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In my reading, God rested on the seventh day and got back to work on the eighth day of creation, forming Adam, making this the second week of creation, which will make Christ's millenium reign God's second day of rest.
Was Adam formed or created?
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Genesis Chapter 1 to Genesis Chapter 2 verse 3 is an overview of the Creation of the Heavens and Earth.
Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
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Adam was already mentioned created on the sixth day in Genesis Chapter 1 verse 26-27
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
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From Gen 2:4 and onward it starts to get a little more into the generations and some specifics
Gen 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
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Lastly Adam was both formed and created; "to answer your main question"
Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Gen 5:1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
Gen 5:2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
Genesis Chapter 1 to Genesis Chapter 2 verse 3 is an overview of the Creation of the Heavens and Earth.
Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
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Adam was already mentioned created on the sixth day in Genesis Chapter 1 verse 26-27
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
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From Gen 2:4 and onward it starts to get a little more into the generations and some specifics
Gen 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
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Lastly Adam was both formed and created; "to answer your main question"
Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Gen 5:1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
Gen 5:2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
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I know this is the generally accepted understanding. You may cling to it as many have, do, and will. I had to dig deeper and seek harder myself.
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You ask a question you seem to have an answer to and even when an answer is given you withhold your answer/wisdom.
You ask a question you seem to have an answer to and even when an answer is given you withhold your answer/wisdom.
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If you are going to not consider what I have written will you have me argue? In my, just another mere human's, understanding humans were created in the sixth day or phase of creation. Adam, who is the first ancestor in the family that would deliver the seed of the woman or Jesus, was formed on the first day of the second week of universe in which we are nearing the completion culminating in God/Jesus' second day of rest. Genesis 5 reveals the prejudice of other humans who aren't of the Jewish family, deeming or considering them sub or non human. I am not about being mad nor bothering you. I hope this helps if you will consider my understanding . How could Adam and Eve been "created", male and female, on the sixth day when Adam's rib, during a period between Adam and this, was taken for Eve?
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Is it possible for you to go thru line by line your specific sources for each point so one can know where you are coming from? I did so when I answered your question and I am including further info below.
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Gen 1:26 And GodH430 said,H559 Let us makeH6213 manH120 in our image,H6754 after our likeness:H1823 and let them have dominionH7287 over the fishH1710 of the sea,H3220 and over the fowlH5775 of the air,H8064 and over the cattle,H929 and over allH3605 the earth,H776 and over everyH3605 creeping thingH7431 that creepethH7430 uponH5921 the earth.H776
Gen 1:27 So GodH430 createdH1254 (H853) manH120 in his own image,H6754 in the imageH6754 of GodH430 createdH1254 he him; maleH2145 and femaleH5347 createdH1254 he them.
(KJV) https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?t=kjv&strongs=h120
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Gen 2:19 And out ofH4480 the groundH127 the LORDH3068 GodH430 formedH3335 everyH3605 beastH2416 of the field,H7704 and everyH3605 fowlH5775 of the air;H8064 and broughtH935 them untoH413 AdamH121 to seeH7200 whatH4100 he would callH7121 them: and whatsoeverH3605 H834 AdamH121 calledH7121 every livingH2416 creature,H5315 thatH1931 was the nameH8034 thereof.
(KJV) https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?t=kjv&strongs=h121
ʼÂdâm, aw-dawm'; the same as H120; Adam the name of the first man, also of a place in Palestine:—Adam.
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Gen 5:4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:
Gen 5:5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.
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Is it possible for you to go thru line by line your specific sources for each point so one can know where you are coming from? I did so when I answered your question and I am including further info below.
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Gen 1:26 And GodH430 said,H559 Let us makeH6213 manH120 in our image,H6754 after our likeness:H1823 and let them have dominionH7287 over the fishH1710 of the sea,H3220 and over the fowlH5775 of the air,H8064 and over the cattle,H929 and over allH3605 the earth,H776 and over everyH3605 creeping thingH7431 that creepethH7430 uponH5921 the earth.H776
Gen 1:27 So GodH430 createdH1254 (H853) manH120 in his own image,H6754 in the imageH6754 of GodH430 createdH1254 he him; maleH2145 and femaleH5347 createdH1254 he them.
(KJV) https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?t=kjv&strongs=h120
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Gen 2:19 And out ofH4480 the groundH127 the LORDH3068 GodH430 formedH3335 everyH3605 beastH2416 of the field,H7704 and everyH3605 fowlH5775 of the air;H8064 and broughtH935 them untoH413 AdamH121 to seeH7200 whatH4100 he would callH7121 them: and whatsoeverH3605 H834 AdamH121 calledH7121 every livingH2416 creature,H5315 thatH1931 was the nameH8034 thereof.
(KJV) https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?t=kjv&strongs=h121
ʼÂdâm, aw-dawm'; the same as H120; Adam the name of the first man, also of a place in Palestine:—Adam.
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Gen 5:4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:
Gen 5:5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.
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Dear Brothers,
Something of interest to you both might be what is called a Chronological Bible. Though I'm sure it will create an even greater dissension. However, I do believe that in this particular discussion of yours it might actually assist. At least that is my hope.
The one I have found to be interesting, not necessarily helpful for how I read, is called The Reese Chronological Bible. I'll type up the comments on the dating. The page is actually called "A Final Word About the Dating". I truly hope that if you choose to search it out that it's benefit will out way any conflicts.
With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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Good men's opinions will vary on most things, and certainly do in the field of Bible Chronology. Experts in this field have included James Ussher, Martin Anstey, Sir Robert Anderson, Clarence Larkin, Henry Halley, Charles Fred Lincoln, Merrill Unger, Edwin Thiele, John Whitcomb, Donald A. Waite, and others. No two men have agreed on every date. For example, consider the date of the birth of Abraham: Whitcomb, 2165 B.C.; Unger, 2161 B.C.; Lincoln, 2128 B.C.; Larkin, 2111 B.C.; Usser, 1996 BC.; Klassen, 1967 B.C. However, even with variance of a few years in different dating patterns, basic chronological order of scripture is generally accepted. For example, Ussher, Lincoln and Klassen all agree that it is 2,008 years from creation to the birth of Abraham.
Because scholars vary, a dating system was most difficult to decide upon. In recent years, Frank R. Klassen has developed a dating arrangement that gives fresh insight into the many problems connected with biblical chronology. For some ten years, Klassen has studied Bible chronology full time. With his architectural and engineering background, he has devised numerous graphs and charts that seem the most accurate to Mr. Reese.
On the following page is shown the calendar used by the Jews, April being the first month of the year. Klassen is able to show what calendar was used (out of a possible 14 arrangements) in any year of history.
Regarding the dates of the first days of creation, Mr. Klassen's reasoning seems most plausible. God is a god of order. In the bible April 1, the first day of the first month, often surfaces. The tabernacle was completed on April 1, 1461 B.C. (the veil was raised). Klassen believes Jesus was born April 1, 5 B.C. (not December 25). No one has ever satisfactorily accounted for the origin of "April Fools' Day." It is theory that, because of derision directed at our Lord and those who remembered His true Birthday, it developed into a "Fools' Day," Jesus began His public ministry at age 30 in A.D. 26, which is 4,000 years after Adam was created a mature man of probably the same age. Klassen's calendar research shows indeed that April 1 in 3975 B.C. was a Friday, the sixth day (man created).
The beginning of time has always been highly debatable in the scholarly world. Advocates of the "Gap Theory" allow for millions of years between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2. This view has been advocated by such scholars as Harry Rimmer, C. I. Scofield, and M. R. DeHann.
In recent years the thinking of many has shifted to the position that Genesis 1:1 and 1:2 have gap between them and that the earth is not millions of years old, but actually of recent vintage--God creating a mature world, just as He created mature man and animals. An outstanding book contributing to this theory is The Genesis Flood (Morris and Whitcomb).
May the dates and titles be kept in proper perspective. They are only aids. This Bible would be a great value without them. Only the Scriptures themselves are really important and inspired.
Something of interest to you both might be what is called a Chronological Bible. Though I'm sure it will create an even greater dissension. However, I do believe that in this particular discussion of yours it might actually assist. At least that is my hope.
The one I have found to be interesting, not necessarily helpful for how I read, is called The Reese Chronological Bible. I'll type up the comments on the dating. The page is actually called "A Final Word About the Dating". I truly hope that if you choose to search it out that it's benefit will out way any conflicts.
With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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Good men's opinions will vary on most things, and certainly do in the field of Bible Chronology. Experts in this field have included James Ussher, Martin Anstey, Sir Robert Anderson, Clarence Larkin, Henry Halley, Charles Fred Lincoln, Merrill Unger, Edwin Thiele, John Whitcomb, Donald A. Waite, and others. No two men have agreed on every date. For example, consider the date of the birth of Abraham: Whitcomb, 2165 B.C.; Unger, 2161 B.C.; Lincoln, 2128 B.C.; Larkin, 2111 B.C.; Usser, 1996 BC.; Klassen, 1967 B.C. However, even with variance of a few years in different dating patterns, basic chronological order of scripture is generally accepted. For example, Ussher, Lincoln and Klassen all agree that it is 2,008 years from creation to the birth of Abraham.
Because scholars vary, a dating system was most difficult to decide upon. In recent years, Frank R. Klassen has developed a dating arrangement that gives fresh insight into the many problems connected with biblical chronology. For some ten years, Klassen has studied Bible chronology full time. With his architectural and engineering background, he has devised numerous graphs and charts that seem the most accurate to Mr. Reese.
On the following page is shown the calendar used by the Jews, April being the first month of the year. Klassen is able to show what calendar was used (out of a possible 14 arrangements) in any year of history.
Regarding the dates of the first days of creation, Mr. Klassen's reasoning seems most plausible. God is a god of order. In the bible April 1, the first day of the first month, often surfaces. The tabernacle was completed on April 1, 1461 B.C. (the veil was raised). Klassen believes Jesus was born April 1, 5 B.C. (not December 25). No one has ever satisfactorily accounted for the origin of "April Fools' Day." It is theory that, because of derision directed at our Lord and those who remembered His true Birthday, it developed into a "Fools' Day," Jesus began His public ministry at age 30 in A.D. 26, which is 4,000 years after Adam was created a mature man of probably the same age. Klassen's calendar research shows indeed that April 1 in 3975 B.C. was a Friday, the sixth day (man created).
The beginning of time has always been highly debatable in the scholarly world. Advocates of the "Gap Theory" allow for millions of years between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2. This view has been advocated by such scholars as Harry Rimmer, C. I. Scofield, and M. R. DeHann.
In recent years the thinking of many has shifted to the position that Genesis 1:1 and 1:2 have gap between them and that the earth is not millions of years old, but actually of recent vintage--God creating a mature world, just as He created mature man and animals. An outstanding book contributing to this theory is The Genesis Flood (Morris and Whitcomb).
May the dates and titles be kept in proper perspective. They are only aids. This Bible would be a great value without them. Only the Scriptures themselves are really important and inspired.
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