Universities Offer Blasphemous “Queer Bible” Courses

[Kermos]

No Word of God states man was imparted a free-will to choose toward God, but here is the Word of God which clearly states man does not choose God to any degree!

The gracious Benefactor of us Christians exclusively produces

1. divine choice of we beneficiaries unto salvation, for the Christ of us Christians says “you did not choose Me, but I chose you” (John 15:16) and “I chose you out of the world” (John 15:19)
   AND, Paul is in accord with Jesus’ words for he wrote to the Ephesians “Blessed [be] the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly [places] in Christ, just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him in love” (Ephesians 1:3-4)
   SO, clearly, Jesus’ words in John 15:16 and John 15:19 state God exclusively chooses us believers by/of/through God
2. beneficiaries’ faith/belief in Lord Jesus, for the Christ of us Christians says (see also a word about belief/faith (Greek πίστις pistis) and believe (Greek πιστεύω pisteuó))
   “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent” (John 6:29)
   AND Paul is in accord with Jesus’ words for Paul wrote to the Ephesians “by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, [it is] the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are His work” (Ephesians 2:8-10)
   AND Peter is in accord with Jesus’ words for Peter declared “God, who knows the heart, testified to them giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He also did to us; and He made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith” (Acts 15:8-9)
   SO, clearly, Jesus’ words in John 6:29 state for us believers to believe in Jesus whom the Father has sent is exclusively by/of/through God
3. beneficiaries’ fruit of the Spirit/righteous actions/good works, for the Christ of us Christians says
   “he who practices the Truth comes to the Light, that his works may be revealed, that they are having been worked in God” (John 3:21)
   AND Paul is in accord with Jesus’ words for he wrote to the Philippians “being filled with the fruit of righteousness that [is] by Jesus Christ, to the glory and praise of God” (Philippians 1:11)
   SO, clearly, Jesus’ words in John 3:21 state fruit in we believers is exclusively by/of/through God
4. beneficiaries’ birth by the Holy Spirit, for the Christ of us Christians says "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God" (John 3:3) as well as “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not be amazed that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit” (John 3:5-8)
   AND Peter is in accord with Jesus’ words for he wrote to persons residing as aliens “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His great mercy has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead” (1 Peter 1:3)
   SO, clearly, Jesus’ words in John 3:5-8 state we believers being born again is exclusively by/of/through God
5. beneficiaries’ repent by God’s working, for the Christ of us Christians says
   “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and intelligent and have revealed them to babes” (Matthew 11:25)
   AND the apostles and elders are in accord with Jesus’ words with thier saying, “Well then, God has given to the Gentiles also the repentance that leads to life” (Acts 11:18)
   SO, clearly, Jesus’ words in Matthew 11:25 state that God exclusively causes man to think differently after an encounter with God (repent means to think differently afterward)
6. beneficiaries’ love by God’s working, for the Christ of us Christians says
   “A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another” (John 13:34)
   AND John is in accord with Jesus’ words for he wrote “Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God” (1 John 4:7, see the phrase “love is from God” meaning God is the source of true love)
   AND John expands with his writing of “God is Love, and the one who abides in Love abides in God, and God abides in him” (1 John 4:16, see the phrase “one who abides in Love” is equivocated with “one who abides” “in God” which extends from God’s exclusivity with “God is Love”)
   SO, clearly, Jesus’ words in John 13:34 states that the love, true love (John 3:33), the very righteous love, the Godly love within us children of God, this love is exclusively by/of/through God

And here we have the exclusive Way with absolute Truth in everlasting Life (John 14:6), the love of Christ controls us Christians (2 Corinthians 5:14)!

 

[KingJ]

No Word of God states man was imparted a free-will to choose toward God, but here is the Word of God which clearly states man does not choose God to any degree!

The gracious Benefactor of us Christians exclusively produces

1. divine choice of we beneficiaries unto salvation, for the Christ of us Christians says “you did not choose Me, but I chose you” (John 15:16) and “I chose you out of the world” (John 15:19)
   AND, Paul is in accord with Jesus’ words for he wrote to the Ephesians “Blessed [be] the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly [places] in Christ, just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him in love” (Ephesians 1:3-4)
   SO, clearly, Jesus’ words in John 15:16 and John 15:19 state God exclusively chooses us believers by/of/through God
2. beneficiaries’ faith/belief in Lord Jesus, for the Christ of us Christians says (see also a word about belief/faith (Greek πίστις pistis) and believe (Greek πιστεύω pisteuó))
   “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent” (John 6:29)
   AND Paul is in accord with Jesus’ words for Paul wrote to the Ephesians “by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, [it is] the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are His work” (Ephesians 2:8-10)
   AND Peter is in accord with Jesus’ words for Peter declared “God, who knows the heart, testified to them giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He also did to us; and He made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith” (Acts 15:8-9)
   SO, clearly, Jesus’ words in John 6:29 state for us believers to believe in Jesus whom the Father has sent is exclusively by/of/through God
3. beneficiaries’ fruit of the Spirit/righteous actions/good works, for the Christ of us Christians says
   “he who practices the Truth comes to the Light, that his works may be revealed, that they are having been worked in God” (John 3:21)
   AND Paul is in accord with Jesus’ words for he wrote to the Philippians “being filled with the fruit of righteousness that [is] by Jesus Christ, to the glory and praise of God” (Philippians 1:11)
   SO, clearly, Jesus’ words in John 3:21 state fruit in we believers is exclusively by/of/through God
4. beneficiaries’ birth by the Holy Spirit, for the Christ of us Christians says "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God" (John 3:3) as well as “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not be amazed that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit” (John 3:5-8)
   AND Peter is in accord with Jesus’ words for he wrote to persons residing as aliens “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His great mercy has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead” (1 Peter 1:3)
   SO, clearly, Jesus’ words in John 3:5-8 state we believers being born again is exclusively by/of/through God
5. beneficiaries’ repent by God’s working, for the Christ of us Christians says
   “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and intelligent and have revealed them to babes” (Matthew 11:25)
   AND the apostles and elders are in accord with Jesus’ words with thier saying, “Well then, God has given to the Gentiles also the repentance that leads to life” (Acts 11:18)
   SO, clearly, Jesus’ words in Matthew 11:25 state that God exclusively causes man to think differently after an encounter with God (repent means to think differently afterward)
6. beneficiaries’ love by God’s working, for the Christ of us Christians says
   “A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another” (John 13:34)
   AND John is in accord with Jesus’ words for he wrote “Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God” (1 John 4:7, see the phrase “love is from God” meaning God is the source of true love)
   AND John expands with his writing of “God is Love, and the one who abides in Love abides in God, and God abides in him” (1 John 4:16, see the phrase “one who abides in Love” is equivocated with “one who abides” “in God” which extends from God’s exclusivity with “God is Love”)
   SO, clearly, Jesus’ words in John 13:34 states that the love, true love (John 3:33), the very righteous love, the Godly love within us children of God, this love is exclusively by/of/through God

And here we have the exclusive Way with absolute Truth in everlasting Life (John 14:6), the love of Christ controls us Christians (2 Corinthians 5:14)!

Joy, yet another pretentious Calvinist who presumes to grasp God. Defining the A-Z of His character off of the dictionary definition of the word omniscience and a few cherry picked scriptures.

You need to let scripture define God. Scripture defines Him as omniscient PLUS impartial Acts 10:34 PLUS righteous in all His ways Psalm 145:17.

Making God as good as He is great. 1 + 1 = free will.

Partiality is what you imply when you do not teach true free will and that would be both evil and unjust of a Creator God. You cannot FAIL HARDER at your one job of representing Him to the lost 2 Cor 5:20.

You and I cannot grasp Him. And instead of being intellectually honest, you mock those who follow scripture.

If you profess to grasp Him better than others here, then please explain to me where He comes from....go floor is yours ..

 

[KingJ]

Thread 'No Free Will - Officially Debunked!'

Aug 22, 2025

Biblical Proofs of True Free Will from a Great God


1. God’s Character Is Righteous and Just – He Doesn’t Coerce

Psalm 145:17 – “The Lord is righteous in all His ways and faithful in all He does.”
Deuteronomy 32:4 – “He is the Rock, His works are perfect, and all His ways are just. A faithful God who does no wrong, upright and just is He.”

A righteous God does not manipulate or force decisions—He gives moral freedom as part of His justice and goodness.

2. God Created Humans in His Image – With the Ability to Choose

Genesis 1:26-27 – “Let us make mankind in our...

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[Kermos]

Joy, yet another pretentious Calvinist who presumes to grasp God. Defining the A-Z of His character off of the dictionary definition of the word omniscience and a few cherry picked scriptures.

Hello KingJ,

Joy is knowing the deep deep Love Of Christ of which we Christians are enraptured in the Sovereign Grasp of our Lord Jesus.

I get it, KingJ, you do not believe:

1. “you did not choose Me, but I chose you” (John 15:16) and “I chose you out of the world” (John 15:19) and “Blessed [be] the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly [places] in Christ, just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him in love” (Ephesians 1:3-4)
2. “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent” (John 6:29) and “by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, [it is] the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are His work” (Ephesians 2:8-10) and “God, who knows the heart, testified to them giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He also did to us; and He made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith” (Acts 15:8-9)
3. “he who practices the Truth comes to the Light, that his works may be revealed, that they are having been worked in God” (John 3:21) and “being filled with the fruit of righteousness that [is] by Jesus Christ, to the glory and praise of God” (Philippians 1:11)
4. "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God" (John 3:3) and “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not be amazed that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit” (John 3:5-8) and “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His great mercy has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead” (1 Peter 1:3)
5. “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and intelligent and have revealed them to babes” (Matthew 11:25) and “Well then, God has given to the Gentiles also the repentance that leads to life” (Acts 11:18)
6. “A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another” (John 13:34) and “Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God” (1 John 4:7, see the phrase “love is from God” meaning God is the source of true love) and “God is Love, and the one who abides in Love abides in God, and God abides in him” (1 John 4:16, see the phrase “one who abides in Love” is equivocated with “one who abides” “in God” which extends from God’s exclusivity with “God is Love”)

Nor do you believe the exclusive Way with absolute Truth in everlasting Life (John 14:6), the love of Christ controls us Christians (2 Corinthians 5:14)!

You need to let scripture define God. Scripture defines Him as omniscient PLUS impartial Acts 10:34 PLUS righteous in all His ways Psalm 145:17.

Making God as good as He is great. 1 + 1 = free will.

Partiality is what you imply when you do not teach true free will and that would be both evil and unjust of a Creator God. You cannot FAIL HARDER at your one job of representing Him to the lost 2 Cor 5:20.

You and I cannot grasp Him. And instead of being intellectually honest, you mock those who follow scripture.

If you profess to grasp Him better than others here, then please explain to me where He comes from....go floor is yours ..

Your free-willian philosophy makes God partial to man.

I believe God is the good impartial Judge. Almighty God metes out justice - "those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment" (John 5:29).

God's choice is impartial and just for God knows beforehand who among men are justified according to God (Romans 8:28-30), after all, Almighty God is the Righteous Judge (Psalm 7:11 who loves justice (Isaiah 61:8)!

Your own words are reflexive upon you "Partiality is what you imply when you do" "teach true free will".

Believe the Word of God!

Love,
Kermos

 

[KingJ]

Hello KingJ,

Joy is knowing the deep deep Love Of Christ of which we Christians are enraptured in the Sovereign Grasp of our Lord Jesus.

I get it, KingJ, you do not believe:

1. “you did not choose Me, but I chose you” (John 15:16) and “I chose you out of the world” (John 15:19) and “Blessed [be] the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly [places] in Christ, just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him in love” (Ephesians 1:3-4)
2. “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent” (John 6:29) and “by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, [it is] the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are His work” (Ephesians 2:8-10) and “God, who knows the heart, testified to them giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He also did to us; and He made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith” (Acts 15:8-9)
3. “he who practices the Truth comes to the Light, that his works may be revealed, that they are having been worked in God” (John 3:21) and “being filled with the fruit of righteousness that [is] by Jesus Christ, to the glory and praise of God” (Philippians 1:11)
4. "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God" (John 3:3) and “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not be amazed that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit” (John 3:5-8) and “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His great mercy has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead” (1 Peter 1:3)
5. “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and intelligent and have revealed them to babes” (Matthew 11:25) and “Well then, God has given to the Gentiles also the repentance that leads to life” (Acts 11:18)
6. “A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another” (John 13:34) and “Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God” (1 John 4:7, see the phrase “love is from God” meaning God is the source of true love) and “God is Love, and the one who abides in Love abides in God, and God abides in him” (1 John 4:16, see the phrase “one who abides in Love” is equivocated with “one who abides” “in God” which extends from God’s exclusivity with “God is Love”)

Nor do you believe the exclusive Way with absolute Truth in everlasting Life (John 14:6), the love of Christ controls us Christians (2 Corinthians 5:14)!



Your free-willian philosophy makes God partial to man.

I believe God is the good impartial Judge. Almighty God metes out justice - "those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment" (John 5:29).

God's choice is impartial and just for God knows beforehand who among men are justified according to God (Romans 8:28-30), after all, Almighty God is the Righteous Judge (Psalm 7:11 who loves justice (Isaiah 61:8)!

Your own words are reflexive upon you "Partiality is what you imply when you do" "teach true free will".

Believe the Word of God!

Love,
Kermos

This post makes me laugh. It is like you don't grasp that when there is a hell and a Creator, no free will = partiality.

1 + 1 = 2.

It is nice to see you defend God. But you cannot defend Him as good, righteous and just if there is no free will.

This topic is completely off track of the OP, copy paste your post into the thread I linked in post # 123.

 

[Kermos]

This post makes me laugh. It is like you don't grasp that when there is a hell and a Creator, no free will = partiality.

1 + 1 = 2.

It is nice to see you defend God. But you cannot defend Him as good, righteous and just if there is no free will.

This topic is completely off track of the OP, copy paste your post into the thread I linked in post # 123.

You laugh at the Word of God about Salvation in the post to which you replied!

The Christ of us Christians says "Truly I say to you, unless you are converted and become like children, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven" (Matthew 18:3), so the Holy Spirit converts persons into children of God (John 3:3). Conversion is a beautifully loving act of God upon man.

Largely, I use the term free-will to mean man choosing toward God, emphatically Lord Jesus Christ

A person free-will choosing Christ indicates that the person converts Christ because the Son of God knows not who will choose Him according to free-willian philosophy; therefore, free-willians believe they convert the body of Christ without Christ's choice/consent. Free-willians exalt themselves above God, and that is blasphemy.

People are saved from the wrath of God by God's grace for God's glory!

God doesn't need me to defend Him. You have no Holy Scripture that states man was imparted free-will.

No, KingJ. This post is on track because free-will is slander (blasphemy) taught institutionally against God.

 

[Bill]

The mark of the beast has nothing to do with what we were talking about. That is a future issue, but right now the Bible commands us to contend for the faith and guard the truth of the gospel (Jude 3). False gospels are already here, and they are just as damning as the mark will be when it comes. Paul said plainly that if anyone preaches another gospel, “let him be accursed” (Galatians 1:8–9).

This isn’t about speculation over end-times signs, it’s about the clear reality today. Catholicism denies salvation by grace through faith in Christ alone and replaces it with works, sacraments, and traditions. That is not Christianity, and calling it such gives people false assurance. The Bible says to mark and avoid those who spread false doctrine (Romans 16:17).

So no, I’m not going to let the subject be shifted. The issue is the gospel, and whether we are going to stand on the Word of God or compromise truth by giving a false system legitimacy. That’s what matters right now.

In your own bible it say that Jesus said- taking the bread he blessed it, and giving it to his disciples saying this is my body. And later he said do this in remembrance of me.

What part of the Catholics repeating that is not in the scripture?

 

[Bill]

Hey Bill,

You are trying to evade answering the question after considering that you believe:

1. "Why, what is the Eucharist, Jesus." (proof post #59).
2. "Does receiving the Eucharist give me salvation, yes." (proof post #59).

This question is not about worthiness!

This question is about ingesting the Roman Catholic Church's Eucharist.

Please answer the following question as derived from your above quoted in item #2.

Does receiving the Eucharist give a muslim who rejects Jesus salvation?

Love,
Kermos

I already answered that. Does a Muslim receiving the Eucharist that doesn't believe in the Eucharist receive eternal life the answer is no.

Of course not. It's just like a Muslim who reads the scripture it's the same thing. If the Muslim doesn't believe that Jesus is God and he reads the scripture then it's like reading another book.

It's no different for a guy that thinks he's a Christian. To read the scripture and not believe it because he doesn't believe that Jesus is the son of God. How many people have we seen writing in this Talk Jesus who say that the Father and Jesus are not the same God. I've seen it written by people who claim to be Christians in these very chapters in these very posts. They will say that God is Not Jesus and Jesus is not God how crazy is that

There are people in the post here that sit there and don't believe in the trinity all sorts of things. Is this going to tell me that you're a Christian? I don't think so. You're something but you're not a Christian because if you don't believe that the Holy Spirit and God the Father and Jesus are one then you're not a Christian

 

[Bill]

This post makes me laugh. It is like you don't grasp that when there is a hell and a Creator, no free will = partiality.

1 + 1 = 2.

It is nice to see you defend God. But you cannot defend Him as good, righteous and just if there is no free will.

This topic is completely off track of the OP, copy paste your post into the thread I linked in post # 123.

Yes I'm aware that it were way off base from the op it happens a lot on Talk Jesus

 

[Bill]

Joy, yet another pretentious Calvinist who presumes to grasp God. Defining the A-Z of His character off of the dictionary definition of the word omniscience and a few cherry picked scriptures.

You need to let scripture define God. Scripture defines Him as omniscient PLUS impartial Acts 10:34 PLUS righteous in all His ways Psalm 145:17.

Making God as good as He is great. 1 + 1 = free will.

Partiality is what you imply when you do not teach true free will and that would be both evil and unjust of a Creator God. You cannot FAIL HARDER at your one job of representing Him to the lost 2 Cor 5:20.

You and I cannot grasp Him. And instead of being intellectually honest, you mock those who follow scripture.

If you profess to grasp Him better than others here, then please explain to me where He comes from....go floor is yours ..

Yes, you are right. All of scripture has to agree with itself. Not just pieces but all of it

 

[Kermos]

I already answered that. Does a Muslim receiving the Eucharist that doesn't believe in the Eucharist receive eternal life the answer is no.

Of course not. It's just like a Muslim who reads the scripture it's the same thing. If the Muslim doesn't believe that Jesus is God and he reads the scripture then it's like reading another book.

It's no different for a guy that thinks he's a Christian. To read the scripture and not believe it because he doesn't believe that Jesus is the son of God. How many people have we seen writing in this Talk Jesus who say that the Father and Jesus are not the same God. I've seen it written by people who claim to be Christians in these very chapters in these very posts. They will say that God is Not Jesus and Jesus is not God how crazy is that

There are people in the post here that sit there and don't believe in the trinity all sorts of things. Is this going to tell me that you're a Christian? I don't think so. You're something but you're not a Christian because if you don't believe that the Holy Spirit and God the Father and Jesus are one then you're not a Christian

Hi Bill,

Based on your answer of "the answer is no" to the question of Does receiving the Eucharist give a muslim who rejects Jesus salvation, then the Roman Catholic Church's Eucharist is not Jesus which shows the error of your belief per your following quotes:

1. "Why, what is the Eucharist, Jesus." (proof post #59).
2. "Does receiving the Eucharist give me salvation, yes." (proof post #59).

The institutional teaching of the Roman Catholic Church about their Eucharist does reshape Scripture to the RCC agenda (the blue text is from the first sentence of the OP).

We Christians receive Christ not by the will of man but by the will of God (Romans 9:16; John 1:9-13)!

Love,
Kermos

 

[bdavidc]

In your own bible it say that Jesus said- taking the bread he blessed it, and giving it to his disciples saying this is my body. And later he said do this in remembrance of me.

What part of the Catholics repeating that is not in the scripture?

You’re leaving out the most important part. Yes, Jesus said, “This is my body…do this in remembrance of me” (Luke 22:19). But notice what He actually commanded. He said to do it in remembrance, not to literally turn bread into His flesh or re-offer Him as a sacrifice. Paul repeated the same thing in 1 Corinthians 11:23–26, calling it bread and the cup, and saying we do it to “shew the Lord’s death till he come.” The Bible never says it changes substance.

The Catholic Mass takes what Jesus gave as a memorial and twists it into something He never taught. Hebrews 10:10–12 says Jesus “offered one sacrifice for sins forever.” John 19:30 records His own words, “It is finished.” Yet Catholicism teaches that the Mass is a re-sacrifice of Christ over and over again. That is not in Scripture.

So yes, the Lord’s Supper is biblical, but what Rome teaches is not. The difference is huge. The Bible gives us a remembrance of the once-for-all sacrifice. The Catholic system denies the sufficiency of that sacrifice by pretending to repeat it.

 

[Bill]

You’re leaving out the most important part. Yes, Jesus said, “This is my body…do this in remembrance of me” (Luke 22:19). But notice what He actually commanded. He said to do it in remembrance, not to literally turn bread into His flesh or re-offer Him as a sacrifice. Paul repeated the same thing in 1 Corinthians 11:23–26, calling it bread and the cup, and saying we do it to “shew the Lord’s death till he come.” The Bible never says it changes substance.

The Catholic Mass takes what Jesus gave as a memorial and twists it into something He never taught. Hebrews 10:10–12 says Jesus “offered one sacrifice for sins forever.” John 19:30 records His own words, “It is finished.” Yet Catholicism teaches that the Mass is a re-sacrifice of Christ over and over again. That is not in Scripture.

So yes, the Lord’s Supper is biblical, but what Rome teaches is not. The difference is huge. The Bible gives us a remembrance of the once-for-all sacrifice. The Catholic system denies the sufficiency of that sacrifice by pretending to repeat it.

That's all a matter of interpretation Now isn't it. Also we have the experiences of the founding fathers of the church continuing with the sacrifice of the mass. Including the blessing of the Bread and Wine and referring to it as the body and blood of Jesus.

The difference between the Protestant churches and the Catholic Church is simple. All of you don't follow anything to do with the tradition of where the Christians were from the beginning. You don't even know where your roots are at, or even where you came from for the most part. As everybody thinks that their denomination was from the beginning which it's not.

The Catholic church can follow its roots all the way back to the early church

( I want to add something here for the moderators. As you know I have never disrespected anyone here as far as whatever religion you are. In fact I've always accepted everyone as part of my family.

The fact that these guys are constantly on my case about a church that they have no comprehension on baffles my mind. Why and as to what they want to judge me on, is beyond my understanding. Especially when we want to express ourselves as Christians. Where is the Christianity in the Judgment that keeps coming down on me. I would say judge me by my fruit.

Also I'm sorry that this has gone on so long in this conversation. I had no real intention of it becoming a Catholic Protestant conversation, it just seems I was constantly being attacked.)

 

[bdavidc]

That's all a matter of interpretation Now isn't it. Also we have the experiences of the founding fathers of the church continuing with the sacrifice of the mass. Including the blessing of the Bread and Wine and referring to it as the body and blood of Jesus.

The difference between the Protestant churches and the Catholic Church is simple. All of you don't follow anything to do with the tradition of where the Christians were from the beginning. You don't even know where your roots are at, or even where you came from for the most part. As everybody thinks that their denomination was from the beginning which it's not.

The Catholic church can follow its roots all the way back to the early church

( I want to add something here for the moderators. As you know I have never disrespected anyone here as far as whatever religion you are. In fact I've always accepted everyone as part of my family.

The fact that these guys are constantly on my case about a church that they have no comprehension on baffles my mind. Why and as to what they want to judge me on, is beyond my understanding. Especially when we want to express ourselves as Christians. Where is the Christianity in the Judgment that keeps coming down on me. I would say judge me by my fruit.

Also I'm sorry that this has gone on so long in this conversation. I had no real intention of it becoming a Catholic Protestant conversation, it just seems I was constantly being attacked.)

Look, it’s not a matter of interpretation or tradition. It’s a matter of authority. The Bible, not councils or church fathers, is the final authority for our faith. Jesus Himself said, “Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth” (John 17:17). Paul told us not to go “beyond what is written” (1 Corinthians 4:6). If the “roots” you’re holding onto go back to a practice that contradicts God’s Word, then those roots are corrupt, no matter how ancient they may be.

The Lord’s Supper is a remembrance, not a re-sacrifice. Jesus said, “This do in remembrance of me” (Luke 22:19). Paul restated it word-for-word in 1 Corinthians 11: 23–26, still calling it bread and the cup, and still saying that it proclaims His death “till he come.” Nowhere does the Scripture teach a change of substance or a continuing offering. In fact, it teaches the exact opposite. Hebrews 10: 10–12 says that Christ “offered one sacrifice for sins forever” and then sat down. When He said, “It is finished” (John 19:30), He meant it. The Catholic Mass which teaches that the sacrifice is a continual one is, in effect, denying the sufficiency of His one-time, all-sufficient offering.

As for judging by fruit, Scripture also tells us how to test fruit. 2 John 1: 9–10 says to test by the doctrine of Christ, not by man-made traditions or denominational loyalties. The Word of God is the standard, not the antiquity of a tradition. Roots that twist the gospel are not Christian roots at all. Jesus warned that there would be traditions which “make the word of God of none effect” (Mark 7:13). That’s exactly what happens when man’s traditions are held above Scripture.

The question, then, isn’t who can trace their history back further, but who is actually holding to the gospel as God has given it. The true church is not built on Rome’s tradition, but on Christ and His Word alone.

 

[Kermos]

The Protestant churches have just as much problems as we do. There are numerious accounts of gay bishops and whole congregations in baptist and Evangelical groups going the same route. This problem is not anyone groups problem. It is everyones problem

Hello Bill,

We of the Shepherd's one flock have One Pastor being Lord Jesus Christ (John 10:16), so your "The Protestant churches have just as much problems as we do. There are numerious accounts of gay bishops" applies not to us because the Christ of us Christians decrees "Do not be called leaders; for One is your Leader, that is, Christ" (Matthew 23:10), so our Leader is Christ alone.

Bill, your Roman Catholic Church and the Protestant churches, as specified by you, have leaders that are not Christ, so the churches are tainted/leavened by the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

Bill, you still fail to address the following according to the Holy Spirit:

• post #16 is rich in the Word of God showing that God is Head of the family of the saints, and it shows your Protestant leanings.
• post #22 is rich in the Word of God showing that Christ is the rock upon which the Assembly is founded, and it shows the Roman Catholic Church's pope fraudulently holds authority over the churchmembers.
• post #25 is rich in the Word of God showing that Christ's words are Life, but the traditions of men are death.
• post #59 is rich in the Word of God showing the sustenance of eating Christ's body and drinking Christ's Blood is a spiritual matter as established by the Word of God recorded in John 6:1-71, but your Roman Catholic Church instruction holds that an unbeliever doing the action of partaking obtains salvation.
• post #131 demonstrates the Roman Catholic Church's Eucharist is not Christ as per your own writing.

Believe Jesus, Bill!

Love,
Kermos

 

[Bill]

Look, it’s not a matter of interpretation or tradition. It’s a matter of authority. The Bible, not councils or church fathers, is the final authority for our faith. Jesus Himself said, “Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth” (John 17:17). Paul told us not to go “beyond what is written” (1 Corinthians 4:6). If the “roots” you’re holding onto go back to a practice that contradicts God’s Word, then those roots are corrupt, no matter how ancient they may be.

The Lord’s Supper is a remembrance, not a re-sacrifice. Jesus said, “This do in remembrance of me” (Luke 22:19). Paul restated it word-for-word in 1 Corinthians 11: 23–26, still calling it bread and the cup, and still saying that it proclaims His death “till he come.” Nowhere does the Scripture teach a change of substance or a continuing offering. In fact, it teaches the exact opposite. Hebrews 10: 10–12 says that Christ “offered one sacrifice for sins forever” and then sat down. When He said, “It is finished” (John 19:30), He meant it. The Catholic Mass which teaches that the sacrifice is a continual one is, in effect, denying the sufficiency of His one-time, all-sufficient offering.

As for judging by fruit, Scripture also tells us how to test fruit. 2 John 1: 9–10 says to test by the doctrine of Christ, not by man-made traditions or denominational loyalties. The Word of God is the standard, not the antiquity of a tradition. Roots that twist the gospel are not Christian roots at all. Jesus warned that there would be traditions which “make the word of God of none effect” (Mark 7:13). That’s exactly what happens when man’s traditions are held above Scripture.

The question, then, isn’t who can trace their history back further, but who is actually holding to the gospel as God has given it. The true church is not built on Rome’s tradition, but on Christ and His Word alone.

"those roots are corrupt, no matter how ancient they may be."

There is a problem with this statement. You condenm everyone, including yourself.

 

[Bill]

Hello Bill,

We of the Shepherd's one flock have One Pastor being Lord Jesus Christ (John 10:16), so your "The Protestant churches have just as much problems as we do. There are numerious accounts of gay bishops" applies not to us because the Christ of us Christians decrees "Do not be called leaders; for One is your Leader, that is, Christ" (Matthew 23:10), so our Leader is Christ alone.

Bill, your Roman Catholic Church and the Protestant churches, as specified by you, have leaders that are not Christ, so the churches are tainted/leavened by the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

Bill, you still fail to address the following according to the Holy Spirit:

• post #16 is rich in the Word of God showing that God is Head of the family of the saints, and it shows your Protestant leanings.
• post #22 is rich in the Word of God showing that Christ is the rock upon which the Assembly is founded, and it shows the Roman Catholic Church's pope fraudulently holds authority over the churchmembers.
• post #25 is rich in the Word of God showing that Christ's words are Life, but the traditions of men are death.
• post #59 is rich in the Word of God showing the sustenance of eating Christ's body and drinking Christ's Blood is a spiritual matter as established by the Word of God recorded in John 6:1-71, but your Roman Catholic Church instruction holds that an unbeliever doing the action of partaking obtains salvation.
• post #131 demonstrates the Roman Catholic Church's Eucharist is not Christ as per your own writing.

Believe Jesus, Bill!

Love,
Kermos

The Holy Spirit lives in me, and i am catholic.

There are many here, not catholic, who have the Holy Spirit.

There are many people filled with the Holy Spirit that are not praised by man, but they are praised by God.

 

[KingJ]

The Holy Spirit lives in me, and i am catholic.

There are many here, not catholic, who have the Holy Spirit.

There are many people filled with the Holy Spirit that are not praised by man, but they are praised by God.

I would not take @Kermos seriously, he does not properly research an accusation. Seems to only want to throw mud.

 

[Dylan569]

You know I used to think that there was a little bit of a difference in the different types of homosexual Behavior. He have those who are extremely aggressive as in the story of Lot, and then there are those few that actually seem to have love for each other.

However I spoke to the Lord on the subject, and Lord made it plain as day to me that there is no acceptance of homosexuality of any type. That he made the family one man and one woman and that's it.

There is a unique sanctity that God has declared with His design. And let no one come between God and His design.

So, "Lord made it plain as day to me", you say? Give me the scripture reference for that. Or, did God whisper that in your ear?

 

[Kermos]

This post makes me laugh. It is like you don't grasp that when there is a hell and a Creator, no free will = partiality.

1 + 1 = 2.

It is nice to see you defend God. But you cannot defend Him as good, righteous and just if there is no free will.

This topic is completely off track of the OP, copy paste your post into the thread I linked in post # 123.

Yes I'm aware that it were way off base from the op it happens a lot on Talk Jesus

Hello Bill and KingJ,

It's fascinating, KingJ, that you tipped your hat by writing the equation:
1 + 1 = 2

The equation is so very simple! Let's check how the equation explains your belief structure:

1 (the Word of God) + 1 (your free-willian philosophy leaven) = 2 (your traditions of men (Matthew 15:9))

The slanders (blasphemies) are in the + 1 of the equation.

The + 1 represents man adding to the Word of God resulting in a thing that is not the Word of God.

Lord Jesus lovingly warns "Watch out and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees" (Matthew 16:6).

This current post is intertwined with post #126.

No Word of God states man was imparted a free-will to choose toward God, but post #121 presents the Word of God which clearly states man does not choose God to any degree!

Love,
Kermos