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The dialectic begins when a relationship comes into conflict with an
absolute truth. It could also be an absolute moral that a
relationship comes into conflict with. The relationship is often with a man-made
theology, the church, and one's own denomination, his or her own congregation,
the minister, and friends within that congregation.
The dialectic as an argument then tries to compromise that absolute
truth in some way - in order to preserve the relationship.
The Pharisees of Christ's time had the dialectic mind. In a number
of scriptures
the Pharisees argued with the doctrines taught by Jesus Christ, who is fully
God. Because the Pharisees had a relationship of feelings toward
their position and
the doctrines they had been taught and were teaching to others, what Christ
was teaching threatened them. So, they argued against the Truth,
standing before them.
"If we let him thus alone, all men will believe on him: and the
Romans shall come and take away both our place and nation." John 11:
48
The dialogue between Christ and the Pharisees in John 8 is just
one example of their use of the dialectic to argue against Truth. God
could not speak doctrine into their group mind because they did not
have ears to hear it.
In John 8: 31-32 Jesus says "Then said Jesus to those Jews which
believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples
indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you
free."
Jesus Christ is speaking truth, or absolute facts here. But the
Pharisees who heard him did not believe he was the Truth and what he
spoke were absolute facts. They answered " We be Abraham's seed, and
were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made
free?......Christ said: "I speak that which I have seen with my
Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father. They
answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto
them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of
Abraham." John 8: 33, 38,39
In John 8: 41 Jesus said to the Pharisees "Ye do the deeds of your
father." The Pharisees answered him: " We be not born of fornication;
we have one Father, even God."
After the Risen Christ confronted Saul the Pharisee on the road to
Damascus, blinded him and shook him up so bad that he changed quickly
from Saul the Pharisee to Paul the Apostle of Christ, then God could
speak doctrine into his mind, which was no longer a dialectic mind.
The dialectic as an argument, a way of changing the absolute truth
that one's opponent holds to, historically has come out of a system of
thought which teaches that there is no God.. It comes out of Hegel
and Marx. But before Hegel and Marx it came out of the second beast of
Revelation 13: 11, who has two horns like a lamb but speaks as a
dragon, and from the dragon himself whose use of the dialectic was on
Eve in Genesis 3
to fix her obedience to the absolute authority of God over her
The Christian who uses the dialectic speaks like a dragon, but appears like a lamb, a Christian.
"For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was preached among you by
us, even by me and Silvanus and Timotheus, was not yea and nay, but in
him was yea. For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him
Amen, unto the glory of God by us." II Corinthians 1:19-20
In Jesus Christ there are no shades of grey, no double mindedness,
only absolutes. The dialectic
mind, on the other hand, operates on shades of grey and doublemindedness.
"But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven,
neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be
yea; and your nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation." James 5: 12
The dialectic mind starts from a position that there are no
absolute truths or absolute morals. It is a double minded mind, and
accepts yea and nay about doctrines taught in the scripture.
Those who operate with the dialectic - which is now almost everyone -
try to justify themselves before men (Luke 16: 1).
Dean Gotcher says "God cannot speak into the pre-flood, Tower of
Babel, Sodom and Gomorrah, dialectic mind..." He is saying that the dialectic mind set
of today is like that of the periods before the Flood, the time of the Tower of Babel and that of Sodom
and Gomorrah. Those with the dialectic mind set do not receive the things of the Spirit, It is not given
to them to know that which is spiritual from God. This does not mean they cannot come out of the
dialectic mind set and can then receive what God might speak to them by the Holy Spirit.
The dialectic mind is one which does not receive the truth of God's
word in scripture. It is a mind which will try to discredit, disprove
and reject the absolute truth of God. It often does so in a deceptive
way. "Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field the
Lord God had made." Genesis 3: 1
Love of the truth is not in the dialectic mind. "And with all
deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they
received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that
they should believe a lie:
12. That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but
had pleasure in unrighteousness." II Thessalonians 2: 10-12
Since the dialectic mind wants to overthrow the truth, that which is
of faith, and the mind which believes God, the dialectic mind does not
love Christ, who himself is the Truth. " I am the way, the truth, and
the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 14: 6
"But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God:
for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because
they are spiritually discerned." I Corinthians 2: 14
The dialectic mind does not receive the word of God which is inspired
by the Holy Spirit. In fact, the dialectic mind tries to find subtle
ways of showing that a position or doctrine that comes from faith in
the word is wrong. So the dialectic mind is the natural mind which
sees the truth of God as "foolishness."
The dialectic mind does not receive the Spirit, nor does Christ put his
mind into man's dialectic mind. "Let this mind be in you, which was
also in Christ Jesus." Philippians 2: 5
"To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this
mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of
glory." Colossians 1 27
absolute truth. It could also be an absolute moral that a
relationship comes into conflict with. The relationship is often with a man-made
theology, the church, and one's own denomination, his or her own congregation,
the minister, and friends within that congregation.
The dialectic as an argument then tries to compromise that absolute
truth in some way - in order to preserve the relationship.
The Pharisees of Christ's time had the dialectic mind. In a number
of scriptures
the Pharisees argued with the doctrines taught by Jesus Christ, who is fully
God. Because the Pharisees had a relationship of feelings toward
their position and
the doctrines they had been taught and were teaching to others, what Christ
was teaching threatened them. So, they argued against the Truth,
standing before them.
"If we let him thus alone, all men will believe on him: and the
Romans shall come and take away both our place and nation." John 11:
48
The dialogue between Christ and the Pharisees in John 8 is just
one example of their use of the dialectic to argue against Truth. God
could not speak doctrine into their group mind because they did not
have ears to hear it.
In John 8: 31-32 Jesus says "Then said Jesus to those Jews which
believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples
indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you
free."
Jesus Christ is speaking truth, or absolute facts here. But the
Pharisees who heard him did not believe he was the Truth and what he
spoke were absolute facts. They answered " We be Abraham's seed, and
were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made
free?......Christ said: "I speak that which I have seen with my
Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father. They
answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto
them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of
Abraham." John 8: 33, 38,39
In John 8: 41 Jesus said to the Pharisees "Ye do the deeds of your
father." The Pharisees answered him: " We be not born of fornication;
we have one Father, even God."
After the Risen Christ confronted Saul the Pharisee on the road to
Damascus, blinded him and shook him up so bad that he changed quickly
from Saul the Pharisee to Paul the Apostle of Christ, then God could
speak doctrine into his mind, which was no longer a dialectic mind.
The dialectic as an argument, a way of changing the absolute truth
that one's opponent holds to, historically has come out of a system of
thought which teaches that there is no God.. It comes out of Hegel
and Marx. But before Hegel and Marx it came out of the second beast of
Revelation 13: 11, who has two horns like a lamb but speaks as a
dragon, and from the dragon himself whose use of the dialectic was on
Eve in Genesis 3
to fix her obedience to the absolute authority of God over her
The Christian who uses the dialectic speaks like a dragon, but appears like a lamb, a Christian.
"For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was preached among you by
us, even by me and Silvanus and Timotheus, was not yea and nay, but in
him was yea. For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him
Amen, unto the glory of God by us." II Corinthians 1:19-20
In Jesus Christ there are no shades of grey, no double mindedness,
only absolutes. The dialectic
mind, on the other hand, operates on shades of grey and doublemindedness.
"But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven,
neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be
yea; and your nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation." James 5: 12
The dialectic mind starts from a position that there are no
absolute truths or absolute morals. It is a double minded mind, and
accepts yea and nay about doctrines taught in the scripture.
Those who operate with the dialectic - which is now almost everyone -
try to justify themselves before men (Luke 16: 1).
Dean Gotcher says "God cannot speak into the pre-flood, Tower of
Babel, Sodom and Gomorrah, dialectic mind..." He is saying that the dialectic mind set
of today is like that of the periods before the Flood, the time of the Tower of Babel and that of Sodom
and Gomorrah. Those with the dialectic mind set do not receive the things of the Spirit, It is not given
to them to know that which is spiritual from God. This does not mean they cannot come out of the
dialectic mind set and can then receive what God might speak to them by the Holy Spirit.
The dialectic mind is one which does not receive the truth of God's
word in scripture. It is a mind which will try to discredit, disprove
and reject the absolute truth of God. It often does so in a deceptive
way. "Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field the
Lord God had made." Genesis 3: 1
Love of the truth is not in the dialectic mind. "And with all
deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they
received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that
they should believe a lie:
12. That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but
had pleasure in unrighteousness." II Thessalonians 2: 10-12
Since the dialectic mind wants to overthrow the truth, that which is
of faith, and the mind which believes God, the dialectic mind does not
love Christ, who himself is the Truth. " I am the way, the truth, and
the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 14: 6
"But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God:
for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because
they are spiritually discerned." I Corinthians 2: 14
The dialectic mind does not receive the word of God which is inspired
by the Holy Spirit. In fact, the dialectic mind tries to find subtle
ways of showing that a position or doctrine that comes from faith in
the word is wrong. So the dialectic mind is the natural mind which
sees the truth of God as "foolishness."
The dialectic mind does not receive the Spirit, nor does Christ put his
mind into man's dialectic mind. "Let this mind be in you, which was
also in Christ Jesus." Philippians 2: 5
"To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this
mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of
glory." Colossians 1 27
