What IS rapture?

[Sonseeahray]

This makes far more sense than trying to cram a spiritual teaching about patterns and cycles into a timeline that Jesus said even he did not know.

I do receive that and I concur.That is the only way to explain how this book could have been a blessing to all who read it with understanding.

Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies.

I would like to add that Jesus is "the Day" and he is "the last Day" and he is "the Day that the Lord has made".
We are supposed to be living in that "Day" not waiting for it.

I love it - Usually after a post like my last one I am doctrinally blugeoned by Futurists. This is an unusual site so far.

Larry

 

[Sonseeahray]

Lots of Good scriptures posted above me! They should reveal lots about the Rapture !

To understand why there would be a rapture or Catching away! is to understand Why such a event will and Must take place!
Because Gods wrath comes upon this planet !Every Island with be moved all mountains will come down .Many bad events take place! It all God allowing these things to take place and most of the people on earth will die! all because they Reject the free gift of life He has provided for mankind!

Rom 2:5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;

Col 3:6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:

1Th 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Rev 16:18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
Rev 16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
Rev 16:20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
Rev 16:21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.

This planet has been dying every since Sin started! Sin kills everything! but some things take longer to die! This planet is getting in worse shape all the time1 It close to its end now! Nothing can stop it from dying but of course the LORD!

I heard a teaching that really impressed me How the LORD will restore it back to how it was in the garden of Eden! I think it will be true! Because it going to be really messed up doing the wrath of God! no doubt many nations will be firing off there nukes!
We see many now are willing to put bombs on them selves there children even there wives to kill just about anyone? So it only the LORD holding back these insane people from firing off nukes and other things that kill mass people!

2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

There is very bad times ahead for the united States and the entire world! We need to be Very close to our Father God and be ready to go Home! New Jerusalem !

Allow me to post a study for your consideration that I made late last year on Matt 24 and how it connects with Daniel.


The 1290 days of Daniel 12:11
Daniel 12:11-12 (NASB)
11 … And from the time that the regular sacrifice is abolished and the abomination of desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days. [12] "How blessed is he who keeps waiting and attains to the 1,335 days!

If this was written in our day using Greek logic then it would read…
11 … And from the time that the abomination of desolation is set up until the regular sacrifice is abolished (Fails), there will be 1,290 days. [12] "How blessed is he who keeps waiting and attains to the 1,335 days!

Note that the author listed the two events in reverse chronologic order - confusing. But we are still looking for the time in days between the two events which is 1,290 literal days. Remember it is the “abomination that causes desolation” or that is to say the “transgression that desolates.” First the transgression and then later the desolation in that order. That’s why I say it is in reverse order. This is an important key to understanding the passage.

Josephus War of the Jews Book VI chapter 2 vs. 1
1. AND now Titus gave orders to his soldiers that were with him to dig up the foundations of the tower of Antonia, and make him a ready passage for his army to come up; while he himself had Josephus brought to him, (for he had been informed that on that very day, which was the seventeenth day of Panemus, [Tamuz,] (70AD) the sacrifice called "the Daily Sacrifice" had failed, and had not been offered to God, for want of men to offer it, and that the people were grievously troubled at it,


All the Priests had been killed off and there were none left to make the minimum daily sacrifices, which were two lambs - one in the AM and one in the PM. Josephus, an eyewitness, records the exact date that the daily (Tamid) sacrifice failed. Next we count backwards from Tamuz 17<SUP>th</SUP> 1,290 days to find the date and historical events on which the prophesy begins. Tamuz 17<SUP>th</SUP> is the most accurate date we have and it serves as a benchmark in order to count both backwards and forwards to determine the 1,335 days of Daniel, so we begin with it and then work backwards. Here is the timeline. At this point I have made no changes or adjustments in the standard Hebrew calendar.

Timeline
Counting backwards from Tamuz 17<SUP>th</SUP> (when the daily sacrifice failed) - 70AD - 1290 days
Tamuz………………..17..days…70AD
Sivan………………….30
Lyar…………………...29
Nissen………………..30
Adar…………………..30
Shebat……………...30
Tevet…………………29
TOTAL…….195

Kislev………………....29.………69AD
Cheshvan…………….29
Tishrei………………...30
Elul………………….....29
Ab……………………....30
Tamuz………………...29
Sivan…………………..30
Lyar…………………....29
Nissen………………...30
Adar…………………....30
Shebat………………..30
Tevet………………..…29
TOTAL……354

Kislev………………....29.………68AD
Cheshvan…………….29
Tishrei……………….. 30
Elul………………….....29
Ab…………………....…30
Tamuz………………...29
Sivan…………………..30
Lyar…………………....29
Nissen………………...30
Adar…………………...30
Shebat………………..30
Tevet………………..…29
TOTAL……354

Kislev………………....29.………67AD
Cheshvan…………….29
Tishrei…………….…. 30
Elul…………………....29
Ab…………………...…30
Tamuz………………..29
Sivan………………….30
Lyar…………………...29
Nissen………………...30
Adar…………………...30
Shebat………………..30
Tevet………………….29
TOTAL……354

Kislev………………....29.………66AD
Cheshvan…………….04
TOTAL……..33

GRAND TOTAL…1,290 days
The number of days between Tamuz 17th 70AD, and Cheshvan 4th 66AD is 1,290 days.

On Cheshvan 4<SUP>th</SUP> 66AD, the Roman General Cestius Gallus had arrived at Mt Scopus to put down the insurrection at Jerusalem. Mt. Scopus was a half mile from Jerusalem and he was attacking the Zealots who had already taken refuge in the Temple. He had been sent by Nero to put down the rebellion. The army of Agrippa II with about 2,000 troops had failed to accomplish this in the previous month. The Zealots had taken refuge in the Temple, (Holy Place) which was itself a fortress. The abomination Daniel spoke of was the anarchist, (not the Antichrist of our future) murderous, terrorist, zealots in the temple and if you want to add in the Roman soldiers around the Holy Place but not in it - I won’t argue. The army of Cestius (or Agrippa II) and the anarchists in the Temple were the two signals for those in Judea to leave Israel for safety - just like Jesus said.

This brings us to Matthew 24.
Matthew 24:15-22 (KJV) Jesus is speaking…
When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand [16] Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: [17] Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: [18] Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. [19] And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! [20] But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the Sabbath day: [21] For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. [22] And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Daniel uses the term “Abomination of Desolation” three times in his prophetic works which spanned about 600 years. Each of the three refer to a separate event in time. In this instance Jesus is referring to Daniel 12:11-12. Who was standing in the Holy place? - The anarchist murderous Zealots! They were in the Temple proper or the Holy Place. Cestius probably had crossed the wall of partition and was in the court of women as it was not locked, but the Romans were barred from accessing the Temple fortress (Holy Place) by the massive Corinthian bronze plated Nicanor gate. Cestius planned on burning the North gate (chamber of fire?) on the following day, but for no known reason he decided to retreat instead.

When Jesus spoke on that day on the mount of Olives - why was he speaking primarily to Judea? He was sitting facing the Temple on the Mount of Olives. Interesting question. It was because Judea was in the most peril. After the destruction of most of the 12<SUP>th</SUP> legion commanded by the incompetent retreating Cestius - the Roman government in retaliation dispatched its legions against Israel. They were enraged by all the trouble that these people caused and by the killing of their comrades of the 12<SUP>th</SUP> legion. They first dealt mercilessly with the surrounding fortified cities around Jerusalem (Judea) before coming to Jerusalem. The invasion of Judea took about a year - I don’t remember the exact timing.

Were the days cut short like Daniel said? Yes, when the Zealots finally surrendered it was to everyone’s surprise and amazement because Josephus said that they could have kept on fighting for a lot longer. But God said he was going to cut the time short for the elect’s sake. (He still had people in the city) - And he did. Remember that the obedient Christians had departed for Pella after the appearance of Cestius on Mt. Scopus (or Agrippa II’s army). The Apostle Paul said that there was a partial hardening of the Jews. God was now dealing with this hardness in the horrible siege of Jerusalem.

Meanwhile the Disciples, Apostles, and their followers were busy evangelizing the whole of the known world of their day - for almost 40 years. Then the final judgment of Israel came starting in 66AD. Many Jews who suffered through the destruction of Israel, Temple, and the city of Jerusalem were converted to Christ. It is for the sake of these “ELECT” that God shortened the siege of Jerusalem. Elect is a term for the people of God whether they have already been saved or who will be saved in the future.

So Jesus gave his followers two main signs to look for in Matt 24 and they both happened simultaneously. If they had happened separately with an interval in between it would have been very confusing. The anarchists had taken over the Holy place (standing where they had ought not) and Cestius’s army (or Agrippa II’s army) was encamped at Jerusalem. This was the signal for the Christians to get out of Judea immediately. He didn’t specify when, but Jerusalem was on the agenda for later as history shows. And not one stone was left upon another - the Temple and its tower mount was totally destroyed. (What they are calling the Temple mount today is really the fortress Antonia.) The Fortress Antonia (camp of the Romans) was the only structure to survive the destruction of Titus and continued to serve as the garrison of the 10<SUP>th</SUP> legion for some 200 years after 70AD.

And so looking forward - the prophetic clock started running on Cheshvan 4<SUP>th</SUP> (or a month earlier) 66AD and the daily sacrifice ended on Tamuz 17<SUP>th</SUP> 70AD, which was a period of 1,290 days. What about the 1,335 days that Daniel mentioned? Easy - the Zealots continued to fight on after the daily sacrifice failed. They surrendered 45 days later on Elul 3<SUP>rd</SUP> for a total of 1,335 days to finish the prophesy.

Blessed is he who waits to the 1,335 days.
]Month………………Day………70AD
Tamuz………………..12 (29-17 = 12)
Ab……………………...30
Elul…………………....03
Total………...45

Grand Total ……….1,335 days

All of this fits history precisely right down to the last small detail. One further proof is the fact that when the sacrifice failed for lack of lambs before the destruction of the Temple of Solomon, it was on the selfsame day Tamuz 17<SUP>th </SUP>597BC. God’s timing was perfect. Tamuz 17<SUP>th</SUP> was a day of infamy in Jewish history.

This timeline is with no correction between the Lunar and Solar calendars. There is an 11 day error between the two. The Jews had to keep adjusting their Lunar calendar by adding days and every three years an extra month. The chances are high that they did add a second month (Second Adar) in this time period. After three years the error would have been 33 days. Second Adar had 29 days. If they didn’t make a correction they couldn’t celebrate their feasts, which were often based on harvest times. So you can see that after three years of no correction - the Barley harvest would not be ripe for harvesting on the ceremony of First Fruits.

When you add another 29 days (Second Adar) to the 1,290 day period it pushes back the timeline to a month earlier. So the army that Jesus spoke of could be (probably was) that of Agrippa II. He sent about 2,000 troops to Jerusalem to put down the insurgents. The terrorists were holed up in the fortified Holy Place in the Temple. Agrippa’s army was repulsed and Cestius was then sent by Nero with the 12<SUP>th</SUP> legion to put down the rebellion a month later.

I had been using 3 ½ years previously, but a couple months ago I decided to try to hash through the difficult Hebrew Calendar day by day to see where the 1,290 days would lead. I’m glad I did as it changed the particular army that was in Jerusalem at the time. So it could be the army of Cestius, but more likely it was the army of AgrippaII that Jesus was referring to. The first terrorist zealot who took over the temple (thus desecrating it) was Eleazar Bar Simon. He is also the man of Sin (or son of perdition) prophesied 14 years in advance by the Apostle Paul. 2 Thess 2:3. 2 Thess was written about 52AD.

There is a lot more to Matt 24, but this is already too long a post. Quite frankly I don’t read long posts and I don’t blame anyone for skipping this one. I think I really need to write an abstract for people like me. There is so much history to cover that this type of presentation is difficult to shorten.

Larry
　

 

[HoneyBare]

Sonseeahray, for all your hard work and study/surmmizes, I have a verse for you, which could encourage you to give it a rest. It's found in Duet. 29:29 "The Lord our God has secrets known to no one. We are not accountable for them, but we and our children are accountable forever for all that he has revealed to us, so that we may obey all the terms of these instruction."

I may be wrong about the context of this verse, but I know that there are things that are only known to God, and we are not accountable for what has not been revealed. But we will know when they happen . . . we just need to be ready in our hearts and not surmmize what they mean. Just be in love with Heavenly Father and trust Him enough to get us through it all.

I know I am curious about the future, and want to know what will take place, and I'm always asking questions . . . but I've concluded that I'm just not gonna sweat it. What will be will be, according to His plan.

 

[Sonseeahray]

Sonseeahray, for all your hard work and study/surmmizes, I have a verse for you, which could encourage you to give it a rest. It's found in Duet. 29:29 "The Lord our God has secrets known to no one. We are not accountable for them, but we and our children are accountable forever for all that he has revealed to us, so that we may obey all the terms of these instruction."

I may be wrong about the context of this verse, but I know that there are things that are only known to God, and we are not accountable for what has not been revealed. But we will know when they happen . . . we just need to be ready in our hearts and not surmmize what they mean. Just be in love with Heavenly Father and trust Him enough to get us through it all.

I know I am curious about the future, and want to know what will take place, and I'm always asking questions . . . but I've concluded that I'm just not gonna sweat it. What will be will be, according to His plan.

Practically all of prophesy has been fulfilled. How else would anyone know this except they study history to find out? It is common today to take prophesy out of context and apply it to yet our future by nothing more than speculation. Historical facts to me are more logical aand solid than speculation.
Larry

 

[RJ]

There was only one reason why Jesus didn't come back in 70AD. And this is it...

Matthew 24:36 (NASB)
"But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.

The full number of Gentiles had come in; he Gospel had been preached to all nations. God had dealt with the hardness of the Jews. All OT Prophesies had been fulfilled. 70AD is the earliest time he could have returned.



Matthew 24:29 (NASB)
"But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and THE STARS WILL FALL from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken,

Matthew 24:30-31 (NASB)
and then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. [31] "And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.

After the tribulation of those days, the fall of Jerusalem, he would come immediately. How long is IMMEDIATELY. He couldn't come until the city had been destroyed which took a couple of months. Daniel said the city would be destroyed. As soom as this was fulfilled then the OT was closed and everything was fulfilled and he was free to come back with the permission of the Father. All of the events that you stated were invented just to make someone's complex Eschatology work.

All of the Disciples and Apostles believed that he would come back immediately after the destruction of the city. None of them expected time to continue.

Larry

I believe your quote of Matthews about was clearly Jesus talking and a Messianic Prophecy about his return sometime in the furture and way beyond 70 AD. The proof that it hasn't happened yet is that there has been no "Rapture" or the gathering up of his church. Something like that would have been well documented!

For me the second coming is interesting stuff and I pray that it happens in my life-time but, it is nothing to over emphasize, because the truth of the matter is that we will all meet our own end days the day that we get rid of this physical mortal body of ours and, that will happen soon enough!

 

[just-a-servant]

My point is that if Jesus had come in 70AD when he first said he would . . .

I'd really be interested in any reference made by Jesus of His saying he would come in A.D 70. That's an absolutely ridiculous statement.

Allow me to post a study for your consideration that I made late last year on Matt 24 and how it connects with Daniel.

Okay, let's look at your study:

The 1290 days of Daniel 12:11
Daniel 12:11-12 (NASB)
11 … And from the time that the regular sacrifice is abolished and the abomination of desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days. [12] "How blessed is he who keeps waiting and attains to the 1,335 days!

If this was written in our day using Greek logic then it would read…
11 … And from the time that the abomination of desolation is set up until the regular sacrifice is abolished (Fails), there will be 1,290 days. [12] "How blessed is he who keeps waiting and attains to the 1,335 days!

Note that the author listed the two events in reverse chronologic order - confusing. But we are still looking for the time in days between the two events which is 1,290 literal days. Remember it is the “abomination that causes desolation” or that is to say the “transgression that desolates.” First the transgression and then later the desolation in that order. That’s why I say it is in reverse order. This is an important key to understanding the passage.

There's a couple of issues with your "study."
1) Context, context, context. You must study the whole of the scripture, not just a particular verse. By "whole of the scripture," I mean the subject surrounding the scripture you wish to highlight, i.e. the context. Why is this important? To avoid interpretations such as the one you've related here. Why is your interpretation problematic? For the context of this verse to be understood, you must "study" all the words from the beginning of Chapter 10 through the end of Chapter 12. All of it is one long vision and conversation. There are definite sections that can be studied separately but you must keep each of these sections in mind when studying the others - they all relate to the same vision.
Now, to the verse before us. Never, never, never rewrite the scripture. What you have done by your re-write is change the meaning. While it may seem innocent enough to the casual observer, what you have done is make one event into two separate events and thus perverted God's word. VERY DANGEROUS, friend. Why and how did you do this? You removed verse 11 from it's context, switched phrases around and ADDED the word "until." Verse 11 is a continuation of the thought at the end of verse 7 and an answer to the question posed in verse 8. Verse 11 does not stand on it's own. Further, the way it is written (not the way you re-write it) is correct because it says the time period is 1290 days from the time the sacrifice is abolished AND (not until) the abomination is set up. Those two things happen simultaneously not 1290 days apart as you hypothesize.

Josephus War of the Jews Book VI chapter 2 vs. 1
1. AND now Titus gave orders to his soldiers that were with him to dig up the foundations of the tower of Antonia, and make him a ready passage for his army to come up; while he himself had Josephus brought to him, (for he had been informed that on that very day, which was the seventeenth day of Panemus, [Tamuz,] (70AD) the sacrifice called "the Daily Sacrifice" had failed, and had not been offered to God, for want of men to offer it, and that the people were grievously troubled at it,


All the Priests had been killed off and there were none left to make the minimum daily sacrifices, which were two lambs - one in the AM and one in the PM. Josephus, an eyewitness, records the exact date that the daily (Tamid) sacrifice failed.

I suppose if you're going to quote Josephus, it would be a good idea to read the context of it too. The quote of his from the "Wars of the Jews" is accurate, but the meaning is far from what you explain. First, if you read farther in Chapter 2, verse 114, Josephus lists a number of priests who fled to the Romans to avoid death. Later in the book, Titus declares on a number of occasions his wish for the priests to resume their sacrifices. In other words, Titus did not "abolish the daily sacrifice." The effect of the temple being destroyed discontinued the practice but didn't abolish it. I agree Temple sacrifice has not occurred at that location since A.D. 70; the hope that it will be re-instituted in the 3rd Temple leads me to believe the day it will be abolished is yet in the future.

This brings us to Matthew 24.
Matthew 24:15-22 (KJV) Jesus is speaking…
When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand [16] Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: [17] Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: [18] Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. [19] And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! [20] But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the Sabbath day: [21] For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. [22] And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Daniel uses the term “Abomination of Desolation” three times in his prophetic works which spanned about 600 years. Each of the three refer to a separate event in time.

Three times yes. Two events. One is clearly Antiochus Epiphanes (Dan. 11:21-35), the other two are yet to happen. The primary reasons they are yet to happen are because there has been no ONE to confirm a covenant, no beginning of the 'seven', and no 'desolation such as has never been'.
Your three and a half year period is interesting in how you've calculated it, but where is the beginning point of the 'seven'? Scripture clearly states the abomination that causes desolation occurs in the middle of the 'seven' which would place it in A.D. 66. It also says the abomination will remain where it was set up (as in erected, not occupied) during the three and a half years, "until the end that is decreed is poured out on him" (Dan. 9:27). The zealots were not in the Temple for 3 1/2 years, therefore could not be the abomination as you assert.
The destruction of the Temple took 21 days (which is another reason why your arithmetic is questionable; which day do you start on?). Do you start the count on the day the walls were breached (Tamuz 17) or do you reckon from the day the Temple was burned and razed?

Jesus is clearly talking to the residents of Judea. Why would He need to tell anyone else to run to the mountains? The army is circling Jerusalem. People in Kansas are in no danger of being obliterated by the army in Jerusalem.

In this instance Jesus is referring to Daniel 12:11-12. Who was standing in the Holy place? - The anarchist murderous Zealots! They were in the Temple proper or the Holy Place. Cestius probably had crossed the wall of partition and was in the court of women as it was not locked, but the Romans were barred from accessing the Temple fortress (Holy Place) by the massive Corinthian bronze plated Nicanor gate. Cestius planned on burning the North gate (chamber of fire?) on the following day, but for no known reason he decided to retreat instead.

When Jesus spoke on that day on the mount of Olives - why was he speaking primarily to Judea? He was sitting facing the Temple on the Mount of Olives. Interesting question. It was because Judea was in the most peril. After the destruction of most of the 12^th legion commanded by the incompetent retreating Cestius - the Roman government in retaliation dispatched its legions against Israel. They were enraged by all the trouble that these people caused and by the killing of their comrades of the 12^th legion. They first dealt mercilessly with the surrounding fortified cities around Jerusalem (Judea) before coming to Jerusalem. The invasion of Judea took about a year - I don’t remember the exact timing.

Is this what the history says or is this your view of what you think it says? It's okay to have your opinion, but present it as an opinion and not as fact.

Were the days cut short like Daniel said? Yes, when the Zealots finally surrendered it was to everyone’s surprise and amazement because Josephus said that they could have kept on fighting for a lot longer.

Think about what you just said. "The zealots could have gone on fighting for a lot longer." Really? The Temple, the place they were hiding in, was leveled. There was no place for them to hide, no place for them to run to. No place for them to get away. No, they were vanquished, conquered, defeated. The zealots had no choice but to surrender.

But God said he was going to cut the time short for the elect’s sake. (He still had people in the city) - And he did. Remember that the obedient Christians had departed for Pella after the appearance of Cestius on Mt. Scopus (or Agrippa II’s army). The Apostle Paul said that there was a partial hardening of the Jews. God was now dealing with this hardness in the horrible siege of Jerusalem.

You confuse Paul's teaching about the hardness of heart of the Jews. God hardened their hearts so as to bring the gentiles in. (Rom 11:25)
My guess is the full number of the gentiles isn't in yet and the seige of Jerusalem had very little to do with that. I'm not sure where you get the reference that the obedient Christians went to "Pella." Could you provide a reference please?

Meanwhile the Disciples, Apostles, and their followers were busy evangelizing the whole of the known world of their day - for almost 40 years. Then the final judgment of Israel came starting in 66AD. Many Jews who suffered through the destruction of Israel, Temple, and the city of Jerusalem were converted to Christ. It is for the sake of these “ELECT” that God shortened the siege of Jerusalem. Elect is a term for the people of God whether they have already been saved or who will be saved in the future.

Let's see, are you saying the final judgement of Israel started in A.D. 66? I thought the final judgement was during the Inquisition. No wait, it was Hitler's final solution. When exactly was it now? (I hope your understanding the absurdity of your statement.)

As for the rest of your "study," I'll just let it be. There's no value in responding to it, it's more of the same.

I'm sorry to be so blunt and confrontational in this post, but out and out flaws need to be addressed quickly and surely. Paul fought false doctrines and teaching his entire career, there is no room in Christ's body for it.

IMHO,
just-a-servant