What is Predestined
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"Predestination" means that life isn't a coincidence, determinism, then there is randomness that Predestination is a coincidence
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how can all things be predestined. I like your first answer if randomness.
no one knows what will happen tomorrow
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Do you think God Choses people
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yes life is randomness, you choose the way you in how you predestined your life
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was Abraham a random pick
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Ezekiel 18:4 (NKJV) "Behold, all souls are Mine; The soul of the father As well as the soul of the son is Mine; The soul who sins shall die.
Daniel 4:32 (NKJV) And they shall drive you from men, and your dwelling shall be with the beasts of the field. They shall make you eat grass like oxen; seven times shall pass over you until you know that the Highest rules in the kingdom of men, and gives it to whomever He chooses."
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"Predestination" maybe this will help
Jeremiah 1:4-5 (NKJV) Then the word of the LORD came to me, saying:
"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you; Before you were born I sanctified you; I ordained you a prophet to the nations."
Jeremiah 1:4-5 (NKJV) Then the word of the LORD came to me, saying:
"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you; Before you were born I sanctified you; I ordained you a prophet to the nations."
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I am comfortable with leaving these two things in perfect tension as I'm ok if I don't understand, but I trust God.
On one end we have God's Grace which is open to all who will receive, and when they do enter into the door based on their own free will, they see that they were chosen by God from the beginning.
There seems to be a great tension between these two points, but I am comfortable leaving them as
they are and believing both (Free will, human choice && Predestined, God's Choice).
On one end we have God's Grace which is open to all who will receive, and when they do enter into the door based on their own free will, they see that they were chosen by God from the beginning.
There seems to be a great tension between these two points, but I am comfortable leaving them as
they are and believing both (Free will, human choice && Predestined, God's Choice).
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I am comfortable with leaving these two things in perfect tension as I'm ok if I don't understand, but I trust God.
On one end we have God's Grace which is open to all who will receive, and when they do enter into the door, they see that they were chosen by God from the beginning.
There seems to be a great tension between these two points, but I am comfortable leaving them as they are and believing both.
Grace is on probation all are under probation Grace
I have fallen from Grace
I have fallen from probation
Grace has a period in time, it's called dispensation!
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Tell me more about this concept of Grace Probation please.
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Probation
2 Timothy 2:15 (KJV) Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
Matthew 6:33-34 (KJV) But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness, and all these things shall be added unto you.
Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.
rightly dividing the word of truth.
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My understanding when you first said the term, it makes me think probation similar to someone released from jail.
They are given an opportunity to do the right thing, but if they mess up, then they go back to Jail.
So the phrase makes me think about being out in the world and God's Grace is giving us the opportunity to walk
in the right path, yet if we mess up continuously and misuse God's Grace then we violate our probation and return to
jail, or the pending judgment upon us.
Is what YOU mean by Grace Probation?
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"Biblical terminology" is never the same as the worlds terminology.
That is why you hardly never use a "world encyclopedia' to look up biblical words never even a weak Biblical encyclopedia.
You use world dictionaries for common regular everyday collegiate words.
in your everyday study of Your "Study BIBLE" which is label a STUDY BIBLE, by print. You need at least 1 Collegiate Dictionary, 1 LEXICON, whether you are studying the Greek or Hebrew Text. 1 AUTHORITATIVE Biblical Encyclopedia preferred "ISBE" all Hard copies. no internet. whatsoever. every time you do, you will come up very short and i mean very short "Tom Thump" cannot get into those pants. EVEN if it is "ISBE" on the internet. they cut short.
if serious or half serious in your personal studies you must have a BooK on "BIBLE TERMINOLOGY" and you will be ONE with the whole world when speaking the "christian" Language that is universal. world wide . example: I ride, and own a horse, across the world they own and ride horses, In Russia she owns a horse. In China he owns a horse and ride. the language might be different but a bridle is a bridle, a stirrup . a reign is reign, A halter is a halter, hay is hay. we might ride different from each other, the style of riding but the equipment is basically the same.
Like the word "Predestination" when relating to "Biblical Doctrine" is not the same as the worldly word definition meaning predestination, A biblical doctrine is not the same as worldly words. that is is why it is impossible to convey biblical truth of doctrine using worldly definition. and worldly dictionaries.
You must re learn words relearn steps relearn word connections , when relating to Biblical words same words different language.
and it is hard and the gate is narrow. Now days christians who want to teach the word and correct people, use all kinds of wording they make up phrases out of the airs. And when people hear them that do not know, they think they are saying something. they have made something up. And this kind of teaching is running like wild fires and burning the forest up. And cannot be stop,
regeneration not the same
Born from above.......not the same
Atonement..................not the same
Predestination ................not the same
Baptism by fire.................not the same
Holy Ghost.........................not the same
The armor of GOD..............not the same
Salvation..................................not the same
these are some examples.
ISBE is not in front of me now. But most likely the Biblical definition is about 3 pages long for the one word "predestination" meaning
The biblical word for atonement might be 3 pages long as well for the one word. meaning
The Salvation for the one word definition might be 5 pages long.
The Meaning of the word "Israel" might be 3 to 4 pages long for the one word. the meanings of the words and not history.
it takes time to learn to learn biblical words. you just do not look it up and you got it. Worldly words you do that. "biblical words" it takes months and sometimes years, especially like the Biblical word "grace" "mercy" takes about 2-3 years to understand And the the Biblical love, at least ten years maybe 20 or 30 year and some 40 years. When they learn "Agape' they think they know it, and you cannot tell them nothing. They will fight. their eyes turn red. they start sweating. You all ready know it might take about 20 or 30 years. you just leave it alone. When a person open up "ISBE" hard copy and 10 pages on one definition. You say this cannot be right. But it is. Let say something, When you receive you Perfect Body, After a million light years, you still is going to be learning what love is. So many christians are in the world and so concern about the world, they have no idea what GOD has given us. Because of The LOVE HE has for HIS SON. this world has a whole on them so tight, that is all they can think about. And as far can go is saying His name "Jesus"
When you read the bible, word for word you need this. because you will do nothing but skip words all day long. you just run over them. Then later as you are reading when you come across those words and i ti s reason why that word is there with meaning and you skip again an d fail to realize and you think nothing of it and you past a whole BLOCK or centuries of information you cannot tie together and you continue reading material you fine unless. And you repeat this kind of practice all your life. the more you read the more you thing you know but really the deeper the dark you go thinking it is light. you pick up bad habits that only pick up other bad habits And no one can tell you nothing even it the truth is laping in the face. You ain't going to listen. You are not going to turn around, you are not going to correct your course you will die 1st. that is how serious this is, This is not "Miss Mills" Class.
This is not a thing of the world. Everything in the world and of the world is tainted and corrupted. If you caught it early and repented and turn around you can recover. if you didn't, after that it is out my league. I have never seen one recover yet who drifted off real far and recovered. They have admitted, in teaching errors but they had been teaching it too long to corrected it.. There are certain books is a must for the New testament text every pastor should a certain group in their library.
if i am doing something for you, i should be able to just walked in your Library and get the ground work i need just like that. Pertaining to the Greek or Hebrew text. Just like that. Like i was at home.
But you can do what every want, The whole world has gone south and every interpretation any way they see please. Everybody got there way, no order whats so every. So do it your way follow them . Just take your pick. You will see, Everybody. everybody is expert
s. Everybody is a scholars. stop and look! just look at them. Lord, just get me up out of here, And Lord you need them down here , during Great Tribulation to instruction the others, but get me up out of here, because. i know I don't fit. I am old school. I travel The Ancient Path it is better for my soul. Y'all can have that other path, i don't want it.
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This is what the LORD says: “Stand at the crossroads and look; ask for the ancient paths, ask where the good way is, and walk in it, and you will find rest for your souls. But [others] you said, ‘We will not walk in it.’
I want the one my Grandmother travel and my mama travel: And their song is coming to my mind: "If it was good enough for Paul and Silas then it is good enough for me"
All that brand new stuff. y'all cannot keep up . Homemade translated, theology, homemade terminology, homemade free-willing Choose your own salvation type, Universal or limited , short term on long term policy. I cannot keep up with all those names, everybody got a Theology, i meant "policy".
Home made Doctrine with no problem what so ever. Prophesy said it was going to happen.
The devil has gotten so bad and the loosing of the restraints on christians. Now that they lie with so much ease. Just like it is a common thing. Lying is nothing to them. 1st came sexual sins, and deceiving others as if they are addicted to drugs by deceiving and know the lies has become normal to christians. like their lies have become invisible to others. And if you approach them in a slight way, the fury begins in a uncontrollable fashion ,they cannot control or understand it, but they know something is not right in them. And it is nothing they can do, and they see many are like them but the can spot only small few who are different.
Strange, it will come to Light.
That is why you hardly never use a "world encyclopedia' to look up biblical words never even a weak Biblical encyclopedia.
You use world dictionaries for common regular everyday collegiate words.
in your everyday study of Your "Study BIBLE" which is label a STUDY BIBLE, by print. You need at least 1 Collegiate Dictionary, 1 LEXICON, whether you are studying the Greek or Hebrew Text. 1 AUTHORITATIVE Biblical Encyclopedia preferred "ISBE" all Hard copies. no internet. whatsoever. every time you do, you will come up very short and i mean very short "Tom Thump" cannot get into those pants. EVEN if it is "ISBE" on the internet. they cut short.
if serious or half serious in your personal studies you must have a BooK on "BIBLE TERMINOLOGY" and you will be ONE with the whole world when speaking the "christian" Language that is universal. world wide . example: I ride, and own a horse, across the world they own and ride horses, In Russia she owns a horse. In China he owns a horse and ride. the language might be different but a bridle is a bridle, a stirrup . a reign is reign, A halter is a halter, hay is hay. we might ride different from each other, the style of riding but the equipment is basically the same.
Like the word "Predestination" when relating to "Biblical Doctrine" is not the same as the worldly word definition meaning predestination, A biblical doctrine is not the same as worldly words. that is is why it is impossible to convey biblical truth of doctrine using worldly definition. and worldly dictionaries.
You must re learn words relearn steps relearn word connections , when relating to Biblical words same words different language.
and it is hard and the gate is narrow. Now days christians who want to teach the word and correct people, use all kinds of wording they make up phrases out of the airs. And when people hear them that do not know, they think they are saying something. they have made something up. And this kind of teaching is running like wild fires and burning the forest up. And cannot be stop,
regeneration not the same
Born from above.......not the same
Atonement..................not the same
Predestination ................not the same
Baptism by fire.................not the same
Holy Ghost.........................not the same
The armor of GOD..............not the same
Salvation..................................not the same
these are some examples.
ISBE is not in front of me now. But most likely the Biblical definition is about 3 pages long for the one word "predestination" meaning
The biblical word for atonement might be 3 pages long as well for the one word. meaning
The Salvation for the one word definition might be 5 pages long.
The Meaning of the word "Israel" might be 3 to 4 pages long for the one word. the meanings of the words and not history.
it takes time to learn to learn biblical words. you just do not look it up and you got it. Worldly words you do that. "biblical words" it takes months and sometimes years, especially like the Biblical word "grace" "mercy" takes about 2-3 years to understand And the the Biblical love, at least ten years maybe 20 or 30 year and some 40 years. When they learn "Agape' they think they know it, and you cannot tell them nothing. They will fight. their eyes turn red. they start sweating. You all ready know it might take about 20 or 30 years. you just leave it alone. When a person open up "ISBE" hard copy and 10 pages on one definition. You say this cannot be right. But it is. Let say something, When you receive you Perfect Body, After a million light years, you still is going to be learning what love is.
So many christians are in the world and so concern about the world, they have no idea what GOD has given us. Because of The LOVE HE has for HIS SON. this world has a whole on them so tight, that is all they can think about. And as far can go is saying His name "Jesus"When you read the bible, word for word you need this. because you will do nothing but skip words all day long. you just run over them. Then later as you are reading when you come across those words and i ti s reason why that word is there with meaning and you skip again an d fail to realize and you think nothing of it and you past a whole BLOCK or centuries of information you cannot tie together and you continue reading material you fine unless. And you repeat this kind of practice all your life. the more you read the more you thing you know but really the deeper the dark you go thinking it is light. you pick up bad habits that only pick up other bad habits And no one can tell you nothing even it the truth is laping in the face. You ain't going to listen. You are not going to turn around, you are not going to correct your course you will die 1st. that is how serious this is, This is not "Miss Mills" Class.
This is not a thing of the world. Everything in the world and of the world is tainted and corrupted. If you caught it early and repented and turn around you can recover. if you didn't, after that it is out my league. I have never seen one recover yet who drifted off real far and recovered. They have admitted, in teaching errors but they had been teaching it too long to corrected it.. There are certain books is a must for the New testament text every pastor should a certain group in their library.
if i am doing something for you, i should be able to just walked in your Library and get the ground work i need just like that. Pertaining to the Greek or Hebrew text. Just like that. Like i was at home.
But you can do what every want, The whole world has gone south and every interpretation any way they see please. Everybody got there way, no order whats so every. So do it your way follow them . Just take your pick. You will see, Everybody. everybody is expert
s. Everybody is a scholars. stop and look! just look at them. Lord, just get me up out of here, And Lord you need them down here , during Great Tribulation to instruction the others, but get me up out of here, because. i know I don't fit. I am old school. I travel The Ancient Path it is better for my soul. Y'all can have that other path, i don't want it.
New International Version
This is what the LORD says: “Stand at the crossroads and look; ask for the ancient paths, ask where the good way is, and walk in it, and you will find rest for your souls. But [others] you said, ‘We will not walk in it.’
I want the one my Grandmother travel and my mama travel: And their song is coming to my mind: "If it was good enough for Paul and Silas then it is good enough for me"
All that brand new stuff. y'all cannot keep up . Homemade translated, theology, homemade terminology, homemade free-willing Choose your own salvation type, Universal or limited , short term on long term policy. I cannot keep up with all those names, everybody got a Theology, i meant "policy".
Home made Doctrine with no problem what so ever. Prophesy said it was going to happen.
The devil has gotten so bad and the loosing of the restraints on christians. Now that they lie with so much ease. Just like it is a common thing. Lying is nothing to them. 1st came sexual sins, and deceiving others as if they are addicted to drugs by deceiving and know the lies has become normal to christians. like their lies have become invisible to others. And if you approach them in a slight way, the fury begins in a uncontrollable fashion ,they cannot control or understand it, but they know something is not right in them. And it is nothing they can do, and they see many are like them but the can spot only small few who are different.
Strange, it will come to Light.
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at the end of what you are learning is that is
Romans 6:23 (NKJV) For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 10:16 (NKJV) But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, "Lord, who has believed our report?"
And that
Hebrews 11:1 (NKJV) Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Romans 10:17-18 (NKJV) So then faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God.
But I say, have they not heard? Yes indeed: "Their sound has gone out to all the earth, And their words to the ends of the world."
Matthew 24:14 (NKJV) And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.
As Paul Revere said, the British is coming, the British, as he when town to town
Romans 6:23 (NKJV) For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 10:16 (NKJV) But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, "Lord, who has believed our report?"
And that
Hebrews 11:1 (NKJV) Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Romans 10:17-18 (NKJV) So then faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God.
But I say, have they not heard? Yes indeed: "Their sound has gone out to all the earth, And their words to the ends of the world."
Matthew 24:14 (NKJV) And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.
As Paul Revere said, the British is coming, the British, as he when town to town
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Yes he does. I am living proof of that. No amount of disagreement will stop me from believing I was predestined before I was even born. I have experienced to much since early childhood to think otherwise. Doesnt mean others dont have free choice , Jesus died so all can recieve the gift of salavation.
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Yes Jesus died for all. It's a free gift.
