The Witch of Endor's 'Samuel' was a Fallen Angel or even Satan himself!

[Rxlx]

1 SAMUEL CHAPTER 28 KJV​

Saul went to ask advice of the witch of Endor.
1; Then said the woman, Whom shall I bring up unto thee? And he said, Bring me up Samuel.
Saul should have known Samuel was in his grave and all his thoughts persished.
Also necromancy was condemned in Deuteronomy and Leviticus.

12; And when the woman saw 'Samuel', she cried with a loud voice: and the woman spake to Saul, saying, Why hast thou deceived me? for thou art Saul.
The woman surprised herself by conjuring up a real 'spirit' where previously she may have just pretended to speak with them.
The 'Samuel' was either Satan himself or one of his second gang of fallen angels.
As 'Samuel' knew about Saul failing to follow GOD's orders he may have been Satan.

13; And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what sawest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw gods ascending out of the earth.
If this verse is rendered true it is odd as the first gang are imprisoned in Earth and not allowed out until perhaps joining Satan for his Little Season.
If she did see 'gods' ascending they must have been Satan's Second Gang along for enjoyment and to add extra proof of the witch's ability.

14; And he said unto her, What form is he of? And she said, An old man cometh up; and he is covered with a mantle. And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground, and bowed himself.
Saul saw what he took to be the real Samuel ignoring that impossibility.

15; And Samuel said to Saul, Why hast thou disquieted me, to bring me up? And Saul answered, I am sore distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God is departed from me, and answereth me no more, neither by prophets, nor by dreams: therefore I have called thee, that thou mayest make known unto me what I shall do.
Saul told 'Samuel' he was worried about battling the Philistines and being abandoned by GOD.
Saul had been told to kill all the pagan Amelekites but hadn't done so.

16; Then said Samuel, Wherefore then dost thou ask of me, seeing the Lord is departed from thee, and is become thine enemy?
GOD had abandoned Saul for his disobedience.
'Samuel' was well aware of this from eavesdropping as an invisible spirit.

17; And the Lord hath done to him, as he spake by me: for the Lord hath rent the kingdom out of thine hand, and given it to thy neighbour, even to David:

18; Because thou obeyedst not the voice of the Lord, nor executedst his fierce wrath upon Amalek, therefore hath the Lord done this thing unto thee this day.

19; Moreover the Lord will also deliver Israel with thee into the hand of the Philistines: and to morrow shalt thou and thy sons be with me: the Lord also shall deliver the host of Israel into the hand of the Philistines.
'Samuel' knew Saul and his sons would be killed.

20; Then Saul fell straightway all along on the earth, and was sore afraid, because of the words of Samuel:
............
IN UK there are quite a few 'National Spiritualists' churches but I've not ventured into one.
The big pub right beside the Anglican church on the main street of my town has regular spiritualist nights but I give the place a wide berth by day let alone think of going in at night. Though I suppose I ought to try discover if the pub meeting has a biggere congregation than the dying church!

 

[Rxlx]

The Word to us today to get Revelation on is who and what the "Synagogue of Satan" is and who and what the "son of perdition" is.

What is that to do with my post?

 

[joestue]

The only argument in my mind that it wasnt the real samuel is because samuel had previously told saul that the Lord would never speak to him again. Thus it could not be samuel, prophesying to saul that he would lose the war.

However, the story is 3000 years old, the language has changed at least 3 times, so we need to avoid a single information point to make a doctrine.

Keep in mind there would not be laws against communicating with the dead...if it were not possible.

 

[Rxlx]

I'll believe the Bible.

 

[joestue]

I'll believe the Bible.

It heavily suggests it was really samuel, spiruts ans ghosts dont wear a prophets mantle..

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

1 SAMUEL CHAPTER 28 KJV​

Saul went to ask advice of the witch of Endor.
1; Then said the woman, Whom shall I bring up unto thee? And he said, Bring me up Samuel.
Saul should have known Samuel was in his grave and all his thoughts persished.
Also necromancy was condemned in Deuteronomy and Leviticus.

12; And when the woman saw 'Samuel', she cried with a loud voice: and the woman spake to Saul, saying, Why hast thou deceived me? for thou art Saul.
The woman surprised herself by conjuring up a real 'spirit' where previously she may have just pretended to speak with them.
The 'Samuel' was either Satan himself or one of his second gang of fallen angels.
As 'Samuel' knew about Saul failing to follow GOD's orders he may have been Satan.

13; And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what sawest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw gods ascending out of the earth.
If this verse is rendered true it is odd as the first gang are imprisoned in Earth and not allowed out until perhaps joining Satan for his Little Season.
If she did see 'gods' ascending they must have been Satan's Second Gang along for enjoyment and to add extra proof of the witch's ability.

14; And he said unto her, What form is he of? And she said, An old man cometh up; and he is covered with a mantle. And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground, and bowed himself.
Saul saw what he took to be the real Samuel ignoring that impossibility.

15; And Samuel said to Saul, Why hast thou disquieted me, to bring me up? And Saul answered, I am sore distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God is departed from me, and answereth me no more, neither by prophets, nor by dreams: therefore I have called thee, that thou mayest make known unto me what I shall do.
Saul told 'Samuel' he was worried about battling the Philistines and being abandoned by GOD.
Saul had been told to kill all the pagan Amelekites but hadn't done so.

16; Then said Samuel, Wherefore then dost thou ask of me, seeing the Lord is departed from thee, and is become thine enemy?
GOD had abandoned Saul for his disobedience.
'Samuel' was well aware of this from eavesdropping as an invisible spirit.

17; And the Lord hath done to him, as he spake by me: for the Lord hath rent the kingdom out of thine hand, and given it to thy neighbour, even to David:

18; Because thou obeyedst not the voice of the Lord, nor executedst his fierce wrath upon Amalek, therefore hath the Lord done this thing unto thee this day.

19; Moreover the Lord will also deliver Israel with thee into the hand of the Philistines: and to morrow shalt thou and thy sons be with me: the Lord also shall deliver the host of Israel into the hand of the Philistines.
'Samuel' knew Saul and his sons would be killed.

20; Then Saul fell straightway all along on the earth, and was sore afraid, because of the words of Samuel:
............
IN UK there are quite a few 'National Spiritualists' churches but I've not ventured into one.
The big pub right beside the Anglican church on the main street of my town has regular spiritualist nights but I give the place a wide berth by day let alone think of going in at night. Though I suppose I ought to try discover if the pub meeting has a biggere congregation than the dying church!

The bible did not say she was a fallen angel or Satan himself...The bible said she was a witch...Stop lying.

 

[otter_tree]

The bible did not say she was a fallen angel or Satan himself...The bible said she was a witch...Stop lying.

Maybe read the post again?
They didn't say the witch was a fallen angel or Satan.
Read the excerpt here:
"The 'Samuel' was either Satan himself or one of his second gang of fallen angels."

 

[Rxlx]

The bible did not say she was a fallen angel or Satan himself...The bible said she was a witch...Stop lying.

I did not say the witch was a fallen angel.
I clearly said 'the apparition' she called up was a fallen angels.
I'm a Christian who believes the Bible.

 

[Rxlx]

Maybe read the post again?
They didn't say the witch was a fallen angel or Satan.
Read the excerpt here:
"The 'Samuel' was either Satan himself or one of his second gang of fallen angels."

Thanks, otter tree.

 

[Rxlx]

Good, Brother in Christ. This is a much better reply than your "bossy" spirit which answered this comment where I have to refrain from replying to you. Which is hatred and not Love in the holy Spirit. I assume it is because you "think" you have a point. So let me assist you, Brother in Christ.

Because it is the last days the Real "Synagogue of Satan and son of perdition" is revealed. These are Scriptural Words from God which all should get Revelation on. Where yours are not Scriptural and needs no "second glance" even. As is seen in the quote I give now. You totally missed the Real Synagogue of Satan for yours you think it is. Because you are "thinking" and not Living from Revelation which is your "Abba Father/Daddy" telling you what He meant with His Word.

As I have said previously I am a sister not a brother - that is why I seem to be uniquely gifted.
And keep your nonsensical prattling to yourself.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

Maybe read the post again?
They didn't say the witch was a fallen angel or Satan.
Read the excerpt here:
"The 'Samuel' was either Satan himself or one of his second gang of fallen angels."

Thank you for correction...My cognition continues to decline. I misunderstood her there.

 

[Brad Huber]

Thank you for correction...My cognition continues to decline. I misunderstood her there.

At least you are willing to admit it. Farrrrr to many people would reject any correction coming their way even if they know that they are wrong.

 

[Rxlx]

The Word to us today to get Revelation on is who and what the "Synagogue of Satan" is and who and what the "son of perdition" is.

Synagogue of Satan in Pergamos is where Simon, the sorcerer - a person who claims or is believed to have magic powers; a wizard - turned away by Peter in Acts 8:9-18, went to establish his false religion which is today's Catholic church.

 

[Rxlx]

Simon wanted to make money by claiming to give people the Holy Spirit in exchange for money - very Catholic? Like their expensive indulgencies which they claimed could get people into heaven from suffering in purgatory. Both lies!
Rev 3:9 mention of Syngogue of Satan seems to say the Pergamos congregation will have to learn the truth.
Wikipedia says this: Citing the Book of Revelation 2:12-13 in the Christian Bible, many scholars have argued that the Pergamon Altar is the "Seat of Satan" mentioned by John the Apostle in his letter to the church at Pergamon. The altar may have been used for false worship but the phrase 'Seat of Satan' more suits the entire city or the temple itself as logically the temple is where false worship would take place.

 

[Rxlx]

I never said you are a "brother". I know you are a female and should be a "sister" according to humanity. But I gave you the Word on your Restoration as a "Brother in Jesus". And I used it too. So you have no Revelation on who you became when you are born of God through His Word of Jesus?
Gal. 3: 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Being stubborn now excludes you of most of Scripture. Like these Great Words only given to the "Brothers" and not to you.

Gal. 4:
4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.

You excluding yourself to being "Led by the Spirit".

Rom. 8:
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

And finally you excluded yourself from the Great Life in the New Jerusalem. You are "unbelieving". After you heard the Truth of your Creation in Jesus to be a Son of God you rejected it and will be outside where the "hell" awaits you. As you already experience now. And from where the Living God, Jehovah, wants to save you from in giving you birth as His Son in Jesus. Being "Brother in Christ".

Rev. 21:
7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.


Yep. You previously mentioned that you "got a greater mind than men". But your "god" which is your mind is Lucifer. He is the "god of this world". Which you nicely represents in here. And from where you need to be saved now.

Acts 2:
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

Another empty accusation from your mind which is Lucifer. I did previously tell you to do Rebuking and Judgment and not the accusations of your mind of Lucifer. Where you act in his evil spirit of "being offended" by the Truth God spoke from me as His Temple.

I don't bow before your mind and its knowledge you entered there in being "god of this world". I bow before the Word of God in Jesus. Thus the Spirit of God in which I Live is in Wisdom and far above the foolishness of your "clever mind" you are depending on in your arguing in hatred with all the "men" in here. In "thinking" you are "superior" to them because of a "great IQ" God gave you. Yet they live in another function. To be provider and father and head of your family. Which you obviously do not accept. Thus your marriage life is a disaster.

1 Peter 3:
1 Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives;
2 While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear.
3 Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;
4 But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.
5 For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands:
6 Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement.

And now you have to bow before the laws of this forum. Which clearly states that we are Brothers in Christ and I should not keep my "nonsensical stuff" to myself but speak it out. Just as God our Head in here said it too.

1 Cor. 14: 26 How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.

Seems you have a huge problem with laws God gave humans to live by? Where you were included. And thus in your hatred to Him who gave this you are now fighting those who are Children of God and obey Him?

So come again? Can I speak to your "sensical stuff" in a Rebuke to restore you or are you admitting defeat in being the devil and running now? Where you reject being Obedient to God to "humble" yourself under His Truth. Because He wants to lift you up.

James 4:
7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.
9 Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness.
10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

Because this fake authority of you of the devil in "commanding everyone" is a lie. You did try it with me and ran away. Where you commanded me not to speak to you. Now it is the second time the devil will be running. Because it seems you can not say "sorry" and bow before the Truth in Jesus. Just because it is spoken through men. Yes "foolish men" will Judge your IQ.

1 Cor. 1:
24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.

Once agan and once again you show you can't understand English or the Bible!

 

[Rxlx]

So come again? Can I speak to your "sensical stuff" in a Rebuke to restore you or are you admitting defeat in being the devil and running now? Where you reject being Obedient to God to "humble" yourself under His Truth. Because He wants to lift you up.
Because this fake authority of you of the devil in "commanding everyone" is a lie. You did try it with me and ran away. Where you commanded me not to speak to you. Now it is the second time the devil will be running. Because it seems you can not say "sorry" and bow before the Truth in Jesus. Just because it is spoken through men. Yes "foolish men" will Judge your IQ.

My Bible says I can judge and rebuke and reprove so if somelike yourself needs rebuking then I can judge you for not knowing the Bible.
This is the last time I shall reply to you as I cannot abide idiots!

 

[B-A-C]

1Chron 10:13; So Saul died for his trespass which he committed against the LORD, because of the word of the LORD which he did not keep; and also because he asked counsel of a medium, making inquiry of it,
1Chron 10:14; and did not inquire of the LORD. Therefore He killed him and turned the kingdom to David the son of Jesse.

1Sam 28:15; Then Samuel said to Saul, "Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?" And Saul answered, "I am greatly distressed; for the Philistines are waging war against me, and God has departed from me and no longer answers me, either through prophets or by dreams; therefore I have called you, that you may make known to me what I should do."
1Sam 28:16; Samuel said, "Why then do you ask me, since the LORD has departed from you and has become your adversary?
1Sam 28:17; "The LORD has done accordingly as He spoke through me; for the LORD has torn the kingdom out of your hand and given it to your neighbor, to David.
1Sam 28:18; "As you did not obey the LORD and did not execute His fierce wrath on Amalek, so the LORD has done this thing to you this day.
1Sam 28:19; "Moreover the LORD will also give over Israel along with you into the hands of the Philistines, therefore tomorrow you and your sons will be with me. Indeed the LORD will give over the army of Israel into the hands of the Philistines!"

A few points here.
1 Chron 10:14 says God killed Saul. The story of Saul's death is here. It would seem that God caused these circumstances to happen to Saul.

1Sam 31:3; The battle went heavily against Saul, and the archers hit him; and he was badly wounded by the archers.
1Sam 31:4; Then Saul said to his armor bearer, "Draw your sword and pierce me through with it, otherwise these uncircumcised will come and pierce me through and make sport of me." But his armor bearer would not, for he was greatly afraid. So Saul took his sword and fell on it.
1Sam 31:5; When his armor bearer saw that Saul was dead, he also fell on his sword and died with him.
1Sam 31:6; Thus Saul died with his three sons, his armor bearer, and all his men on that day together.

But it would seem that Samuels prophesy came true. Unlikely a demon or fallen angel would have told the truth here.
Also the Lord "departed" from Saul and became his adversary. God doesn't always stay with everyone no matter what.
Also see...

Jdgs 16:20 She said, "The Philistines are upon you, Samson!" And he awoke from his sleep and said, "I will go out as at other times and shake myself free." But he did not know that the LORD had departed from him.

Did God arbitrarily leave Saul just because He didn't like him? No, Saul went against God on two things. First he went a medium, a witch, fortune-teller, whatever you want to call her. The other big thing Saul did (or in this case didn't do) was he did not totally destroy the Amalek.
(1Sam28:18)

This was his first commission and priority from God.

1Sam 15:1; Then Samuel said to Saul, "The LORD sent me to anoint you as king over His people, over Israel; now therefore, listen to the words of the LORD.
1Sam 15:2; "Thus says the LORD of hosts, 'I will punish Amalek for what he did to Israel, how he set himself against him on the way while he was coming up from Egypt.
1Sam 15:3; 'Now go and strike Amalek and utterly destroy all that he has, and do not spare him; but put to death both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.'"

God told Saul to kill all of the them, men, women, children, and even the babies and animals. But Saul didn't obey God is this.

1Sam 15:9; But Saul and the people spared Agag and the best of the sheep, the oxen, the fatlings, the lambs, and all that was good, and were not willing to destroy them utterly; but everything despised and worthless, that they utterly destroyed.
1Sam 15:10; Then the word of the LORD came to Samuel, saying,
1Sam 15:11; "I regret that I have made Saul king, for he has turned back from following Me and has not carried out My commands." And Samuel was distressed and cried out to the LORD all night.

People talk about God knowing the future, and doing ot not doing something because He knows the outcome. Perhaps this is true, but in this case God was sorry that He made Saul king, because Saul disobeyed Him.

This is similar to Genesis 6 in the time of Noah.

Gen 6:5; Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
Gen 6:6; The LORD was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart.
Gen 6:7; The LORD said, "I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the land, from man to animals to creeping things and to birds of the sky; for I am sorry that I have made them.

God was sorry he made mankind, and He kills off the entire population of humans (except for those in the Ark).

 

[joestue]

1Sam 28:16; Samuel said, "Why then do you ask me, since the LORD has departed from you and has become your adversary?
(......)

But it would seem that Samuels prophesy came true. Unlikely a demon or fallen angel would have told the truth here.

Getting back to the topic of this thread.

We need to step away from the rigid idea that the books of the OT were supernaturally written by the attributed author. Otherwise Samuel would have supernaturally written a story about himself and saul, before he died.

So anyhow taking the ESV translation of the hebrew (the hebrew being a translation of the original oral history which was paleohebrew at the time)

We see several points in the ESV;

1, the medium freaks out.. not from seeing samuel, but discovering it is saul who inquired of her, Saul who was supposes to kill her for being a medium.

2, saul recognizes it is samuel.

3, the medium describes him as an old man wearing a mantle. Human spirits are not in possession of anything after death unless God gives them it. (I have my own experience with this)

4, the text, which is supposed to be 100% legit, says in verse 16 that samuel spoke.

I have friends who can read hebrew. The OT is full of very carefully written stories. Listen to the BEMA podcasts and they will show you hundreds of cleverly written stories.

If it was not samuel: verse 16 would read "the spirit spoke to saul". And "saul, believing it was samuel, feared the message".

The reader would then be left to interpret was it really samuel, or was saul deceived by a lie, and died as a result

 

[Rxlx]

Lots of Bible readers and preachers are pretty dumb.

I've read some say it really was Samuel!

 

[joestue]

Lots of Bible readers and preachers are pretty dumb.

I've read some say it really was Samuel!

Its what the text plainly said. Did you even read my comment?