What Happened?

[Kit Carson]

I think the rush to judgement that has erupted, especially in America, has probably done more damage in recent years than tolerance. We are either wildly from the far left (Liberal) or far right (Conservative). And we take our positions with malice toward those who disagree with us. On the subject of criminal justice, I like the philosophy espoused by the late U. S. Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis - That it is better to let a thousand guilty men go free than to convict one single innocent man.



You omitted "loving". Why? Do you think His nature has changed, that He only loves those who love Him?

SLE

<o> <o> <o> <o> Christians worship Jesus Christ but do not obey him</o></o>[/SIZE]</o></o>

<o> </o> Christians ceremonially worship and praise the Lord Jesus Christ in their churches. But they reject<u1> his commandments. That is, they do not obey him. </u1> Christians say that they believe Jesus Christ. But they believe their preachers more than they believe him.
Christians worship Jesus Christ ceremonially and call him their Savior. But they will not believe a single word that Jesus Christ tells them so that they escape hell. They would rather believe the preachers say what Jesus will do to take them out of hell. Preachers use this situation to exploit their congregation.
Jesus Christ said in the great commission that his disciples must teach the words of Jesus Christ to people for them to obey. He calls this as preaching the gospel. But, Christians think that they will be saved if they believe the story of Jesus Christ rather than obeying the words of Jesus Christ. That is why Bible truth is alien to most Christians. Usually, Christians read the Bible for religious or sentimental reasons. They ignore the words of Jesus Christ which is the true gospel.



I copied that , I have it saved as I think it says it best.

No sir God loves all. However as he loves and guides us we should accept the fact that we should live as he wishes us to. Jesus did not take the law of common sense and fair play away. We are not to accept all.



This acceptance is what is destroying our society , morally and economically.



Modern Christians love to preach love , and it is true under the gospel. But not true for total acceptance.



Why do you figure God himself wiped out many people in the beginning? Do you not think his love for the future of the human race was his concern. I think so. Rotten apples make more rotten apples. Till one day the whole tree is rotten.



Well nuff of this, I know I mostly stand alone , but I will not back off, God wants me to say these things.



As for man healing man, I cannot access that part of the post, maybe I made too many upsit....eh?? Beware of man commanding another man be healed all this commanding stuff will get you into trouble.



Even the disciples of Jesus some of whom became Apostles for the new Church could not heal the man with Epilepsy and wondered why? Jesus told them because even though you are with me, you see it you still doubt. You do not have enough faith.



We as men, do have little doubts from time to time, it is our nature. We are forgiven, Jesus gave all for that. But you have to look at all things to understand only God can heal . Either by his will or through someone given that power and the faith to go with it. Many things enter into that, is the person worthy of healing at the time, is God dealing with that person one on one, do you know this. I do not.



Be careful how you are swayed.



That is what I am saying. Jesus loves us greatly, but he wishes us to follow his way, not accept and accept and tolerate and tolerate and let the tree become rotten.



Respectfully


Kit

 

[SpiritLedEd]

Ever wondered why Paul wanted Luke to travel with him?

Good point, Jiggy! Luke was a physician. Word of Faith believers seem to think that they can order up healing, as though they have authority to make the healing decision.

SLE

 

[El Hombre viejo]

<o> <o> <o> <o> Christians worship Jesus Christ but do not obey him</o></o>[/SIZE]</o></o>

<o> </o> Christians ceremonially worship and praise the Lord Jesus Christ in their churches. But they reject<u1> his commandments. That is, they do not obey him. </u1> Christians say that they believe Jesus Christ. But they believe their preachers more than they believe him.
Christians worship Jesus Christ ceremonially and call him their Savior. But they will not believe a single word that Jesus Christ tells them so that they escape hell. They would rather believe the preachers say what Jesus will do to take them out of hell. Preachers use this situation to exploit their congregation.
Jesus Christ said in the great commission that his disciples must teach the words of Jesus Christ to people for them to obey. He calls this as preaching the gospel. But, Christians think that they will be saved if they believe the story of Jesus Christ rather than obeying the words of Jesus Christ. That is why Bible truth is alien to most Christians. Usually, Christians read the Bible for religious or sentimental reasons. They ignore the words of Jesus Christ which is the true gospel.



I copied that , I have it saved as I think it says it best.

No sir God loves all. However as he loves and guides us we should accept the fact that we should live as he wishes us to. Jesus did not take the law of common sense and fair play away. We are not to accept all.



This acceptance is what is destroying our society , morally and economically.



Modern Christians love to preach love , and it is true under the gospel. But not true for total acceptance.



Why do you figure God himself wiped out many people in the beginning? Do you not think his love for the future of the human race was his concern. I think so. Rotten apples make more rotten apples. Till one day the whole tree is rotten.



Well nuff of this, I know I mostly stand alone , but I will not back off, God wants me to say these things.



As for man healing man, I cannot access that part of the post, maybe I made too many upsit....eh?? Beware of man commanding another man be healed all this commanding stuff will get you into trouble.



Even the disciples of Jesus some of whom became Apostles for the new Church could not heal the man with Epilepsy and wondered why? Jesus told them because even though you are with me, you see it you still doubt. You do not have enough faith.



We as men, do have little doubts from time to time, it is our nature. We are forgiven, Jesus gave all for that. But you have to look at all things to understand only God can heal . Either by his will or through someone given that power and the faith to go with it. Many things enter into that, is the person worthy of healing at the time, is God dealing with that person one on one, do you know this. I do not.



Be careful how you are swayed.



That is what I am saying. Jesus loves us greatly, but he wishes us to follow his way, not accept and accept and tolerate and tolerate and let the tree become rotten.



Respectfully


Kit

Kit are we talking about one Christian judging another here? For example; some Christians judging the so called Word of Faith Christians?

 

[Kit Carson]

Kit are we talking about one Christian judging another here? For example; some Christians judging the so called Word of Faith Christians?

Hey Good Morning.

I think the internet is good for some things and bad for others. I have played around with it quite a bit and for small helpful things it is a great benefit to many. You can impart peace and conviction to some with a simple kind message.

But when you get into the issues of the world and issues of the church and what people do, it is quite a challenge. Person to person with a smile an discussion can accomplish much, on the internet it goes too many directions.

The word Judging or viewing others is so misunderstood. It is natural as this is what we are all taught from day one. It is what we do , and how we honestly view things. It is also very hard to understand the truths God wants us to know. You have to go to him, pray for wisdom and understanding. One day all of a sudden the light bulb comes on.

No we are not to judge others as per punishments sake. For example if some bad person comes and kills your wife. Are we to go and take revenge. All of us would love to, it would be our first instinct and some of us would. I would sure be close, It would take God all he can do to make me talk to him first. But I would. I understand that what is done is done and revenge is not for me, but that God will deal with that person. I may not understand it, may not like it but I do accept it. That is one way of the word judging. God does not want me to judge someone to the point it brings me into violation of his way and causes me to fall.

On the other issues, I am free to observe and see what is taking place in the world, the church and all around me, I am free to judge and be aware. I am not to harm others but I do not have to tolerate them either. I have the freedom to walk away, to not be a part of them. Not bear them ill will but to protest, to speak against them, and to say the truth. That is not judging, it is what God wants all of us to do. To stand up for him, common sense and truth and God does use us to do this. Do so in a kind manner and by the will of God. If they are to be punished let him do it.

The Church fears this. 'God allows us to think and be us when we go to him. Modern religion fears those who love God. We are the enemy, the thorn in their tails. We are to be ushered to the door and asked to leave. We are dangerous to them. We need to be conquered. As they wish to use that word judge to use you, to gain control of you and many things. It is the way things are. It is misused and quite the challenge.

A police officer in the line of his duty kills a man. He had to act, judge and do in a short time. God is not going to hold him accountable for that. As the same for the ones who serve as executioner for an execution. We the people did judge these people and they gain the consequences. But God is watching it all . He blesses justice but not dishonor.

So if I walk into Benny Hinns church and stand up and tell him you are a con man, if and when I challenge him I not only challenge him, I challenge you and the entire church. The church has lived a lie so long it is a part of all things and those who attend are the church.

There is no winning this battle. God has already said what will happen and how things will be. So I will shut up, leave it alone. I talked to him about this for some time yesterday, and he says it will be so. One man or two cannot make a difference, all we can do is destroy ourselves in the trying. People do not wish to follow God, they wish to follow what suits them, what makes them feel good, what pleases their ears. They will just escort me to the door. So I view the modern church just like God does. I forgive them, but I do not have to be a part of them. I do have the freedom of choice to walk away from them. So that is how I look at that. In the end times there are going to be people who see God , know God and see his way , and his severe judgement and still arrogantly defy him. So sad for them. They will never prevail but they will try.

This all started with suffering and sickness. A great many con men out there make a good living off of suffering and sickness. I will go no further with this subject. This is something God has to talk to you about. I cannot accomplish it only he can. The truth of it is with each person and their relationship with God. When the human element enters the mix, it becomes corrupted, especially in the church.

God does allow suffering, sickness for his reasons, it is his call, not ours. No human is going to say, I command it to go away , that is the pride of a person , not something of God. God may heal someone in an instant, I have seen it, one day they have lung cancer the next day they do not. Praise God. !!! But he did that, not us. And the person has evidently fully accepted God. So that is their reward.

One on one, my heart tells you to find in the bible, I do not know as i do not remember scriptures, I read the bible from time time all the time as a whole thing not scriptures but God said do I not create the mute, the dumb and the blind?? I do not wish to mislead you only start the road to understanding many things.

Nuff of this, I will make it too complicated, cause things to be misunderstood, the internet is not the place to take this any further.

Respectfully

Kit

 

[El Hombre viejo]

Hey Good Morning.

I think the internet is good for some things and bad for others. I have played around with it quite a bit and for small helpful things it is a great benefit to many. You can impart peace and conviction to some with a simple kind message.

But when you get into the issues of the world and issues of the church and what people do, it is quite a challenge. Person to person with a smile an discussion can accomplish much, on the internet it goes too many directions.

The word Judging or viewing others is so misunderstood. It is natural as this is what we are all taught from day one. It is what we do , and how we honestly view things. It is also very hard to understand the truths God wants us to know. You have to go to him, pray for wisdom and understanding. One day all of a sudden the light bulb comes on.

No we are not to judge others as per punishments sake. For example if some bad person comes and kills your wife. Are we to go and take revenge. All of us would love to, it would be our first instinct and some of us would. I would sure be close, It would take God all he can do to make me talk to him first. But I would. I understand that what is done is done and revenge is not for me, but that God will deal with that person. I may not understand it, may not like it but I do accept it. That is one way of the word judging. God does not want me to judge someone to the point it brings me into violation of his way and causes me to fall.

On the other issues, I am free to observe and see what is taking place in the world, the church and all around me, I am free to judge and be aware. I am not to harm others but I do not have to tolerate them either. I have the freedom to walk away, to not be a part of them. Not bear them ill will but to protest, to speak against them, and to say the truth. That is not judging, it is what God wants all of us to do. To stand up for him, common sense and truth and God does use us to do this. Do so in a kind manner and by the will of God. If they are to be punished let him do it.

The Church fears this. 'God allows us to think and be us when we go to him. Modern religion fears those who love God. We are the enemy, the thorn in their tails. We are to be ushered to the door and asked to leave. We are dangerous to them. We need to be conquered. As they wish to use that word judge to use you, to gain control of you and many things. It is the way things are. It is misused and quite the challenge.

A police officer in the line of his duty kills a man. He had to act, judge and do in a short time. God is not going to hold him accountable for that. As the same for the ones who serve as executioner for an execution. We the people did judge these people and they gain the consequences. But God is watching it all . He blesses justice but not dishonor.

So if I walk into Benny Hinns church and stand up and tell him you are a con man, if and when I challenge him I not only challenge him, I challenge you and the entire church. The church has lived a lie so long it is a part of all things and those who attend are the church.

There is no winning this battle. God has already said what will happen and how things will be. So I will shut up, leave it alone. I talked to him about this for some time yesterday, and he says it will be so. One man or two cannot make a difference, all we can do is destroy ourselves in the trying. People do not wish to follow God, they wish to follow what suits them, what makes them feel good, what pleases their ears. They will just escort me to the door. So I view the modern church just like God does. I forgive them, but I do not have to be a part of them. I do have the freedom of choice to walk away from them. So that is how I look at that. In the end times there are going to be people who see God , know God and see his way , and his severe judgement and still arrogantly defy him. So sad for them. They will never prevail but they will try.

This all started with suffering and sickness. A great many con men out there make a good living off of suffering and sickness. I will go no further with this subject. This is something God has to talk to you about. I cannot accomplish it only he can. The truth of it is with each person and their relationship with God. When the human element enters the mix, it becomes corrupted, especially in the church.

God does allow suffering, sickness for his reasons, it is his call, not ours. No human is going to say, I command it to go away , that is the pride of a person , not something of God. God may heal someone in an instant, I have seen it, one day they have lung cancer the next day they do not. Praise God. !!! But he did that, not us. And the person has evidently fully accepted God. So that is their reward.

One on one, my heart tells you to find in the bible, I do not know as i do not remember scriptures, I read the bible from time time all the time as a whole thing not scriptures but God said do I not create the mute, the dumb and the blind?? I do not wish to mislead you only start the road to understanding many things.

Nuff of this, I will make it too complicated, cause things to be misunderstood, the internet is not the place to take this any further.

Respectfully

Kit

There ARE many con men and shysters out there. Keep in mind though... Satan has a counterfeit for every good thing God has for us. You already know that. but....Conversely for every counterfeit thing Satan throws at you God has the real deal. All I'm saying is...Don't throw out the real thing because there is a counterfeit for it. Many many Christians do just that.