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Trump's top 100 victories for people of faith

You're taking cherry picked verses to support your false beliefs.
How am i "cherry picking verses to support my false beliefs", dont just make a statement, give me some facts.
1. Habitually Lazy or Idle People Who Refuse to Work

2 Thessalonians 3:10
“For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.”

2 Thessalonians 3:11
“For we hear that there are some which walk among you disorderly, working not at all, but are busybodies.”


2. False Teachers and Deceivers

2 John 1:10–11
“If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.”


3. People Persisting in Serious Sin While Claiming to Be Christians

1 Corinthians 5:11
“But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.”


4. Divisive Troublemakers After Repeated Warnings

Titus 3:10
“A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject.”

Romans 16:17
“Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.”


5. Criminals, Thieves, and Violent Evil-Doers

Proverbs 29:24
“He that is partner with a thief hateth his own soul.”

Proverbs 1:15
“My son, walk not thou in the way with them; refrain thy foot from their path.”


6. People Who Exploit Others Financially or Morally

2 Timothy 3:2–5
“For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.”

Proverbs 22:24
“Make no friendship with an angry man; and with a furious man thou shalt not go.”


7. People Who Encourage Sin or Lead Others Away From God

Ephesians 5:11
“And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.”

Psalm 1:1
“Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.”
So these are your "facts" to support your claim that " "God ALSO lists the types of people to NEVER help.", i see no statement of "do not help these people if theyre in need", except perhaps Thessalonians 3:10. which its been argued is a specific case relating to that situation only.

On the other hand, i hear Christ, who we both claim as our Lord and Saviour, and who we both profess to follow, say that we should" Love our Neighbour as ourselves", "Treat others as we'd want to be treated, and when asked "who is my neighbour" gave the parable of the good Samaritan where an outcast helped a "rando" stranger in need, in all of these teachings theres no mention of Ifs or buts, no exclusions, the Samaritan didnt ask the man in need, "Do you work, are you lazy, are you a fornicator, are you an idolator, or a drunkard", he just saw the need in front of him and acted out of Compassion for the suffering he witnessed. If you were lying in the gutter having been robbed and attacked, would you want someone questioning you as to your "deserving" of their compassion before they helped you. Perhaps you would, i certainly wouldnt ,and can only go on that basis to follow Christs teaching of "Treat others as you'd want them to treat you". In fact Christ goes further than that, he also says we should Love our enemies, do good to those that hate you and bless those that spitefully use and persecute use you. Christ was also accused of associating with "sinners" by the righteous people of his day, the good people who fail to recognise the sin within themselves but are only too quick to pronounce on the sins of others, perhaps you should read again the story of the woman taken in Adultery where Christ uttered the words " let him without sin cast the first stone", and that "stone" can come in many forms, self righteousness, hate and intolerance being some of them.

I've heard it said that if we look long and hard enough we can find texts in the Bible that suit our worst thoughts and actions. That if we approach our faith with Hate and intolerance in our hearts we can justify genocide, racism, slavery and a disregard for those in need,. Seems to me that you need to decide whether or not youre going to follow Christs teachings and build your life on the solid rock of his truth or try to find reasons that support your view of how things should be and not how Christ commands we should act
 
Absolutely agree. We only learn when our established views are challenged biblically.

Satan always wants to destroy order and replace it by chaos. Destroying the family and stable nations are satan's work and quite visible in today's world.
But we do live in "Chaos", the world is in turmoil, war, famine, environmental destruction and pestilence stalk the land driven by, greed, selfishness, lust, envy, hate and an indifference to the suffering of others. Dont be deceived that just because a relative few live in "stability" in relative wealth and comfort, that this worlds a "stable" and "orderly" place. It is presided over by Satan as evidenced by him being able to offer Christ ALL the Kingdoms of this World because as he said" they are mine to give"
All big decisions need to be made in prayer. Jesus didn't bring down the roman empire in his first coming. He did break up some families with His "follow me" but that doesn't mean He's anti-family. The bible gives us general principles but a relationship with Christ and the indwelling Holy Spirit guides us through the specific situations' daily decisions we make.
Totally agree, prayer and the word of God should be our guide through life. If we're not following Christs teachings as best we can then we're not building our faith and our lives on the firm rock of his truth
There's no easy "the left is always right"/"the right is always right".
I dont believe that there is such a thing as a "liberal" or "Conservative" Christian, there are only Christians, we should not be "left" or "Right" but "Christ centred", and willing to change our views and pre conceived opinions when shown they conflict with Christs teachings of Love, Justice and Compassion.
 
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