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The whole point of Jesus Christ was and is to reverse the curse of death Adam brought into the Earth

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I wouldn't say it was the only reason.

John 18:37; Therefore Pilate said to Him, "So You are a king?" Jesus answered, "You say correctly that I am a king. For this I have been born, and for this I have come into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth hears My voice."

He also came to be an example of how to live.

2Cor 5:15; and He died for all, so that they who live might no longer live for themselves, but for Him who died and rose again on their behalf.
Gal 2:19; "For through the Law I died to the Law, so that I might live to God.
1Pet 2:24; and He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross, so that we might die to sin and live to righteousness; for by His wounds you were healed.
1Jn 4:9; By this the love of God was manifested in us, that God has sent His only begotten Son into the world so that we might live through Him.
 
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Ezekiel 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; the soul of the father as well as the soul of the son is mine: the soul who sins shall die.
Adam (and Eve) brought spiritual death upon all human kind not physical death.
Genesis 2:9 And out of the ground the LORD God made to spring up every tree that is pleasant to the sight and good for food. The tree of life was in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
It was the casting out from Eden and being barred from eating the fruit of the tree of life that meant that these two (and their offspring) would eventually die not just bodily, but their souls could no longer be with God.
I believe that Adam and Eve's fall not only alienated them from God (and hence the need for restoration) but this also empowered satan and his lot to rule the world and create false religions galore.

Romans 6:21 But what fruit were you getting at that time from the things of which you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death.
22 But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the fruit you get leads to sanctification and its end, eternal life.
23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
 
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I wouldn't say it was the only reason.

John 18:37; Therefore Pilate said to Him, "So You are a king?" Jesus answered, "You say correctly that I am a king. For this I have been born, and for this I have come into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth hears My voice."

He also came to be an example of how to live.

2Cor 5:15; and He died for all, so that they who live might no longer live for themselves, but for Him who died and rose again on their behalf.
Gal 2:19; "For through the Law I died to the Law, so that I might live to God.
1Pet 2:24; and He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross, so that we might die to sin and live to righteousness; for by His wounds you were healed.
1Jn 4:9; By this the love of God was manifested in us, that God has sent His only begotten Son into the world so that we might live through Him.
Adam died spirit soul and body -
Jesus restores "spirit soul and body" - I Thess 5:23 - - IF you're not "sowing to the flesh" - Rom 8:13

Yes, and "Those that follow me shall not walk in darkness, but have the Light of Life" - John 8:12.
Thus, if the Light of Life is only after you die physically, then you can only now walk in darkness.
Hence, there is NO - "Thy kingdom come thy will be done on Earth AS IT IS IN HEAVEN" -

Any death in your concept of Heaven?
 
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Ezekiel 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; the soul of the father as well as the soul of the son is mine: the soul who sins shall die.
Adam (and Eve) brought spiritual death upon all human kind not physical death.
Genesis 2:9 And out of the ground the LORD God made to spring up every tree that is pleasant to the sight and good for food. The tree of life was in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
It was the casting out from Eden and being barred from eating the fruit of the tree of life that meant that these two (and their offspring) would eventually die not just bodily, but their souls could no longer be with God.
I believe that Adam and Eve's fall not only alienated them from God (and hence the need for restoration) but this also empowered satan and his lot to rule the world and create false religions galore.

Romans 6:21 But what fruit were you getting at that time from the things of which you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death.
22 But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the fruit you get leads to sanctification and its end, eternal life.
23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
What a great gift that dwells inside you.
Time to unwrap it.
Christians up to now are still dying - "for the wages of sin is DEATH".
 
Loyal
Thus, if the Light of Life is only after you die physically, then you can only now walk in darkness.
Hence, there is NO - "Thy kingdom come thy will be done on Earth AS IT IS IN HEAVEN" -

Any death in your concept of Heaven?
You are mixing a couple of different things here. Yes the kingdom of heaven in inside us.
But it's also a physical place, with physical dimensions.

Also the kingdom of heaven has come inside us Christians who are salt and light, (the light of life as you put it)
But the kingdom of heaven hasn't entirely come to earth yet, at least not in this age.
There is still death. Not everything that is done on the Earth now is God's will.

When Jesus reigns in the millennial reign, a bigger part of the kingdom of God will come, but even after this there will still be some rebellion.
When the New Jerusalem comes down, an even bigger part will come.
Up until that point, there will still be death on the earth. Physical death for all.
Spiritual death for unbelievers.
 
Loyal
There are some who believe the Lake of Fire is in heaven. I don't necessarily agree, but...

Rev 14:9; Then another angel, a third one, followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand,
Rev 14:10; he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.
Rev 14:11; And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.

I don't know where the angels and the lamb physically are in the context of this verse, it could be heaven, but no matter where it is... people will face the second death (the lake of fire).
Is Jesus and the angels in the kingdom of heaven?
 
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"The whole point of Jesus Christ was and is to reverse the curse of death Adam brought into the Earth"

I don't believe the Bible teaches that. But i do believe man does.
 
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You are mixing a couple of different things here. Yes the kingdom of heaven in inside us.
But it's also a physical place, with physical dimensions.

Also the kingdom of heaven has come inside us Christians who are salt and light, (the light of life as you put it)
But the kingdom of heaven hasn't entirely come to earth yet, at least not in this age.
There is still death. Not everything that is done on the Earth now is God's will.

When Jesus reigns in the millennial reign, a bigger part of the kingdom of God will come, but even after this there will still be some rebellion.
When the New Jerusalem comes down, an even bigger part will come.
Up until that point, there will still be death on the earth. Physical death for all.
Spiritual death for unbelievers.
"The whole point of Jesus Christ was and is to reverse the curse of death Adam brought into the Earth"

I don't believe the Bible teaches that. But i do believe man does.
Which is why you can't elaborate on why Jesus was the Last Adam.
Might as well just throw out the whole New Testament to make you comfortable.
 
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There are some who believe the Lake of Fire is in heaven. I don't necessarily agree, but...

Rev 14:9; Then another angel, a third one, followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand,
Rev 14:10; he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.
Rev 14:11; And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.

I don't know where the angels and the lamb physically are in the context of this verse, it could be heaven, but no matter where it is... people will face the second death (the lake of fire).
Is Jesus and the angels in the kingdom of heaven?
No, God is the Lake of Fire, where all are purged and refined until "God is All in All" - I Cor 15:28
 
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You are mixing a couple of different things here. Yes the kingdom of heaven in inside us.
But it's also a physical place, with physical dimensions.

Also the kingdom of heaven has come inside us Christians who are salt and light, (the light of life as you put it)
But the kingdom of heaven hasn't entirely come to earth yet, at least not in this age.
There is still death. Not everything that is done on the Earth now is God's will.

When Jesus reigns in the millennial reign, a bigger part of the kingdom of God will come, but even after this there will still be some rebellion.
When the New Jerusalem comes down, an even bigger part will come.
Up until that point, there will still be death on the earth. Physical death for all.
Spiritual death for unbelievers.
Hmm, 'physical death for everyone' - give me JUST ONE scripture for that.
And before you run to Hebrews 9:27, make sure to read verse 28.

"Spiritual Death" - another phrase christian's have to add to scripture. Where is that again?
 
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Yes, he has given us victory over death, over sin, and over the devil. As if that isnt enough, he considers us holy and sanctified as Adam was in the beginning. And shock , horror, oh the ignominy , we no longer need to cover ourselves with leaves. So stop associating nudity with sex and lust, its getting rather old. He also gave us the gift of salvation, hope, the holy spirit and a personal one on one relationship. What a mighty and loving God he is! He could easily have given up on us and destroyed us the moment Adam and Eve sinned. He did state he was sorry he even created us, but he persisted to this day.
 
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"Spiritual Death" - another phrase christian's have to add to scripture. Where is that again?
Ezekiel 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; the soul of the father as well as the soul of the son is mine: the soul who sins shall die.
18:20 The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself. [here God is not talking about our bodies]

Matthew 10:28 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
Hell > gehenna (or Ge-Hinnom), a valley of Jerusalem, used (figuratively) as a name for the place (or state) of everlasting punishment:

Rev 20:14 Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.
15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
 
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