Things that will keep you out of Heaven.

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You'll need a NT.​

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Luke 10:17-18​

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17 And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name.​

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18: And Jesus said to them, I beheld SATAN as lightning fall from Heaven​

But still Bethel,does it say,he saw Lucifer as lightning fall? No,he did not!

 

[Bethel]

But still Bethel,does it say,he saw Lucifer as lightning fall? No,he did not!

He was the same Cherub, but Jesus renamed him, on his way down.

If you want to find Him as Lucifer, you'll have to read the verses that occur before he "fell as Satan".

If you want to find him as "the Devil" then read Peter's Epistles, or Paul's... mostly.

 

[lentz]

Ezek 28:7; Therefore, behold, I will bring strangers upon you, The most ruthless of the nations. And they will draw their swords Against the beauty of your wisdom And defile your splendor.
Ezek 28:8; 'They will bring you down to the pit, And you will die the death of those who are slain In the heart of the seas.
Ezek 28:9; 'Will you still say, "I am a god," In the presence of your slayer, Though you are a man and not God, In the hands of those who wound you?
Ezek 28:10; 'You will die the death of the uncircumcised By the hand of strangers, For I have spoken!' declares the Lord GOD!"'"
Ezek 28:11; Again the word of the LORD came to me saying,
Ezek 28:12; "Son of man, take up a lamentation over the king of Tyre and say to him, 'Thus says the Lord GOD, "You had the seal of perfection, Full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.
Ezek 28:13; "You were in Eden, the garden of God; Every precious stone was your covering: The ruby, the topaz and the diamond; The beryl, the onyx and the jasper; The lapis lazuli, the turquoise and the emerald; And the gold, the workmanship of your settings and sockets, Was in you. On the day that you were created They were prepared.
Ezek 28:14; "You were the anointed cherub who covers, And I placed you there. You were on the holy mountain of God; You walked in the midst of the stones of fire.
Ezek 28:15; "You were blameless in your ways From the day you were created Until unrighteousness was found in you.
Ezek 28:16; "By the abundance of your trade You were internally filled with violence, And you sinned; Therefore I have cast you as profane From the mountain of God. And I have destroyed you, O covering cherub, From the midst of the stones of fire.
Ezek 28:17; "Your heart was lifted up because of your beauty; You corrupted your wisdom by reason of your splendor. I cast you to the ground; I put you before kings, That they may see you.
Ezek 28:18; "By the multitude of your iniquities, In the unrighteousness of your trade You profaned your sanctuaries. Therefore I have brought fire from the midst of you; It has consumed you, And I have turned you to ashes on the earth In the eyes of all who see you.
Ezek 28:19; "All who know you among the peoples Are appalled at you; You have become terrified And you will cease to be forever."'"

Verses 14 and 16 say he is a cherub ( angel ). Verse 13 says he was in the Garden of Eden.

Luke 10:18; And He said to them, "I was watching Satan fall from heaven like lightning.
Rev 12:9; And the great dragon was thrown down, the serpent of old who is called the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.

Isa 14:12; How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Isa 14:13; For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Isa 14:14; I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the

most High.
Isa 14:15; Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

He was the same Cherub, but Jesus renamed him, on his way down.

If you want to find Him as Lucifer, you'll have to read the verses that occur before he "fell as Satan".

If you want to find him as "the Devil" then read Peter's Epistles, or Paul's... mostly.

I’ve had enough

 

[Rad]

The only depiction of the Day of Judgement" that Christ gives is in Matthew 25 vs 26-41, "The Sheep and the Goats", where all the nations of the earth are divided into saved and condemned on the basis of how they reacted to those in need, the poor, the homeless, the hungry, the thirsty, the prisoner, the sick, and the stranger, which given the actions of the present US administration and those that support them, should be a grave warning to all those Trump supporting Christians intent on cutting provision for the poor, health care for the sick and persecution of the "stranger", be they refugees or so called "illegal immigrants". The oft quoted " Love god with all your heart, soul and Mind and your Neighbour as yourself" is the basic building block of Christs teaching, and while many Christians profess to Love god, loving your neighbour as yourself is more easily overlooked. Christ spoke often about the incompatibility of wealth and comfort with the profession of faith and the Gospels is littered with the rich being condemned to Hell, for how can one live in comparative wealth and comfort while hundreds of millions live and die in poverty and yet still profess faith in a Christ who calls upon his followers to love others as we love ourselves. LOVE is the currency of salvation and without it that salvation is built upon sand and will surely come crashing down when tested.

 

[Peace Seeker]

Heb 6:4; For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit,
Heb 6:5; and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come,
Heb 6:6; and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame.

Even some people who have the Holy Spirit will be surprised.

No, if you have the Holy Spirit you are sealed by Him with salvation, and Hebrews 6 is referring to judaizers who had one foot in the old covenant and one in the new. The only people that will be in for a surprise, are those who adding their performance to the finished work of Jesus on the cross.

 

[Bill]

First and foremost, you have to believe in Jesus. Without Jesus, no one goes to heaven.
So, everything else here, depends on that first. This is an absolute must. No way around this one.

There have been plenty of discussion about what believing in Jesus means here on TalkJesus.
Does it simply mean I believe there was a guy named Jesus who walked around 2,000 years ago?
Or does it mean more, does it mean believing He is the Son of God, that He died and rose again. That He lived a sinless life.
Does it mean following all the teachings that He taught as best you can?

The Bible says doing some things will keep you out of heaven. It doesn't matter if you say you believe in Jesus or not.
If you're doing these things, you need to stop, repent, or you won't enter heaven.. it really is that plain and simple.
You can be forgiven for all of these things if you quit doing them and repent. But you can't keep on doing them. Period.

1Cor 6:9; Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,
1Cor 6:10; nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.
1Cor 6:11; Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.

Fornicators - are you sleeping with your girlfriend, but you're not married? That's fornication.
Idolaters - Do you worship something, someone more than you love Jesus? That's idolatry.
Adulterers - Are you sleeping with someone else's spouse? Are you sleeping with someone else besides your spouse? That's adultery.
Effeminate - Do you act like a woman; do you dress like a woman?
Homosexuals - Are you sleeping with someone who is the same sex as yourself? That homosexuality.
Thieves - Are you stealing from people?
Drunkards - Do you get drunk frequently?
Swindlers - Do you take financial advantage of people? Do you con them, and give them useless things?

No one who is practicing these things will enter heaven. It doesn't matter if you believe in Jesus or not.
If you have done them, you can be forgiven. If you're doing them now, 'STOP' REPENT!! It's not too late.
You don't have to be perfect. But you cannot live a sinful lifestyle.

Gal 5:19; Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality,
Gal 5:20; idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions,
Gal 5:21; envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God

Some things on this second list and the same as the first list. sexual immorality (fornication, adultery, homosexuality) Idolatry, drunkenness.
But there are some other things listed here as well. Sorcery, this doesn't only mean practicing witchcraft, the word most commonly used for sorcery is ...

φαρμακεία
pharmakeia
far-mak-i'-ah
From G5332; medication (“pharmacy”), that is, (by extension) magic (literal or figurative): - sorcery, witchcraft.

This is where we get the word pharmacy. Now taking drugs for medical reasons is probably OK. But taking recreational mind-altering drugs is not.

Arguing, looking for trouble, causing disputes and strife between people. This is a pretty basic thing, how many of us have ever caused an argument or fight
because of something we've told people. Again, it doesn't matter if you believe in Jesus or not, if you're frequently doing these things, it can keep you out of heaven.
Verse 21 abovce says - Those who "practice" these things will not enter heaven. Again, you can be forgiven if you've done them. You can be forgiven if you're doing them now.
But you have to stop. This isn't an option, it isn't a debate, it's an absolute requirement. No excuses can be made.

Matt 5:19; "Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Matt 5:20; "For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.

Jesus says if you try to bypass the commandments, and teach other's to do so (like the Pharisees) you will not enter heaven. People say the Pharisees were legalistic, and they were, but not because they followed the commandments, it was because they didn't.

Matt 15:3; And He answered and said to them, "Why do you yourselves transgress the commandment of God for the sake of your tradition?
Matt 15:6; he is not to honor his father or his mother.' And by this you invalidated the word of God for the sake of your tradition.
Mark 7:5; The Pharisees and the scribes *asked Him, "Why do Your disciples not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat their bread with impure hands?"
Mark 7:8; "Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men."
Mark 7:9; He was also saying to them, "You are experts at setting aside the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition.
Mark 7:13; thus invalidating the word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that."
Col 2:8; See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ.

Jesus says unless you are more righteous than the Pharisees were, you will not enter heaven.

Matt 7:21; "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
Matt 7:22; "Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'
Matt 7:23; "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'

Jesus says, not everyone who believes in Jesus will enter heaven. That has to be one of the most sobering verses in the entire BIble.
For those who are practicing sin, iniquity, lawlessness, He is going to send them away, He is going to say, "Depart from me".

There is more. There are other verses I can't include here because this is getting to be a long post.
But the bottom line here is. You have to repent! You can't continue living a sinful lifestyle and expect to go to heaven.
If you stumble and mess up, you can be forgiven. There is love, mercy, grace and forgiveness. But you can't use these things as a license to sin.

Rom 6:1; What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase?
Rom 6:2; May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it?
Rom 6:12; Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its lusts,
Rom 6:13; and do not go on presenting the members of your body to sin as instruments of unrighteousness; but present yourselves to God as those alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God.
Rom 6:16; Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness?
Rom 6:17; But thanks be to God that though you were slaves of sin, you became obedient from the heart to that form of teaching to which you were committed,
Rom 6:18; and having been freed from sin, you became slaves of righteousness.

Peter says the same thing.

1Pet 4:1; Therefore, since Christ has suffered in the flesh, arm yourselves also with the same purpose, because he who has suffered in the flesh has ceased from sin,
1Pet 4:2; so as to live the rest of the time in the flesh no longer for the lusts of men, but for the will of God.
1Pet 4:3; For the time already past is sufficient for you to have carried out the desire of the Gentiles, having pursued a course of sensuality, lusts, drunkenness, carousing, drinking parties and abominable idolatries.
1Pet 4:4; In all this, they are surprised that you do not run with them into the same excesses of dissipation, and they malign you;

If you're a new Christian, there is grace. If you've known Jesus for a long time. It's time to change. The "time is already past sufficient for you". Your friends may make fun of you because you have quit
doing these things, but even so. You have to stop.

May Jesus fill us with his love and wisdom.

Knowing who Jesus is in your mind, is not the same thing as knowing who Jesus is in your heart. And a person can know Jesus in his heart without knowing who he is in his mind.

There are plenty of examples throughout the scripture That shows us of people who Knew Jesus in their hearts Comma Because their hearts were circumcised for God. But they did not know who Jesus was in their minds. So knowing who Jesus is isn't exactly having a knowledge of who Jesus is. But it's living Jesus in your heart.

My first example of this is Enoch. Certainly he had no knowledge of Jesus in his mind. Yet he lived Jesus in his heart because he loved God. And God took him it says.

Elijah is another one who did not know Jesus in his mind. But we also know that Elijah is with God the same as Moses. Otherwise they're willing to bend the Transfiguration with Jesus.

So you see it's not a matter of what we know in our minds it's a matter of where we are with our hearts.

And on top of that there's one other thing you can know Jesus in your mind top to bottom you can memorize the scripture, but having that vast knowledge of who Jesus is is not going to save you, unless your heart is circumcised.

 

[B-A-C]

No, if you have the Holy Spirit you are sealed by Him with salvation, and Hebrews 6 is referring to judaizers who had one foot in the old covenant and one in the new. The only people that will be in for a surprise, are those who adding their performance to the finished work of Jesus on the cross.

Heb 4:3-6
³ Now we who have believed enter that rest, just as God has said,
"So I declared on oath in my anger,'They shall never enter my rest.'"
And yet his works have been finished since the creation of the world.
⁴ For somewhere he has spoken about the seventh day in these words: "On the seventh day God rested from all his works."
⁵ And again in the passage above he says, "They shall never enter my rest."
⁶ Therefore since it still remains for some to enter that rest, and since those who formerly had the good news proclaimed to them did not go in because of their disobedience,

His work is finished, yours isn't.

 

[KingJ]

First and foremost, you have to believe in Jesus. Without Jesus, no one goes to heaven.
So, everything else here, depends on that first. This is an absolute must. No way around this one.

There have been plenty of discussion about what believing in Jesus means here on TalkJesus.
Does it simply mean I believe there was a guy named Jesus who walked around 2,000 years ago?
Or does it mean more, does it mean believing He is the Son of God, that He died and rose again. That He lived a sinless life.
Does it mean following all the teachings that He taught as best you can?

The Bible says doing some things will keep you out of heaven. It doesn't matter if you say you believe in Jesus or not.
If you're doing these things, you need to stop, repent, or you won't enter heaven.. it really is that plain and simple.
You can be forgiven for all of these things if you quit doing them and repent. But you can't keep on doing them. Period.

1Cor 6:9; Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,
1Cor 6:10; nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.
1Cor 6:11; Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.

Fornicators - are you sleeping with your girlfriend, but you're not married? That's fornication.
Idolaters - Do you worship something, someone more than you love Jesus? That's idolatry.
Adulterers - Are you sleeping with someone else's spouse? Are you sleeping with someone else besides your spouse? That's adultery.
Effeminate - Do you act like a woman; do you dress like a woman?
Homosexuals - Are you sleeping with someone who is the same sex as yourself? That homosexuality.
Thieves - Are you stealing from people?
Drunkards - Do you get drunk frequently?
Swindlers - Do you take financial advantage of people? Do you con them, and give them useless things?

No one who is practicing these things will enter heaven. It doesn't matter if you believe in Jesus or not.
If you have done them, you can be forgiven. If you're doing them now, 'STOP' REPENT!! It's not too late.
You don't have to be perfect. But you cannot live a sinful lifestyle.

Gal 5:19; Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality,
Gal 5:20; idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions,
Gal 5:21; envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God

Some things on this second list and the same as the first list. sexual immorality (fornication, adultery, homosexuality) Idolatry, drunkenness.
But there are some other things listed here as well. Sorcery, this doesn't only mean practicing witchcraft, the word most commonly used for sorcery is ...

φαρμακεία
pharmakeia
far-mak-i'-ah
From G5332; medication (“pharmacy”), that is, (by extension) magic (literal or figurative): - sorcery, witchcraft.

This is where we get the word pharmacy. Now taking drugs for medical reasons is probably OK. But taking recreational mind-altering drugs is not.

Arguing, looking for trouble, causing disputes and strife between people. This is a pretty basic thing, how many of us have ever caused an argument or fight
because of something we've told people. Again, it doesn't matter if you believe in Jesus or not, if you're frequently doing these things, it can keep you out of heaven.
Verse 21 abovce says - Those who "practice" these things will not enter heaven. Again, you can be forgiven if you've done them. You can be forgiven if you're doing them now.
But you have to stop. This isn't an option, it isn't a debate, it's an absolute requirement. No excuses can be made.

Matt 5:19; "Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Matt 5:20; "For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.

Jesus says if you try to bypass the commandments, and teach other's to do so (like the Pharisees) you will not enter heaven. People say the Pharisees were legalistic, and they were, but not because they followed the commandments, it was because they didn't.

Matt 15:3; And He answered and said to them, "Why do you yourselves transgress the commandment of God for the sake of your tradition?
Matt 15:6; he is not to honor his father or his mother.' And by this you invalidated the word of God for the sake of your tradition.
Mark 7:5; The Pharisees and the scribes *asked Him, "Why do Your disciples not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat their bread with impure hands?"
Mark 7:8; "Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men."
Mark 7:9; He was also saying to them, "You are experts at setting aside the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition.
Mark 7:13; thus invalidating the word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that."
Col 2:8; See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ.

Jesus says unless you are more righteous than the Pharisees were, you will not enter heaven.

Matt 7:21; "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
Matt 7:22; "Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'
Matt 7:23; "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'

Jesus says, not everyone who believes in Jesus will enter heaven. That has to be one of the most sobering verses in the entire BIble.
For those who are practicing sin, iniquity, lawlessness, He is going to send them away, He is going to say, "Depart from me".

There is more. There are other verses I can't include here because this is getting to be a long post.
But the bottom line here is. You have to repent! You can't continue living a sinful lifestyle and expect to go to heaven.
If you stumble and mess up, you can be forgiven. There is love, mercy, grace and forgiveness. But you can't use these things as a license to sin.

Rom 6:1; What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase?
Rom 6:2; May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it?
Rom 6:12; Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its lusts,
Rom 6:13; and do not go on presenting the members of your body to sin as instruments of unrighteousness; but present yourselves to God as those alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God.
Rom 6:16; Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness?
Rom 6:17; But thanks be to God that though you were slaves of sin, you became obedient from the heart to that form of teaching to which you were committed,
Rom 6:18; and having been freed from sin, you became slaves of righteousness.

Peter says the same thing.

1Pet 4:1; Therefore, since Christ has suffered in the flesh, arm yourselves also with the same purpose, because he who has suffered in the flesh has ceased from sin,
1Pet 4:2; so as to live the rest of the time in the flesh no longer for the lusts of men, but for the will of God.
1Pet 4:3; For the time already past is sufficient for you to have carried out the desire of the Gentiles, having pursued a course of sensuality, lusts, drunkenness, carousing, drinking parties and abominable idolatries.
1Pet 4:4; In all this, they are surprised that you do not run with them into the same excesses of dissipation, and they malign you;

If you're a new Christian, there is grace. If you've known Jesus for a long time. It's time to change. The "time is already past sufficient for you". Your friends may make fun of you because you have quit
doing these things, but even so. You have to stop.

Re-reading this OP, BAC you did well here. Very good stuff!

People always feel like they will go to heaven. But what you feel and what is reality can be very different. The bible is not blurry. Unrepentant sinners will not enter God's kingdom, fact.

 

[Peace Seeker]

Heb 4:3-6
³ Now we who have believed enter that rest, just as God has said,
"So I declared on oath in my anger,'They shall never enter my rest.'"
And yet his works have been finished since the creation of the world.
⁴ For somewhere he has spoken about the seventh day in these words: "On the seventh day God rested from all his works."
⁵ And again in the passage above he says, "They shall never enter my rest."
⁶ Therefore since it still remains for some to enter that rest, and since those who formerly had the good news proclaimed to them did not go in because of their disobedience,

His work is finished, yours isn't.

What work do I have to do that is unfinished?

 

[MedicBravo]

There are Catholics on here that believe that works are NEEDED to get to Heaven.
They cite the MOST absurd out-of-context verses and largely b/c some other ignorant person told them.

 

[Bill]

There are Catholics on here that believe that works are NEEDED to get to Heaven.
They cite the MOST absurd out-of-context verses and largely b/c some other ignorant person told them.

May Jesus fill us with his love and wisdom

I'm sure the same could be said for everyone on this website. That everyone has a little bit of crazy in them.

You know when the people were building the Tower of Babel they weren't sinning. And yet God still chose to confuse the languages to stop them from building the tower.

It isn't a sin to believe that you have to follow through with your faith by doing the work that Jesus commands of you. In fact you're following the command of Jesus.

Do you know Jesus did tell the apostles to preach the word to the ends of the Earth, and anyone who thinks that it is easy peasy to go preaching in countries that hate you and want to kill you, I can tell you that that is a lot of work.

I think the biggest problem that most people have with the term "works" is that they don't understand what the scripture means when it's being posted that way. Nor do you understand when Catholics use the term works what they mean by that. Yet many Protestants in their own denominations do the very same thing that the Catholics do. Yes indeed, there are Protestant hospitals out there and they do service for people that can't afford hospitalization. There are groups all around the world both Catholic and Protestant alike that do prison ministry, feed the hungry, help those that are in need, there is a list that is endless of the type of works that are being done.

The word works at least in the view of Christianity is not digging a hole out in your backyard. What it is is doing work for other people it is becoming the beacon of light for others. The scripture tells us not to hide the light under the basket but to put it up on a pedestal for the whole world to see. The light that we show is through the work that we do.

I can tell you right now without a doubt in my mind, that if you profess to be a Christian and you do nothing. But sit at home and do absolutely nothing with your faith, that God will reject you and you will not be able to go to heaven.

There are people with all sorts of handicaps in the world and they still go out and do things for other people. What is your excuse if you are doing nothing. If you are able-bodied person, and you can do things for other people what is the excuse for doing nothing. If you scream from the mountain tops that Jesus Christ is Lord and savior, at least you are doing something. But if you bury your head in the sand and do nothing then you are worthless.

 

[Rad]

There are Catholics on here that believe that works are NEEDED to get to Heaven.
They cite the MOST absurd out-of-context verses and largely b/c some other ignorant person told them.

I'm not sure if that post was directed at me but if it was, well firstly, i'm not a Catholic, i dont follow any man made denomination or sect, i am a Christian, someone who believes in and tries to follow the teachings of Christ, i have attended Methodist, Baptist, Protestant, Quaker and so called "Free" Churches in my journey of faith and have found much to disagree with, and some to appreciate, in them all, and secondly, i have noticed a trend in some participants on these forums that when they disagree with my interpretation of passages from Christs teaching they say, " youre taking them out of Context", so please ,give me your "context" for Christs teaching in the "Sheep and the Goats" Matthew 25 vs 31-45 and your "context" for Christs parable of " The good Samaritan", because i would be very interested to see just how you interpret them.

 

[Bill]

I'm not sure if that post was directed at me but if it was, well firstly, i'm not a Catholic, i dont follow any man made denomination or sect, i am a Christian, someone who believes in and tries to follow the teachings of Christ, i have attended Methodist, Baptist, Protestant, Quaker and so called "Free" Churches in my journey of faith and have found much to disagree with, and some to appreciate, in them all, and secondly, i have noticed a trend in some participants on these forums that when they disagree with my interpretation of passages from Christs teaching they say, " youre taking them out of Context", so please ,give me your "context" for Christs teaching in the "Sheep and the Goats" Matthew 25 vs 31-45 and your "context" for Christs parable of " The good Samaritan", because i would be very interested to see just how you interpret them.

May Jesus fill us with his love and wisdom

It's not directed at you. It's directed at myself and a couple others that are here. I'm probably the most vocal Catholic on this website.

But I don't hold anyone's views against me who have issues with the Catholics. Nor do I hold their views of Catholics against them either. Because I already know that all of the churches including yourself who may not be a member of a church directly but you're still a member of the church of all of us (if you understand what the word church actually means. "The collection of Christians" )

To me, we are all Brothers and Sisters in Christ

 

[Peace Seeker]

I can tell you right now without a doubt in my mind, that if you profess to be a Christian and you do nothing. But sit at home and do absolutely nothing with your faith, that God will reject you and you will not be able to go to heaven.

Okay HOW MUCH doing must I do, and how can you possibly know how much is "enough"? Listen to yourself when you say you have to work for God in order to be saved !​

Romans 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Martha ran herself ragged while Mary rested at Jesus' feet. Rest in the Lord and the power of His blood, not the powerlessness of your works.​

If all the rule following (works / obedience) and animal sacrifices under the old covenant that the Israelites had to do, day in and day out, for their entire lives, did nothing to achieve salvation for them, nor impressed God even a bit, how can your so-called obedience and works - minor by comparison - mean anything to God and do anything for your soul? God said your works are filthy rags in His eyes. You are calling Him a liar and trampling on the blood Jesus shed for you by saying His grace is not enough. Add works to grace and it is no longer grace.​

 

[KingJ]

I can tell you right now without a doubt in my mind, that if you profess to be a Christian and you do nothing. But sit at home and do absolutely nothing with your faith, that God will reject you and you will not be able to go to heaven.

I would say that if you are a Christian, it will be impossible for you to ever not be used. You can resist and do a lot less than you could, but there will be no such thing as 'nothing' or being rejected by God.

 

[Bill]

I would say that if you are a Christian, it will be impossible for you to ever not be used. You can resist and do a lot less than you could, but there will be no such thing as 'nothing' or being rejected by God.

May Jesus fill us with his love and wisdom.

Yet there is actually a false teaching out there that actually teaches you that "there is nothing that you can do".

They're used to be a really good preacher that was from India I actually like the guy for quite a while I can't think of his name off the top of my head. But he is now preaching the DONE teaching. And I know that
particular teaching is false. Even the author of the book called DONE, contradicts himself in his own book.

He states there is nothing that you can do, to receive Jesus. I know that's false already, because there's a number of things you have to do. You have to repent, and you have to accept Jesus as your lord and savior. But the DONE teaching doesn't teach that.

And those who are involved with the movement will tell you that they are Christians.
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As you know, to be Christian means to be active. Because to be a follower of Christ means to love. And love is an action word, you cannot love and be still at the same time. You cannot love and do nothing.

It is through love, or through being a child of God, that we reach out to help other people.

We clothe the naked. We feed the hungry. We visit those who are in jail, and we do many other things that the Holy Spirit leads us to do.

And it is following the Holy Spirit, that is following the will of God.

 

[Bill]

I can tell you right now without a doubt in my mind, that if you profess to be a Christian and you do nothing. But sit at home and do absolutely nothing with your faith, that God will reject you and you will not be able to go to heaven.



Romans 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

May Jesus fill us with his love and wisdom

Doesn't the scripture tell us to follow the will of God?

Like I said before to King J, To be Christian means to be active. You cannot be Christian and be unactive.

The scripture tells us, that in being Christian that we need to do things for others. And what I am trying to tell you about the term "works", it's Jesus working through us.

If you can't allow Jesus would be the Holy Spirit to work through us and every single time that you feel the call of the Holy Spirit to do something and you ignore it. You are refusing to follow the will of God.

Let us say the Holy Spirit draws you to pray, prayer is a beautiful thing and it is extremely powerful. But if the holy spirit is drawing you to pray for others and you don't do it you choose not to do it, are you doing the will of God or are you doing your own will.

Let us say that God tries to draw you To help others through Doing some kind of volunteer work. You feel the draw to do it, and it is within your means to do such things. But you choose not to do it anyways you ignore the call of the spirit..

Let us say that all you do is play games on the phone, where is your witnessing to the truth where is your witnessing to God?

The scripture tells us that we received the light of the world which is Jesus within us, Jesus even tells us that after we receive it we don't put that light under a bushel basket, which is the same as burying your head in the sand. But we put the light up for the whole world to see.

If you're going to claim to be Christian you need to follow the will of God within your heart, and that includes doing things for others and not hiding.

 

[Peace Seeker]

If we do works thinking it is necessary for salvation, our work cancels out God's grace. The Apostle Paul was very clear on that.

In the old covenant, working on the sabbath incurred the death penalty. Likewise in the new covenant of grace, where we have continual sabbath rest in Jesus' blood, working will also result in (spiritual) death.

Am I saying Christians shouldn't do good works? Of course not. What I am saying, is if someone is working as part of salvation, because he somehow doesn't think what Jesus accomplished for us is enough, i.e. that He saved us to the utmost, then all he has is works and no salvation.

Faith alone, in Christ alone, people! You are not saved by doing good works, nor by doing these things to maintain your salvation.
The Bible states plainly, “For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast” (Ephesians 2:8–9).

Salvation depends solely on what Christ has accomplished, not on anything you do or don't do.

 

[B-A-C]

Faith alone, in Christ alone, people! You are not saved by doing good works, nor by doing these things to maintain your salvation.

Jas 2:24 You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.

There is a verse that says NOT faith alone, can you show me a verse that says "faith alone"? Or are you making up this up
and adding "alone" in a verse where it doesn't exist?

Eph 2:10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.

 

[Bill]

If we do works thinking it is necessary for salvation, our work cancels out God's grace. The Apostle Paul was very clear on that.

In the old covenant, working on the sabbath incurred the death penalty. Likewise in the new covenant of grace, where we have continual sabbath rest in Jesus' blood, working will also result in (spiritual) death.

Am I saying Christians shouldn't do good works? Of course not. What I am saying, is if someone is working as part of salvation, because he somehow doesn't think what Jesus accomplished for us is enough, i.e. that He saved us to the utmost, then all he has is works and no salvation.

Faith alone, in Christ alone, people! You are not saved by doing good works, nor by doing these things to maintain your salvation.
The Bible states plainly, “For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast” (Ephesians 2:8–9).

Salvation depends solely on what Christ has accomplished, not on anything you do or don't do.

May Jesus fill us with his love and wisdom.

I think you have it wrong as far as works is concerned. Works isn't the salvation, what works is, is the Fulfillment of your Christian obligations. To see that you are Christian means that you're going to do things, it doesn't mean that you're going to bury your head in the sand. It means you're going to go out there and do something and let the light of Jesus shine before men.