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Ephesians 2:8 "For by grace are ye saved through FAITH; and that(faith) not of yourselves it(faith) is the gift of God."

So we see clearly that you are 100% wrong.

LOL!!!

What context would you like? He simply said His sheep hear His voice, I do, but I doubt you have.

Please don't respond to me as I have no interest in arguing with an unlearned child.

I'm so glad that you said that, because I am about to educate you on your Biblical illiteracy and false doctrine. You really need to go back to the 3rd grade reading level of English and re-learn how English grammar works (because when it comes to the subject, predicate, nouns, verbs, and so forth, you have obviously allowed false teachings and bias to dictate your brain).

For your obviously needed education:

Ephesians 2:8
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,



Ephesians 2:8

τη G3588 T-DSF the (definite article)

γαρ G1063 CONJ because (conjunction)

χαριτι G5485 N-DSF acceptance, benefit, favor, gift, (noun) (Dat)

εστε G1510 V-PAI-2P “to be” verb (present tense – “is” or “are”

σεσωσμενοι G4982 V-RPP-NPM to save (past tense) Gk. Verbal noun - SUBJECT

δια G1223 PREP through (Preposition)

πιστεως G4102 N-GSF faith (noun) (genitive)

και G2532 CONJ and/also (conjunction)

τουτο G3778 D-NSN this/that (demonstrative pronoun)

ουκ G3756 PRT-N no/not (particle of negation)

εξ G1537 PREP out of/from (preposition)

υμων G4771 P-2GP your (personal pronoun)

θεου G2316 N-GSM God (noun) (genitive)

το G3588 T-NSN the (definite article)

δωρον G1435 N-NSN gift (noun) (nominative)

This is how it reads when all of the Greek grammar is taken into consideration:

Ephesians 2:8
because in accepting Christ you have been saved from sin through faith, and that was not of your own doing, that salvation is the gift of God.

The word "saved" in the text is the subject of the sentence, it is a Greek "verbal noun," which can be the subject depending upon how they are utilized in a sentence, and in this case, it is the subject of the clause. The "it" does NOT refer to the word "faith," because it is NOT the subject of the sentence.

Therefore, I am not the "unlearned child" in this conversation, sammy boy...and you are clinging to false calvinistic doctrine that says God gives us faith to believe, and why does calvinism teach that? Because practically every point of calvinism is come to not by Scripture, but through carnal reasoning. Calvin's doctrines of original sin, leading to the need for total depravity, leading into the need for faith to be given by God, are all false doctrines. The ONLY thing calvin had correct, is that Jesus is the Son of God...after that, calvinism teaches shadows of truth that take people to hell.

Consider yourself "schooled."
 
Ephesians 2:8 "For by grace are ye saved through FAITH; and that(faith) not of yourselves it(faith) is the gift of God."

So we see clearly that you are 100% wrong.



What context would you like? He simply said His sheep hear His voice, I do, but I doubt you have.

Please don't respond to me as I have no interest in arguing with an unlearned child.
lol There you go, you went and got him all emotional and intellectual.
 
lol There you go, you went and got him all emotional and intellectual.

Nice try, ignat. No emotional, but yeah...all intellectual, something you think you have but clearly and obviously do not.

Go educate yourself first, then come back and maybe we can have a real conversation...
 
LOL!!!



I'm so glad that you said that, because I am about to educate you on your Biblical illiteracy and false doctrine. You really need to go back to the 3rd grade reading level of English and re-learn how English grammar works (because when it comes to the subject, predicate, nouns, verbs, and so forth, you have obviously allowed false teachings and bias to dictate your brain).

For your obviously needed education:

Ephesians 2:8
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,



Ephesians 2:8

τη G3588 T-DSF the (definite article)

γαρ G1063 CONJ because (conjunction)

χαριτι G5485 N-DSF acceptance, benefit, favor, gift, (noun) (Dat)

εστε G1510 V-PAI-2P “to be” verb (present tense – “is” or “are”

σεσωσμενοι G4982 V-RPP-NPM to save (past tense) Gk. Verbal noun - SUBJECT

δια G1223 PREP through (Preposition)

πιστεως G4102 N-GSF faith (noun) (genitive)

και G2532 CONJ and/also (conjunction)

τουτο G3778 D-NSN this/that (demonstrative pronoun)

ουκ G3756 PRT-N no/not (particle of negation)

εξ G1537 PREP out of/from (preposition)

υμων G4771 P-2GP your (personal pronoun)

θεου G2316 N-GSM God (noun) (genitive)

το G3588 T-NSN the (definite article)

δωρον G1435 N-NSN gift (noun) (nominative)

This is how it reads when all of the Greek grammar is taken into consideration:

Ephesians 2:8
because in accepting Christ you have been saved from sin through faith, and that was not of your own doing, that salvation is the gift of God.

The word "saved" in the text is the subject of the sentence, it is a Greek "verbal noun," which can be the subject depending upon how they are utilized in a sentence, and in this case, it is the subject of the clause. The "it" does NOT refer to the word "faith," because it is NOT the subject of the sentence.

Therefore, I am not the "unlearned child" in this conversation, sammy boy...and you are clinging to false calvinistic doctrine that says God gives us faith to believe, and why does calvinism teach that? Because practically every point of calvinism is come to not by Scripture, but through carnal reasoning. Calvin's doctrines of original sin, leading to the need for total depravity, leading into the need for faith to be given by God, are all false doctrines. The ONLY thing calvin had correct, is that Jesus is the Son of God...after that, calvinism teaches shadows of truth that take people to hell.

Consider yourself "schooled."

You are 100% correct. He has been educated now and hopefully will accept and walk in the truth.
 
Nice try, ignat. No emotional, but yeah...all intellectual, something you think you have but clearly and obviously do not.

Go educate yourself first, then come back and maybe we can have a real conversation...
INTELLECTUAL IDIOTS (MANS SYSTEM OF BELIEF)(CARNAL MIND)
2 Cor 11:3
3 But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
Matt 11:25
25 At that time Jesus answered and said, "I thank You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and prudent and have revealed them to babes.
John 6:61
61 When Jesus knew in Himself that His disciples complained about this, He said to them, "Does this offend you?
Matt 11:6
6 "And blessed is he who is not offended because of Me."
Matt 12:37
37 "For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned."
Matt 18:3
3 and said, "Assuredly, I say to you, unless you are converted and become as little children, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.
Col 2:8
8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.
John 5:38-39
38 "But you do not have His word abiding in you, because whom He sent, Him you do not believe.
39 "You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me.
John 3:34
34 "For He whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God does not give the Spirit by measure.
1 Tim 6:3-4
3 If anyone teaches otherwise and does not consent to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which accords with godliness,
4 he is proud, knowing nothing, but is obsessed with disputes and arguments over words, from which come envy, strife, reviling, evil suspicions,
Rom 16:18
18 For those who are such do not serve our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly, and by smooth words and flattering speech deceive the hearts of the simple.
Matt 23:24
24 "Blind guides, who strain out a gnat and swallow a camel!
Matt 13:14-15
14 "And in them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled, which says: 'Hearing you will hear and shall not understand, and seeing you will see and not perceive;
15 For the hearts of this people have grown dull. Their ears are hard of hearing, and their eyes they have closed, lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, lest they should understand with their hearts and turn, so that I should heal them.'
Rom 3:18
18 "There is no fear of God before their eyes."
Luke 1:50
50 And His mercy is on those who fear Him from generation to generation.
2 Tim 2:14-15
14 Remind them of these things, charging them before the Lord not to strive about words to no profit, to the ruin of the hearers.
15 Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
1 Cor 1:26
26 For you see your calling, brethren, that not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called.
Rom 11:25
25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.
Rom 12:16
16 Be of the same mind toward one another. Do not set your mind on high things, but associate with the humble. Do not be wise in your own opinion.
Heb 4:12-13
12 For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
13 And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account.
2 Pet 2:18-19
18 For when they speak great swelling words of emptiness, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through lewdness, the ones who have actually escaped from those who live in error.
19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are slaves of corruption; for by whom a person is overcome, by him also he is brought into bondage.
1 Cor 2:1-14
1 And I, brethren, when I came to you, did not come with excellence of speech or of wisdom declaring to you the testimony of God.
2 For I determined not to know anything among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified.
3 I was with you in weakness, in fear, and in much trembling.
4 And my speech and my preaching were not with persuasive words of human wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power,
5 that your faith should not be in the wisdom of men but in the power of God.
6 However, we speak wisdom among those who are mature, yet not the wisdom of this age, nor of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing.
7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory,
8 which none of the rulers of this age knew; for had they known, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
9 But as it is written: "Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, nor have entered into the heart of man the things which God has prepared for those who love Him."
10 But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God.
11 For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God.
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God.
13 These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
John 9:39
39 And Jesus said, "For judgment I have come into this world, that those who do not see may see, and that those who see may be made blind."
Rom 11:8
8 Just as it is written: "God has given them a spirit of stupor, eyes that they should not see and ears that they should not hear, to this very day."
Luke 16:8
8 "So the master commended the unjust steward because he had dealt shrewdly. For the sons of this world are more shrewd in their generation than the sons of light.
1 Tim 6:20-21
20 O Timothy! Guard what was committed to your trust, avoiding the profane and idle babble and contradictions of what is falsely called knowledge--
21 by professing it some have strayed concerning the faith. Grace be with you. Amen.
(NKJ)


xxChristians are going to lose lots of carnal arguements to intellectuals. This is how they are separated, the sheep from the goats. But those who have lots of human wisdom also have lots of deception. Because to come to the Holy Spirit it is required to purge the carnal wisdom and have faith in the verses. Because the intellect is of the flesh and human wisdom. But faith is of the verses and strength to endure the humiliation by the intellectuals. An intellectual has to be right at all cost, and their arguement will waver back and forth until they feel they have won. But remember God has made foolish the wisdom of man. He who is from God speaks the Words of God(verses). Man is glorified on earth, but Christians will be glorified in the resurrection.

Heb 12:3
3 For consider Him who endured such hostility from sinners against Himself, lest you become weary and discouraged in your souls.
(NKJ)


RATIONAL MIND
Mark 2:6-8
6 And some of the scribes were sitting there and reasoning in their hearts,
7 "Why does this Man speak blasphemies like this? Who can forgive sins but God alone?"
8 But immediately, when Jesus perceived in His spirit that they reasoned thus within themselves, He said to them, "Why do you reason about these things in your hearts?
Luke 5:21-22
21 And the scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying, "Who is this who speaks blasphemies? Who can forgive sins but God alone?"
22 But when Jesus perceived their thoughts, He answered and said to them, "Why are you reasoning in your hearts?
(NKJ)

xxThe one big problem with the rational mind(reasoning out things) is that they assume that they know the truth about everything already. So they start out in their thinking with the assumption that they can know. But what does the Word of God say: unless you become as a little child, you will by no means enter the kingdom of God. And a little child just believes everything you tell them. Well that is what the Word of God says, just believe what the Word tells you. In reality the Word is saying believe it first and then God will open your understanding. But the rational mind says dont believe nothing until you have good reason behind it. This is the difference between accepting it on faith, and reasoning it out according to mans wisdom. The Word accually says to first repent then believe in the gospel. It doesnt say reason it out until it says what you want it to. To many have a pre-conceived idea planted by some man before they open the bible. Then they search to find something that supports their already pre-conceived idea.This is a deception. And until one humbles themselves to the Word of God. They will be deceived into believing their own opinion has some sort of authority over the Word. That is a true intellectual idiot. One who believes they can explain scripture without useing scripture to do it is a Intellectual Idiot.


Mark 1:15
15 and saying, "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand. Repent, and believe in the gospel."
(NKJ)


1 Cor 2:4-5
4 And my speech and my preaching were not with persuasive words of human wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power,
5 that your faith should not be in the wisdom of men but in the power of God.
(NKJ)


Phil 3:8
8 Yet indeed I also count all things loss for the excellence of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them as rubbish, that I may gain Christ

[1Co 1:19-21
19 For it is written: "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, And bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent."
20 Where [is] the wise? Where [is] the scribe? Where [is] the disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe.

See also Wisdom, Knowledge, Spiritual, Carnal, Vindicate
 
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