Why don't you give him a chance to answer your questions before spouting off and criticizing him.
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Why don't you give him a chance to answer your questions before spouting off and criticizing him.
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What? I don't have the same right to opine? Attacking me by saying I am "spouting off" is not kind.
I am waiting for the response just like you are.
God bless you.
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It won't happen again because when Jesus was crucified, it was as the God-man. When He returns , it will be as God-King.
"For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves." (Col 1:13 NIV)
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You do but why is it criticizing when others do it and "opine" when you do it?
Seems you have two standards Ophel.
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Good question!
I have seen people claim they were only to want to manipulate others (evidence of a no).
I have seen people claim they were only to get the numbers up in the church (another evidence of a no)
I have seen people claim they were but were socially degrading towards others (another evidence of a no)
And etc. etc.
I share all this for you to see that bad fruit cannot grow on a good tree. A good tree cannot produce bad fruit. A good tree only produces good fruit!
So when the good fruit is there you will know it 1000% because its God who is moving that individual and not Mr. self , the devil!
Its called discernment, discerning of the spirit. Test the spirit!
1Jn 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
That try is a very good word. Do you not agree?
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This reminds me of a quote I've seen attributed to Margaret Thatcher on the subject of humility: "Being humble is like being a lady. If you have to tell people you are, you probably aren't!"
"By their fruit you will know them." (Mt 7:16)
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You quoted Luke 21:8 and I totally agree with you. But the question I ask you is this. Can you really honestly believe that every single one that comes in His Name is false? The answer is 'No'. Luke 21:8 actually says that 'many shall come', not 'all that comes in His Name'. Do you believe that Martin Luther is false? Do you believe that John Wesley is false? They came in His Name. We have counterfeit money today. Does this mean all money is false. Of course not because you have to have real money in order for there to be counterfeit money. In Eqypt you find Jannes and Jambres who were false but we find Moses who was true. We find the 450 prophets of Baal who were false but we find Elijah who was true. So I stress again that not everyone who comes in His Name is false.
I might like to add that I haven't even said yet who this prophet is and yet you have already said, in so many words, that I am misled and speaking against scripture. I feel it is much wiser to know exactly what you are criticising rather than just turning it away because it doesn't tie up with what you believe. I don't claim to know everything but I am just so thankful the Lord has opened my eyes. It's all grace!
Now, I said that the Lord has come in the way the disciples seen Him go and I believe this is true. The question is 'how did He go'? In Acts it says a cloud received Him out of their sight. So if He went in a cloud then He will come back in a cloud. Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever! Before I say when this happened, I have another question. How do you know Jesus hasn't come again? God has always come in the way people least expect. None of us should ever expect Him to come in a certain way because that's the way we think He should come or the way some renowned preacher thinks He should come or what a church teaches. The pharisees and sadducees expected the Messiah to come in the way they thought He should come and they utterly and completely missed Him a million miles. The same has happened today!
Anyway, to get to the point, the Lord came down in a cloud on February 28, 1963. Not in a physical form, I might add. That will be to the Jews. The Life magazine even wrote an article about this cloud on 17 May 1963 simply because this cloud was 26 miles high (where no clouds can ever be formed) and 30 miles wide. The prophet was caught up into this cloud and was commissioned to open the Seven Seals of Revelation. Basically restore the Word as was prophesied in the New Testament.
God Bless!
You quoted Luke 21:8 and I totally agree with you. But the question I ask you is this. Can you really honestly believe that every single one that comes in His Name is false? The answer is 'No'. Luke 21:8 actually says that 'many shall come', not 'all that comes in His Name'. Do you believe that Martin Luther is false? Do you believe that John Wesley is false? They came in His Name. We have counterfeit money today. Does this mean all money is false. Of course not because you have to have real money in order for there to be counterfeit money. In Eqypt you find Jannes and Jambres who were false but we find Moses who was true. We find the 450 prophets of Baal who were false but we find Elijah who was true. So I stress again that not everyone who comes in His Name is false.
I might like to add that I haven't even said yet who this prophet is and yet you have already said, in so many words, that I am misled and speaking against scripture. I feel it is much wiser to know exactly what you are criticising rather than just turning it away because it doesn't tie up with what you believe. I don't claim to know everything but I am just so thankful the Lord has opened my eyes. It's all grace!
Now, I said that the Lord has come in the way the disciples seen Him go and I believe this is true. The question is 'how did He go'? In Acts it says a cloud received Him out of their sight. So if He went in a cloud then He will come back in a cloud. Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever! Before I say when this happened, I have another question. How do you know Jesus hasn't come again? God has always come in the way people least expect. None of us should ever expect Him to come in a certain way because that's the way we think He should come or the way some renowned preacher thinks He should come or what a church teaches. The pharisees and sadducees expected the Messiah to come in the way they thought He should come and they utterly and completely missed Him a million miles. The same has happened today!
Anyway, to get to the point, the Lord came down in a cloud on February 28, 1963. Not in a physical form, I might add. That will be to the Jews. The Life magazine even wrote an article about this cloud on 17 May 1963 simply because this cloud was 26 miles high (where no clouds can ever be formed) and 30 miles wide. The prophet was caught up into this cloud and was commissioned to open the Seven Seals of Revelation. Basically restore the Word as was prophesied in the New Testament.
God Bless!
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2Pe 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
Who, who they?
2Ti 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.
Who, who they?
Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Who, who they?
Rom 16:18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
Who, who they?
Eph 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
who, who they?
Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Who, who they?
2Ti 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.
Who, who they?
Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Who, who they?
Rom 16:18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
Who, who they?
Eph 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
who, who they?
Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
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The meaning of Luke 21:8...
Luke 21:8
He replied, “Don’t let anyone mislead you, for many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and saying, ‘The time has come!’ But don’t believe them.
If someone is saying, "I am the Messiah" we are not to believe him. If anyone is saying, "Look, he says he is the Messiah and I believe him and you should, too!" then we are not to believe that, either. Keep your wits about you. It is only ONE sign of the BEGINNING of the end that these false people should arise.
I know that Jesus has not come again because I have not seen Him. We will all see Him and we shall all know Him. Jesus has not come, and therefore people who claim He has come fall into the false category mentioned in Luke 21:8 and everything they say should be summarily dismissed.
We all expect Jesus to return as He has promised us He would come--with a SHOUT! Have you seen Him and heard that shout?
Life magazine! Sorry, I have to laugh. That is Branham stuff! We are to be very careful about who we listen to and especially when mysticism comes into the picture--that is something we need to steer clear of completely! That is of Satan and he will use it to deceive those who are easy prey---those who are easily influenced by such tales. Be strong and learn to follow after what Jesus says--rejecting false Christs and false reports! Only Holy Spirit can help you with that. Ask Him for wisdom and he will give it generously!
James 1:5
If you need wisdom, ask our generous God, and he will give it to you. He will not rebuke you for asking.
Jesus is still with the Father and still building His Church. When God tells His Son, "Go, get your Bride!", then and only then will He come! NO ONE IN THE BODY OF CHRIST will make any mistake about it, for He will come for the Bride.
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I believe the Lord has descended already and has come down in His fulness and is revealing Himself even now in His Word through His prophet. It is not a physical coming but it is a spiritual coming. I have encountered the Lord by hearing Him through His prophet. As for me ascending, I certainly haven't done that physically. For one thing, I am not a prophet. Spiritually I have ascended as the Bible does say that we are seated in heavenly places. But one day I will physically rise to the sky in a new body when He takes His Bride in a rapture.
As for Saul's encounter, I'm not sure to which encounter you are referring. Is it when He met Jesus on the road to Damascus or when he went to the third heaven?
I believe the Lord has descended already and has come down in His fulness and is revealing Himself even now in His Word through His prophet. It is not a physical coming but it is a spiritual coming. I have encountered the Lord by hearing Him through His prophet. As for me ascending, I certainly haven't done that physically. For one thing, I am not a prophet. Spiritually I have ascended as the Bible does say that we are seated in heavenly places. But one day I will physically rise to the sky in a new body when He takes His Bride in a rapture.
As for Saul's encounter, I'm not sure to which encounter you are referring. Is it when He met Jesus on the road to Damascus or when he went to the third heaven?
You seem to refer that there is just one prophet, why is that? Who is this prophet you refer to?
The encounter with Christ is the one I was referring to.
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I would have you know that William Branham has never ever claimed he was the Messiah. So therefore Luke 21:8 does not even apply.
You asked if I have heard the 'Shout'. Yes, I have. That 'Shout' is a message, a message which God has sent though His Word prophet William Branham to pull out a Bride for His Name's sake in this Laodicean Church Age. I know you will undoubtedly disagree with this but it is the truth regardless!
God does not do things according to how we think. His ways are higher than our ways and His thoughts are higher than our thoughts. God does not fit Himself into our plans and programmes. We have to fit into His. The Lord does nothing excepts he first reveals it to His servants the prophets. Believe His prophets, so shall ye prosper.
As for your comments about William Branham saying it is mysticism and of Satan. With all due respect, this is careless and quite dangerous talk. Did you know that the 'religious' people 2,000 thousand years ago called Jesus 'Beelzebub'? Are you saying that this 'Branham stuff' is not to be adhered to because you have heard it for yourself by listening to His messages and reading them? Or did you hear about it from your church or read about it on some website which condemns it out of hand?
I think it would better if you found out for yourself whether these things are so.
I would have you know that William Branham has never ever claimed he was the Messiah. So therefore Luke 21:8 does not even apply.
You asked if I have heard the 'Shout'. Yes, I have. That 'Shout' is a message, a message which God has sent though His Word prophet William Branham to pull out a Bride for His Name's sake in this Laodicean Church Age. I know you will undoubtedly disagree with this but it is the truth regardless!
God does not do things according to how we think. His ways are higher than our ways and His thoughts are higher than our thoughts. God does not fit Himself into our plans and programmes. We have to fit into His. The Lord does nothing excepts he first reveals it to His servants the prophets. Believe His prophets, so shall ye prosper.
As for your comments about William Branham saying it is mysticism and of Satan. With all due respect, this is careless and quite dangerous talk. Did you know that the 'religious' people 2,000 thousand years ago called Jesus 'Beelzebub'? Are you saying that this 'Branham stuff' is not to be adhered to because you have heard it for yourself by listening to His messages and reading them? Or did you hear about it from your church or read about it on some website which condemns it out of hand?
I think it would better if you found out for yourself whether these things are so.
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God only speaks through one prophet at any one time. More than one would just bring confusion. My last post says who the prophet is as you will have already seen.
Paul's encounter with Jesus was certainly a life changing experience. I'm not actually quite sure what you really wanted me to say about this. This was not an occasion where either Jesus or Paul ascended or descended. This, to me, was just the start of Paul's conversion to Christianity and the first stepping stone to bringing salvation to the gentiles.
God only speaks through one prophet at any one time. More than one would just bring confusion. My last post says who the prophet is as you will have already seen.
Paul's encounter with Jesus was certainly a life changing experience. I'm not actually quite sure what you really wanted me to say about this. This was not an occasion where either Jesus or Paul ascended or descended. This, to me, was just the start of Paul's conversion to Christianity and the first stepping stone to bringing salvation to the gentiles.
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It matters not--what he spoke was false, and he claimed to speak in the name of the Lord--therefore it does apply.
Matthew 24:23 certainly does refer to what Branham has falsely and sensationally suggested:
Then if anyone tells you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah,’ or ‘There he is,’ don’t believe it.
William Branham was a false prophet who has been used to deceive would-be followers of Christ. It is his truth, but not of God, nor does it coincide with the Word of God.
Yes, His ways are higher than our ways, yet He is bound by His Word and His own promises. God has revealed all to His servants already through the written Word. There is nothing new for us to know regarding the signs of the times. Jesus has told us all.
In order for me to believe anyone who claims the prophetic gift, I need to witness good fruit from that life, and also I need to be able to have scriptural confirmation or other confirmation that what a prophet has uttered is of God. So far, I have seen nothing supportive or affirming of any prophecies declared by Wm Branham.
False prophecy can happen even from the best of God's people--sometimes the flesh can enter in. However, what Wm Branham has uttered is mostly sensational and it is false--there is no special prophet of God promised for this age. Jesus the Messiah has come. We now await His physical return. Anything in between is a falsehood borne out of carnality.
Cloud formations in the shape of the face of Christ (no one knows what Jesus looked like) and proclaimed as some fantastic sign of Christ is mysticism, which is either borne of carnality and pride, or is of Satan, but I prefer all three as its source in this case.
I have heard and read of Wm Branham many years ago--and even one of his long sermons transcribed into a book--I was appalled and literally sickened by it, and ripped it up. Needless to say the person who loaned it to me never got it back.
I did, and I thank the Lord for his protection and wisdom that kept me from falling for Branham's delusion...not that I needed very much as it was plain to see.
1 Peter 5:8
Stay alert! Watch out for your great enemy, the devil. He prowls around like a roaring lion, looking for someone to devour.
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You may want to reconsider your post. Here are a few scriptures that seem to conflict with your statement.
1Samuel 10:10 And when they came thither to the hill, behold, a company of prophets met him; and the Spirit of God came upon him, and he prophesied among them.
1 Samuel 19:20 And Saul sent messengers to take David: and when they saw the company of the prophets prophesying, and Samuel standing [as] appointed over them, the Spirit of God was upon the messengers of Saul, and they also prophesied.
1Kings 18:4 For it was [so], when Jezebel cut off the prophets of the LORD, that Obadiah took an hundred prophets, and hid them by fifty in a cave, and fed them with bread and water.)
Ezra 5:1 Then the prophets, Haggai the prophet, and Zechariah the son of Iddo, prophesied unto the Jews that [were] in Judah and Jerusalem in the name of the God of Israel, [even] unto them.
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I meant to say that God speaks through one 'major' prophet at any one time. Sorry I didn't make this clear.
There can definitely be more than one minor prophet at the same time but definitely not more than one major prophet at the same time. There has never been an age where God gave His people two major prophets at one time.
God Bless!
I meant to say that God speaks through one 'major' prophet at any one time. Sorry I didn't make this clear.
There can definitely be more than one minor prophet at the same time but definitely not more than one major prophet at the same time. There has never been an age where God gave His people two major prophets at one time.
God Bless!
OK I see where your coming from now, but it seems to be more in line with old covenant liturgy and pattern than the new covenant. We no longer need a mediator between us and God.
Not a Branham fan, myself, I don't have a problem discussing the teachings but remember this is TalkJesus and we are not here to exalt men. :wink:
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Thank you for bearing with me.
Just wanted to point out that William Branham was not a mediator or ever claimed to be. He was a prophet. I only believe that Jesus was the mediator. Prophets, if I understood you right, were not just around in the Old Testament. Paul was a prophet. Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Joseph were all prophets before the Law came.
Neither do I exalt William Branham or any other man for that matter. I believe he was a prophet but the only one I exalt and will ever exalt is the one he introduced (just like John the Baptist introduced the Messiah) and that is the Lord Jesus Christ!
