Tis IS the season.....but WHOSE?

[Eccl12v13]

Thank you Eccl12v13 for your post, I happen to agree with you on the occult origins of Christmas. In all actuality many of the holidays we celebrate in America and around the globe stem from an occult origin. A very informative video on this topic is Americas Occult Holidays by Doc Marquis which can be obtained through the prophecy club. I must say it is quite appalling to find that those things we were raised in and assumed to be good have come from Satan via the occult all along. I no longer celebrate the holidays I know have origins in the occult because you're absolutely right, God has no pleasure in such things. To me it would be no different to pick up a Ouija board and try to justify using it by saying I was talking to God, or it's a tradition we use to honor him on his birthday and these reasons are ok because my heart and mind are focused on God. On another note the Bible never tells us to celebrate Christs birth, it only tells us to celebrate what was done for us on the cross in the act of communion. Rom. 14:23 ...for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

Thanks again for bringing the deception of Satan to light.

First I would like to say Thank you for being a brave person. Not only is this your first post, but for your first post you have decided NOT to let the lies of Satan and the majority of those reading this thread to keep you from telling the truth that God has spoken!

Well.....If you have gone through half of what I have when I stopped celebrating holidays with pagan origins with my family, I'm sure you know what to expect here on this forum. But God tells us to....

"Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine."

Again....Thanks!


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[will]

It's not what say me.....it's what says God. And God tells us the following;

Jer.10
[1] Hear ye the word which the LORD speaketh unto you, O house of Israel:
[2] Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.

God does not tells us NOT to worship their gods, but not to even learn their ways.

[3] For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.

God tells us their customs are VAIN! In other words, it is done for NOTHING! Let's now read a custom that is done in VAIN.

[4] They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
[5] They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.

God tells us NOT to bring a tree into your house and decorate it. He tells us not to be afraid for it can neither fo good nor bad.

But the main point God makes it NOT to learn the ways!

And what has the world done? Just the opposite. Not only does the world bring in a tree; they hang the wreaths and the mistletoe, bring in Holly into their homes, burn the yule logs and exchange gifts. And every lost one of these activities were once used to worship idols. But now the world thinks it's ok to use these same items and say they NOW are being used to celebrate the Lords birthday....and they do not believe He would have a problem with it.

Let's read what say the Lord;

"Abstain from all appearance of evil."

Were any of the above actions EVER used to worship the Lord or celebrate His birth? NO! They ALL were once used to worship idol gods.

"Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God."

Are you following that which is GOOD, by using items that were once used to worship idols?

"When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations."

From the beginning God tells us NOT to learn the actions of other nations.

"Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?"

Were these items used by "believers" or "unbelievers" when they were first done? These items were used by those that did NOT believe in the true and living God.....and look who has adopted the ways of the heathens. Using the SAME items and doing the SAME activities at the SAME time of year IS being equally yoked with unbelievers.

Tell me.....if Jesus was to return to earth during the X-Mas season and walked into the homes and found a tree decorated, wreaths and mistletoe hung, holly and yule logs burning HOW would He be able to tell those that serve idols from those that claim to serve Him?

Do you not think He knows how and what these items were once used for? And you really think He would not mind His name being associated with those things that were once used to worship idols, just because NOW you say, these things are being used to celebrate your birth Lord!

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Brother, honestly, I haven't put up a Christmas tree for many, many years in my house. I love the smell of live evergreen in the house in winter time, but I don't like the transient nature of the decoration.

That's right, it's a decoration not a sign of allegiance. If I put up an altar and give offering to other gods (some Christians that I know of do that), then yes, you are absolutely correct that we should not do that.

Furthermore what is in my heart (and your heart) during the season is infinitely more important because God sees the heart of men. It is more important to me that I rid my heart of things that is unsightly in God's eyes like: jealousy, greed, pride. These things creep up on you, and you can't get rid of it as easily as an evergreen in January.

I cannot answer your question about how The Lord would think about anything other than what is in my heart.

Whether a believer puts up a tree or not, it is not more important than what is going on in his or her own heart. And trust me, no other season during the year where people feel more alone and sad about their situations in life.

Now tell me, if I were one of the people who has no one, and my heart is empty despite the season's activities, which one would I rather hear? That Christmas traditions are of pagan-origin, etc. Or that someone care enough about me to talk to me about a gift given long time ago by the God who would die for me?

I'm not dismissing your research, and I am intrigued by the verses you quoted about the trees. But please, present it as the result of your study of the Scripture with humility, not beating everyone here over the head with your judgments of someone's motive.

 

[Gmart]

I'm not dismissing your research, and I am intrigued by the verses you quoted about the trees. But please, present it as the result of your study of the Scripture with humility, not beating everyone here over the head with your judgments of someone's motive.

It takes a considerable amount of humility to speak the truth where you know it will be rejected. We are all preachers, preaching to the world what kind of person we are in all that we do and say. All who partake in Christmas are saying I practice occult ways, motive is irrational the action is what's speaking, this puts us at enmity with God.

James 4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.
Jeremiah 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

Thanks for the welcome Eccl12v13

 

[Siabrae]

Interesting thread.
Personally, I celebrate Christmas, and have a tree etc. I do not believe God says this is wrong.

First of all, Christmas (and other Christian festivals) are there for the purposes of celebrating Christ. Just because secular folk decide to celebrate them for the gifts/chocolate/whatever should not sway us - are we to be ruled by the world?
Secondly, the dates of Christian festivals may in some instances have been placed around or on the time of pagan festivals - to show that Christ had conquered the pagan religions. So if we decide we must not celebrate on those days (we'd have a hard time finding a non-pagan day to celebrate on!) are we not saying that actually pagan gods have conquered Christ?
Thirdly, Jeremiah, in context, is clearly speaking of a tree as a thing to be worshipped, decorated and then becoming an idol. He is not speaking of using a tree for decoration - do you also condemn the decoration of trees outside the Christmas season? Are we really "accidentally" worshipping a pagan god?
Fourthly, the customs you mention are just that, customs. If you become Christian you are not required to change your entire culture to another's, some things are simply a custom and not connected to religion. Many of the things you mention have not been used in relation to pagan gods for hundreds or thousands of years. Do those gods still have power?
Fifthly, have you considered that sharing bread and wine was practised in pre-Christian pagan worship? Does that mean Jesus incited us to things "not of God"? Things can be sanctified by their Christian usage in the same way as us ex-pagans can be sanctified in the light of Christ.

And as for the oujia board - for me that is like visiting a medium, or praying to a demon/deity, there is no way they could be called a cultural custom. There is an obvious difference between soliciting a demon through a oujia board and hanging up a bit of holly.

 

[james g]

We know from Scripture, for example, that
“days, seasons, months and years,” do not belong to the Christian position in the least degree, but
are Jewish or pagan in origin. Christmas, Lent, Easter, the whole “church calendar,” forms, ritualism,
the confessional, the mass, clergy,—where are these found in the Epistles of the New Testament?
They are not found! Yet try once to dislodge them from those in whose hearts they have been
planted! For their heart-hopes are bound up with these false traditions."Merry Xmas Everybody"

 

[Kit Carson]

Hey:

Saying it simply Christmas is fine. The kids who really do not comprehend the whole deal yet, have a good time, families get together this time of year and all have a good time.

But consider this. So simple. We accept Jesus and ask him into our lives and we are changed. To the point that if I want to put some oil under a buddies motorcycle as a joke the Holy Spirit says, Kit behave. Lol! What I am saying is we are changed. We are in tune with right and wrong.

So why do you think traditions and cultures observed by Christians for the right reasons are not the same? Those of us who do celebrate Christmas do not even think of pagan things, the tradition is held for the simple show of appreciation of what Christ did for us. So if we are changed , why would you figure traditions would not change?? That is my simple answer to all this. Why would you ignore that if we are changed people that our traditions would not change with us and be righteous in their intent?

Christmas is but a time to see the family together, to have some fun and to give thanks to God for all we have, and to honor him.

Sure there are a few bad things in some of it, such as fear and concern by some about money and gifts and keeping up with the equality of gifts, but hey, if you do not have money, a simple home made card or something made with your hands is cool. The main thing is to just say Hi to God and tell him Thanks for all.

God told me long ago, I do not wish you to live in fear, I wish you to enjoy life, and you can, so long as you in your intent are correct. I do not ask you to give up all and sit in ashes and try to achieve perfection by sacrifice. I already gave you perfection and sacrificed my Son for you. So if you just behave and give me Thanks and honor me, I do not require you live in fear.

Do I fear God, you bet, I have no desire to be a charcoal briquet , I am convinced , he does not need to tell me.
So if you wish to enjoy Christmas and give honor to God in this day, hey do so. It is not a sin. Traditions and or culture, with changed reasons , are OK.


Now that Ouija board, I am scared of that thing. I suppose I was in my early twenties and we bought one of those things as a curiousity and took it home. Really did not believe in such things, was just curious mainly.
So we got it out late one evening and had a go. I asked it if anyone was present and it spelled out yes. uh oh. Then I asked who are you and it did not move for a bit, then it spelled out 45 DIE. I knew I had not moved the thing, I knew it was working, back in the box it went and the next day I burned it and buried the remains in the yard.

I worried about that for years, did the spirit die at 45 or was I to die at 45. God told me , silly ignore it , I hold you so worry not. Still I knew that thing was dangerous .

Kinda funny ya think?? I Kit will not mess with any Ouija board, No, NO.

But Christmas is cool. God does not wish us to live in fear or to listen to men who place added words to assumed restrictions and fear. This goes for many things, not just Christmas.

We are to feel joy and be happy, when we can. There is time enough for bad days, and challenges of life and being watchful of the world. So in my heart I know to celebrate Christmas and give honor to God for all we have is fine.

Kit

 

[Eccl12v13]

Those of us who do celebrate Christmas do not even think of pagan things, the tradition is held for the simple show of appreciation of what Christ did for us.

If this is truly the case let me ask you this;

Why do you show your appreciation during the SAME time of year that the pagans used to, and STILL DO, today?

Why would you want to even associate the birth of Christ with a pagan holiday?

Why do you use the SAME items that the pagans used, ans STILL use today to show your appreciation to Christ?

If you wanted to show that you were thankful for His birth why not at least change the time of year and the items used?

What do you think the pagans are saying when you show your appreciation to God during the SAME time of year and using the SAME items as they use?

Who is copying who here? Who has learned who's ways? Who has become equally yoked with the heathens?

Yep....you sure showed them!

Not only did the world learn ONE of their ways.....

"Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe."

The world learned them ALL!

That will get those pagans to follow the true and living God!

And you believe God, "For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:", is really ok with this?

As I have asked...

Do you believe your God will be ok with using pagan items to show appreciation to Him when He returns?

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[jiggyfly]

But that does not answer the question.....

During Jesus 1000 year rule here on earth, do you honestly believe He will say it is ok to observe His birthday using the SAME items that were once used to worship idols?

Do you believe that Jesus will say it is now ok to bring a tree, even though you say you are not worshiping it, into your homes, decorate it with silver and gold and say this is what we do to honor your birth?

Do you think you will be able to hang wreaths and mistletoe, burn yule logs and exchange gifts to honor Him?

Or........

Will you be keeping God's 7th day sabbath, Passover, Day of Atonement, Tabernacles and ALL of the rest of His holy days that He said will be kept forever?

Man's X-Mas or God's Holy days?

Which will God demand be kept during His rule here on earth?

Man's traditions or His laws?

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This is a second attempt. Do you understand the meaning of the Hebrew word olam?

 

[Bobby J]

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When I was in total darkness when satan Had me bound.
Jesus came into me in the midst of darkness and satan He did dispell that my soul not go to hell

Jesus came in the darkest time of the world a time when God never gave any open visions.The day he chose to come on was the darkest day of the year for it ws the shortest day of the year. He came on the devil day in order to despell the darkness there in. The Light of this world Jesus chose to come in the midst of darkness lighting up the way.

If Jesus wants to get rid of darkness all he has to do is show up and darkness is no more.
Now we as fleshy minded Christains chose to see things our way and want to edify satan and his sick ways by saying it is a sin to rejoice in feastivities on Jesus day because it once use to be satans day but not anymore for Jesus destroyed the works of darkness only we who fight for satans right to keep that day will observe satan and worship him by acknowleging it belongs to him instead of Jesus.

God does not want us to expose other gods but to dispose of them.

Exodus 22:28 You shall not revile, (berate) the gods, nor curse the ruler of your people.
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Ex23:13 And in all things that I have said unto you be circumspect: and make no mention of the name of other gods, neither let it be heard out of your mouth.

You can see here that God does not want us to carry other gods on year after year for others to edify it is sin to do such that is to even talk of them. for Christ defeated them with His light. Get in the light stay out of degenerating darknesses of the past, they quinch the very Spirit of God in you
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Deuteronomy 10:16 Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiff-necked.
10:17 For the Lord your God is God of gods, and Lord of Lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regards not persons, nor takes reward:
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[ozell]

when the tradition was first spoken of by God, where was the Messiah? was he born yet?

who is the nations celebrating here in Jeremiah when we see the same tradition done today.

in other words who is this person they celebrate here in Jeremiah 10?
Jeremiah 10


<SUP id=en-KJV-19203 class=versenum>1</SUP>Hear ye the word which the LORD speaketh unto you, O house of Israel:

<SUP id=en-KJV-19204 class=versenum>2</SUP>Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.

<SUP id=en-KJV-19205 class=versenum>3</SUP>For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.

<SUP id=en-KJV-19206 class=versenum>4</SUP>They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
<SUP id=en-KJV-19207 class=versenum>5</SUP>They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.

 

[jiggyfly]

when the tradition was first spoken of by God, where was the Messiah? was he born yet?

who is the nations celebrating here in Jeremiah when we see the same tradition done today.

in other words who is this person they celebrate here in Jeremiah 10?
Jeremiah 10


<SUP id=en-KJV-19203 class=versenum>1</SUP>Hear ye the word which the LORD speaketh unto you, O house of Israel:

<SUP id=en-KJV-19204 class=versenum>2</SUP>Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.

<SUP id=en-KJV-19205 class=versenum>3</SUP>For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.

<SUP id=en-KJV-19206 class=versenum>4</SUP>They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
<SUP id=en-KJV-19207 class=versenum>5</SUP>They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.

Do you have any proof that this is speaking of a Christmas tree? This could possibly be something similar to a totem.:wink:

 

[ozell]

Jeremiah 10


Hear ye the word which the LORD speaketh unto you, O house of Israel:

Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.

For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.

They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.

They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.

 

[Eccl12v13]

Do you have any proof that this is speaking of a Christmas tree? This could possibly be something similar to a totem.:wink:

Does it matter what is being spoken of? God tells us NOT to learn the ways of other nations!

Should we now do that which God tells us not to do be it for ANY reason?

God described the most popular holiday to a "T", tells us NOT to duplicate this action and what does man do?

Says this is now to show that we are thankful that Jesus was born!

If God wanted to have us to celebrate the birth of His Son He would have told us where He told us to keep all of His other Holy days;

Lev.23
[1] And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
[2] Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.
[3] Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.
[4] These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.

Notice whose feast these are. They are NOT the nation of Israel's feast...they are GOD"S Holy days.

Should not GOD"S Holy days be observed vs. man's?

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[Bobby J]

Celebrate Christmass

The following scriptures are the celebration of Christmass what more evidence do you need? it is written rejoice.

A perfect example he even received gifts a perfect example of us giving to the children at the occasion.

God is a God of great joy not a party pooper He even made wine for the party after his mothers request.

Matt 2.2 Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" />

If that is not the first Christmass celebration what is? Christmass Is just (Christ) Gods (Mass) mass is the gathering together. In the which we honor him.

Matt 2.10 When they saw the star, they rejoiced with exceeding great joy.

Look right their they rejoiced with exceeding Great Joy.

11 And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense and myrrh.
Kings as well visited Jesus.

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Psalm 72.10-11 The kings of Tarshish and of the isles shall bring presents: the kings of <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comffice:smarttags" /><st1lace w:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on">Sheba</st1:country-region></st1lace> and Seba shall offer gifts.
Yea, all kings shall fall down before him: all nations shall serve him.
Luke 2:10 And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.

Good tidings of great Joy that is a celebration of Jesus

11 For unto you is born this day in the city of <st1lace w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">David</st1:City></st1lace> a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.

12 And this shall be a sign unto you; You shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger.

13 And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying,

Even the angels were singing.

14 Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.

Luke 2:20 And the shepherds returned, glorifying and praising God for all the things that they had heard and seen, as it was told unto them.

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They were still celebrating after they left His presence.

How much more evidence do you need for a joyful occasion He came down from heaven for us so we would not go to hell rejoice mercy.

Joy Joy Joy down in my heart to stay




These verses are referring to celebrate Jesus on Christmass
A Psalm.
1 O sing unto the LORD a new song; for he hath done marvellous things: his right hand, and his holy arm, hath gotten him the victory.
2 The LORD hath made known his salvation: his righteousness hath he openly shewed in the sight of the heathen.
3 He hath remembered his mercy and his truth toward the house of <st1lace w:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on">Israel</st1:country-region></st1lace>: all the ends of the earth have seen the salvation of our God.
the Gentiles
4 Make a joyful noise unto the LORD, all the earth: make a loud noise, and rejoice, and sing praise.
5 Sing unto the LORD with the harp; with the harp, and the voice of a psalm.
6 With trumpets and sound of cornet make a joyful noise before the LORD, the King.
7 Let the sea roar, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein.
8 Let the floods clap their hands: let the hills be joyful together
9 Before the LORD; for he cometh to judge the earth: with righteousness shall he judge the world, and the people with equity.
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Zec 2.10 Sing and rejoice, O daughter of <st1lace w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Zion</st1:City></st1lace>: for, lo, I come, and I will dwell in the midst of thee, saith the LORD.
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Rev 12.1-12 is talking about Christ’s birth

 

[Bobby J]

Celebrate Christmass

The following scriptures are the celebration of Christmass what more evidence do you need? it is written rejoice.

A perfect example he even received gifts a perfect example of us giving to the children at the occasion.

God is a God of great joy not a party pooper He even made wine for the party after his mothers request.

Matt 2.2 Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.
If that is not the first Christmass celebration what is? Christmass Is just (Christ) Gods (Mass) mass is the gathering together. In the which we honor him.

Matt 2.10 When they saw the star, they rejoiced with exceeding great joy.
Look right their they rejoiced with exceeding Great Joy.

11 And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense and myrrh.

Kings as well visited Jesus.

Psalm 72.10-11 The kings of Tarshish and of the isles shall bring presents: the kings of Sheba and Seba shall offer gifts.
Yea, all kings shall fall down before him: all nations shall serve him.

Luke 2:10 And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.
Good tidings of great Joy that is a celebration of Jesus
11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.
12 And this shall be a sign unto you; You shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger.
13 And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying,
Even the angels were singing.
14 Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.
Luke 2:20 And the shepherds returned, glorifying and praising God for all the things that they had heard and seen, as it was told unto them.

They were still celebrating after they left His presence.
How much more evidence do you need for a joyful occasion He came down from heaven for us so we would not go to hell rejoice mercy.
Joy Joy Joy down in my heart to stay

 

[ozell]

how is it that 2000 year later some of you know when Jesus was born and Herod who was there in Jesus time don't?

Matthew 2:15-17

<SUP id=en-KJV-23185 class=versenum>15</SUP>And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.

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<SUP class=versenum>16</SUP>Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had diligently inquired of the wise men. Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremiah the prophet, saying,

why is it written that Jesus told us to remember his death and not his birth?

Luke 22:18-20

<SUP id=en-KJV-25883 class=versenum>8</SUP>For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.



<SUP id=en-KJV-25884 class=versenum>19</SUP>And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me. <SUP id=en-KJV-25885 class=versenum></SUP>
<SUP class=versenum>20</SUP>Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.

 

[ozell]

The following scriptures are the celebration of Christmass what more evidence do you need? it is written rejoice.

A perfect example he even received gifts a perfect example of us giving to the children at the occasion.

God is a God of great joy not a party pooper He even made wine for the party after his mothers request.

Matt 2.2 Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.
If that is not the first Christmass celebration what is? Christmass Is just (Christ) Gods (Mass) mass is the gathering together. In the which we honor him.

Matt 2.10 When they saw the star, they rejoiced with exceeding great joy.
Look right their they rejoiced with exceeding Great Joy.

11 And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense and myrrh.

Kings as well visited Jesus.

Psalm 72.10-11 The kings of Tarshish and of the isles shall bring presents: the kings of Sheba and Seba shall offer gifts.
Yea, all kings shall fall down before him: all nations shall serve him.

Luke 2:10 And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.
Good tidings of great Joy that is a celebration of Jesus
11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.
12 And this shall be a sign unto you; You shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger.
13 And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying,
Even the angels were singing.
14 Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.
Luke 2:20 And the shepherds returned, glorifying and praising God for all the things that they had heard and seen, as it was told unto them.

They were still celebrating after they left His presence.
How much more evidence do you need for a joyful occasion He came down from heaven for us so we would not go to hell rejoice mercy.
Joy Joy Joy down in my heart to stay

where is it written in your post or so-called proof the date december 25?

where is written in your so-called proof that Jesus tld us to celebrate his date?

where is the date?

 

[ozell]

[URL="javascript:{}"]Jeremiah 10[/URL]


Hear ye the word which the LORD speaketh unto you, O house of Israel:

Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.

For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.

They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.

They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.

come now let us reason together

Isaiah 1:18

Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

 

[ozell]

Matthew 15:9


But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+15:8-10&version=KJV

 

[jiggyfly]

Jeremiah 10


Hear ye the word which the LORD speaketh unto you, O house of Israel:

Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.

For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.

They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.

They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.

That's not very conclusive now is it. People cut trees down for power poles and ocean piers, they cut them up and build houses out of them.
Temples were built in this same manner.

This scripture lines up much more with totem poles or temple buildings than it does Christmas trees.

Have you got any other proof any historical writings?