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Was the thief in Paradise "that day"?

That's what your holy book says; and yours isn't the only holy book out there to choose from.
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There is only one Holy Bible my friend, but there are many translations.

There is only one Holy Bible, which includes 52 books, 2 testaments, but as stated there are many translations.

When you refer to there being more than one Holy Book out there, may I ask which you are referring to?

Shalom
 
I have to wonder when people ask over and over again.. what does that mean? The answer has plainly been given to them.

2Tim 3:1; But realize this, that in the last days difficult times will come.
2Tim 3:2; For men will be ...
2Tim 3:5; holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power; Avoid such men as these.
2Tim 3:7; always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
2Tim 3:8; Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so these men also oppose the truth, men of depraved mind, rejected in regard to the faith.
2Tim 3:9; But they will not make further progress; for their folly will be obvious to all, just as Jannes's and Jambres's folly was also.

Some people are always "learning", but never come to the knowledge of the truth. They never make any "further progress".
Usually when someone asks what does this mean, they are asking for your explanation. If you're unable to answer them just say I don't know. Insinuating that I have a depraved mind and reject truth doesn't really help your argument or answer the question. I find it interesting that you would insinuate that I reject truth when I've presented plenty of evidence in this thread that has been completely ignored. Earlier I posted a post that showed many correlations between the Rich Man and the priesthood and then between Lazarus and Jesus. A post to which you replied. However, you completely ignored the details of the parable of Lazarus and the Rich Man and instead commented on the parable of the vineyard. This makes me wonder who's rejecting truth.
 
I am going to rearrange, Sue statement here, for another positive view in the room, to add a little more clarity to see if it makes a difference.

Sue said: "Jesus is the Son of God. the 2nd part of the Godhead. It's true that He was here in the form of a man / born into the Jewish culture. But He was here as God incarnate."

My rearrange of words: The Son of God who took on human flesh to become and called by the name, a human name "Immanuel" [Jesus]. For the Son of God is always the Son of God no matter what form He chooses to take, He is always and always will be the"2nd part of the Godhead! It's true that He was here in the form of a man/ born into Jewish culture. But He still is God the Son no matter what He does or chose to be, He is "immutable"! "God is incomprehensible to a finite being"! So do not even say: "How can HE do that"!
The answer is; Because He is GOD. :cool: Notice the rearrange of the 1st part of her statement and I am not taking away from her statement but viewing it from a different position as you would view a picture in a gallery. And everyone knows what the name "Immanuel" means.
I was actually looking for Sue's explanation, which is why I asked. However, since you replied, I'd ask, what is the Godhead? What does, "took on human flesh" mean? I ask these questions because people throw these words around as if everyone has the same understanding of them.

I would submit that Jesus is not immutable. The fact that He came as man shows He's not immutable. Paul said that Christ emptied himself of the form of God to come in the form of man. That is change.
 
1st. Question you are ask me: "What is the Godhead"
Answer: it is a "Anthropomorphic word" describing "The Almighty GOD". "The Father, The SON [WORD] and The Holy Spirit". And that is the very best way that a human being can describe a " Infinite incomprehensible being" by a finite mind, which always come up short in explanation in defining "Capital, "GOD" form.

2nd. Question: "What does, "took on human flesh" mean?
Answer: like a naked man putting on a coat. Now he looks different and Is presentable to the outside world.

Your submit form is well taken and rightly documented. But it is also recorded in the "Holy Scriptures" He will be born of a virgin and His name will be "Immanuel". And the "Almighty GOD" cannot lie! And "Holy Scripture" cannot be broken!

Your honor, I rest my case! He is GOD's Son Let Him Back Him Up!
 
Isaiah 9:6-7
For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and of peace there will be no end, on the throne of David and over his kingdom, to establish it and to uphold it with justice and with righteousness from this time forth and forevermore. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will do this.



This is Jesus Christ lord and savior, king of king and lord of lord, he is God in the flesh, if you dont get that, my heart goes out to you.
 
(copied my post from another thread)

Jesus is God.

Tit 2:13; looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus,

2Pet 1:1; Simon Peter, a bond-servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours, by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ:

Heb 1:8; But of the Son He says, "YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER, AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM.

Even the Father calls the Son God.

John 1:1; In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:2; He was in the beginning with God.

He was with God, and He was God.

Matt 1:23; "BEHOLD, THE VIRGIN SHALL BE WITH CHILD AND SHALL BEAR A SON, AND THEY SHALL CALL HIS NAME IMMANUEL," which translated means, "GOD WITH US."

Jesus is/was God with us. Not sort of God, not a god, not half god. But "God" with us.

Isa 9:6; For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.

The Son is "Mighty God".

John 5:18; For this reason therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because He not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God.

Gen 1:1; In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

God created the heavens and the earth.

Col 1:16; For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him.

Jesus created the heavens and the Earth... Jesus is God.

God the Father is God. He is the alpha and omega, (first and last)

Rev 21:6; Then He said to me, "It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give to the one who thirsts from the spring of the water of life without cost.
Rev 21:7; "He who overcomes will inherit these things, and I will be his God and he will be My son.

Jesus is the alpha and omega also.

Rev 1:8 "I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."

Rev 22:13; "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end."

A "mere man" can never be your redeemer.

Psa 49:7; No man can by any means redeem his brother Or give to God a ransom for him—

But God can.

Psa 49:15; But God will redeem my soul from the power of Sheol, For He will receive me. Selah.

Is Jesus your redeemer? ( Gal 4:5; Tit 2:14; )

Do you worship Jesus? Do you worship anyone who is not God?

Rev 15:4; "Who will not fear, O Lord, and glorify Your name? For You alone are holy; For ALL THE NATIONS WILL COME AND WORSHIP BEFORE YOU, FOR YOUR RIGHTEOUS ACTS HAVE BEEN REVEALED."

Matt 2:11; After coming into the house they saw the Child with Mary His mother; and they fell to the ground and worshiped Him. Then, opening their treasures, they presented to Him gifts of gold, frankincense, and myrrh.
Matt 14:33; And those who were in the boat worshiped Him, saying, "You are certainly God's Son!"
Matt 28:9; And behold, Jesus met them and greeted them. And they came up and took hold of His feet and worshiped Him.

Thomas called Jesus God, Jesus didn't tell Thomas He wasn't.

John 20:28; Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"
John 20:29; Jesus *said to him, "Because you have seen Me, have you believed? Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed."

The "fulness" of deity is in Jesus, not part deity, not "kind of" deity, but the fullness of feity.

Col 2:9; For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form,

[NLT]
John 1:18; No one has ever seen God. But the unique One, who is himself God, is near to the Father’s heart. He has revealed God to us.
[NIV]
John 1:18; No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.
[NASB]
John 1:18; No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.

Any valid doctrine of Jesus must agree with all of these verses.
 
the bible tells us God becomes flesh, its in the bible, clear as day to some, yet a mystery to others, proving other things the bible says about those who know Jesus and dont know Jesus.

The good news is its never to late to repent and seek him !!!

Sin is what keeps us from knowing and growing Repent !!!

here we see the word is God

John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.


John 1:14
And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.


this is Jesus right here Praise the Lord
 
I have to wonder when people ask over and over again.. what does that mean? The answer has plainly been given to them.

2Tim 3:1; But realize this, that in the last days difficult times will come.
2Tim 3:2; For men will be ...
2Tim 3:5; holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power; Avoid such men as these.
2Tim 3:7; always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
2Tim 3:8;
(copied my post from another thread)

Jesus is God.

Tit 2:13; looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus,

2Pet 1:1; Simon Peter, a bond-servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours, by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ:

Heb 1:8; But of the Son He says, "YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER, AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM.

Even the Father calls the Son God.

John 1:1; In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:2; He was in the beginning with God.

He was with God, and He was God.

Matt 1:23; "BEHOLD, THE VIRGIN SHALL BE WITH CHILD AND SHALL BEAR A SON, AND THEY SHALL CALL HIS NAME IMMANUEL," which translated means, "GOD WITH US."

Jesus is/was God with us. Not sort of God, not a god, not half god. But "God" with us.

Isa 9:6; For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.

The Son is "Mighty God".

John 5:18; For this reason therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because He not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God.

Gen 1:1; In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

God created the heavens and the earth.

Col 1:16; For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him.

Jesus created the heavens and the Earth... Jesus is God.

God the Father is God. He is the alpha and omega, (first and last)

Rev 21:6; Then He said to me, "It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give to the one who thirsts from the spring of the water of life without cost.
Rev 21:7; "He who overcomes will inherit these things, and I will be his God and he will be My son.

Jesus is the alpha and omega also.

Rev 1:8 "I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."

Rev 22:13; "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end."

A "mere man" can never be your redeemer.

Psa 49:7; No man can by any means redeem his brother Or give to God a ransom for him—

But God can.

Psa 49:15; But God will redeem my soul from the power of Sheol, For He will receive me. Selah.

Is Jesus your redeemer? ( Gal 4:5; Tit 2:14; )

Do you worship Jesus? Do you worship anyone who is not God?

Rev 15:4; "Who will not fear, O Lord, and glorify Your name? For You alone are holy; For ALL THE NATIONS WILL COME AND WORSHIP BEFORE YOU, FOR YOUR RIGHTEOUS ACTS HAVE BEEN REVEALED."

Matt 2:11; After coming into the house they saw the Child with Mary His mother; and they fell to the ground and worshiped Him. Then, opening their treasures, they presented to Him gifts of gold, frankincense, and myrrh.
Matt 14:33; And those who were in the boat worshiped Him, saying, "You are certainly God's Son!"
Matt 28:9; And behold, Jesus met them and greeted them. And they came up and took hold of His feet and worshiped Him.

Thomas called Jesus God, Jesus didn't tell Thomas He wasn't.

John 20:28; Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"
John 20:29; Jesus *said to him, "Because you have seen Me, have you believed? Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed."

The "fulness" of deity is in Jesus, not part deity, not "kind of" deity, but the fullness of feity.

Col 2:9; For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form,

[NLT]
John 1:18; No one has ever seen God. But the unique One, who is himself God, is near to the Father’s heart. He has revealed God to us.
[NIV]
John 1:18; No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.
[NASB]
John 1:18; No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.

Any valid doctrine of Jesus must agree with all of these verses.
You posted these passages but you didnt answer the question. What does it mean that Jesus is God.

I'm aware of the passages you posted. However, how you interpret them is likely different than how I interpret them. So, just posting them doesnt answer the question.
 
1st. Question you are ask me: "What is the Godhead"
Answer: it is a "Anthropomorphic word" describing "The Almighty GOD". "The Father, The SON [WORD] and The Holy Spirit". And that is the very best way that a human being can describe a " Infinite incomprehensible being" by a finite mind, which always come up short in explanation in defining "Capital, "GOD" form.

2nd. Question: "What does, "took on human flesh" mean?
Answer: like a naked man putting on a coat. Now he looks different and Is presentable to the outside world.

Your submit form is well taken and rightly documented. But it is also recorded in the "Holy Scriptures" He will be born of a virgin and His name will be "Immanuel". And the "Almighty GOD" cannot lie! And "Holy Scripture" cannot be broken!

Your honor, I rest my case! He is GOD's Son Let Him Back Him Up!
The word Godhead is just another form of the word Godhood. It's like brotherhood or motherhood etc. It simply means divine.

In your second answer are you saying that Jesus just put on flesh or did He literally become flesh?

Yes, He is referred to as God with us. The Greek word theos simply means deity. It's used of the true God and also of pagan gods.
 
the bible tells us God becomes flesh, its in the bible, clear as day to some, yet a mystery to others, proving other things the bible says about those who know Jesus and dont know Jesus.

The good news is its never to late to repent and seek him !!!

Sin is what keeps us from knowing and growing Repent !!!

here we see the word is God

John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.


John 1:14
And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.


this is Jesus right here Praise the Lord

Yes, the Bible calls Jesus God, That's not what I asked. I asked was does that mean? What does it mean that Jesus is God.
 
What is God to you?
God means deity. It is used to refer to deity in the Bible. It is used of the Father, the Son, and it is also used of pagan gods. As Paul said,

As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.
5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.1 (1 Cor. 8:4-6 KJV)

"But to us there is one God, the Father". Both the Father and Jesus are Deity. However, as far as authority is concerned there is one God, the Father.
 
So which of these is Jesus to you? 'The' true God, or 'a' pagan god?
Jesus is the Son of the one true God.

These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. (Jn. 17:1-3 KJV)
 
Jesus is the Son of the one true God.

These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. (Jn. 17:1-3 KJV)

I agree with these scriptures. Jesus is the Son of God. But that doesn't answer my question.

You give one verse, I gave over a dozen, how does this agree or disagree with the ones I gave?
 
I agree with these scriptures. Jesus is the Son of God. But that doesn't answer my question.

You give one verse, I gave over a dozen, how does this agree or disagree with the ones I gave?
I did answer your question. You asked, "So which of these is Jesus to you? 'The' true God, or 'a' pagan god? " I said He is the Son of the one true God. If He's the Son of the one true God, then He's not the one true God and He's not a pagan God
 
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I didn't say anything about worship. Jesus said the Father is the one true God. Do you believe that?

The trinity is one entity. One God made up of three persons.

The US government has three branches, the legislative, executive and judicial branches.. but it's still one government.
A tricycle has 3 wheels, but it's still one tricycle.
An egg has a yolk, an eggwhite, and a shell, but it's still just one egg.
A family might have a father, a mother, and a son, but it's still one family.
God has the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, but it's still just one God.

Jesus said the Father is the one true God. Do you believe that?

..and the Father said Jesus is God. Do you believe that?

Heb 1:8; But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
 
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