN god" in whom they believe. And the BIBLE can fit anyones personal or their imaginary god to whom they believe in. It is called>
"EISEGESIS". And the Biblical Interpreters from the beginning knew this was going to be the out come. That is why the church killed thousands upon thousands of christians and their families for having a bible or a portion of scripture in their own common language. In defense of "Biblical TRUTH".

And the prophets of OLD have already declared it. "Prophecy" is True" and all will come to pass. Whether we understand it or not. GOD is JUST. Not Only is He a GOD of LOVE, HE also is a The GOD of JUSTICE! The "TETRAGRAMMATON'

Please understand I am not painting God the colour black as if He were evil. Eisegesis can occur over a period of time as well. The churches which you speak of were Roman Catholic churches under Queen Mary, and Protestant churches under Queen Elizabeth I. Much of It ended under the rule of King James I with occasional flare ups occurring. No argument that God desires we love each other, and He is indeed a god of rightful justice.

 

[PloughBoy]

Please understand I am not painting God the colour black as if He were evil. Eisegesis can occur over a period of time as well. The churches which you speak of were Roman Catholic churches under Queen Mary, and Protestant churches under Queen Elizabeth I. Much of It ended under the rule of King James I with occasional flare ups occurring. No argument that God desires we love each other, and He is indeed a god of rightful justice.

I understand "EISEGESIS" Seminary do not go for that, You would fail a class QUICK on the spot, kiss that $1500 to $2000 a class right then, out the door, no excuses, and then take it over again. that is one class, Everyone in Theological SEMINARY knows what "EISEGESIS" and "Plagiarism" because They are not playing that, you have no arguments no defense. unless you got the money to kiss to the wind and argue all you want. And then go to a uncredited "Bible College" then you can argue all you want. You can tell them what "eisegesis" is and what it is not, what "EXEGESIS' IS and what is not you can give your definitions, freely with no repercussions what so ever, Then with in about 4 years walk out with a degree in "Religious Studies' right along with TD JAKES, Creflo Dollar, and the rest.

Please don't speak about the "Reformation Period" unless you have at least 15 years of study into that drama. Are you "Reformed"? or A Historian in that era? Then ok lets chat. You mention Queen MARY of Scots or Bloody Mary, What about EDWARD and Charles before he was The Holy Royal Emperor then after. Because I am of "The REFORMED Faith" many of times referred as a "CALVINIST" and "JOHN KNOX" is one of my favored and "HUSS" whoa, And i know the whole history of the Roman Catholic church and all of its popes "The Reformation Period" and The Roman Empire and all of the Caesars and their mothers and uncles and daddies. I love "Biblical History" written by "AUTHORITATIVE" Authors and reliable sources. For this is a "GIFT" from GOD. and not by my own initiative. For i am dum as a box of rocks. Who could know every thing in my life concerning my love for the 14th century clear into the 19th century, the plays, all the trips i took to the "Institute of ARTS" The Pilgrims, My love for The Puritans as a kid. I remember years ago among "The QUAKERS' this quaker women, put her arms around me and hug me, She said, Oh my GOD, you are a true "Quaker:. yes she did. many things i have ponder in my life. Of such events. But I know we all, will see what GOD has for each and everyone of us. for HE Is shaping us, each vessel is shape for a special purpose in "Christ JESUS". For HE is molding each one now. And we all will have different Positions in "Christ JESUS" that will be "Manifested Through out Eternity"

Be careful how you build on earth. Are you trying to please mankind or are you pleasing to GOD! Who do you serve, the "Creature" or "The CREATOR"? we all must ask ourselves that constantly. And ask GOD if i am doing anything that is unpleasing to you and pleasing to mankind, if so, removed it, fall away from me, Just as far as the east is from the west. LORD do it, "Separated me from the unclean thing" Purify me and Sanctify me and make me "Holy"
For you are the Potter and we are the clay. Shape us mold us into what you, want us to be.

 

[Reba1]

There is a darker side to God and chances are telling people at a funeral their beloved mother or grandmother is experiencing perpetual torment with a brief reprieve to face judgement and to be thrown back in would go over like a lead balloon.

I understood what you were trying to say...

 

[PloughBoy]

Could you imagine acting the same way in "The Millennium" Period while you are ruling with Christ and you are doing a Funeral and you know this person is going to HELL, and you tell their love ones sweet words of comfort concerning their love ones. "Hypothetically Speaking" now. speaking lies, to be clear what i mean. Now if you think JESUS is Ok WITH THAT, I get it. But i am not going to lie! A lie is a LIE. If you think you are going to lie, keep your mouth close.

Like my wife, sometime I thought about questing my wife about something, Then i would think, no i am not going to ask her about this, because she might lie. And i do not want her to lie to me...... I look at her and laugh and then she would say what? I would say nothing. Then i would tell her what i was thinking. I am not going to ask you the question because i don't want you to lie........She go quiet.

 

[Garee]

2 Kings 17:35
For the LORD had made a covenant with the Israelites and commanded them, "Do not worship other gods or bow down to them; do not serve them or sacrifice to them.
Deuteronomy 6:5,14
And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might…
Romans 1:21
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Deuteronomy 28:14
Do not turn aside to the right or to the left from any of the words I command you today, and do not go after other gods to serve them.

I learn a long time ago, Concerning "Eulogizing" Funerals as a young pup. When I "Eulogize" someone laying below me. I PREACH JESUS! And Him Alone! God Taught me. I am The Captain and The COMMANDER in Chief of This show. And I let them know, If they cannot except this. They are most welcome to find another. Humbly, because to "Eulogize" a body whether you are their "pastor" or a 'Minister' you get paid! "Automatically" by The church, or by The Funeral Director or The Insurance company or the family. So you can get what you pay for. And this is "UNIVERSAL" whether you want it or not. unless you are some small time local assembly. And everyone is poor. then it is a "benevolence". But normally it is "Stipulated" in The Pastors Contract. "If we hired you, we can fire you", "If we voted you in, we can vote you out" And most churches have some "TOUGH DEACONS" they will throw you out on your head!

PS THE DEACONS always like me. and I like them. My grandfather was a deacon, my father became a Deacon, and deacons where always over my parents house, from a number of churches. My father could cook and "BAR B QUE" slaps of ribs, and the meat would fall off the bone, You could chew his meat without "Teeth" and thats the truth. he taught me too! I really love those old deacons of old school. And they warn me about "preachers" at first i didn't understand, but as i got older and grew then i understood. Oh how i loved those old men

I would offer. . Another case of misinterpretation seemingly seeking another teaching master other than sola scriptura , as it is written.

We live in a body of death. Alzheimer's is one of the familiar plagues of mankind just as loss of vison or hearing or trust or desire to even move. or other plagues spoken of in Chapter 11 of Ecclesiastics .

Universal Alzheimer's . teaching us to count your blessing of God and therefore remember or act in accordance to before those plagues set in.

A picture of the gospel news awakening our love for Him . I think you could say. . Do it now while we are empowered .(in the days of thy youth) or today if we hear his voice we can enter that rest.

A beautiful parable given below

Ecclesiastes 12:1-7 King James Version Remember now thy Creator in the days of thy youth, while the evil days come not, nor the years draw nigh, when thou shalt say, I have no pleasure in them;While the sun, or the light, or the moon, or the stars, be not darkened, nor the clouds return after the rain:
In the day when the keepers of the house shall tremble, and the strong men shall bow themselves, and the grinders cease because they are few, and those that look out of the windows be darkened, And the doors shall be shut in the streets, when the sound of the grinding is low, and he shall rise up at the voice of the bird, and all the daughters of musick shall be brought low; Also when they shall be afraid of that which is high, and fears shall be in the way, and the almond tree shall flourish, and the grasshopper shall be a burden, and desire shall fail: because man goeth to his long home, and the mourners go about the streets:Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern. Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Those who were born again of a new spirit and heart they will rise and receive their promised new incorruptible body

Their memory of the things here will not be remembered or ever come to mind . The oral traditions a law of the fathers present new demonic opportunities , The new innovations Limbo as well as Purgatory doctrine s as commandments of men that does despite to the fullness of Christ grace the price we are bought with venerable men teaching mankind that only this queen of heaven has the received the fullness again the price of salvation . they must teach the rest a leaving them wondering . and no end to faith the salvation of the soul The one heresy spoken of that is damnable or one that is in dire need of the light of the gospel (sola scriptura)

Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

It is a good thing that our memory of them before us is not forgotten . That would make a interesting picture of chaos and confusion.. ?

Memory one of the betters gifts. Seems to taken for granted by some.

We can thank God that not only does he teach us, guide us and comfort but powerfully miraculously brings to our memory the things he previously taught giving us a living faith or hope .

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

He sets that law above up as a example below as the keeper of memories .He will not share his teaching authority with corrupted mankind . . flesh and blood. .

1 Corinthians 15:2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

 

[PloughBoy]

I would offer. . Another case of misinterpretation seemingly seeking another teaching master other than sola scriptura , as it is written.

We live in a body of death. Alzheimer's is one of the familiar plagues of mankind just as loss of vison or hearing or trust or desire to even move. or other plagues spoken of in Chapter 11 of Ecclesiastics .

Universal Alzheimer's . teaching us to count your blessing of God and therefore remember or act in accordance to before those plagues set in.

A picture of the gospel news awakening our love for Him . I think you could say. . Do it now while we are empowered .(in the days of thy youth) or today if we hear his voice we can enter that rest.

A beautiful parable given below

Ecclesiastes 12:1-7 King James Version Remember now thy Creator in the days of thy youth, while the evil days come not, nor the years draw nigh, when thou shalt say, I have no pleasure in them;While the sun, or the light, or the moon, or the stars, be not darkened, nor the clouds return after the rain:
In the day when the keepers of the house shall tremble, and the strong men shall bow themselves, and the grinders cease because they are few, and those that look out of the windows be darkened, And the doors shall be shut in the streets, when the sound of the grinding is low, and he shall rise up at the voice of the bird, and all the daughters of musick shall be brought low; Also when they shall be afraid of that which is high, and fears shall be in the way, and the almond tree shall flourish, and the grasshopper shall be a burden, and desire shall fail: because man goeth to his long home, and the mourners go about the streets:Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern. Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Those who were born again of a new spirit and heart they will rise and receive their promised new incorruptible body

Their memory of the things here will not be remembered or ever come to mind . The oral traditions a law of the fathers present new demonic opportunities , The new innovations Limbo as well as Purgatory doctrine s as commandments of men that does despite to the fullness of Christ grace the price we are bought with venerable men teaching mankind that only this queen of heaven has the received the fullness again the price of salvation . they must teach the rest a leaving them wondering . and no end to faith the salvation of the soul The one heresy spoken of that is damnable or one that is in dire need of the light of the gospel (sola scriptura)

Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

It is a good thing that our memory of them before us is not forgotten . That would make a interesting picture of chaos and confusion.. ?

Memory one of the betters gifts. Seems to taken for granted by some.

We can thank God that not only does he teach us, guide us and comfort but powerfully miraculously brings to our memory the things he previously taught giving us a living faith or hope .

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

He sets that law above up as a example below as the keeper of memories .He will not share his teaching authority with corrupted mankind . . flesh and blood. .

1 Corinthians 15:2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

???? sorry I have no idea where you going with this. really what "Seminary" you went too or what form of "Hermeneutics" you use. or what kind of "religious studies" you study under. I cannot see no order in what you are trying to get across. nothing systematic. My field of study is orderly "Theology Proper" and a hint of "Covenant Theology" so now you know my field and where i am coming from. And Historical Grammatical Hermeneutics" not critical Grammatical.

So my understand of the text is universal world wide. by my field of orderly "interpretation" of the Text! So by knowing this you know how i stand. And I stand with the "The Chicago Statement on Biblical inerrancy" 1986, I have have a thread here on "TALKJESUS" how I view The Original COPIED Manuscript of The Bible. So you know how I come to all my conclusion of "The BIBLICAL TEXT".

You may show your field study, and how you come to the conclusion of your interpretations of The Bible text. So far you have let me know by some of your views that you are "Pelagian" in your religious view point. For many consider me "Calvinistic' but I say more Augustinian. in my "Theological views" and I am not Religious in my views points. I am "Theo" - "Logical".

I hope that clear up a lot of things between the two of us. Help us how to address one another. Since you know now i don't study religion or view the text in a religious way but "Theologically" Theology Proper, and Covenant Theology.

 

[PloughBoy]

I would offer. . Another case of misinterpretation seemingly seeking another teaching master other than sola scriptura , as it is written.

We live in a body of death. Alzheimer's is one of the familiar plagues of mankind just as loss of vison or hearing or trust or desire to even move. or other plagues spoken of in Chapter 11 of Ecclesiastics .

Universal Alzheimer's . teaching us to count your blessing of God and therefore remember or act in accordance to before those plagues set in.

A picture of the gospel news awakening our love for Him . I think you could say. . Do it now while we are empowered .(in the days of thy youth) or today if we hear his voice we can enter that rest.

A beautiful parable given below

Ecclesiastes 12:1-7 King James Version Remember now thy Creator in the days of thy youth, while the evil days come not, nor the years draw nigh, when thou shalt say, I have no pleasure in them;While the sun, or the light, or the moon, or the stars, be not darkened, nor the clouds return after the rain:
In the day when the keepers of the house shall tremble, and the strong men shall bow themselves, and the grinders cease because they are few, and those that look out of the windows be darkened, And the doors shall be shut in the streets, when the sound of the grinding is low, and he shall rise up at the voice of the bird, and all the daughters of musick shall be brought low; Also when they shall be afraid of that which is high, and fears shall be in the way, and the almond tree shall flourish, and the grasshopper shall be a burden, and desire shall fail: because man goeth to his long home, and the mourners go about the streets:Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern. Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Those who were born again of a new spirit and heart they will rise and receive their promised new incorruptible body

Their memory of the things here will not be remembered or ever come to mind . The oral traditions a law of the fathers present new demonic opportunities , The new innovations Limbo as well as Purgatory doctrine s as commandments of men that does despite to the fullness of Christ grace the price we are bought with venerable men teaching mankind that only this queen of heaven has the received the fullness again the price of salvation . they must teach the rest a leaving them wondering . and no end to faith the salvation of the soul The one heresy spoken of that is damnable or one that is in dire need of the light of the gospel (sola scriptura)

Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

It is a good thing that our memory of them before us is not forgotten . That would make a interesting picture of chaos and confusion.. ?

Memory one of the betters gifts. Seems to taken for granted by some.

We can thank God that not only does he teach us, guide us and comfort but powerfully miraculously brings to our memory the things he previously taught giving us a living faith or hope .

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

He sets that law above up as a example below as the keeper of memories .He will not share his teaching authority with corrupted mankind . . flesh and blood. .

1 Corinthians 15:2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

I kept reading your post over and over again, I got it what you are talking about well spoken!

 

[Garee]

???? sorry I have no idea where you going with this. really what "Seminary" you went too or what form of "Hermeneutics" you use. or what kind of "religious studies" you study under. I cannot see no order in what you are trying to get across. nothing systematic. My field of study is orderly "Theology Proper" and a hint of "Covenant Theology" so now you know my field and where i am coming from. And Historical Grammatical Hermeneutics" not critical Grammatical.

So my understand of the text is universal world wide. by my field of orderly "interpretation" of the Text! So by knowing this you know how i stand. And I stand with the "The Chicago Statement on Biblical inerrancy" 1986, I have have a thread here on "TALKJESUS" how I view The Original COPIED Manuscript of The Bible. So you know how I come to all my conclusion of "The BIBLICAL TEXT".

You may show your field study, and how you come to the conclusion of your interpretations of The Bible text. So far you have let me know by some of your views that you are "Pelagian" in your religious view point. For many consider me "Calvinistic' but I say more Augustinian. in my "Theological views" and I am not Religious in my views points. I am "Theo" - "Logical".

I hope that clear up a lot of things between the two of us. Help us how to address one another. Since you know now i don't study religion or view the text in a religious way but "Theologically" Theology Proper, and Covenant Theology.

Thanks for the reply .

I have not studied the different ancient oral traditions in that way, as universal world wide the orthodoxy . There are many sects . The Bible declares there must be heresies as personal opinions, or private commentaries amongst us seeing the kingdom of God does not come by walking by sight after the temporal things seen .

I would describe my understanding as as reforming a restoring process. This is knowing if Christ has begun the good teaching authority he will continue to work with me till the last day . (Philippians 1:6)

I for one am a slower learner. In my early in life I saw no value in a education .All I needed was a Job . I wish of would of paid attention as it seems you have, its a great blessing

I hated English and should take a class for teaching the older dogs .

I lean more toward what some call the Amil position, the signified language of parables .It like others fits more than one ism . I think at one time both Calvinism and the apposing Catholicism both used the Amil position (No literal interpretation) the camps are divided different ways or subways. Today we have dispensationalism among others.

Revelation 1King James Version 1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: