What IS rapture?

[dannibear]

I have seen a few topics around in different sub-forums about it.
I did not really want to join in because to tell the truth,
I don't have an understanding of it, but if there are many people
talking about it, then I guess it is important...

What is rapture? What happens during a 'rapture'? What is the point
of said rapture?
I do not want someone's side on it, because I would like to
take this to Jesus, and have the Holy Spirit guide me to an answer.
I looked in my Bible for it, but still am confused...
Would anyone mind breaking it down simply for me?

Thank you bunches in advance!

 

[David777]

Easy question.

Hello Dannibear, "rapture" though not a Biblical word describes the process of us joining the Lord Jesus when He returns. Please read the following section,

15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.
(1Thessalonians 4:15-18)

Any other questions feel free to ask!

 

[dannibear]

You explained it pretty well for me.
God Bless!

 

[Davy]

Hi, dannibear:

When Jesus Christ returns some think that they will be caught away to heaven in what is called the rapture, a word not found in the bible. However some others believe they will continue living on the earth during the thousand year rule of Jesus Christ, living forever on the earth the way Adam and Eve would have done if they had not been thrown out of the garden of Eden.

The rapture, according to the Evangelical Dictionary of Theology is -- the sudden disappearance of millions and millions of people without so much as a trace of where they went and are united with Christ at his second coming in heaven. The Bible shows that before the start of Christ's promised Thousand Year Reign, there will be a period called the "great tribulation." Jesus said: "Then there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world's beginning until now, no, nor will occur again." (Matthew 24:21; Revelation 20:6) Some place the rapture ahead of the great tribulation. Others expect it during that time. Still others think that the rapture will come after that unparalleled distress. Some drivers have put bumper stickers on their cars reading: "In Case Of Rapture This Car Will Be Driverless."

The fact there is no clear explanation in the bible about this so called rapture, shows to me, it is wise to keep an open mind. No one knows for certain precisely what and when these things will occur because there are so many different points of view of this rapture.

 

[yort]

The Church

If you are saved then you are part of this church. Enoch is best example. He is a rapture type of the church.

(KJB) Genesis 5:24
And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.
Paul is your spokesman if you are part of the church, (The Saved);

(KJB)1 Corinthians 15:50-52
Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. [51] Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, [52] In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. Also-(KJB)1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: [17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Timing is of know no man's knowledge;I can't seem to find the verse I'm looking for but the jest of it is that only the father knows.

(KJB) Revelation 4:1
After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

The part where it says come up hither, well that's us, after this Rev 4:1 there is no mention of the church.

Last but in no way least the tribulation rapture. These are a remnant of Jews, virgins. The 144,000, this is best explain through Romans 9,10 & especially 11; (KJB) Romans 11:23-26
And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again. [24] For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches , be graffed into their own olive tree? [25] For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. [26] And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Hey I apologize if I've opened the flood gates, this is just a fast overview. But remember this in your study of Gods word. All the Bible is for you, but not all of the Bible is to you. It isn't written just to the gentiles.

(KJB) 2 Timothy 2:15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

I pray that I've helped.

 

[Sonseeahray]

I have seen a few topics around in different sub-forums about it.
I did not really want to join in because to tell the truth,
I don't have an understanding of it, but if there are many people
talking about it, then I guess it is important...

What is rapture? What happens during a 'rapture'? What is the point
of said rapture?
I do not want someone's side on it, because I would like to
take this to Jesus, and have the Holy Spirit guide me to an answer.
I looked in my Bible for it, but still am confused...
Would anyone mind breaking it down simply for me?

Thank you bunches in advance!

Well dannibear, this is a hotly debated subject. I was taught all through the first half of my life about this "secret rapture" which is a non Biblical word like trinity. I try not to use either. I started studying for myself and have totally moved away from this doctrine.

This teaching says that there are four comings of Christ. The first is of course Jesus' birth. The second is the “Secret Rapture” where all the believers are taken off of the earth to meet the lord in the air. The third coming (usually referred to as the second part of the second coming - sounds better than third coming) is said to be when Jesus returns to set up his 1,000 year reign on the earth. This occurs when his feet touches the Mount of Olives and the mountain splits in two etc. Zechariah 14:4. This is not future, but was a symbolic prophesy of the crucifixion. Jesus was crucified on the southern summit of the Mount of Olives. And the forth coming is when he returns and destroys all evildoers at the end of time. This is said to be the fulfillment of 2 Peter 3:10. This is the end of time and the world will be destroyed and renewed by fire. This forth coming is never referred to as the “forth coming,” but it is just the same.

2 Peter 3:10 (NASB)
But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and its works will be burned up.

First of all the second coming (called the Rapture) is not found in scripture. You have to first look at Jesus' Eschatology in Matt 24. All Eschatology comes from him and he left his Disciples with his viewpoint.

Matthew 24:29-31 (NASB)
"But immediately after the tribulation of those days

Tribulation being the horrible destruction of Jerusalem and Israel in general. He said he would not come until after this event

the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and THE STARS WILL FALL from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken,

A Hebrew idiom meaning a massively catastrophic event in history. Can't be literal because the stars cannot fall from the sky.

[30] and then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory.

All will see the sign of the Son of man coming with power and great glory. This is no secret coming or “Rapture.” This I see as the second coming and all of the verses in the NT fit together nicely in describing this return of Jesus – all of them! There are only two comings not four.

[31] "And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.

Again, there is not one iota of scriptural support for a “secret coming” or “Rapture” in Jesus' eschatology - none.

All of the Disciples, Apostles, and followers expected Jesus' return immediately after the fall of Jerusalem. This is what Jesus told them. They did not know when this would happen, but he gave them signs of when Jerusalem would be destroyed. He also added a very important condition. He said he didn't know when he was coming back himself, but this event will happen at the direction of the Father. And so he didn't return, as we know in hindsight, because God delayed his coming and it is a good thing for us that he did or we would not exist today.

What Jesus meant when he was quoted saying he would return immediately after the tribulation of the fall of Jerusalem is that this would be the first opportunity for his return. From that time onward. God had decreed that Israel would be punished for their sin and when all of the Old Testament prophesies are fulfilled - then he would be able to return for his people. This was the great hope of the Christians of his day. None of the Apostles and Disciples ever expected time to continue after the destruction of Israel, theTemple, and city of Jerusalem. John is believed to be the only NT writer who saw time past the fall of Jerusalem at least out to nearly the beginning of the second century.

The last Prophesy to be fulfilled from the Old Testament was from Daniel and concerns the scattering of the Jews and the destruction of the City.

Daniel 9:26 (KJV)
And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

The Prince of course was Titus and his legions. All of these prophesies were fulfilled toward the end of 70AD. After the zealots surrendered, Jewish slave labor was used to dig up the city (looking for riches) and to destroy all of the buildings – except, of course, for the massive Fortress Antonia. (Today it is errantly called the Temple Mount.) The real Temple Mount was totally destroyed just as Jesus said it would be.

Jesus' Eschatology is very simple and he shows that the world ends with his second coming. There are no Prophesies to be fulfilled after his second coming, which was initially scheduled for the end of 70AD. There is no “Secret Rapture” in scripture. This belief system is very unnecessarily complicated. The key to all of this is to follow Jesus' eschatology.

We should all avoid taking a 21st century viewpoint on eschatology as it only produces error. We need to go back in time to the days in which it was written and also to look at the history of those to whom it was written.

FYI - The name Sonseeahray is a Chiricahua Apache name which means "Morning Star" one of the many names of our Lord.


Rev. 22:16 (KJV)
I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

 

[RJ]

It is true that the word rapture is not found in the Bible. It comes from the Latin root word Raptus, to be remvoved or transported.

In 1 Thess 4:17, the church is said to be "caught up" to meet Christ in the air, at the last trumphet. The Greek word "harpadzo" meaning to remove or take away.
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1 Corinthians 15:52
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

The Rapture marks the beginnig of the end times and according to the above verses is when Christ gathers his church of believers off of the face of earth. We are already in spirit with him, this is when he creates our resurrected body. In 1 COR 15:52, Christ raises the dead first, meaning those who have gone before us and he raises them in their incorruptible (perfect) resurrected body and the rest of us escape physical death, because we are change from our physical bodies into our spiritual (resurrected) bodies,just like his, in the "Blink of An Eye". Thus we are Raptured.



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[Sonseeahray]

It is true that the word rapture is not found in the Bible. It comes from the Latin root word Raptus, to be remvoved or transported.

In 1 Thess 4:17, the church is said to be "caught up" to meet Christ in the air, at the last trumphet. The Greek word "harpadzo" meaning to remove or take away.
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1 Corinthians 15:52
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

The Rapture marks the beginnig of the end times and according to the above verses is when Christ gathers his church of believers off of the face of earth. We are already in spirit with him, this is when he creates our resurrected body. In 1 COR 15:52, Christ raises the dead first, meaning those who have gone before us and he raises them in their incorruptible (perfect) resurrected body and the rest of us escape physical death, because we are change from our physical bodies into our spiritual (resurrected) bodies,just like his, in the "Blink of An Eye". Thus we are Raptured.

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I don't have a really big problem with the word "Rapture" in that it is a word that adequately describes the evacuation of the Lords people from the earth, but it is a very specific event (partial) of the Second Coming. Other than that - I don't disagree with most of what you said.

 

[Thiscrosshurts]

Sonseeahray said:

We should all avoid taking a 21st century viewpoint on eschatology as it only produces error. We need to go back in time to the days in which it was written and also to look at the history of those to whom it was written.

I have to agree,people 2000 years ago had an entirely different mind set based on the culture of their location.
Scripture is spiritual and must be spiritually discerned.

Scripture is a "living word",and literal interpretations are what makes it appear to contradict itself.

Much scripture shows us a picture of patterns which manifest themselves in different ways.The end of the world can mean the end of your "worldly" mindset.

Do these end time prophecies edify anyone?
We have to Holy Spirit to know the difference.
It never taught me the important things like how to overcome evil with good.

Logically speaking,do we really think that all this scripture was for a few folks at the very end of the world?
Why would the book of revelation bless someone 1200 years ago,or 500 years ago if it was written to give us a heads up to some time locked event?

What will I do with verses like these.

Psalm 2:8 Ask of me, and I will make the nations your inheritance, the ends of the earth your possession.

I would rather spend my time doing what I have been told to do.

Lord,give us the nations.

 

[RJ]

I don't have a really big problem with the word "Rapture" in that it is a word that adequately describes the evacuation of the Lords people from the earth, but it is a very specific event (partial) of the Second Coming. Other than that - I don't disagree with most of what you said.

I say that scripture supports what you say and I totally agree with you.

Jesus appearance in the air and trumpet calling of his church to met him in the air is scriptural and is another of God's true mysteries just like Christ living in us.
I think it does mark the beginning of his second coming, the prophesy of the Great Banquet in heaven, 7 years of tribulation, Armageddon, Christ's millennium rule on earth, satin being chained up for that 1000 years, his release, final defeat and the end of the world as we know it, and then eternity.

 

[Sonseeahray]

I say that scripture supports what you say and I totally agree with you.

Jesus appearance in the air and trumpet calling of his church to met him in the air is scriptural and is another of God's true mysteries just like Christ living in us.
I think it does mark the beginning of his second coming, the prophesy of the Great Banquet in heaven, 7 years of tribulation, Armageddon, Christ's millennium rule on earth, satin being chained up for that 1000 years, his release, final defeat and the end of the world as we know it, and then eternity.

My point is that if Jesus had come in 70AD when he first said he would - then when would the 7 year tribulation and Armageddon take place? The second coming in my book is the end of the world and the earth at that time will be renewed by fire and all of the works of man will be totally destroyed. There is no more time after the second coming for anything to take place.

Larry

 

[RJ]

My point is that if Jesus had come in 70AD when he first said he would - then when would the 7 year tribulation and Armageddon take place? The second coming in my book is the end of the world and the earth at that time will be renewed by fire and all of the works of man will be totally destroyed. There is no more time after the second coming for anything to take place.

Larry

I think you answered some of you questions, Jesus did not come in 70 AD because there has been no rapture, Armageddon, tribulation, millennium rule and the end of the world as we know it.
Also, I would like to see what scripture it is that makes you think he said he would come in 70 AD, in fact, he said that even he didn't know when the second coming was, that only God did.

 

[yort]

Getting Away?

If you are born again how can you get away from the doctrines of the rapture & the trinity?

 

[Sonseeahray]

If you are born again how can you get away from the doctrines of the rapture & the trinity?

No you misunderstood. It's just a personal preference of mine to refer to the "trinity" as the "Godhead." Unlike "Trinity," Godhead is a biblical term that means the same thing.

I also prefer to use the term "Second Coming" rather than "Rapture" because "Rapture" is only a part of the second coming it is not a stand alone event. As I said it is popular today to divide the "Second Coming" into three comings. There is only ONE Second Coming, which includes the "Rapture.".

 

[Sonseeahray]

I think you answered some of you questions, Jesus did not come in 70 AD because there has been no rapture, Armageddon, tribulation, millennium rule and the end of the world as we know it.

There was only one reason why Jesus didn't come back in 70AD. And this is it...

Matthew 24:36 (NASB)
"But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.

The full number of Gentiles had come in; he Gospel had been preached to all nations. God had dealt with the hardness of the Jews. All OT Prophesies had been fulfilled. 70AD is the earliest time he could have returned.

"Also, I would like to see what scripture it is that makes you think he said he would come in 70 AD, in fact, he said that even he didn't know when the second coming was, that only God did.

Matthew 24:29 (NASB)
"But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and THE STARS WILL FALL from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken,

Matthew 24:30-31 (NASB)
and then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. [31] "And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.

After the tribulation of those days, the fall of Jerusalem, he would come immediately. How long is IMMEDIATELY. He couldn't come until the city had been destroyed which took a couple of months. Daniel said the city would be destroyed. As soom as this was fulfilled then the OT was closed and everything was fulfilled and he was free to come back with the permission of the Father. All of the events that you stated were invented just to make someone's complex Eschatology work.

All of the Disciples and Apostles believed that he would come back immediately after the destruction of the city. None of them expected time to continue.

Larry

 

[Sonseeahray]

Sonseeahray said:
I have to agree,people 2000 years ago had an entirely different mind set based on the culture of their location.
Scripture is spiritual and must be spiritually discerned.

Scripture is a "living word",and literal interpretations are what makes it appear to contradict itself.

Much scripture shows us a picture of patterns which manifest themselves in different ways.The end of the world can mean the end of your "worldly" mindset.

Do these end time prophecies edify anyone?
We have to Holy Spirit to know the difference.
It never taught me the important things like how to overcome evil with good.

Logically speaking,do we really think that all this scripture was for a few folks at the very end of the world?
Why would the book of revelation bless someone 1200 years ago,or 500 years ago if it was written to give us a heads up to some time locked event?

What will I do with verses like these.

Psalm 2:8 Ask of me, and I will make the nations your inheritance, the ends of the earth your possession.

I would rather spend my time doing what I have been told to do.

Lord,give us the nations.

I like the way you think - keep it up.

 

[RJ]

There was only one reason why Jesus didn't come back in 70AD. And this is it...

Matthew 24:36 (NASB)
"But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.

The full number of Gentiles had come in; he Gospel had been preached to all nations. God had dealt with the hardness of the Jews. All OT Prophesies had been fulfilled. 70AD is the earliest time he could have returned.



Matthew 24:29 (NASB)
"But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and THE STARS WILL FALL from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken,

Matthew 24:30-31 (NASB)
and then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. [31] "And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.

After the tribulation of those days, the fall of Jerusalem, he would come immediately. How long is IMMEDIATELY. He couldn't come until the city had been destroyed which took a couple of months. Daniel said the city would be destroyed. As soom as this was fulfilled then the OT was closed and everything was fulfilled and he was free to come back with the permission of the Father. All of the events that you stated were invented just to make someone's complex Eschatology work.

All of the Disciples and Apostles believed that he would come back immediately after the destruction of the city. None of them expected time to continue.

Larry

All of the events that you stated were invented just to make someone's complex Eschatology work.
So your saying that the events I stated were invented and, events like Rapture and Christ 1000 year reign did not happen or, are you saying that they have already happened?

 

[Sonseeahray]

All of the events that you stated were invented just to make someone's complex Eschatology work.

So your saying that the events I stated were invented and, events like Rapture and Christ 1000 year reign did not happen or, are you saying that they have already happened?

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Rapture -
There is no "secret rapture" as a stand alone event. As I said, all of the scriptures that pertain to the second coming have today been subdivided by some into three separate comings. There is only one second coming – not three or four comings of Christ. When he comes again all of the scriptures about the second coming will be fulfilled all at the same time.

Armageddon -
There is no Armageddon as it is commonly believed today.

Tribulation -
There is no "seven year" tribulation. All of Daniel has been fulfilled as of 70AD and you cannot detach one week from Daniel's 70 weeks and move it to yet our future. About 75,000,000 Christians have been martyred in the Church age since Stephen. The tribulation is the church age, which is symbolized in Revelation. Tribulation ebbs and flows all through Church history. One author said that there were more Christians Martyred in the 20th century than were all the centuries before that. Tribulation is in specific reference to the persecution, which first started under Domitian (who was contemporary to John); and it runs until the destruction of the Roman empire which is when the book of Revelation closes. It continues because Revelation is a model for all of the Church age and it will be in effect all through time until Jesus comes.

Millennium rule -
The Millennium is simply a soulish and humanistic dream. The Jews held it and as a result missed the hour of their visitation. The Disciples believed it and were greatly disappointed and had a complete Paradigm shift when Jesus was crucified – they all argued about who would be the greatest in the new literal kingdom that they believed he was going to set up – their dream died that day.

And now the dream has been revived again in our day and it will once again never come to pass because this dream is totally in contradiction to the character of God. All three of these dreams hold that God will come in great power and reveal himself openly to unbelievers, dominate and control them for good, raise his favorites to a position of power, preeminence, world domination, and control. All the wealth of the nations will pour into it. All of these characteristics are alien to the character of God as he does none of these things. God is more interested in the sin problem and expanding his kingdom. Humanity has a free will and he will never violate it.

Numbers in the book of Revelation are symbols and not arithmetic with one exception - the number 666, which the text says that we must calculate – which is arithmetic. The 1,000 years is a symbol of the unknown period of time of the Church age between the cross and the second coming. This is the simplicity of God's eschatology – it is not complicated.

End of the world -
The end of the world is when Jesus is sent by the Father to gather (Rapture) his people off of the earth and then he destroys the works of man and renews the world with fire – like it says in second Peter. Very simple compared to the views that are popular today.

I doubt that there is anyone who can receive this, but the book of Revelation is the manner in which God rules and reigns in the midst of his enemies - this is the real Millennium, which is now nearing 2,000 years. And it will continue until the one and only second coming takes place. The book of Revelation was given first to the Christians in John's day and then indirectly to us as a pattern of principles for us to live by all through the Church age until the second coming occurs.

Larry

 

[Thiscrosshurts]

Tribulation -
There is no "seven year" tribulation. All of Daniel has been fulfilled as of 70AD and you cannot detach one week from Daniel's 70 weeks and move it to yet our future. About 75,000,000 Christians have been martyred in the Church age since Stephen. The tribulation is the church age, which is symbolized in Revelation. Tribulation ebbs and flows all through Church history. One author said that there were more Christians Martyred in the 20th century than were all the centuries before that. Tribulation is in specific reference to the persecution, which first started under Domitian (who was contemporary to John); and it runs until the destruction of the Roman empire which is when the book of Revelation closes. It continues because Revelation is a model for all of the Church age and it will be in effect all through time until Jesus comes.

This makes far more sense than trying to cram a spiritual teaching about patterns and cycles into a timeline that Jesus said even he did not know.

I doubt that there is anyone who can receive this, but the book of Revelation is the manner in which God rules and reigns in the midst of his enemies - this is the real Millennium, which is now nearing 2,000 years. And it will continue until the one and only second coming takes place. The book of Revelation was given first to the Christians in John's day and then indirectly to us as a pattern of principles for us to live by all through the Church age until the second coming occurs.

I do receive that and I concur.That is the only way to explain how this book could have been a blessing to all who read it with understanding.

Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies.

I would like to add that Jesus is "the Day" and he is "the last Day" and he is "the Day that the Lord has made".
We are supposed to be living in that "Day" not waiting for it.

 

[spirit1st]

Lots of Good scriptures posted above me! They should reveal lots about the Rapture !




To understand why there would be a rapture or Catching away! is to understand Why such a event will and Must take place!
Because Gods wrath comes upon this planet !Every Island with be moved all mountains will come down .Many bad events take place! It all God allowing these things to take place and most of the people on earth will die! all because they Reject the free gift of life He has provided for mankind!

Rom 2:5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;

Col 3:6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:

1Th 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,



Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.


Rev 16:18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
Rev 16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
Rev 16:20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
Rev 16:21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.

This planet has been dying every since Sin started! Sin kills everything! but some things take longer to die! This planet is getting in worse shape all the time1 It close to its end now! Nothing can stop it from dying but of course the LORD!

I heard a teaching that really impressed me How the LORD will restore it back to how it was in the garden of Eden! I think it will be true! Because it going to be really messed up doing the wrath of God! no doubt many nations will be firing off there nukes!
We see many now are willing to put bombs on them selves there children even there wives to kill just about anyone? So it only the LORD holding back these insane people from firing off nukes and other things that kill mass people!

2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

There is very bad times ahead for the united States and the entire world! We need to be Very close to our Father God and be ready to go Home! New Jerusalem !