What would of happen if the Jews did not Reject Jesus?

[Dave M]

What would of happen if the Jews did not Reject Jesus?

they go from proclaiming him to be king

John 12:13
So they took branches of palm trees and went out to meet him, crying out, “Hosanna! Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord, even the King of Israel!”


to crucify him , mocking him

Luke 23:35-37
And the people stood by, watching, but the rulers scoffed at him, saying, “He saved others; let him save himself, if he is the Christ of God, his Chosen One!” The soldiers also mocked him, coming up and offering him sour wine and saying, “If you are the King of the Jews, save yourself!”

 

[Christ4Ever]

But although He had done so many signs before them, they did not believe in Him, that the word of Isaiah the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spoke: "Lord, who has believed our report? And to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed?" Therefore they could not believe, because Isaiah said again: "He has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts, Lest they should see with [their] eyes, Lest they should understand with [their] hearts and turn, So that I should heal them." These things Isaiah said when he saw His glory and spoke of Him. John 12:37-41 NKJV

 

[Dave M]

this question came from a recent discussion I was having, and my buddy said if the Jews did not reject Jesus they would of went right into the millennium, I had never heard that before got me thinking. That cant be so, how would the sins of the world be forgiven if they went into the millennium right away, makes not sense to me

 

[DanielVision]

this question came from a recent discussion I was having, and my buddy said if the Jews did not reject Jesus they would of went right into the millennium, I had never heard that before got me thinking. That cant be so, how would the sins of the world be forgiven if they went into the millennium right away, makes not sense to me

What would of happen if the Jews did not Reject Jesus?

they go from proclaiming him to be king

John 12:13
So they took branches of palm trees and went out to meet him, crying out, “Hosanna! Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord, even the King of Israel!”


to crucify him , mocking him

Luke 23:35-37
And the people stood by, watching, but the rulers scoffed at him, saying, “He saved others; let him save himself, if he is the Christ of God, his Chosen One!” The soldiers also mocked him, coming up and offering him sour wine and saying, “If you are the King of the Jews, save yourself!”

I like this question. Makes us think deep. I've always pondered what if the house of Judah never sinned and wasn't taken captive by Babylon? Well then Nebchadnezzar would never have come to the truth of God and he wouldn't have proclaimed it throughout the whole world. I wonder how many people were saved because Judah sinned and went to a gentile country. First to the Jew then to the Gentile.. interesting how God uses all things for good.

 

[Reba1]

The whole of time from the Garden to the Cross and now also was/is God's plan. We people, Jew or Gentile are the chess pieces and He the Master

 

[KingJ]

What would of happen if the Jews did not Reject Jesus?

Jesus was a lamb to the slaughter Isa 53:7. If the Jews and Romans were not the wolves, there would have been others. There is no shortage of wolves.

 

[KingJ]

this question came from a recent discussion I was having, and my buddy said if the Jews did not reject Jesus they would of went right into the millennium, I had never heard that before got me thinking. That cant be so, how would the sins of the world be forgiven if they went into the millennium right away, makes not sense to me

If the Jews did not crucify but instead supported Jesus, they would had suffered the same fate as the early Christians.

 

[Reba1]

As i understand the Scripture the Jewish leaders at the time of Christ had about as much 'choice' and Pharaoh did at the time of the Exodus.

 

[KingJ]

As i understand the Scripture the Jewish leaders at the time of Christ had about as much 'choice' and Pharaoh did at the time of the Exodus.

Don't form a belief from a play on cherry picked words. Try see the full picture. Pharoah and Jews who crucified Jesus operated with 100% free will.

 

[PloughBoy]

(John 6).
15Jesus therefore perceiving that they were intending to come and take Him by force, to make Him king, withdrew again to the mountain by Himself alone.
John 18:36
Jesus answered, "My kingdom is not of this world; if it were, My servants would fight to prevent My arrest by the Jews. But now My kingdom is not of this realm."
King James Bible
Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king.

And regarding the Tread's title: "What would of happen if the Jews did not Reject Jesus?" It would be the Will of "The Sovereign GOD". Everything that has and will come to pass has been so "Ordain" by "The GOD ALMIGHTY", for HIS purpose. God is nothing like a human being, neither does He has a Brain, that He has to think. remember, the world is not runinng around with no exact order, or no "Sovereign". Jesus death was ordered by and design by "The GOD ALMIGHTY".

 

[Reba1]

Don't form a belief from a play on cherry picked words. Try see the full picture. Pharoah and Jews who crucified Jesus operated with 100% free will.

Exo_4:21 And the LORD said unto Moses, When thou goest to return into Egypt, see that thou do all those wonders before Pharaoh, which I have put in thine hand: but I will harden his heart, that he shall not let the people go.
Exo_7:3 And I will harden Pharaoh's heart, and multiply my signs and my wonders in the land of Egypt.
Exo_14:4 And I will harden Pharaoh's heart, that he shall follow after them; and I will be honoured upon Pharaoh, and upon all his host; that the Egyptians may know that I am the LORD. And they did so.

I do not believe God's plans' depend on mans free will. It was not by chance Jesus the babe was born when He was . Was if Elizabeth's free will that John the Baptist was conceived when he was? Or that Caesar called for a censes. Was it Paul's free will to be blind/ It was not free will that 'this generation' ended about 70 AD.

For about 40 years i accepted God's creation was under the realm of mans free will , no longer.

 

[PloughBoy]

Mankind lost the freedom to Choose the things of GOD in the "Garden of Eden". Yes He has a "freedom of His will" but His will is to choose death instead of Life! So how can a Human being have The freedom of HIs Will when He is in the "Bondage of SIN"! "Bondage is not Freedom" "a slave to SIN". A slave is in BONDAGE. A slave to sin has not freedom of their own will! They have a Master! and That Master is Sin.

Jesus came to set you free from the Bondage of Sin! He bought and purchased some of us by His blood. And Now we have Become HIS Slave! That is why we called Him Master and LORD! That means you are a Slave, not a servant. Not your will be done, but His will be done. And His will is for you to Obey Him! Now you have a choice, think, Now who are you, into Bondage with? And do you think you are free? "you cannot have two masters" You cannot fool GOD. and 99 1/2 ain't going to get it, whether you in or out. One leg on the other side of the fence, Don't take the chance, I don't care what that Preacher say! it is not worth it or worrying about it, if Jesus has set you free from the bondage of sin, why go back in it?

Why go back in Gossiping, lying, slandering, adulteries, fornicating, stealing, going back to parties, planting discords, talking and having intimate conversations with those who are not your spouses. taking counsel form those who are the ungodly, everyone who are not "born of GOD" are the ungodly! And those who are Born of God and try to lead you into ungodly practices, Rebuke them hard in the name of Jesus, right there! And after you do, do not gossip about it or slander their name! But you go to your Father in secret prayer. But you must rebuke them right then hard! In the Name of Jesus, and stop being nice! Love is a Act of correction and not a act of slander and shaming! In which a lot of Christians enjoy. I have met a lot who has done so. And I corrected a many of christian who has slander and gossip about another brother in Christ. And I rebuke them Very Hard, for their slandering and gossiping about another brother fall to me.

"for satan is the accuser of the brother's in Christ" and some way or another we all stumbles and falls, some hard, some lightly. Traps are laid out for the "sons of GOD" by enemies and friendlies of the faith.

Berean Study Bible
Even my close friend whom I trusted, the one who shared my bread, has lifted up his heel against me.

(KJV)
For it was not an enemy that reproached me; then I could have borne it: neither was it he that hated me that did magnify himself against me; then I would have hid myself from him:
But it was thou, a man mine equal, my guide, and mine acquaintance.
We took sweet counsel together, and walked unto the house of God in company.

 

[KingJ]

Exo_4:21 And the LORD said unto Moses, When thou goest to return into Egypt, see that thou do all those wonders before Pharaoh, which I have put in thine hand: but I will harden his heart, that he shall not let the people go.
Exo_7:3 And I will harden Pharaoh's heart, and multiply my signs and my wonders in the land of Egypt.
Exo_14:4 And I will harden Pharaoh's heart, that he shall follow after them; and I will be honoured upon Pharaoh, and upon all his host; that the Egyptians may know that I am the LORD. And they did so.

I do not believe God's plans' depend on mans free will. It was not by chance Jesus the babe was born when He was . Was if Elizabeth's free will that John the Baptist was conceived when he was? Or that Caesar called for a censes. Was it Paul's free will to be blind/ It was not free will that 'this generation' ended about 70 AD.

For about 40 years i accepted God's creation was under the realm of mans free will , no longer.

All can be forgiven for thinking there is no true free will. Scripture says God is sovereign, omniscient, omnipotent and as you showed there is scripture that talks to hearts being hardened. But a ''Christian'' should know better.

When you cherry pick a verse like ''God hardened a heart''' how are you any better then the devil in Matt 4 ''Jump and angels will catch you''.

It is ''also'' written

1. God is good Psalm 136:1, God is righteous in all His ways Psalm 145:17, God is light with no darkness in Him at all 1 John 1:5.
2. Acts 10:34 God is impartial.
3. John 3:16 Jesus died for all mankind

You espouse God is wicked when you propose there is no true free will. Note how David needed to tell the people that God is good. They must have believed God was wicked or a mix of good and wicked. Note how Peter starts Acts 10:34 with ''of a truth I perceive'' as though it was a truth revealed to Him, not something obvious.

A thinking man would also grasp where all the evidence points. God making Himself a Lamb to the slaughter. Making earth and allowing evil, something He utterly hates to take place. This all points to God making free will a reality.

If God can limit His omnipotence to allow for evil to take place, so too can He limit His omniscience to allow for all babies and children under twenty to have an equal opportunity at choosing heaven or hell.

Anything less then true free will is wicked. God is not wicked. He is light with no darkness in Him at all 1 John 1:5. Move on, try better understand God instead of placing Him in a box, derived from a few cherry picked scriptures.

Miss-representing God to the lost for a Christian is a very serious matter. We are on earth to be His ambassadors.

 

[KingJ]

Mankind lost the freedom to Choose the things of GOD in the "Garden of Eden". Yes He has a "freedom of His will" but His will is to choose death instead of Life! So how can a Human being have The freedom of HIs Will when He is in the "Bondage of SIN"! "Bondage is not Freedom" "a slave to SIN". A slave is in BONDAGE. A slave to sin has not freedom of their own will! They have a Master! and That Master is Sin.

Jesus came to set you free from the Bondage of Sin! He bought and purchased some of us by His blood. And Now we have Become HIS Slave! That is why we called Him Master and LORD! That means you are a Slave, not a servant. Not your will be done, but His will be done. And His will is for you to Obey Him! Now you have a choice, think, Now who are you, into Bondage with? And do you think you are free? "you cannot have two masters" You cannot fool GOD. and 99 1/2 ain't going to get it, whether you in or out. One leg on the other side of the fence, Don't take the chance, I don't care what that Preacher say! it is not worth it or worrying about it, if Jesus has set you free from the bondage of sin, why go back in it?

Why go back in Gossiping, lying, slandering, adulteries, fornicating, stealing, going back to parties, planting discords, talking and having intimate conversations with those who are not your spouses. taking counsel form those who are the ungodly, everyone who are not "born of GOD" are the ungodly! And those who are Born of God and try to lead you into ungodly practices, Rebuke them hard in the name of Jesus, right there! And after you do, do not gossip about it or slander their name! But you go to your Father in secret prayer. But you must rebuke them right then hard! In the Name of Jesus, and stop being nice! Love is a Act of correction and not a act of slander and shaming! In which a lot of Christians enjoy. I have met a lot who has done so. And I corrected a many of christian who has slander and gossip about another brother in Christ. And I rebuke them Very Hard, for their slandering and gossiping about another brother fall to me.

"for satan is the accuser of the brother's in Christ" and some way or another we all stumbles and falls, some hard, some lightly. Traps are laid out for the "sons of GOD" by enemies and friendlies of the faith.

Berean Study Bible
Even my close friend whom I trusted, the one who shared my bread, has lifted up his heel against me.

(KJV)
For it was not an enemy that reproached me; then I could have borne it: neither was it he that hated me that did magnify himself against me; then I would have hid myself from him:
But it was thou, a man mine equal, my guide, and mine acquaintance.
We took sweet counsel together, and walked unto the house of God in company.

Mankind has free will now, free will in heaven and free will in hell.

Jesus says only God is good Mark 10:18. Do you think you will be as good as God in heaven? Do you think you stop sinning in heaven?

Why do you think we will judge angels in heaven? 1 Cor 6:3.

What was the difference between sinners in Abrahams bosom and sinners on the other side in Hades? Both the rich man and lazarus were sinners.

People choose to go to hell when they choose to not repent. They choose to love the darkness.

John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil .

 

[Garee]

this question came from a recent discussion I was having, and my buddy said if the Jews did not reject Jesus they would of went right into the millennium, I had never heard that before got me thinking. That cant be so, how would the sins of the world be forgiven if they went into the millennium right away, makes not sense to me

I think its how the phrase "whole world" is used throughout the Bible. It would include the Jewish world believing faithfull and unbelieving athiestic Jews .

If any man has not the born again Spirit of Christ they simply do not belong to Christ. God is not served by corrupted human hands as a will . Its His will that works in us emporeing us to belive as a living faith the hope of our new incoruptible bodies .which all die hacing not received. Hebrew 11:40

 

[Hekuran]

Interesting question. Here's my thoughts.

Jesus came at a time when the nation of Israel was in tatters.

God set aside Abraham and his descendants to be his chosen people -- they were to be blessed, receive God's favour and to lead all the peoples of the world to God's bless. Apart from a brief period under the Kings David and Solomon, Israel failed in its calling. Very often its behaviour was worse than the behaviour of its neighbours. So ten of the twelve tribes destroyed, the remaining two taken to exile in Babylon, and an unspectacular return. John the Baptist arrives while they are resisting Roman occupation, warning the people to repent because (again) disaster is at hand.

When Jesus begins his ministry, he announces that the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand. If all the people had listened to him, from the poorest to the most powerful, they would have repented and reformed their national life on the principles set out in the Sermon on the Mount.

Jesus never counselled resistance to Rome (love your enemies), but his claim to be king was a direct assault on the Roman Emperor's lordship. There's only two options. Either the Roman powers acknowledge Jesus as Lord and submit to him, or they kill him.

If they submitted to Jesus, then he would establish a light to all nations; the whole world blessed and fruitful under his reign.

How we would get from there to Jesus conquering the power of death, I don't know.

 

[Reba1]

I like this question. Makes us think deep. I've always pondered what if the house of Judah never sinned and wasn't taken captive by Babylon? Well then Nebchadnezzar would never have come to the truth of God and he wouldn't have proclaimed it throughout the whole world. I wonder how many people were saved because Judah sinned and went to a gentile country. First to the Jew then to the Gentile.. interesting how God uses all things for good.

God's will is done.

 

[Reba1]

Mankind has free will now, free will in heaven and free will in hell.

Jesus says only God is good Mark 10:18. Do you think you will be as good as God in heaven? Do you think you stop sinning in heaven?

Why do you think we will judge angels in heaven? 1 Cor 6:3.

What was the difference between sinners in Abrahams bosom and sinners on the other side in Hades? Both the rich man and lazarus were sinners.

People choose to go to hell when they choose to not repent. They choose to love the darkness.

John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil .

We will disagree on on mans free will. In the belief we are are saved by Grace I am a sinner pulled out of the pit by Him alone. Psa_40:2 He brought me up also out of an horrible pit, out of the miry clay, and set my feet upon a rock, and established my goings.

 

[KingJ]

We will disagree on on mans free will. In the belief we are are saved by Grace I am a sinner pulled out of the pit by Him alone. Psa_40:2 He brought me up also out of an horrible pit, out of the miry clay, and set my feet upon a rock, and established my goings.

There is no smiley on this disagreement. It is utterly shocking that one called a brother in Christ teach and believe God show preference to anyone. I can promise you that we have had different revelations of Jesus that lead us to God.

Acts 10:34 God shows NO partiality.

 

[complete]

this question came from a recent discussion I was having, and my buddy said if the Jews did not reject Jesus they would of went right into the millennium, I had never heard that before got me thinking. That cant be so, how would the sins of the world be forgiven if they went into the millennium right away, makes not sense to me

Hello @Dave M,

God knew, by His foreknowledge, that they would not repent, He chose a remnant who would believe as a firstfruit of what was to come (Romans 9 and 11), but Israel as a nation had to be given full opportunity to repent, and so during the 40 years of the Acts period the Twelve Apostles particularly ministered to them. Paul also sought to persuade them from the Scriptures that Jesus, now having died and been raised to life once more, was the Christ Whom had been promised would come. Yet they continued in their unbelief, and finally salvation was sent to the Gentiles in Acts 28:28, and Israel went away into the darkness of unbelief (temporarily), until the times of the Gentiles will have run it's course.

Peter told them in Acts 3:18-21, that if they repented Christ would be returned to them, but God knew that they would not, and had provisioned for that eventuality. All was in accordance with God's will, that His purposes may be accomplished.

Praise His Holy Name!

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris