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We Are the Elect Now

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The New Covenant has begun and of course what happens at Pentecost is directly tied back to what Jesus did on the cross and his resurrection. In the Old Testament, prior to the New Covenant, the notion of being elect and being a believer in Yahweh, a follower of Yahweh are actually two separable classes. Now Israel was elect, but that was no guarantee that an Israelite would be saved, or would be a believer, or would be a follower in Yahweh. Is election and salvation synonyms? No, they’re not, they are related concepts, but they are not synonyms. Israel was elect, we see that very plainly in the Old Testament.

We have a lot of elect people who are called Israelites and a significant number of them, apostatize. They worship other gods, and that’s the reason there was an exile. Either you’re going to say that you have Baal worshippers in heaven, you could worship Baal and still be a believer, the story of the exile would suggest dramatically otherwise. Or you have to see election as something that is not synonymous with salvation. What’s going to happen here in the New Covenant is that no longer are you going to have elect and believer in Yahweh be two separable classes.

In the Old Testament, the people of God by definition, the children of Abraham, Israelites, they were elect. A follower, you had to join yourself to the nation of Israel, in effect become a Israelite. You had to be circumcised as a male. You had to go through various rituals, various acts to join the nation of Israel, because that’s how things were defined. The New Covenant people of God is a circumcision neutral body. The body of Christ, it doesn’t matter if you’re Jew or Gentile, all believers are people of God, and by definition, all believers are elect. The New Covenant period, you have an overlapping, the concept of election, someone who’s elect, and someone who is actually a believer in Yahweh. In the Old Testament, you didn’t have that.

We have a lot of elect people who are called Israelites and a significant number of them, apostatize. They worship other gods, and that’s the reason there was an exile. Either you’re going to say that you have Baal worshippers in heaven, you could worship Baal and still be a believer, the story of the exile would suggest dramatically otherwise. Or you have to see election as something that is not synonymous with salvation. What’s going to happen here in the New Covenant is that no longer are you going to have elect and believer in Yahweh be two separable classes.

The New Covenant people of God is a circumcision neutral body. The body of Christ, it doesn’t matter if you’re Jew or Gentile, all believers are people of God, and by definition, all believers are elect. The New Covenant period, you have an overlapping, the concept of election, someone who’s elect, and someone who is actually a believer in Yahweh. In the Old Testament, you didn’t have that. So Gentiles, if they believe in the Messiah, if they believe in Jesus, they inherit the Abrahamic covenant. So by definition, they are a believer and they are also elect.
 
I agree with the main premise of this. I don't believe in "replacement" theology, but rather "merging" theology.
We don't "replace" the Jews, we are in addition to the Jews. Both the native and wild branches are both grafted into the same tree.
Not two different trees.

Christ broke down the dividing wall between the Jews and the Gentiles. He didn't replace the Jews with the Gentiles.

This does cause a problem for pre-trib rapture believers
:)

Matt 24 and Mark 13 say the "elect" are gathered up AFTER the tribulation.
 
I agree with the main premise of this. I don't believe in "replacement" theology, but rather "merging" theology.
We don't "replace" the Jews, we are in addition to the Jews. Both the native and wild branches are both grafted into the same tree.
Not two different trees.

Christ broke down the dividing wall between the Jews and the Gentiles. He didn't replace the Jews with the Gentiles.

This does cause a problem for pre-trib rapture believers
:)

Matt 24 and Mark 13 say the "elect" are gathered up AFTER the tribulation.
May God fill us with his love and wisdom

Dear brother,
I agree with you, Paul talks about what a true Jew is in the scripture. And I know that many people believe he's talking about the Jews when he is not. He's not talking about the Israelites. He's talking about the spiritual Jew. The true child of God, the true favored of God.

He says that a true Jew is one whose heart is circumcised not the physical circumcision but the spiritual circumcision of the heart.

Who Paul is talking about are not only the Jews but us, the Christians. The Christians who have received Jesus in their hearts these are the people who are the true Jews

May Jesus always love you, bill
 
Book of Saint John the Apostle, chapter 8:

42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not."

Israel is the name of the obedient, not the corrupted children of Japheth which have become the children of Lucifer (Revelation 3:9) that have nothing to do with Shem or down the line, Eber - because they perish as unrepentant anti-Christ. Bearing false witness is an offense of the Hell-bound. This is a very horrible behavior. I know firsthand. Please stop.

The elect obey Jesus Christ, the Way, the Truth, the Life. ️
 
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

I'm not sure the Pharisees qualify as a good cross section of Israel as a whole.
 
In Acts chapter 6, their’s a Jewish framework that’s going to shift, especially with Paul the apostle to the Gentiles. The program initially begins with those who are committed to the God of Israel, Judaism, living out scattered among the nations. They believe and start spreading the kingdom of God in those places outside Jerusalem.
 
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