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This Doctrine does NOT line up with the Word of God!

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Does This Doctrine line up with the Word of God?

There is a doctrine where people believe once they profess with their mouth, believe with their heart and become baptized in the name of Jesus Christ they are saved and there is nothing they do that will cause them to loose their salvation. Well let’s use just a little common sense and a lot of scripture to see if their claim is actually supported by God’s holy word!


Who Gets in and Who Doesn’t

Let’s look at just a few scriptures and rely on God given common sense to see just how impossible the OSAS doctrine is. Let’s read who will enter God’s kingdom, when they find out, and how this information is revealed;


Rev.3
[5] He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Rev.21
[2] And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Now this is what we all look forward to; entering New Jerusalem and eternal life is the promise God says He will give to all that obey Him. Let’s continue;

[7] He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
[10] And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

Now let’s read who inherits all things and is allowed to enter this city and who does not;

[27] And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

So to answer the questions, who, when and how;

Who is it that is able to enter into God’s kingdom? Those whose names are written in the book life!
When is this information given? At judgment day, when the saints finally overcome!
And how is it revealed? Through the reading of names out of God’s book of life

Now let’s read the fate of those whose names are not found written in God’s book of life;

Rev.17
[8] The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

Rev.20
[12] And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
[15] And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

God’s word tells us ALL were judged based upon what was written in God’s books. Notice also they were judged according to their WORKS!!! No mention of faith… ( But that’s another lesson)


Let’s do a quick review;

1. God’s word tells us says ONLY those whose names are in His books will enter into His kingdom . Rev.21:27
2. Anyone who names are NOT found in God’s books will be cast into the lake of fire. Rev.20:15
3. You do not know if your name is in God’s books UNTIL the books are opened and your name is read. Rev.20:12,15

Now let’s turn for a moment to common sense to figure out another fact;

Can a person that has died change their fate? Before answering let’s quickly read the condition of the dead;

Eccl.9
[5] For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
[6] Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun

So a dead person cannot change their fate once they die. Common sense right?With that said, a person that dies with their name written in God’s book of life WILL receive the promise of entering New Jerusalem and eternal life.

Think about it! To die with your name written in God’s book of life……can a person get any more saved than that? Of course not! But you do not truly, 100% know for sure if your name is written in God‘s books until your name is read. Let’s look at an example of some people, who Jesus tells us, THOUGHT their names were written in God’s books. They thought they were saved, but they find out much too late that is not the case.
Let’s read what Jesus had to say to some that THOUGHT they were saved at their death.

Matt.7
[21] Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Now let’s read what some of these well meaning people did…
[22] Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

First let’s understand just when, “That day” is! “That day” the Lord speaks of is Judgment day. Now if Jesus says this will happen, you can count on it happening. There are going to be some people, probably many, that will contest and argue with the Lord on “…that day…“ Now do you think the people arguing their case with the Lord are drug dealers, prostitutes or gang bangers? No! These are people that went to church every Sun. paid their tithes and did just what they told the Lord they did; they prophesied, cast out devils and did MANY wonderful works all in His name. Now why do you think they are contesting with the Lord? Because they truly believed they were saved and was doing the good works that was needed for salvation when they died! But what does Jesus tell them? Let’s read….

[23] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Jesus tells them all of what they thought was right was in vain. Now they THOUGHT they were doing the will of God when they died! They truly BELIEVED they were saved when they died! That’s why they were pleading their case. Because someone told them what they were doing was right! Someone told them once they confessed and believed, that they were saved. Someone told them there was nothing that could change it. But what did they find out on “…..THAT DAY….“? They found out all of what they had done was in vain! Someone LIED to these people!

Let’s now read from Jesus own mouth what will give eternal life….

Matt.19
[17] And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
God says if you keep His commandments you will enter into life. Which? Jesus tells us;
[18] He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
[19] Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

So even though those that were pleading their case to Jesus were prophesying, and casting out devils, and many other wonderful works in Jesus name, if they were not keeping His commandments Jesus tells us He never knew them and that they worked iniquity.

Now we know that a name MUST be in God’s book in order to have eternal life and enter into God’s kingdom. We know if a name is NOT in God’s books they will be tossed in the lake of fire. And we also know that once a person dies their fate cannot be changed. So either a name is in God’s book when a person dies or it is not! Salvation or the lake of fire will have been determined at death! Once you are dead that is it! If your name is not in God’s book at your death, the lake of fire is what you have to look forward to. Nothing changes!

But let’s look at another situation. Is it possible to have a name REMOVED from God‘s books once it is there? Is it actually possible for someone to do something that will cause them to loose their salvation? Let’s think about this for a second. What if it were possible for a persons name to be removed from God’s book and they died before their name is replaced? Can their name be placed BACK into God’s book once they are dead? Of course not. We just read in Eccl.9:5-6 that once you are dead your actions cease. So what is the fate of a person who‘s name is removed from the book of life and not replaced before they die? God’s lake of fire.

Now why would there be any mention of a name being removed from God’s book if it were not possible? Why would there even be a discussion about it in the bible? And if the topic came up why wouldn’t God correct it at some point in the bible letting us know that once a name is in God‘s books it cannot be removed? Let’s search God’s word to find if such a discussion was had.


Can a Name Really be Blotted Out of God’s Book

Let’s read a conversation Moses had with God after returning from receiving the commandments. What we are about to read is really a plea to God for the wrong the people had done;

Exod.32
[30] And it came to pass on the morrow, that Moses said unto the people, Ye have sinned a great sin: and now I will go up unto the LORD; peradventure I shall make an atonement for your sin.
[31] And Moses returned unto the LORD, and said, Oh, this people have sinned a great sin, and have made them gods of gold.

Now let’s read Moses plea to the Lord;

[32] Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin--; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written.

Moses plea to God was that his name be removed from the book of life. Now did God say that was something that was not possible? Did God tell Moses once a name is in His book it cannot be removed? Did God correct Moses by saying once a name in His book it is permanent? On the contrary! Let’s read what thus said the Lord;

[33] And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.

Notice God did not say it was impossible for a name to be removed. He did not go on to tell Moses once a name is in my book it is permanent. God did not say once your name is saved in His books that was it and nothing could be done to reverse it! Nor did God correct Moses on the spot! No! God said none of those things. He said quite the opposite! Let’s read again the answer God gave Moses concerning names in His book,

“…Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.”.

Can God be any clearer on the subject? And what did God say about His book and the fate of those whose names are not in His book;

“And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.” Rev.20:15

Now I know this was spoken in the OT and some may think it was only for those of that age, so let’s search God’s word to see if someone other than an OT figure spoke of blotting names out of God’s book of life. Let’s read if a name can be removed later on in the future.

Rev.3
[5] He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Jesus tells us those that overcome will be clothed in white raiment. And at what time will those that are found worthy be clothed with white raiment? At His coming! Jesus then tells us those that are clothed with raiment will NOT be blotted out of God’s book of! And what of those who did not receive white raiment? The only other place for them will be God’s lake of fire.

So is it possible for a name to be removed from God’s book of life! God’s holy word tells us Yes! “Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.

And what is it that will cause a name to be removed? Sin!!!

And what does God say sin is?

“Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.”

So a name that is written in God’s book of life is NOT permanent! And if that is the case, salvation is NOT permanent! God tells us the one thing that will cause a name to be removed is the breaking of His laws, or SIN!!!

A name is either IN God’s books or NOT! The choice is yours based on your actions; based upon your WORKS! “…and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.”

Now let’s get back to using common sense for a moment. If breaking God’s laws causes one to have their name removed from His book of life, what is it that will ensure a name stays in God’s books? That’s right………..! Common sense tells us the answer!

Now I’m sure there will be some that try to refute all of this by quoting a lot different scriptures, mostly from the writings of Paul, or choose not believe any of it at all, but the fact of the scriptures remain; God’s holy word tells us….

A NAME CAN BE REMOVED FROM GOD’S BOOK OF LIFE!!

And if your name is not in God’s book of life before you die you will NOT enter into His kingdom. When will you know for sure? When will you be able to say without a shadow of a doubt that you are truly saved? When your name is read. Now let’s read some other scriptures that further support what we have just read.


My God IS a Mighty Fair God

Ezek.18
[20] The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Now we know what a sinner is. It is one that breaks the laws of God, which, according to God's inspired word, ALL have done. And the scriptures says he that sinneth shall die. Understand the death spoken of here is the second death. Now let's read what happens if the sinner turns from his ways, and stops breaking God's laws, or stop sinning;

[21] But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.

[22] All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live.

So the sinner can change his fate, as long as he is alive that is. If he stops breaking Gods laws none of his transgressions will even be mentioned.

Now let's see if there is a flip side to this. Let's read what happens to the righteous when they stop keeping God’s laws;

[24] But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.

So all of the good things a righteous person does can be wiped away and counted for nothing if he begins to sin again. And does he have the chance to redeem himself? Let's read;

[26] When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die.

In other words, when the righteous turns away from doing that which he knows is right he is no longer a righteous man; this man is now a sinner. And if he continues to sin and dies in his sins, then his fate will be the fate of a sinner; dying the second death of the lake of fire.

This goes hand in hand with what God told Moses;

“Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.”

Gods ways are fair and equal for both the sinner and the righteous, just as He says in His word. We do serve a fair God!

Now some may want to still believe that they know they are saved, and once they are, they always will be and there is nothing that can change that. But let's read some more verses to see if this way of thinking should be one to adapt.

Let's read what Paul had to say about the possibility of him NOT making it into God's kingdom;

1Cor.9
[27] But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

So even Paul realized that it was possible for him to blow the mission and miss the mark, if he did not keep his body under subjection. Let’s read how Paul describes how hard it is for him to do that which he knows is right;

Rom.7
[18] For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
[19] For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
[23] But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

We find even Paul struggling with his flesh to do that which is right. There are times when he knows to do good, the will to do good is there, but he does wrong. He tells us the wrong that he does not want to do, that he does. Now what do you think Paul’s fate would be if he stopped struggling, gave in, and continued in sin after receiving the knowledge of the truth and after being made a partaker of the Holy Ghost?

Let’s let Paul tell us through the scriptures what his and anyone else fate will be if they stop doing that which they know is right and gave in to sin……

Heb.10
[26] For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
[27] But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Paul tells us if we sin willfully after having receiving the knowledge of the truth there is no more sacrifice. Jesus died and shed His blood for us one time and one time only. The only thing that can remove the curse of the second death for breaking God’s laws is the shedding of blood; "And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission." Heb.9:22. If we disgrace Jesus and reject His free gift, His blood, then God will take ours! And that is one trade you really do not want to make!

Jesus died for all of our PAST sins. If we continue to sin willfully, after coming into the knowledge of God’s word, the only thing that remains is, "...a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries."

God’s law says blood MUST be shed for the remission of sins. We can accept Jesus blood, which was the grace He gave as payment, or we can give ours; either way God is going to require someone’s blood. The gift is there for the taking....the choice is ours whether or not we will accept Jesus free gift.

Paul says it again here;

Heb.6
[4] For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
[5] And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
[6] If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
[8] But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.

What the scripture is saying is; For those that have been enlightened, tasted of the heavenly gift and partakers of the Holy Ghost, if any of these should fall away, it is impossible to renew them again unto repentance, since they have decided to attempt to crucify Christ again, and put what He did to shame, then your end shall be death.

Now if it were NOT possible for someone to fall away why would the Holy Spirit have Paul to write it? It was given as a warning. It was given to let us now once we have been enlightened and allowed to be partakers of the Holy Ghost not to go back to that old man and that old lifestyle. For God’s words tells us the fate of the righteous if they turn back and do that which is wrong and die in it; “When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die.”


Conclusion

So there you have it. If a person dies and their name is in God’s book of life they will, “…inherit all things…”! For those that die, having done something to have their name removed, they will be, “…cast into the lake of fire…”!

God says these will be the ones who names are blotted out, “Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book;”

And this is what God tells us sin is; “Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.”

The sinner can stop sinning and receive eternal life;
“But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.”

The righteous can stop being righteous and start sinning and die the second death;
“But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.”

If you continue to sin after coming into the knowledge of God’s word there is no more sacrifice. Jesus is not going to die for you again;
“For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,”

Once you have been enlightened and choose to turn away from righteousness you cannot be renewed;
"For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame, But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned."

Nobody finds out until, “…the books were opened…” No one knows for sure until, “That day”

If a name that has been removed is not replaced before they die the lake of fire will be what they inherit!

Now is God a merciful and loving and longsuffering God? Yes He is. And do we not have an advocate sitting on His right side pleading our case to God, asking Him to forgive? Yes we do.

But God does have a limit to how much He will take!

“But they mocked the messengers of God, and despised his words, and misused his prophets, until the wrath of the LORD arose against his people, till there was no remedy.“ 2 Chr.36:16

God does have a limit to how many times He will send someone to give us wisdom, but instead we reject His true word and would rather believe a lie!
“And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.” 2 Thes.2:10-12

Now you can trust what some man has told you, saying once you are saved there is nothing that can change that. Then again you may choose to believe some other scriptures that better suits what you have been taught and dismiss all that you just read.

But God’s words do not lie!

“…Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.”.

What does common sense tell you?

Once Saved Always Saved……just does not line up with God‘s word!

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Hello Eccl12v13.

You quoted Matthew 19 in your thread and implied that a person
must abide by the Ten Commandments.

Lets look at chapter 19 of the gospel of Matthew and see if what
you claim is true.
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16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master,
what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?


17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good?
there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt
enter into life, keep the commandments.


18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder,
Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal,
Thou shalt not bear false witness,


19 Honor thy father and thy mother: and,
Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.


20 The young man saith unto him,
All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?


21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast,
and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.


22 But when the young man heard that saying,
he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.


23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you,
That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.


24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through
the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.


25 When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?

26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.
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From the above verses it is clear that a person cannot by
their own effort enter into eternal life. Eternal life is a gift
given to man through Jesus Christ.

In addition, if a person by nature is not good how would they
obey the Ten Commandments?

Would not the Ten Commandments in effect sentence the person
to death?

This written code condemns the flesh to destruction.

Salvation is only found in Jesus Christ.




 
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You quoted Matthew 19 in your thread and implied that a person must abide by the Ten Commandments.

I implied nothing. I simply quoted scriptures. Jesus gave us the conditions for eternal life by answering the question as such;

Matt.19
17. "......but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments."


If you do not agree, it is not with me; it's with Jesus and the answer that your saviour gave you!


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I implied nothing. I simply quoted scriptures. Jesus gave us the conditions for eternal life by answering the question as such;

Matt.19
17. "......but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments."


If you do not agree, it is not with me; it's with Jesus and the answer that your saviour gave you!


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Jesus was speaking to those who were still under the old covenant wasn't He?
 
Context is king.

A short quote does not reveal the truth of God's
revelation. It only gives the readers of your post
the impression that salvation is linked to the
ten commandments.

This is most definitely erroneous.

Jesus was speaking to the Jews not Gentiles.

Coveting killed Paul, these commandments killed
Paul, read Romans. Salvation is found purely
in Jesus the messiah.
 
Read Romans 8

1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those
who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according
to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.

2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from
the law of sin and death.

3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through
the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh,
on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh,

4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in
us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.


Why do you not understand the quote above?

It is very clear and precise!

It is spiritual, from above, you are a new creation in Christ.
 
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Sealing of the Holy Spirit. ‘In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise" (Eph. 1:13). "Sealing" is used many times in Scripture.

(1) The Sealer. The Sealer is God the Father. "Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God; who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts" (II Cor. 1:21, 22).

(2) The Sealed. There are two who are sealed by the Father — the Son and believers. "Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give you: for him hath God the Father sealed" (John 6:27). "Grieve not the holy Spirit, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption" (Eph. 4:30). The Son was sealed because of who He is. We are sealed because of Jesus and our position in Him. The time of the believer’s sealing is when he accepts Christ as his Saviour: "In whom, having also believed ye were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise" (Eph. 1:13, R.V.).

(3) The Seal. The Holy Spirit Himself is the seal. The seal is not secured through some emotional experience, but through belief in Christ: "In whom, having also believed, ye were sealed with the holy Spirit of promise" (Eph. 1:13, R.V,).

(4) Signification.


(a) The Seal Signifies Ownership. If we are sealed we have the ownership seal of God upon us. "Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let everyone that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity (II Tim. 2:19).

(b) The Seal Signifies Identification. It is our identification for the future. "In whom [Christ] ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory" (Eph. 1:13, 14).

(c) The Seal Signifies Security. In Revelation 7:4-8 there are 144,000 sealed. Satan is sealed in the bottomless pit during the Millennium, (Rev. 20:3). The Book of Revelation has seven seals that no man can open (Rev. 6-8). We, the believers, are sealed unto the time of our redemption (Eph. 1:13, 14).

(d) The Seal Signifies a Finished Transaction. "I subscribed the evidence, and sealed it, and took witnesses, and weighed him the money in the balances" (Jer. 32: 10). The seal of the Holy Spirit is that legal evidence which testifies to the fact that we have entered into the finished work of Christ.

(e) The Seal Signifies Genuineness. "He received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also" (Rom. 4:11). See also Esther 3:12.

(f) The Seal Signifies Unchangeableness. "Write ye also for the Jews, as it liketh you, in the king’s name, and seal it with the king’s ring: for the writing which is written in the king’s name, and sealed with the king’s ring, may no man reverse" (Esth. 8:8).

(g) The Seal Signifies Value. "Is not this laid up in store with me, and sealed up among my treasures?" (Deut. 32:34).

(h) The Seal Signifies Impression. The seal always left its impression in the wax. If we are sealed with the Spirit, His impression should be on us. "It is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment" (Job 38:14). "Ye are manifestly declared to be the epistles of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshly tables of the heart" (II Cor. 3:3).


The Earnest of the Spirit. "[God] hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts" (II Cor. 1:22). See also II Corinthians 5:5; Ephesians 1:13, 14. "Earnest" is an emblem which speaks of the future. It is a part payment of that which will be paid in full at a future date. When earnest money is paid on a piece of property, both parties are bound. When God bestows His Earnest on us, He is bound for all time and eternity. The Holy Spirit is God’s Earnest, God’s down payment of our salvation. The believer has not all things as yet which he is to receive. There is more to follow. Indeed, this does stagger the imagination. If the Holy Spirit is only part of what we are to receive, and He is God, and God is everything, what will the rest be? If earnest money has been placed upon a piece of property, and the purchaser should fail to complete the transaction, he will have lost his earnest money. God has given us His Earnest, the Holy Spirit. Should He fail to complete our salvation, He will have lost His Earnest; but we know this is impossible. Thus, it is a guarantee of our eternal salvation.


(1) Illustrations of Earnest. 

(a) The Presents to Rebecca (Gen. 24). These presents were the earnest of what was to follow.
(b) The Fruit of Canaan (Num. 13). The fruit was the earnest of that which was promised, a foretaste of their inheritance which was to come.
(c) The Gifts of Boaz (Ruth 2). The handfuls of grain left for Ruth, and only for Ruth, were just an earnest of what Boaz had to offer in marriage.
(d) The First fruit (Lev. 23). This wave offering to God was man’s earnest that one tenth of his harvest was yet to go to God.

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</DIR></DIR>(2) Giver of the Earnest. God is the Giver! "Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ and hath anointed us, is God; who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts" (Il Cor.1:21,22).

(3) Description of the Earnest. The Holy Spirit is the earnest: "The earnest of the Spirit" (II Cor. 1:22).

(4) The Place of the Earnest. That place is our hearts: "The earnest of the Spirit in our hearts" (II Cor.1:22).

(5) Guarantee of the Earnest.


(a) Guarantees Our Resurrection. "Not only they, but ourselves also, which have the first fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body" (Rom. 8:2.3).
(b) Guarantees Our Inheritance. "If children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together" (Rom. 8:17).

(c) Guarantees Our Glory. "We are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ" (lI Thess. 2:13. 14).<DIR><DIR><DIR><DIR><DIR><DIR><DIR><DIR>

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A short quote does not reveal the truth of God's revelation. It only gives the readers of your post the impression that salvation is linked to the ten commandments.


This is why I dedicated an entire lesson to the subject; The blotting of names from God's books, only those whose name is in God's books will receive eternal life, the sinner turning from his sins, the righteous turning away from doing that which is right, the fact that Paul states that he must keep his body under subjection, the Holy Spirit having Paul to write that willful sin is wrong, Jesus telling us the condition thet HE says will give eternal life, the fact that the holy spirit tells us some that have been partakers of the spirit can fall away!

So Yes! You are correct! A short quote does NOT reveal the truth of God's revelation!

An entire lesson with LOTS of scriptures, on the other hand, sheds more light!


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Back to law or not the law!

I've asked the following question a couple of times in association to "should or are believers accountable or responsible for following the 10 Commandments" (or similar statements).

What is the standard of behavior by which a believer in Christ Jesus is to use in determining on whether or not that same said behavior is acceptable?

Note: We are not talking about Salvation, which we all know is by grace alone.

Curious that this subject "law or not the law" continues to pop up, in a variety of fashions throughout TJ.

Only with Love brothers & sisters.
C4E
 
3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through
the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh,

Do you know which law it is that is being spoken of?


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Dear Jiggyfly.

Why do these people always seem to quote
from the same letters. Are they all taught from
the same theological school?

Always from Matthew and James, both letters
are written to Jewish readers.

They definitely do not understand the difference
between the flesh and the Spirit.

This is not from above, that's for sure.
 
Why do these people always seem to quote
from the same letters. Are they all taught from
the same theological school?

Always from Matthew and James, both letters
are written to Jewish readers.

They definitely do not understand the difference
between the flesh and the Spirit.

This is not from above, that's for sure.


God tells us that ALL of His words are for EVERYBODY!

God does not have 2 agendas; one for Jews and another for Gentiles!

What it takes for one to receive salvation it takes for EVERYBODY!

How unfair a God that would be to have TWO sets of rules based on something we have no control over!



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3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through
the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh,

Why do you not understand the quote above?

It is very clear and precise!

But again.....which law was weak through flesh?

Do not kill?
Do not murder?
Do not lie?

Which one of God's laws was weak through flesh? Which one of God's laws did He not like? Which one of God's laws could not make the comers there unto perfect?

Which one of God's laws required WORKS?

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You asked Eccl12v13.

Which law? Is it not all Mosaic law Eccl12v13.

Romans 7 (NKJV)

21 I find then a law, that evil is present with me, the one who wills to do good.

22 For I delight in the law of God (mosaic law) according to the inward man.

23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and
bringing me into captivity to the law of sin (law of sin and death) which is in my members.

24 O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death?

25 I thank God—through Jesus Christ our Lord!


See it does not matter whether it is one or more of these laws
Eccl12v13. The process and outcome are the same, death.

Let's thank Jesus Christ, this is Spiritual.
 
Which law? Is it not all Mosaic law Eccl12v13.

Romans 7 (NKJV)

21 I find then a law, that evil is present with me, the one who wills to do good.

22 For I delight in the law of God (mosaic law) according to the inward man.

23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and
bringing me into captivity to the law of sin (law of sin and death) which is in my members.

24 O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death?

25 I thank God—through Jesus Christ our Lord!

See it does not matter whether it is one or more of these laws
Eccl12v13. The process and outcome are the same, death.

Let's thank Jesus Christ, this is Spiritual.

And which law does Paul go on to say he serves? Talk about misleading new readers! Let's read the WHOLE verse this time!

[25] I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Like God's word tell us we are to use ALL of His word's....and not leave out the parts that do not support your claim.

Readers of God's word....always get your bibles and read for yourself. Some may not post everything.

And now that we have read the entire verse...where does that leave us. Do we ignore the fact that Paul says he serves the law of God? Of course not...we can't!

Here we have TWO laws that Paul speaks; One law he keeps and the other leads to death.

Let's read something else Paul says....

Rom.7
[12] Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

So again......which law is it that is weak through the flesh? Because we know for a fact that Paul keeps God's laws! He told is in the REST of verse 25!


Readers...ALL of God's words MUST be true! You cannot have BOTH side right! Paul keeps God's laws AND says ALL were nailed to the cross? That cannot be!

But there is a solution. Paul speaks of TWO sets of laws in his writtings!

Is this not obvious!

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False division.

Dear Eccl12v13, you said:

"And now that we have read the entire verse...where does that leave us.
Do we ignore the fact that Paul says he serves the law of God?
Of course not...we can't!"


Do you have difficulty with reading Eccl12v13.

Paul directly states that the Law he serves in his mind
resulted in captivity to sin. Paul is dead at this point.

Why do you attempt to separate the law?

You are not Jewish are you Eccl12v13?

Do you believe in circumcision?

You are of course aware that obedience
to one aspect of the law requires obedience
to all mosaic law.
 
Further correction.

You also said:

"Here we have TWO laws that Paul speaks; One law he keeps and the other leads to death."


Paul does not say "he keeps", Paul says he "delights".

These are not two laws Eccl12v13, one law and the direct
consequence of the law, death.
 
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