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1Pe 3:21 And baptism, which is a figure [of their deliverance], does now also save you [from inward questionings and fears], not by the removing of outward body filth [bathing], but by [providing you with] the answer of a good and clear conscience (inward cleanness and peace) before God [because you are demonstrating what you believe to be yours] through the resurrection of Jesus Christ.(AMP)

water baptism does not give eternal life, what it does is save you from questions concerning should you be water baptized. It clears your conscience from such questions once you have been water baptized. Obedience is better than sacrifice.
 
Nope I am not u double talk talk just like satan himself ur a good student of his

Twistie
You it would seem are double talking. The Bible says the flesh profits for nothing . . you say it does profit.

Which teaching master we cannot serve two. . . the flesh seen and the Spirit not seen They must be mixed. (Hebrew 4:1-2)

It boils down to like Peter when asked ; who do men say Christ is.. Peter under the influence of the antichrists' decided his flesh profited for salvation .PeTER acting as one of the many antichrists (false apostles) that were there rebuked the father and forbid the Son of man Jesus from doing the will of the father .

Peter was forgiven of his blasphemy against the Son of man Jesus and his dying powerless body . In that way we do not wrestle against flesh and blood. so then neither are we strengthened by it,. Blasphemy against the unseen Holy Spirit cannot be forgiven It's he who enlightens our new hearts as a lamp unto our feet .We can walk on the path of forgiveness.

Once a persons legs are cut off. . . "upon thy belly shalt thou go," they can no longer walk together as two in agreement with God. He gives us ears to walk with him. . . .surely we can walk in the light.the very essence of God.

Genesis 14 And the Lord God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
 
You it would seem are double talking. The Bible says the flesh profits for nothing . . you say it does profit.

Which teaching master we cannot serve two. . . the flesh seen and the Spirit not seen They must be mixed. (Hebrew 4:1-2)

It boils down to like Peter when asked ; who do men say Christ is.. Peter under the influence of the antichrists' decided his flesh profited for salvation .PeTER acting as one of the many antichrists (false apostles) that were there rebuked the father and forbid the Son of man Jesus from doing the will of the father .

Peter was forgiven of his blasphemy against the Son of man Jesus and his dying powerless body . In that way we do not wrestle against flesh and blood. so then neither are we strengthened by it,. Blasphemy against the unseen Holy Spirit cannot be forgiven It's he who enlightens our new hearts as a lamp unto our feet .We can walk on the path of forgiveness.

Once a persons legs are cut off. . . "upon thy belly shalt thou go," they can no longer walk together as two in agreement with God. He gives us ears to walk with him. . . .surely we can walk in the light.the very essence of God.

Genesis 14 And the Lord God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
Double talker son of Satan ..


Twistie
 
1Pet 3:21; Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you—not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience—through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

Mark 16:16; "He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned.

Acts 2:38; Peter said to them, "Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

1Thes 5:23; Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you entirely; and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved complete, without blame at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.


Yes the baptism of the Holy Spirit that washes us, cleaning us of sin with the water of the word or doctrines of faith that falls like rain (not inspired earthly of the devil ). .The will of God does save. "Let there be" and the new creature "it was good"

H20 is used in ceremonies it as a shadow has no redeeming value . It is a sign to the world that a person had decided to enter the ministry of believers sent as apostles .

Yes baptised in the name or power of God .we have no power of our own to forgive sin .
 
Double talker son of Satan ..


Twistie

Can you give a couple examples of what you call double talk? It could prove helpful to remove all doubt that come from ceremonial shadows . .the veil is rent.

There was no Jewish fleshly man as King of kings sitting in the Holy of Holies .Satan fell he could no longer deceive the whole world that God is a Jewish man as the one King of kings that cannot die. The time of the first century reformation (Hebrew 9) destroyed all kings as kingdoms governed by dying mankind.

I would suggest . . Study as to how and why God used ceremonies as a sign to the unbelieving world .and prophecy to the new born again creatures . Without signs mixed with the unseen things of God . . Christ the teacher that dwells in the believers (temple of God) spoke not without (parable)

Most of the more common words like disciple, prophet, prophet, prophesyings, apostle are misunderstood right form the start words that have different meaning like a coin. one side hid from the the other . words that can be used in two ways. to bless or curse words of life and death. .

Disciple . . . student of the master . Master of Light (Christ ) or darkness.(legion all of the false gods)

Prophet . . .One who declares the will of another . false prophets declaring (prophesying) the will of Legion.

Apostle . . .Sent by God . . . not God who is not seen .

Son of man, Jesus . . .Not eternal God not seen.

Shadow . . .Not the unseen substance hid from human eye . . . surpassing our understanding he freely giving us his understanding as born again ears to hear

The shadow of the substance of the Lord that worked in the Son of man Jesus in ceremonial laws His sufferings was revealed before hand . a shadow giving temporal purpose to aid us on this side of the glory, the renting of the veil .

Psalm 139:15 My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.
 
Yes the baptism of the Holy Spirit that washes us, cleaning us of sin

Acts 2:38; Peter said to them, "Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit
The Holy Spirit is a different baptism.
Acts 19:2; He said to them, "Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?" And they said to him, "No, we have not even heard whether there is a Holy Spirit."
Acts 19:3; And he said, "Into what then were you baptized?" And they said, "Into John's baptism."
Acts 19:4; Paul said, "John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in Him who was coming after him, that is, in Jesus."
Acts 19:5; When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Acts 19:6; And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they began speaking with tongues and prophesying.
Acts 19:7; There were in all about twelve men.

H20 is used in ceremonies it as a shadow has no redeeming value . It is a sign to the world that a person had decided to enter the ministry of believers sent as apostles .

Can you give me a single verse that says water baptism is ceremonial only? That it's just a sign?
John the Baptist, baptized many people... and yet.

John 10:41; Many came to Him and were saying, "While John performed no sign, yet everything John said about this man was true."

we have no power of our own to forgive sin .

Matt 18:35; "My heavenly Father will also do the same to you, if each of you does not forgive his brother from your heart."
Luke 17:3; "Be on your guard! If your brother sins, rebuke him; and if he repents,
forgive him.

I sincerely wonder were you come up with some of the things you do. I don't mean that as an insult, I am genuinely concerned.
 
Can you give a couple examples of what you call double talk?

I could give a few, but here is one...

The Bible says the flesh profits for nothing

You turned can the flesh be profited by water baptism, into the flesh profits nothing. That's a complete 180.
The flesh doesn't "give" the profit, it's true. However it can "receive" the profit of baptism as both @Curtis and I posted abovve.
 
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Can you give a couple examples of what you call double talk? It could prove helpful to remove all doubt that come from ceremonial shadows . .the veil is rent.

There was no Jewish fleshly man as King of kings sitting in the Holy of Holies .Satan fell he could no longer deceive the whole world that God is a Jewish man as the one King of kings that cannot die. The time of the first century reformation (Hebrew 9) destroyed all kings as kingdoms governed by dying mankind.

I would suggest . . Study as to how and why God used ceremonies as a sign to the unbelieving world .and prophecy to the new born again creatures . Without signs mixed with the unseen things of God . . Christ the teacher that dwells in the believers (temple of God) spoke not without (parable)

Most of the more common words like disciple, prophet, prophet, prophesyings, apostle are misunderstood right form the start words that have different meaning like a coin. one side hid from the the other . words that can be used in two ways. to bless or curse words of life and death. .

Disciple . . . student of the master . Master of Light (Christ ) or darkness.(legion all of the false gods)

Prophet . . .One who declares the will of another . false prophets declaring (prophesying) the will of Legion.

Apostle . . .Sent by God . . . not God who is not seen .

Son of man, Jesus . . .Not eternal God not seen.

Shadow . . .Not the unseen substance hid from human eye . . . surpassing our understanding he freely giving us his understanding as born again ears to hear

The shadow of the substance of the Lord that worked in the Son of man Jesus in ceremonial laws His sufferings was revealed before hand . a shadow giving temporal purpose to aid us on this side of the glory, the renting of the veil .

Psalm 139:15 My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.
Double talker agitated that I won't fall for ya double talking...

Twistie
 
Can you give a couple examples of what you call double talk? It could prove helpful to remove all doubt that come from ceremonial shadows . .the veil is rent.

There was no Jewish fleshly man as King of kings sitting in the Holy of Holies .Satan fell he could no longer deceive the whole world that God is a Jewish man as the one King of kings that cannot die. The time of the first century reformation (Hebrew 9) destroyed all kings as kingdoms governed by dying mankind.

I would suggest . . Study as to how and why God used ceremonies as a sign to the unbelieving world .and prophecy to the new born again creatures . Without signs mixed with the unseen things of God . . Christ the teacher that dwells in the believers (temple of God) spoke not without (parable)

Most of the more common words like disciple, prophet, prophet, prophesyings, apostle are misunderstood right form the start words that have different meaning like a coin. one side hid from the the other . words that can be used in two ways. to bless or curse words of life and death. .

Disciple . . . student of the master . Master of Light (Christ ) or darkness.(legion all of the false gods)

Prophet . . .One who declares the will of another . false prophets declaring (prophesying) the will of Legion.

Apostle . . .Sent by God . . . not God who is not seen .

Son of man, Jesus . . .Not eternal God not seen.

Shadow . . .Not the unseen substance hid from human eye . . . surpassing our understanding he freely giving us his understanding as born again ears to hear

The shadow of the substance of the Lord that worked in the Son of man Jesus in ceremonial laws His sufferings was revealed before hand . a shadow giving temporal purpose to aid us on this side of the glory, the renting of the veil .

Psalm 139:15 My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth
I won't tell ya nuttin son of Satan


Twistie
 
If one speaks different then what the Word tells us would that b considered blasphemous?
Depends on what we "speak". Some things are "blasphemous", and some thing are just in error.
How about one who claims ya need more then one water baptism?? Would they too not b guilty of blasphemy??
Probably not. Just Theological ignorance. HEY!! I was "baptised twice" - once in '42 by a Catholic Priest (like any normal Italian Baby), and the second time FOR REAL, after I was Born Again in '63.
 
I won't tell ya nuttin son of Satan


Twistie
You should be care full with name calling rather than proving your claim using the Bible as the law. So you plead the fifth rather than trusting that rudiments of this world profit for nothing? We could never know Christ by getting wet.

Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, (flesh and water) and not after Christ.. . . (the unseen things of God)
 
I could give a few, but here is one...



You turned can the flesh be profited by water baptism, into the flesh profits nothing. That's a complete 180.
The flesh doesn't "give" the profit, it's true. However it can "receive" the profit of baptism as both @Curtis and I posted abovve.

Yes neither literal water or literal flesh can count as profiting towards salvation .

Dying mankind can receive the profit of the Holy Spirit when the eternal not seen is mixed with the temporal seen . We can not know Christ after the temporal alone or the eternal not seen alone

The 20/20 mixing prescription below must be used if a person is to rightly divide the parables

2 Corhtitains 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

No mixing of the two then no gospel rest yoked with Christ.

Hebrew 4 4 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
 
Concerned is not being agitated .

Why are you so anxious ?. . Slow down try to study. .
Perhaps ur just ignorant to the way life is... Once ya wanna go n badger a person they no longer heed to your words well I don't I haven't even read none of your post see when I told u 4x u words confused n ya wanted to keep badgering that's one who is filled with pride n disregard to how they make another feel.. so keep talking double talker son of Satan show that pride! And concern lol u don't give a crap about nothing but people agreeing with ya

Twistie :expressionless:
 
Depends on what we "speak". Some things are "blasphemous", and some thing are just in error.

Probably not. Just Theological ignorance. HEY!! I was "baptised twice" - once in '42 by a Catholic Priest (like any normal Italian Baby), and the second time FOR REAL, after I was Born Again in '63.
So question why would one need to b rebaptized? I can't see YH kicking some one out of the family.. maybe a rededication to Him but why rebaptized so to say..
I'm just trying to see others point of view of why.. something I been pondering for a long time..

Twistie :broken_heart:
 
Perhaps ur just ignorant to the way life is... Once ya wanna go n badger a person they no longer heed to your words well I don't I haven't even read none of your post see when I told u 4x u words confused n ya wanted to keep badgering that's one who is filled with pride n disregard to how they make another feel.. so keep talking double talker son of Satan show that pride!

Twistie :expressionless:
I have no power to make another person feel or believe to do my will , ask my wife LOL .

God alone has that power to force .By His will He moves mighty men of old empowered by his gospel power you could say ; the creative law of peace . "Let there be" and its testimony "it was good. called the law of faith . . . believing God's understanding as it is written .

Matthew 11:12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.

John 6:15 When Jesus therefore perceived that they would come and take him by force, to make him a king, he departed again into a mountain himself alone.

God demotes violence with the gospel of His peace.

Christians are informed in Philippians 2:13-14. . .( the gospel as a miracle ). . .it is God alone who works in us to both will (reveal) and (empower) dying mankind do it to his good pleasure verse 14 he lovingly commands the believer to do it without murmuring. teaching us God is not served by human hands as a dying will .Jesus did the will of the father with delight.

Jonah 4 :1-4 But it displeased Jonah exceedingly, and he was very angry. And he prayed unto the Lord, and said, I pray thee, O Lord, was not this my saying, when I was yet in my country? Therefore I fled before unto Tarshish: for I knew that thou art a gracious God, and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repentest thee of the evil.Therefore now, O Lord, take, I beseech thee, my life from me; for it is better for me to die than to live.Then said the Lord, Doest thou well to be angry?
 
I have no power to make another person feel or believe to do my will , ask my wife LOL .

God alone has that power to force .By His will He moves mighty men of old empowered by his gospel power you could say ; the creative law of peace . "Let there be" and its testimony "it was good. called the law of faith . . . believing God's understanding as it is written .

Matthew 11:12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.

John 6:15 When Jesus therefore perceived that they would come and take him by force, to make him a king, he departed again into a mountain himself alone.

God demotes violence with the gospel of His peace.

Christians are informed in Philippians 2:13-14. . .( the gospel as a miracle ). . .it is God alone who works in us to both will (reveal) and (empower) dying mankind do it to his good pleasure verse 14 he lovingly commands the believer to do it without murmuring. teaching us God is not served by human hands as a dying will .Jesus did the will of the father with delight.

Jonah 4 :1-4 But it displeased Jonah exceedingly, and he was very angry. And he prayed unto the Lord, and said, I pray thee, O Lord, was not this my saying, when I was yet in my country? Therefore I fled before unto Tarshish: for I knew that thou art a gracious God, and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repentest thee of the evil.Therefore now, O Lord, take, I beseech thee, my life from me; for it is better for me to die than to live.Then said the Lord, Doest thou well to be angry?
I can just about bet that u was raised by ya mother?? Was a dad in the household?? Cause you exhibit female ways.. I say this cause I see a lot males that are raised by single woman have feminine ways.. n what u r doin is a one of them j.s. perhaps ya didn't see the part where I said I'm not reading your post I just wanna see how far ya go..
For I am told to test every Spirit and ya know who else can only copy words n repeat? Satan Satan speaks in half truths hmmm just like you

Twistie
 
So question why would one need to b rebaptized? I can't see YH kicking some one out of the family.. maybe a rededication to Him but why rebaptized so to say..
I'm just trying to see others point of view of why.. something I been pondering for a long time..

Twistie :broken_heart:
There's nothing "Magic" about baptism. When I was Baptized as a Catholic, it meant NOTHING (I didn't even know I was there, but I WAS a beautiful baby - got the photos to prove it). When I was baptized AS A BELIEVER in obedience to the Word, I was Baptized WITH UNDERSTANDING of what the symbology meant.

Baptism COMES AFTER being Born again of the Holy Spirit. any baptism that precedes that, isn't a "Baptism" at all - just a quick bath.
 
There's nothing "Magic" about baptism. When I was Baptized as a Catholic, it meant NOTHING (I didn't even know I was there, but I WAS a beautiful baby - got the photos to prove it). When I was baptized AS A BELIEVER in obedience to the Word, I was Baptized WITH UNDERSTANDING of what the symbology meant.

Baptism COMES AFTER being Born again of the Holy Spirit. any baptism that precedes that, isn't a "Baptism" at all - just a quick bath.
Ya know Thank you lol you made it very simple.for me to understand thank you so so much!..

Twistie
 
I can just about bet that u was raised by ya mother?? Was a dad in the household?? Cause you exhibit female ways.. I say this cause I see a lot males that are raised by single woman have feminine ways.. n what u r doin is a one of them j.s. perhaps ya didn't see the part where I said I'm not reading your post I just wanna see how far ya go..
For I am told to test every Spirit and ya know who else can only copy words n repeat? Satan Satan speaks in half truths hmmm just like you

Twistie

Thanks. . a reminder to myself as well as others. . Be careful that in our anger you do not sin by becoming the ruling judge (I will ascend to the clouds the invisible presence of God I will be like God.) The first work of guarding our new hearts . . .work to put aside all . . .anger. . . . anger blinds the mind . The peace according to God's understanding (faith) reveals to our mind the things of his power to raise the dead. in there trespaes and sin giving them a living hope beyond the grave. . .

Satan the murderer from the beginning is not a god of peace but of division using the oral traditions of dying mankind. . he make. . as it is writen God's word without efect . No man can serve two good teaching Masters as one unseen Lord

Three times according to your reference of Mathew 4 The Lord gave His prophet Jesus words to rebuke the spirit of lies. . three throughout the bible three denotes the "end of the matter" .Satan never saw the faith as it is written ball coming . sent him back to the bottomless dugout . end of season ."It is finished"

Do you know how to test the spirits to see if they are of dying mankind as oral traditions. . or the living abiding word of God as it is written (sola scriptura) ?.

The scripture informs us Christ has not left his children without proper tools needed rightly divide the parables which without Christ our teacher spoke not. .

How do you follow the loving commandment to try the spirits to see if of man or God not seen what are some verse that might support your offering?

I grew up or rather I am growing up with the help of my wife and our God.

I grew up having both parents. I don't blame them for my sin. . . or give them credit for me doing the will of God.. In that way we are yoked with Christ. . . we can honor our parents by giving them a little weight in our decision making . But we venerate. . . worship God alone. . . by His Spirit that does work in and with Christians.

Therefore giving us the power of the daily bread of His living word. . . falling like rain. . . softening our new hearts making our burden lighter.

Shared burden with Him . . . we can please

Female ways.? . what ways is that . . . having babies?

You did not ring any bells, strike three .

I can give a clue. . I come from a family of 11 siblings 7 boys 4 sisters . 3rd oldest boy. Like any family we had our dysfunctions. . . . The Adam's family.. . . .LOL

I ended up as a foundry worker (35 years) That was after I returned from being drafted(1968) into the Army . 35 years later I had a heart attack . . .triple bypass then they kicked me out . It was like getting kicked out of a literal family. . .not something I would desire.
 
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