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the whole 'saved' debate is garbage imo to be honest. we must have hope of salvation unto the very end.


there is no 'oh i believe in jesus im saved, lalala, let me go sin a bunches' no.


AMy friend, as far as the your first statement, I believe the bible is at odds with your opinion. Salvation (deliverance, new life, etc) starts the moment you are born again.

As far as your second statement I have never met anyone who met Jesus Christ and deliberately went out and sinned.
But agree or disagree, I think it is important to be respectful of the views of others.
 
im in trouble!

some of my habitual sins repeat themselves...

how do i succeed at repentance?!

Dear Brother and friend in Jesus....You are not in trouble. None are in trouble who sincerely try to follow Jesus.

Even the great Apostle Paul said that he brought his body into subjection....1 Cor 9: 27....etc

Be blessed
 
Bro Joe

How do you go from saved to unsaved. Paul ( talking about Apostacy) talks about this in Hebrews 6:4.

Verse 4 is the start of the sentance.......the sentance ends with the fullstop after verse 6

The sentance is speaking about Christian's who become apostates.

We have to stay saved......Jesus said 'He that followeth me.....shall not walk in darkness........we have to keep following Him....it is a daily excercise......it is the Christian life.

the Apostle talked about being 'crucified with Christ' he talked about 'dying daily' ......he talked about 'bringing his body into subjection...lest he too be lost'

What is he talking about with such expressions? He is talking about the Christian life....he is talking about following Jesus

Be blessed ....in His Love
 
Bro Joe

How do you go from saved to unsaved. Paul ( talking about Apostacy) talks about this in Hebrews 6:4.

Verse 4 is the start of the sentance.......the sentance ends with the fullstop after verse 6

The sentance is speaking about Christian's who become apostates.

We have to stay saved......Jesus said 'He that followeth me.....shall not walk in darkness........we have to keep following Him....it is a daily excercise......it is the Christian life.

the Apostle talked about being 'crucified with Christ' he talked about 'dying daily' ......he talked about 'bringing his body into subjection...lest he too be lost'

What is he talking about with such expressions? He is talking about the Christian life....he is talking about following Jesus

Be blessed ....in His Love

I agree that Paul was talking about Apostacy but this denouncing the faith was caused by non-believers. lets look at the verses one more time"
It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, 6if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because<SUP>b</SUP> to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.

Paul is saying that once you are "born again" you can't be un-born!
Once God is in you He promises to never leave. If you are truly born again, it is impossible to fall away after tasting the heavenly gift and the Holy Spirit. Paul was refering to those who, though playing the role of a Christian , in fact, were never saved in the first place and were considered renegades and traitors.
 
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ChildernOflight, you are saved by your belief in grace and it is a gift and if it is a gift it is free. There is nothing to do, no works, including your death.

Here is what lies ahead after death and what we should have hope in, not salvation, that is already here, nothing can take that away, not even Satan:



My friend what you make of life is mainly up to you and how you allow Christ to work through you. Your hope can not be found from this world, your hope is in Jesus Christ and your future perfection (glory) in heaven.
You must be "born-again" after which, look up whence your hope comes from!


ohhh, i see i see! thank you!

AMy friend, as far as the your first statement, I believe the bible is at odds with your opinion. Salvation (deliverance, new life, etc) starts the moment you are born again.

As far as your second statement I have never met anyone who met Jesus Christ and deliberately went out and sinned.
But agree or disagree, I think it is important to be respectful of the views of others.

yes! i had difficulty understanding the saved thing, i thought saved was the action of going to heaven and getting saved at the last day through salvation upon bodily expiration.

i can't meet Jesus until heaven?... I can only have faith and trust in the spirit deliverence?

sometimes i suffer afflictions, please bear with me
 
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yes! i had difficulty understanding the saved thing, i thought saved was the action of going to heaven and getting saved at the last day through salvation upon bodily expiration.

i can't meet Jesus until heaven?... I can only have faith and trust in the spirit deliverence?

sometimes i suffer afflictions, please bear with me
There is nothing to bear with my friend. On any given subject you may get 1,000 different views and there is room for diversity of thought in the body.
Hopefully you have already met Jesus though. If so then His resurrection power is in you and you have experienced the new birth (born again of the Spirit).
 
If our focus is just on Hebrews 6 chapter then everyone has lost their salvation. Because everyone has sin willfully(because really for each ones choice where do you draw the line?).
But please shall we not consider the whole counsel of God?
My bible says in,
2Co 12:9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
Shall I ask what does these two words in bold mean? Do they mean things other then sin and will? Do I turn in my strength or do I put to death the misdeeds of the body through the Spirit?
My God shall supply my need of my infirmities because of my weakness by his Spirit through Jesus Christ. Im going to stand with Jesus on what he has promised that he would Never ever disown me not even in my unfaithfulness to him. This makes me to want to love him more does it make you want to love him more?
Those who never been born again cannot and will not love Jesus. These are the ones who came near the table of grace tasted it and refused it in their choice. These are the apostates!
 
I am new here so I hope I am posting this in the right place.

I was reading this verse and i am not sure what it is trying to say exactly. When i first read it i thought one thing but after looking it over i realized it might not be saying what i thought it was. I mainly need help with what i have in red

HEBREWS 10:26-27

<sup class="versenum" id="en-NKJV-30156">26</sup> For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, <sup class="versenum" id="en-NKJV-30157">27</sup> but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries.


Any help would be appreciated, thanks in advance and God bless

Dear brother,

What I can tell you is that,

Romans 3:23 We have all sinned and fallen short of God's glory..

We are all sinners, but God in His great mercy chose to send His only Son to earth, so that He might take our sins upon Himself upon the cross. So when we accept His forgiveness, we are made right in His eyes, by faith. The righteousness what we have is His, but not ours.

But His grace was given unto us, not that we might have a license to sin. It is human nature, we sin everyday by thought, word and deed. But we're not supposed to willfully go astray and turn against God. That's what Hebrews 10:26-27 means to tell us.

God bless you.
 
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Dear brother,

What I can tell you is that,

Romans 3:23 We have all sinned and fallen short of God's glory..

We are all sinners, but God in His great mercy chose to send His only Son to earth, so that He might take our sins upon Himself upon the cross. So when we accept His forgiveness, we are made right in His eyes, by faith. The righteousness what we have is His, but not ours.

But His grace was given unto us, not that we might have a license to sin. It is human nature, we sin everyday by thought, word and deed. But we're not supposed to willfully go astray and turn against God. That's what Hebrews 10:26-27 means to tell us.

God bless you.

Please help me. Are you holding the position that a born again believer now can lose their salvation? Or are you trying to say that unbelievers who willfully sin, turning away, after hearing the gospel will never receive it?
 
I agree that Paul was talking about Apostacy but this denouncing the faith was caused by non-believers. lets look at the verses one more time"
It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, 6if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because<SUP>b</SUP> to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.

Paul is saying that once you are "born again" you can't be un-born!
Once God is in you He promises to never leave. If you are truly born again, it is impossible to fall away after tasting the heavenly gift and the Holy Spirit. Paul was refering to those who, though playing the role of a Christian , in fact, were never saved in the first place and were considered renegades and traitors.



I hear you brother Joe.......and I wish you every blessing.......in Jesus

In His Love......and blessing to you....in Jesus
 
Please help me. Are you holding the position that a born again believer now can lose their salvation? Or are you trying to say that unbelievers who willfully sin, turning away, after hearing the gospel will never receive it?

Yes brother your right. I'm trying to say that a born again believer can loose his/her salvation by willfully going astray. I'm not talking about the unbelievers.

But God is a gracious God. He still gives chances, to turn back to Him. He is still faithful to us, even when we are unfaithful to Him. There is no other way to eternal life, but through Jesus.

God bless you.
 
Yes brother your right. I'm trying to say that a born again believer can loose his/her salvation by willfully going astray. I'm not talking about the unbelievers.

But God is a gracious God. He still gives chances, to turn back to Him. He is still faithful to us, even when we are unfaithful to Him. There is no other way to eternal life, but through Jesus.

God bless you.

I respectfully think that you have this wrong. Paul is talking about "Willfull" sinners as never being saved in the first place. A "Born-Again" person does not go around willfully sinning. I have news for you, all Christians sin and will until the day they die in the flesh!..but willfuly, no!

Look at Webster's definition of willful: "governed by the will without yielding to reason,obstinate: intentional"
If you have Christ living in you, you are constanly being convicted by the Holy Spirit and you are not going to say: "No, I am goining to do this sin no matter what you say God!...because I want to and it feels good!"
Too many Christians , if they have some degree of habitual sin in their lives , feel they therefore are not saved, that God must not not love and care about them. They often get in this "yo-yo" up and down cyle with God because, of their feeling good about themselves one time and then come crashing down because they just messed up. That is not willful, this is being out of control with the flesh. I know that there are many drug, alcohol,sex addicted people that go through this cyclel, are they all therefore not saved, absolutely NOT!
God tells us that the only unpardonable (un-forgiveable) sin is unbelief. This also means that any willfull sinner, as long as they are alive, can still be reconciled to God and be saved.

Being a believer and receiver of the Holy Spirit, does not automatically free you from sin. It is a life long process of God refining you and making you righteous. But since you are not perfect yet, it is Jesus Christ's righteousness, in you, that will carry you through to the end.

Sin is important because it does seperates us from God but, why? God is absolute perfection and we are not. It is like it is a natural law that He has set up from the begining, that, absolute perfection can not coexist with perfection...Him! Or hope in heaven is not our salvation, the millesecond that you are "Born-Again", your salvation is secure and has already come. Our hope in heaven is in our glory to come, being made perfect (finally sinless) so we can look at God "face to face", as St. Paul describes it and, coexist with Him forever..halleluja and amen!

Your sin is important but unless you are not a true believer, your sin will no longer seperate you from God. You have to keep working on it, through prayer, reading God's word and your own due deligence in allowing Jesus Christ to continually gain control in your life, allowing Him to live His lifer through you.

Have faith in Him and He will continually remove the things that seperate Him from you!
 
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Go get em again Joe.

I must further add.
God the father has a Son his name is Jesus, God the Son. Would the father ever say to Jesus "Your lost Son"?
No.
Is Jesus in you? Is he? Have you been bought with a price or an exchange of service like I save you if you do this or that. A true born again blood bought Christian has Christ Jesus on the inside No devil no sin no nothing will ever separate you from the love of God. This is written in stone by God himself in his word out of his love for you who have repented and called on Jesus as Lord. Yes we do sin but if one is legitimately born again he will not let it have dominion over him!
 
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1Jn 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
1Jn 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
1Jn 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.




Joh 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.


1Jn 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
 
Blessings to all....in Jesus.


Please be patient with me as I close this thread.....feeling that at this point in time enough has been said...........


Be blessed....In His Love
 
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